Is a Constitutional Crisis looming? (Poll)

[kyzr]

A jury of his peers did. That’s the way the system works.

The "system" is still working, we'll revisit these felonies AFTER the appeals are finished.

 

[candycorn]

One lady on with George Stephanopolous this morning had a very concerning scenario.

Say that Biden wins a very close election in November.

Then say that Trump's 34 count conviction gets overturned soon after. That makes Biden's win illegitimate due to obvious election interference.

So what happens? Or, what should happen?

I think that the USSC needs to step in and review the 34 felony counts and either confirm, or overturn them before the election. As one GOP lawyer said, the 34 counts could be affected by the presidential immunity decision.

It doesn’t make Biden’s upcoming win illegitimate. Trump was found guilty...because he is guilty.

 

[candycorn]

You guys were the ones who promised Hope and Change, remember? We didn't get either one.

Yep. You guys are hopeless and refuse to change with the times. So you get left behind.

 

[kyzr]

They were listed for the defense and prosecutors in February. Trump is lying to you. I gave you the link of the transcript. Did you not a read single page?

The threshold for the predicate crimes is intent only. They need not be charges. Trump and his team went over this in February. They knew it coming into the trial. Trump is lying to you.

Trump got due process for the crime of falsifying business records in the first degree. A felony.
No due process is required for the predicate crimes as was discussed in February with Trump's team.

The predicate crimes only require intent. They are listed in page 12 of the link I provided above that you didn't read.

So she wouldn't tell the country Trump fucked a porn star while his wife was home with his newborn.

Except falsifying business records in the first degree.

Merchan has to follow precedent. He can't create or change laws, he only follows them.

The precedents were addressed pretrial with Trump team. Trump's team agreed with them. That means there is no grounds for appeal.

Below is the precedent discussed with Trump's team that his lawyers agreed with.
"We...reject defendant's contention that a separate crime automatically becomes a material element of falsifying business records in the first degree whenever the People rely on the “intent to conceal” prong of that statute on the theory that concealment, as opposed to an intent to commit another crime or aid in the commission thereof, presupposes a prior completed crime. Read as a whole, it is clear that falsifying business records in the second degree is elevated to a first-degree offense on the basis of an enhanced intent requirement—“an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof”—not any additional actus reus element"

You can keep saying that "thought crimes" aka "intent" matters; the 6th Amendment disagrees.

We'll all find out after the appeals process plays out.

 

[john doe 101]

Dumbass. Read this if you can. It proves I'm right and you're wrong.

Bragg and the Jackson Pollock School of Prosecution: Why the Trump Trial Could End With a Hung Jury

Below is my column in the Hill on the approaching closing arguments in the Trump trial. Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg appears to be launching his own school of abstract legal work in the …

jonathanturley.org

You are wrong.

 

[Catsnmeters]

You can keep saying that thought crimes aka "intent" matters; the 6th Amendment disagrees.

The 6th applies to charged crimes.

Trump was not charged with the predicate crimes.

He was "charged" with falsifying business records for which he had due process IAW with the 6th amendment.

We'll all find out after the appeals process plays out.

Of course we will and I will accept whatever the appeals courts says.

I simply do not see a grounds for appeal.

 

[HeyNorm]

Sure their was.

The Steele dossier was it's culmination.

Culminating in fraud. Lol

 

[konradv]

The "system" is still working, we'll revisit these felonies AFTER the appeals are finished.

No grounds I’m aware of, but I’m sure his crack team will come up with something ludicrous.

#LOCKHIMUP

 

[Catsnmeters]

Culminating in fraud. Lol

Some were wrong.

Did you have a point?

 

[surada]

Trump predicted one, but...

What if you People-of-the-Cult took Trump at his own words?





Trump once said a president under felony indictment would grind the government to a halt and create a constitutional crisis

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/03/politics/kfile-trump-president-indictment-halt-government/index.html

“We could very well have a sitting president under felony indictment and ultimately a criminal trial,” Trump said during a November 5, 2016, campaign rally in Reno, Nevada, reviewed by CNN’s KFile. “It would grind government to a halt.”

“If she were to win, it would create an unprecedented Constitutional crisis that would cripple the operations of our government,” he said. “She is likely to be under investigation for many years, and also it will probably end up – in my opinion – in a criminal trial. I mean, you take a look. Who knows? But it certainly looks that way.”

“She has no right to be running, you know that,” Trump said. “No right.”

Trump added at a November 5, 2016, rally in Denver that as “the prime suspect in a far-reaching criminal investigation,” Clinton’s controversies would make it “virtually impossible for her to govern.”

OMG. He's so two-faced.

 

[eagle1462010]

The 6th applies to charged crimes.

Trump was not charged with the predicate crimes.

He was "charged" with falsifying business records for which he had due process IAW with the 6th amendment.


Of course we will and I will accept whatever the appeals courts says.

I simply do not see a grounds for appeal.

Which were misdomeaner charges with expired statutes.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Which were misdomeaner charges with expired statutes.

He wasn't charged with those crimes.

 

[Invisibleflash]

One lady on with George Stephanopolous this morning had a very concerning scenario.

Say that Biden wins a very close election in November.

Then say that Trump's 34 count conviction gets overturned soon after. That makes Biden's win illegitimate due to obvious election interference.

So what happens? Or, what should happen?

I think that the USSC needs to step in and review the 34 felony counts and either confirm, or overturn them before the election. As one GOP lawyer said, the 34 counts could be affected by the presidential immunity decision.

Dunno, but guess nothing will happen.

Dems won't give up power. Reps have no power, no organization, no leaders and no funding to force things. Most important...dems own the military and would happily massacre reps with them.

Bub...harken back to the Mondale era. He carried MN and DC, that is it. Now see what states the commie dems carry. The citizens aka 'the vote' were our last line of defense, once the government, courts and military have failed us. You know, in the last 12 presidential elections, a rep has NEVER won DC. A rep has never got more than 16.51% of the vote in DC. If you go back 60 years, then the most a rep has got was 21.56%. Recent presidential races are in the 4% - 7% area for the rep candidate. Does that tell you anything?

Here is the record for how D.C. voted in presidential elections over the last 60 years from Wikipedia:

Goldwater 14.5% 1964

Nixon 18.8%

Nixon 21.56%

Ford 16.51%

Reagan 13.3%

Reagan 13.73%

Bush (G.W). 14.3%

Bush (G.W). 9.1%

Dole 9.34%

Bush (G.H). 8.95%

Bush (G.H). 14.3%

McCain 6.53%

Romney 7.28%

Trump 4.09%

Trump 5.4% 2020

wiki/United_States_presidential_elections_in_the_District_of_Columbia

Better start coming up with a 'Plan B' to save something of America. Reps have no hope or plan to save America. No god/s to save us, blissninnys. Praying harder won't fix this. It is all lies that are used to control you and give you hope. Heaven and hell is what humans make it to be right here on earth.

Personally, I don't believe America can be saved...it has gone past the point of no return. But I'm no genius, I can only outline some of the problems. If you disagree, what do you base America's salvation on? Hopium?

 

[Delldude]

I think the trial on if Trump sold top secrets to our enemies should happen before the election.

You have to stop believing the FBI leaks that were found to be coming out of one of their SCIF facilities by FBI from their own internal security people.

 

[kyzr]

The 6th applies to charged crimes.
Trump was not charged with the predicate crimes.
He was "charged" with falsifying business records for which he had due process IAW with the 6th amendment.
Of course we will and I will accept whatever the appeals courts says.
I simply do not see a grounds for appeal.

So did you agree or disagree with the appeals court decision that said that CO did not follow "due process" by keeping Trump off the CO ballot for "insurrection"????

 

[kyzr]

No grounds I’m aware of, but I’m sure his crack team will come up with something ludicrous.

Turley outlines "Four Compelling Problems" with the trial & verdict.

Donald Trump trial's four "compelling problems" outlined by legal analyst

Jonathan Turley wrote an opinion article on Saturday about the judge, charges, evidence and instructions amid the former president's criminal hush money trial.

www.newsweek.com

Donald Trump Trial's Four 'Compelling Problems' Outlined by Legal Analyst​

 

[Catsnmeters]

So did you agree or disagree with the appeals court decision that said that CO did not follow "due process" by keeping Trump off the CO ballot for "insurrection"????

I can't comment on that decision as I am not familiar with the justification for the ruling.

That said, in my opinion, regardless of the reason, I support the ultimate decision.

Nothing in the constitution maintains that a perdon is illegible to run for office based on charges alone. Charges are not proof of malfeasance.

If Trump is convicted of a crime that falls within the wording of the 14th, then I will agree, he can be taken off the ballot.

 

[kyzr]

Dunno, but guess nothing will happen. Dems won't give up power. Reps have no power, no organization, no leaders and no funding to force things. Most important...dems own the military and would happily massacre reps with them.

Bub...harken back to the Mondale era. He carried MN and DC, that is it. Now see what states the commie dems carry. The citizens aka 'the vote' were our last line of defense, once the government, courts and military have failed us. You know, in the last 12 presidential elections, a rep has NEVER won DC. A rep has never got more than 16.51% of the vote in DC. If you go back 60 years, then the most a rep has got was 21.56%. Recent presidential races are in the 4% - 7% area for the rep candidate. Does that tell you anything?

Here is the record for how D.C. voted in presidential elections over the last 60 years from Wikipedia:

Better start coming up with a 'Plan B' to save something of America. Reps have no hope or plan to save America. No god/s to save us, blissninnys. Praying harder won't fix this. It is all lies that are used to control you and give you hope. Heaven and hell is what humans make it to be right here on earth.

Personally, I don't believe America can be saved...it has gone past the point of no return. But I'm no genius, I can only outline some of the problems. If you disagree, what do you base America's salvation on? Hopium?

1. Does DC have any Electoral College votes? They don't matter.

2. The swing states are leaning Republican. If that holds the US is fine.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Turley outlines "Four Compelling Problems" with the trial & verdict.

Donald Trump trial's four "compelling problems" outlined by legal analyst

Jonathan Turley wrote an opinion article on Saturday about the judge, charges, evidence and instructions amid the former president's criminal hush money trial.

www.newsweek.com

Donald Trump Trial's Four 'Compelling Problems' Outlined by Legal Analyst​

Turley is lying.

No proof Merchan was hand selected.

The underlying crimes were made very clear in February during pretrial hearings.

Why does he lie? Is it for click bait revenue?

 

[kyzr]

Turley is lying. No proof Merchan was hand selected.
The underlying crimes were made very clear in February during pretrial hearings.
Why does he lie? Is it for click bait revenue?

LOL. He's a Law Professor. Don't call him a liar unless you have proof. He said there are (4) reasons for appeal.

As I said before, there are no underlying CRIMES that were "covered up" by the legal (NDA) Stormy HUSH-MONEY payments.

We'll see after the appeals decision who's lying.