Is a Constitutional Crisis looming? (Poll)

[Marener]

Dumbass. Read this if you can. It proves I'm right and you're wrong.

Bragg and the Jackson Pollock School of Prosecution: Why the Trump Trial Could End With a Hung Jury

Below is my column in the Hill on the approaching closing arguments in the Trump trial. Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg appears to be launching his own school of abstract legal work in the …

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This proves you are wrong.

Debunking 12 Myths About Trump's Conviction

American legal expert Barbara McQuade breaks down several false claims about Trump's conviction being rigged.

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[kyzr]

It is not expired when based on predicate crimes raising it to a felony. Did Trump's lawyers bring up the statute of limitations?
Yes or no?

No because the bullshit felonies are the "crimes" being charged.

4 were presented to the judge. He accepted 3.They weren't secret. They were discussed with Trump's lawyers in February.
If Trump or any of his supporters; media or otherwise said different, they lied to you. You may want to expand your media sources.

LOL!! The crimes are so secret that you still can't list them. They were not convictions nor were they indicted crimes, so they are imaginary crimes, illegally charged crimes that never had "due process" in court. Similar to the "insurrection" crime CO used to try to keep Trump off the CO ballot. That was overturned as will these Kangaroo Court "felonies".

That applies to charges. Trump was not charged with these crimes and charges are not required in accordance with the precedent below. (The people vs taveras: linked below) This is correct. The jurors needed to agree on the primary crime; falsifying business records. The 6th amendment applies to charges crimes, not intent. Since the predicate crimes need not be charged, the jurors need not agree.

That precedent is not relevant. The 6th Amendment says that the defendant gets "due process". The CO "insurrection" case is a better precedent. No matter, these 24 bullshit felonies will never stand after the appeal process.

I can list. 34 counts of falsifying business records elevated to a felony based on predicate crimes.

What predicate crimes? Federal Election crimes that aren't there?

Trump nor Cohen are charged with paying for an NDA so your comment makes no sense.

What were the payments to Stormy for? Duh.

Have you not read the indictment, statement of facts, decision and order, or verdict?
The information you need is located there, not in the right wing media bubble.
Trump was not charged with federal crimes so your point is moot.

There are no crimes being covered up by the NDA payments to Stormy, none. Merchan is a political hack not a judge.

 

[kyzr]

Did Trump have a problem with "lock her up"? Did he have a problem with any of this? Nope.
The US is kind of like a dodgy African country. You win elections not because of free and fair elections, but because you lie, bribe and cajole enough people to vote for you. Why do people think this is democracy?

1. Elections used to be "free and fair".
2. Mail-in ballots and "ballot harvesting" and "found boxes of ballots" and not knowing election results for weeks after the election is criminal. Now democrats' open borders and "great replacement" operation is also criminal.
So I agree that our democracy is in jeopardy.

 

[HeyNorm]

Opposition research is legal.

Sure, especially when absolutely no research was done. Who’s the con man?

 

[kyzr]

MAGA dreams! The reality is that there will be a blue tsunami this fall and not only will Joe be re-elected, but there will be enough of a majority to impeach and convict Alito and Thomas for aiding and abetting an insurrection.

I don't know where you get your information, but Joe is way too old, the senate will go GOP with (WV, PA, MT, MD, AZ) pickup opportunities, the House will stay GOP. There was no "insurrection".

 

[kyzr]

This proves you are wrong.

From your link:

"...with intent to conceal the violation of campaign finance and tax laws."

There were no campaign finance laws nor tax laws violated. No indictments. No convictions. No crimes to cover up.

 

[konradv]

I don't know where you get your information, but Joe is way too old, the senate will go GOP with (WV, PA, MT, MD, AZ) pickup opportunities, the House will stay GOP. There was no "insurrection".

Trump doesn’t stand a chance. The Republican Convention is going to be a dumpster fire IN PRIME TIME!

#DUMPTHETRUMP

 

[kyzr]

Trump doesn’t stand a chance. The Republican Convention is going to be a dumpster fire IN PRIME TIME!

The polls say the election will be close, so anything can happen.
Why will the GOP convention be a dumpster fire? They are usually boring.

The democrat convention will be the dumpster fire.
1/2 of them will want to dump Joe Biden for a younger candidate.
1/2 of them will support Joe Biden
Rioters and protesters will show how many oppose Biden and the democrats.

 

[konradv]

The polls say the election will be close, so anything can happen.
Why will the GOP convention be a dumpster fire? They are usually boring.

The democrat convention will be the dumpster fire.
1/2 of them will want to dump Joe Biden for a younger candidate.
1/2 of them will support Joe Biden
Rioters and protesters will show how many oppose Biden and the democrats.

I think Chicago ‘68 is going to have to take a back seat to that clown show.

 

[Marener]

From your link:

"...with intent to conceal the violation of campaign finance and tax laws."

There were no campaign finance laws nor tax laws violated. No indictments. No convictions. No crimes to cover up.

Michael Cohen was charged and pled guilty to campaign finance violation for this exact situation.

Someone is keeping you guys ignorant of the facts.

 

[Independent thinker]

One lady on with George Stephanopolous this morning had a very concerning scenario.

Say that Biden wins a very close election in November.

Then say that Trump's 34 count conviction gets overturned soon after. That makes Biden's win illegitimate due to obvious election interference.

So what happens? Or, what should happen?

I think that the USSC needs to step in and review the 34 felony counts and either confirm, or overturn them before the election. As one GOP lawyer said, the 34 counts could be affected by the presidential immunity decision.

Ever since Democrats have been crying about a Constitutional crisis, they have been creating the Constitutional crisis.

 

[kyzr]

Michael Cohen was charged and pled guilty to campaign finance violation for this exact situation.
Someone is keeping you guys ignorant of the facts.

Trump can do whatever he wants to do with his own money without limit (Citizens United v FEC).
Cohen fucked up because he's a stupid lawyer.
You need to learn the facts. The FEC and DOJ both looked at it and saw no crime.

 

[Marener]

Trump can do whatever he wants to do with his own money without limit (Citizens United v FEC).
Cohen fucked up because he's a stupid lawyer.
You need to learn the facts. The FEC and DOJ both looked at it and saw no crime.

No, he can’t do whatever he wants.

This was not just Cohen fucking up. They created the scheme together to hide the expenditure.

That’s a crime.

The FEC is useless and never said it wasn’t criminal. The DoJ prosecuted Cohen for it.

 

[kyzr]

No, he can’t do whatever he wants.
This was not just Cohen fucking up. They created the scheme together to hide the expenditure. That’s a crime.
The FEC is useless and never said it wasn’t criminal. The DoJ prosecuted Cohen for it.

1. Citizens United v FEC says he can do whatever he wants with his own money, period. Prove otherwise.

2. What "scheme" or "conspiracy" ? Paying for an NDA is perfectly legal. Name the specific crime.

3. The FEC said it wasn't a crime, period. Merchan didn't let Smith testify to that fact.
The DOJ prosecuted Cohen because he was stupid and paid for the NDA with his money instead of Trump's.

 

[konradv]

The FEC and DOJ both looked at it and saw no crime.

A jury of his peers did. That’s the way the system works.

#LOCKHIMUP

 

[Catsnmeters]

Falsifying records is a misdemeanor and the statute of limitations had expired.

Escalated to a felony based on predicate crimes thus the statute of limitations was extended. The statute of limitations expired for misdemeanor crimes not felony crimes.Was that Dercshowitz or Turley who duped you? You know they lie, right?

It's interesting that you think Trump and his lawyers areso stupid and inept they wouldn't bring this up pre trial if it were true.

How stupid do you think they are actually?

Try again. The DEMs set themselves up to have this overturned. They just wanted to call him a convicted felon, which in reality, he is not.

He is a convicted felon.

On what grounds would you expect an appeal to be successful...not including the your false claim above of course?

 

[Catsnmeters]

No because the bullshit felonies are the "crimes" being charged.

Correct. That is why the statute of limitations doesn't apply.

It would apply if they were simply charging him for falsifying business records in the 2nd degree (a misdemeanor).

LOL!! The crimes are so secret that you still can't list them.

They were listed for the defense and prosecutors in February.

Trump is lying to you.

I gave you the link of the transcript. Did you not a read single page?

They were not convictions nor were they indicted crimes, so they are imaginary crimes, illegally charged crimes that never had "due process" in court. Similar to the "insurrection" crime CO used to try to keep Trump off the CO ballot. That was overturned as will these Kangaroo Court "felonies".

The threshold for the predicate crimes is intent only. They need not be charges.

Trump and his team went over this in February. They knew it coming into the trial.

Trump is lying to you.

That precedent is not relevant. The 6th Amendment says that the defendant gets "due process". The CO "insurrection" case is a better precedent. No matter, these 24 bullshit felonies will never stand after the appeal process.

Trump got due process for the crime of falsifying business records in the first degree. A felony.

No due process is required for the predicate crimes as was discussed in February with Trump's team.

What predicate crimes? Federal Election crimes that aren't there?

The predicate crimes only require intent.

They are listed in page 12 of the link I provided above that you didn't read.

What were the payments to Stormy for? Duh.

So she wouldn't tell the country Trump fucked a porn star while his wife was home with his newborn.

There are no crimes being covered up by the NDA payments to Stormy, none. Merchan is a political hack not a judge.

Except falsifying business records in the first degree.

Merchan has to follow precedent. He can't create or change laws, he only follows them.

The precedents were addressed pretrial with Trump team. Trump's team agreed with them. That means there is no grounds for appeal.

Below is the precedent discussed with Trump's team that his lawyers agreed with.

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"We...reject defendant's contention that a separate crime automatically becomes a material element of falsifying business records in the first degree whenever the People rely on the “intent to conceal” prong of that statute on the theory that concealment, as opposed to an intent to commit another crime or aid in the commission thereof, presupposes a prior completed crime. Read as a whole, it is clear that falsifying business records in the second degree is elevated to a first-degree offense on the basis of an enhanced intent requirement—“an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof”—not any additional actus reus element"

 

[Catsnmeters]

Sure, especially when absolutely no research was done. Who’s the con man?

Sure their was.

The Steele dossier was it's culmination.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

hmmm, white liberals and their social educations...does ^ that ^ very funny thingy make fun of fox news viewers? or the folks who would mock kids for believing in "Santa"? who does that?

 

[Marener]

1. Citizens United v FEC says he can do whatever he wants with his own money, period. Prove otherwise.

2. What "scheme" or "conspiracy" ? Paying for an NDA is perfectly legal. Name the specific crime.

3. The FEC said it wasn't a crime, period. Merchan didn't let Smith testify to that fact.
The DOJ prosecuted Cohen because he was stupid and paid for the NDA with his money instead of Trump's.

1. This case is not relevant since it deals with third party spending that is not associated with the campaign.

2. The scheme to cover up the fact that Trump was paying for the NDA.

3. The FEC said no such thing. The general counsel for the FEC said their investigation showed evidence of crimes. The Republican cronies that Trump appointed to the FEC said they didn’t care.

Cohen and Trump agreed on the payment. It wasn’t just Cohen being stupid. It was both of them working together being stupid.