Is Braggs stretching it with a felony?

[Lesh]

Except paying a NDA is not a crime, and putting the expense as “legal expense” makes perfect sense.

The whole thing is ridiculous.

So Cohen should not have been convicted???

 

[WorldWatcher]

Except paying a NDA is not a crime, and putting the expense as “legal expense” makes perfect sense.

Correct, paying for an NDA is not a crime.

However, as the record appears to show, the payments were made via the Trump Organization CFO (Chief Finanical Officer) using organization funds. As a businees enity "legal expenses" are tax deductable. Paying for the NDA for personal reasons is not, therefore that there is an element of tax fraud in the transaction.s

If Trump had just cut the checks personally? He'd be home free (no pun intended). What is likely to catch him up is attempting to launder the money through business transactions.

WW

 

[Lisa558]

Correct, paying for an NDA is not a crime.

However, as the record appears to show, the payments were made via the Trump Organization CFO (Chief Finanical Officer) using organization funds. As a businees enity "legal expenses" are tax deductable. Paying for the NDA for personal reasons is not, therefore that there is an element of tax fraud in the transaction.s

If Trump had just cut the checks personally? He'd be home free (no pun intended). What is likely to catch him up is attempting to launder the money through business transactions.

WW

What a stretch…. congresspeople use secret taxpayer funds to pay off their floozies, and Trump is being raked over the rails because the money for an NDA came from his own company than himself personally?

What about the money laundering scheme Biden cooked up with his son to funnel the bribes from Communists? $50,000 a month to rent a house, from Hunter to Joe?

The double standards applies to Democrats’ political opponents are something you’d expect from North Korea.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Braggs didn't have enough for misdemeanors b/c the statute ran out so he's saying it's a felony to commit a crime for covering up another crime. You can't possibly prove that.

Actaully, those on one side will repeatedly say "Cohen is a liar" and leave it at that.

However they ignore the greater context. Sure Cohen lied before is conviction. But as part of the deal he not only had to tell the truth he had to turn over supporting evidence including texts, emails, phone records, extemporaneous phone notes, legal documents, loan information, shell company information, invoices, travel itineraries, meeting schedules, meeting notes, etc. And as noted on previous news storied from around the time of Cohen's conviction, he has audio recordings of the FDOTUS regarding the matter.

That was then matched up to Allen Weisselberg (Sp?) the Trump Organization Chief Financial Officer who helped setup who process of Cohen making the initial payments to Danials ($130K) and then being paid back the $130K, plus another $130K to "tax it up" for IRS purposes so Cohen walked away with the original $130K payment, plus a bonus for his work. IIRC the total came up to about $420K. In addition to Weisselberg's testimony, he has also provided corporative documentation of the types previously listed.

Then you have David Pecker who has a member of the media was invovled with the "catch-n-kill" process and was part of arranging the Daniels and McDougal payoffs. He also will be testifying and providing he has also provided corporative documentation of the types previously listed.

So yes, it is possible to prove that.

WW

 

[Faun]

What you have is a star witness that's an ex-con perjurer for a DA who campaigned on getting Trump on something......anything, trying to make a case that their city has jurisdiction on federal law which was already examined by the FEC and found nothing illegal about paying a person for a non-disclosure agreement in front of a judge who's daughter worked for the Harris and Biden election.

But they have a strong case.

Not exactly true that the FEC found nothing illegal. It required a majority vote of a 6 member commission comprised of 1 Independent, 2 Democrats and 3 Republicans, to proceed with a case. 2 recused themselves and it ended in a 2-2 tie; with 2 Republicans voting to take no action on the premise that the DoJ already convicted Cohen on related charges.

 

[Faun]

Sounds like somebody that doesn't know what they are talking about. Read the indictment. All 34 bogus charges highlight 2017 as the year the supposed infraction took place. In 2017 Trump was barely 2 years into his presidency and not running against anybody on the Democrat side.

LOL

I'd say don't be stupid, but you can't help yourself. Those 2017 payments were reimbursing payments made in 2016 to hush 2 women before the 2016 election when he was running against someone else.

 

[Faun]

Its a matter of what the prosecution can prove.

If this make it to a jury trial, which I'm not expecting, all he has to do is show the jury Trump took no action for 10 years to shut up either woman; and didn't shut them up until 1-4 months before his election, and the jury will decide. And it comes down to 2 angles... the lesser of the 2 is the timing. Waiting until his election reveals his intent. But what nails him is that the hush money is already tied inextricably to his campaign. Michael Cohen, among other things, went to jail for making excessive campaign contributions by paying that hush money.

 

[Nostra]

He doesn't need a mind-reading machine, he has Cohen and a boatload of documentation to back it up.



Talk to some of your fellow right wingers who are supporting DeSatan or even whining that this indictment makes it harder for him to get the primary.

The ironic thing is sensible Republicans know that Trump is bad for the country, know he's bad for the party... but they are too scared to call him out and end up like Liz Cheney.

He has Cohen?

 

[Faun]

Except paying a NDA is not a crime, and putting the expense as “legal expense” makes perfect sense.

The whole thing is ridiculous.

The NDA is not illegal. Using campaign funds to pay it but not report it as such, is.

 

[WorldWatcher]

If this make it to a jury trial, which I'm not expecting, all he has to do is show the jury Trump took no action for 10 years to shut up either woman; and didn't shut them up until 1-4 months before his election, and the jury will decide. And it comes down to 2 angles... the lesser of the 2 is the timing. Waiting until his election reveals his intent. But what nails him is that the hush money is already tied inextricably to his campaign. Michael Cohen, among other things, went to jail for making excessive campaign contributions by paying that hush money.

The Daniels payment occurred less than 2 weeks before the election. IIRC.

WW

 

[Lesh]

The Daniels payment occurred less than 2 weeks before the election. IIRC.

WW

At a critical juncture in the campaign

 

[marvin martian]

Evidently in NY, one misdemeanor plus a related misdemeanor equals a felony. So commit the first one, cover it up with a second one, and it's a felony.

Yes, this feels like a stretch, and this is a really bad time for a stretch. We'll see what comes out in court.

And what's the original crime?

 

[Lesh]

And what's the original crime?

Ask Cohen

 

[Lisa558]

The Daniels payment occurred less than 2 weeks before the election. IIRC.

WW

NDAs are legal, whenever they occur.

 

[marvin martian]

Ask Cohen

So it's not identified in the indictment?

LOL

 

[Faun]

The Daniels payment occurred less than 2 weeks before the election. IIRC.

WW

Negotiations with Daniels began about a month before and the McDougal payoff occurred about 4 months before the election.

 

[Faun]

At a critical juncture in the campaign

For affairs 10 years earlier. The timing reveals the intentions.

 

[Lisa558]

The NDA is not illegal. Using campaign funds to pay it but not report it as such, is.

He didn’t use campaign funds.

Besides, the bigger concern is that the current president has enriched himself and his family by taking bribes from the CCP and stole classified documents from the SCIF when he was a senator.

This is a wag the dog story. A big to-do over a consensual affair when Biden is intentionally weakening our country.

 

[Faun]

NDAs are legal, whenever they occur.

The NDA isn't the issue. The manner of payout is.

 

[jbrownson0831]

Braggs didn't have enough for misdemeanors b/c the statute ran out so he's saying it's a felony to commit a crime for covering up another crime. You can't possibly prove that.

Stretching it just like his britches!