Is Home-Schooling a Fundamental Right?

[Quantum Windbag]

[The only thing government ever does is take away our rights. laws exist to limit government and protect us from it, they do not exist to establish our rights. I honestly do not understand why that concept is so hard for you to grasp, you have actually provided plenty of quotes that say exactly what I am saying, do you not read your own posts?

You talk as though laws exist in a vacuum and somehow enforce themselves without government.

'Laws exist to limit government' What? That makes no sense. Would you have us eliminate the Supreme Court, for example? Would you have us eliminate the federal government,

so states could make their own rules, and put their own legal limitations on your rights, such as was tried in Illinois with the handgun ban?

Would less central government allow states to bring back school segregation, if they so chose, or segregation in general, or discrimination against homosexuals, or limitations on voting rights,

if the majority in a state so chose? Is that your vision of a better world?

What?

You operate under the delusion that government protects rights. We now have the PATRIOT Act, the NDAA, do not own our cell phones even though we spend hundreds of dollars for them, and cannot go to the Super Bowl without being cleared by the federal government.

In other words, you are the one that thinks there is a vacuum, and you think it surrounds the way the government works. The very existence of government takes infringes on the rights of everyone, the bigger it gets, the more it infringes.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

It's a powerful central government that protects your rights. The more local you make government the more chance you have to lose rights.

It is amazing how the local city council passed that nasty PATRIOT Act, good thing the feds stepped in to stop them.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

It is exactly the basis upon which the Constitution is written.

How are you coming up with these posts, randomly hitting the keys on the the keyboard?


"Liberals claim the center by placing socialism on the left and national socialism on the right, even though Lenin/Stalin and Hitler/other Nazis had much in common as they centralized power and preached hatred.
A more accurate spectrum would place totalitarians of many stripes on the left and defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom on the right."WORLD | Let's admit who we are | Marvin Olasky | July 17, 2010



So....the writers of the Constitution, "defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom on the right," are at one end of the political spectrum.....

...and you and the other totalists on the other.

Get it now?

Are you not aware that the Constitution gives elected representatives POWERS?

Are you not aware that compulsory education at the state level is constitutional?

The Constitution gives representatives powers? Like what?

 

[PoliticalChic]

How are you coming up with these posts, randomly hitting the keys on the the keyboard?


"Liberals claim the center by placing socialism on the left and national socialism on the right, even though Lenin/Stalin and Hitler/other Nazis had much in common as they centralized power and preached hatred.
A more accurate spectrum would place totalitarians of many stripes on the left and defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom on the right."WORLD | Let's admit who we are | Marvin Olasky | July 17, 2010



So....the writers of the Constitution, "defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom on the right," are at one end of the political spectrum.....

...and you and the other totalists on the other.

Get it now?

Are you not aware that the Constitution gives elected representatives POWERS?

Are you not aware that compulsory education at the state level is constitutional?

The Constitution gives representatives powers? Like what?

What shade of bloomers Sloth should wear.

 

[bendog]

Shouldn't a German who wants to sport a swastika be given amnesty to do so here and exercise his fundamenatl right to free speech? Of course he should. It's fundamental

 

[Foxfyre]

How are you coming up with these posts, randomly hitting the keys on the the keyboard?


"Liberals claim the center by placing socialism on the left and national socialism on the right, even though Lenin/Stalin and Hitler/other Nazis had much in common as they centralized power and preached hatred.
A more accurate spectrum would place totalitarians of many stripes on the left and defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom on the right."WORLD | Let's admit who we are | Marvin Olasky | July 17, 2010



So....the writers of the Constitution, "defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom on the right," are at one end of the political spectrum.....

...and you and the other totalists on the other.

Get it now?

Are you not aware that the Constitution gives elected representatives POWERS?

Are you not aware that compulsory education at the state level is constitutional?

The Constitution gives representatives powers? Like what?

The Constitution gives no representative any power other than his collective vote.

The powers given to Congress:
1. To levy and collect revenues necessary to operate the functions of government.
2. To impeach (House) and try (Senate) the President or a Justice of the Supreme Court.
3. To declare and fund war.
4. To initiate and pass laws of the land.
5. To allocate funds necessary for operation of the functions of government.

Other than rules and regulation necessary to secure the rights of the people and knit the various states into one nation/one people, Congress was never intended to dictate to the people how they were to conduct business, organize the societies they wished to have, or provide any form of charity or benevolence.

Certainly the Founders would have been horrified and ready to initiate a second revolution if the federal government had presumed to tell us how we must educate our children.

But the states yes. With consent of the people, the states can do that if that is what the people want.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Are you not aware that the Constitution gives elected representatives POWERS?

Are you not aware that compulsory education at the state level is constitutional?

The Constitution gives representatives powers? Like what?

The Constitution gives no representative any power other than his collective vote.

The powers given to Congress:
1. To levy and collect revenues necessary to operate the functions of government.
2. To impeach (House) and try (Senate) the President or a Justice of the Supreme Court.
3. To declare and fund war.
4. To initiate and pass laws of the land.
5. To allocate funds necessary for operation of the functions of government.

Other than rules and regulation necessary to secure the rights of the people and knit the various states into one nation/one people, Congress was never intended to dictate to the people how they were to conduct business, organize the societies they wished to have, or provide any form of charity or benevolence.

Certainly the Founders would have been horrified and ready to initiate a second revolution if the federal government had presumed to tell us how we must educate our children.

But the states yes. With consent of the people, the states can do that if that is what the people want.

You realize, don't you, you're disturbing his fascist fantasy?

 

[NYcarbineer]

How are you coming up with these posts, randomly hitting the keys on the the keyboard?


"Liberals claim the center by placing socialism on the left and national socialism on the right, even though Lenin/Stalin and Hitler/other Nazis had much in common as they centralized power and preached hatred.
A more accurate spectrum would place totalitarians of many stripes on the left and defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom on the right."WORLD | Let's admit who we are | Marvin Olasky | July 17, 2010



So....the writers of the Constitution, "defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom on the right," are at one end of the political spectrum.....

...and you and the other totalists on the other.

Get it now?

Are you not aware that the Constitution gives elected representatives POWERS?

Are you not aware that compulsory education at the state level is constitutional?

The Constitution gives representatives powers? Like what?

Don't troll. You've been embarassed enough in this thread.

 

[NYcarbineer]

It's a powerful central government that protects your rights. The more local you make government the more chance you have to lose rights.

It is amazing how the local city council passed that nasty PATRIOT Act, good thing the feds stepped in to stop them.

How many southern states mandated segregated schools, until the big central government stepped in and made it go away?

Without a federal government you might still have segregated schools.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I choked? You made the claim that the Constitution protects the right to have consensual sex, I provided evidence that it does not, how did I choke?

The Court ruled in Lawrence v Texas:

"The petitioners [Lawrence and Garner] are entitled to respect for their private lives. The State cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime."

Your obfuscation notwithstanding.

Yet the same court has no problem with prostittuion, which is sexual congress between consenting adults, being illegal. Still wondering how I choked.

If prostitution is a natural right, what does a guy like you need the federal government to protect that right for you?

 

[NYcarbineer]

It's a powerful central government that protects your rights. The more local you make government the more chance you have to lose rights.

Haven't you thought this through?

You'd have no rights under that kind of government.



OMG!!!

I used a form of the word "think" referring to you!!!
My bad.

Without a federal government and a Supreme Court, Chicago would have banned handguns outright, with no legal recourse for the people of that city.

Is that the country you want?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Are you not aware that the Constitution gives elected representatives POWERS?

Are you not aware that compulsory education at the state level is constitutional?

The Constitution gives representatives powers? Like what?

The Constitution gives no representative any power other than his collective vote.

The powers given to Congress:
1. To levy and collect revenues necessary to operate the functions of government.
2. To impeach (House) and try (Senate) the President or a Justice of the Supreme Court.
3. To declare and fund war.
4. To initiate and pass laws of the land.
5. To allocate funds necessary for operation of the functions of government.

Other than rules and regulation necessary to secure the rights of the people and knit the various states into one nation/one people, Congress was never intended to dictate to the people how they were to conduct business, organize the societies they wished to have, or provide any form of charity or benevolence.

Certainly the Founders would have been horrified and ready to initiate a second revolution if the federal government had presumed to tell us how we must educate our children.

But the states yes. With consent of the people, the states can do that if that is what the people want.

Congress is what it is, not what you denialists think it's supposed to be. You just don't get that conservatism is dead. It dies every generation by losing almost all the battles it was fighting.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Constitution gives representatives powers? Like what?

The Constitution gives no representative any power other than his collective vote.

The powers given to Congress:
1. To levy and collect revenues necessary to operate the functions of government.
2. To impeach (House) and try (Senate) the President or a Justice of the Supreme Court.
3. To declare and fund war.
4. To initiate and pass laws of the land.
5. To allocate funds necessary for operation of the functions of government.

Other than rules and regulation necessary to secure the rights of the people and knit the various states into one nation/one people, Congress was never intended to dictate to the people how they were to conduct business, organize the societies they wished to have, or provide any form of charity or benevolence.

Certainly the Founders would have been horrified and ready to initiate a second revolution if the federal government had presumed to tell us how we must educate our children.

But the states yes. With consent of the people, the states can do that if that is what the people want.

You realize, don't you, you're disturbing his fascist fantasy?

You think it's none of the federal government's business to review NYS's latest gun law, and no business of the federal government to possibly dictate to the people of NYS that the law cannot remain in place, because it's unconstitutional?

 

[NYcarbineer]

It's a powerful central government that protects your rights. The more local you make government the more chance you have to lose rights.

It is amazing how the local city council passed that nasty PATRIOT Act, good thing the feds stepped in to stop them.

Who stopped the city of Chicago's handgun ban?

oops. Think before you post.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Are you not aware that the Constitution gives elected representatives POWERS?

Are you not aware that compulsory education at the state level is constitutional?

The Constitution gives representatives powers? Like what?

Don't troll. You've been embarassed enough in this thread.

What powers does the Constitution give representatives? Are they faster than a speeding bullet? More powerful than a locomotive? Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound?

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

No actually they don't.

Actually they do. Government has no right to dictate they know better than a parent when it comes to education.

Interesting this position to take "choice" out of the hands of parents, when it comes to deciding what's best behind the QUALITY of their kids education. Yet, where are Obama's kids attending? How dare he put his kids best interests first.

The government has every right to do so if the People have delegated that authority to the government, which in the case of compulsory education,

they have.

Sorry to disappoint, but no they don't. If a parent decides they want a better quality of education for their children than public schools, they have every right to pursue it. Government can not stand in the way between the parent and what they feel is the best quality education for their kids.

Interesting how you completely dodged the Obama's "choice" for where they send their kids to school. What's the matter NYcarbineer? I thought the Democrats were for the middle class? Certainly the middle class can afford the same benefits of "CHOICE" Michele and Barrack have, we can't have exceptions to your argument of "choice" and education here.

Better luck next time.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

It's a powerful central government that protects your rights. The more local you make government the more chance you have to lose rights.

It is amazing how the local city council passed that nasty PATRIOT Act, good thing the feds stepped in to stop them.

How many southern states mandated segregated schools, until the big central government stepped in and made it go away?

Without a federal government you might still have segregated schools.

There you go again.

Schools were segregated all over the country, not just in the south. The reason for that was quite simple, the strong federal government you insist is the best defense of rights declared that separate but equal was the standard of the land.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The Court ruled in Lawrence v Texas:

"The petitioners [Lawrence and Garner] are entitled to respect for their private lives. The State cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime."

Your obfuscation notwithstanding.

Yet the same court has no problem with prostittuion, which is sexual congress between consenting adults, being illegal. Still wondering how I choked.

If prostitution is a natural right, what does a guy like you need the federal government to protect that right for you?

Trying to change the subject again? The question remains, if the Constitution protects consenting adults having sex why is prostitution illegal? Why is it illegal in Michigan for an unmarried couple to live together? Why is adultery illegal in New Hampshire? Why is incest illegal every where but Rhode Island? Why is it illegal to won more than 5 dildos in Texas?

None of these laws would hold up if you are correct

 

[NYcarbineer]

Yet the same court has no problem with prostittuion, which is sexual congress between consenting adults, being illegal. Still wondering how I choked.

If prostitution is a natural right, what does a guy like you need the federal government to protect that right for you?

Trying to change the subject again? The question remains, if the Constitution protects consenting adults having sex why is prostitution illegal? Why is it illegal in Michigan for an unmarried couple to live together? Why is adultery illegal in New Hampshire? Why is incest illegal every where but Rhode Island? Why is it illegal to won more than 5 dildos in Texas?

None of these laws would hold up if you are correct

The Constitution protects speech too, doesn't it?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Yet the same court has no problem with prostittuion, which is sexual congress between consenting adults, being illegal. Still wondering how I choked.

If prostitution is a natural right, what does a guy like you need the federal government to protect that right for you?

Trying to change the subject again? The question remains, if the Constitution protects consenting adults having sex why is prostitution illegal? Why is it illegal in Michigan for an unmarried couple to live together? Why is adultery illegal in New Hampshire? Why is incest illegal every where but Rhode Island? Why is it illegal to won more than 5 dildos in Texas?

None of these laws would hold up if you are correct

Is sex with a consenting adult a natural right?