NoNukes
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This is simply not true, at least not in my case or anyone else I know who is homeschooling.Home 'schooling' is about politics, not education.
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This is simply not true, at least not in my case or anyone else I know who is homeschooling.Home 'schooling' is about politics, not education.
That's not even remotely "utter ignorance" - it is 100% fact. We crunched the numbers for my children's school district and they work part time. Literally part time. Only 5 hours per day (which is absolutely laughable) and then they have 3 days at Thanksgiving, two weeks at Christmas, a week at Easter, plus a slew of days for stuff that nobody else in America gets time off for (like Presidents Day, Martin Luther King Jr. day, etc.), and of course, three months in summer. And yet the average salary in the district was a staggering $78,000 per year. And mind you - that may not sound much in some areas like New York City or California. But in this area, that is a TON of money. Who in the hell makes $78,000 for part time work?!? I know people who put in 60 hours per week and don't even come close to that kind of money.I could not teach in today's world. Not for the pittance they are paid for putting up with today's entitled youth. I would never forego my earning potential to do that. Why anyone does is bizarre. Its so much easier to make double in the private sector for half the effort.
"pittance?" They hardly do any work. They have a 6 hour work day and they only work about 180 days out of the year. They get paid far more than they are worth, if you ask me.
Utterly ignorant. ^^^
That has not happened with my daughter. She has a better social life and more friends than when she was in school.Nothing will turn your kid into an anti social loser faster than home schooling.
Not everything is meant to be done via the free market. That's why we enter into pacts and form governments.Liberals are always talking about how bad monopolies are, but the government education system is the biggest monopoly on the planet. To defend it you have to talk out of both sides of your mouth.
As far as education: If you are in a population dense area you can have a proper market for private schools. As long as there's a mechanism to make sure all children get a chance at a good private school (such as a voucher system and laws on the book overseeing admissions), Education that isn't necessarily run by the government can work. But in a rural sparsely populated area education is best left to local government. There just isn't a market large enough to engage in true competition.
Somehow, those testing advantages seem to disappear when in college. I don't know if the testing at home is more lax or they just tend to fall apart outside of the secure, comforting environment of the home.Great post Rabbi. All statistics show that homeschooled children excel far beyond public schooled children in every category (academics, social, religious, political, etc.)And yet somehow homeschooled kids kick ass on virtually every measure. For the record I homeschooled my older son. All the homeschooled kids I ever met, even where their parents were hardly intellects, were polite and could interact well with adults.I don't believe liberal parents should be forced to make their children attend conservative public schools in red states and vice versa.
Home schooling is great if you want to raise a child with no exposure to any other ideas than your own,
Most people do not have the capability to home school because their own education is lacking or it is not feasible because of work schedules, etc.
If you can do it, great! If not, don't try to use it as a dodge for mandatory attendance laws or you will just be raising another idiot dependent on social services.
“A recent study shows that homeschooled kids score almost twice as high on exams as public school students. Other studies show that homeschooled kids score 72 points higher than the national average on SAT exams.
Homeschoolers are more likely to attend college, are more likely to graduate, and have higher college GPAs (Grade Point Averages) than other students.
The old wives’ tale spread by the teachers’ unions (who are afraid of competition) is that homeschoolers are not “socialized.” Well, the facts are in. Homeschoolers are almost twice as involved in their local community or church as public school students, and almost three times as involved in politics.
Homeschooled children also have far fewer behavioral problems.”
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.... Plus they have additional days off like teacher workshop days.....
Might produce good grades for some but the real world isn't at home with mom.
Home schooled kids do much better in college than others, so what's the downside?
Nothing will turn your kid into an anti social loser faster than home schooling.
What's normal, school with other kids or school at home? One is a freak.A homeschooled freak of course.Guess you are one of them then? .A child raised in a convent is a freak. A child who doesn't go to school with other kids, same thing.
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One of what, idiot troll?
Neither, you brainless troll.![]()
All I know is, the homeschooled students I have known were perhaps better mannered than the average kid but perfectly able to interact with peers. They were much better educated than their peers in public school. One-on-one instruction usually aces instruction in a large group. Most of these kids have siblings, neighborhood friends, and many are active in sports. At least none of the ones I've known were strange or socially lacking. I know that is anecdotal, but I am guessing your aversion to homeschooling is also based on one or two kids you have encountered somewhere along the way.That's pretty much a homeschool myth.How were they with kids? Oddballs I bet.And yet somehow homeschooled kids kick ass on virtually every measure. For the record I homeschooled my older son. All the homeschooled kids I ever met, even where their parents were hardly intellects, were polite and could interact well with adults.I don't believe liberal parents should be forced to make their children attend conservative public schools in red states and vice versa.
Home schooling is great if you want to raise a child with no exposure to any other ideas than your own,
Most people do not have the capability to home school because their own education is lacking or it is not feasible because of work schedules, etc.
If you can do it, great! If not, don't try to use it as a dodge for mandatory attendance laws or you will just be raising another idiot dependent on social services.
It's no more BS than those claiming that in general home schooled kids to better than public educated children do. BOTH rely on slanted studies and anecdotal evidence to support the writer's preformed opinion
All I know is, the homeschooled students I have known were perhaps better mannered than the average kid but perfectly able to interact with peers. They were much better educated than their peers in public school. One-on-one instruction usually aces instruction in a large group. Most of these kids have siblings, neighborhood friends, and many are active in sports. At least none of the ones I've known were strange or socially lacking. I know that is anecdotal, but I am guessing your aversion to homeschooling is also based on one or two kids you have encountered somewhere along the way.That's pretty much a homeschool myth.How were they with kids? Oddballs I bet.And yet somehow homeschooled kids kick ass on virtually every measure. For the record I homeschooled my older son. All the homeschooled kids I ever met, even where their parents were hardly intellects, were polite and could interact well with adults.Home schooling is great if you want to raise a child with no exposure to any other ideas than your own,
Most people do not have the capability to home school because their own education is lacking or it is not feasible because of work schedules, etc.
If you can do it, great! If not, don't try to use it as a dodge for mandatory attendance laws or you will just be raising another idiot dependent on social services.
It's no more BS than those claiming that in general home schooled kids to better than public educated children do. BOTH rely on slanted studies and anecdotal evidence to support the writer's preformed opinion
Actually, there's a lot of studies looking at the distance people have to travel to get to grocery stores in rural or very poor urban areas. It's shockingly bad. I can vouch for this as whenever I go visit family in Southern Illinois and/or Southern Indiana the distance to a grocery store is pretty rough.Not everything is meant to be done via the free market. That's why we enter into pacts and form governments.Liberals are always talking about how bad monopolies are, but the government education system is the biggest monopoly on the planet. To defend it you have to talk out of both sides of your mouth.
No, that's actually not why we form governments. The state is a means for a predatory class to plunder a serf class and harvest their production. Government has always been based on plunder and exploitation.
As far as education: If you are in a population dense area you can have a proper market for private schools. As long as there's a mechanism to make sure all children get a chance at a good private school (such as a voucher system and laws on the book overseeing admissions), Education that isn't necessarily run by the government can work. But in a rural sparsely populated area education is best left to local government. There just isn't a market large enough to engage in true competition.
Funny how people in rural areas manage to get groceries, but they can't get adequate schooling?
It's a question dumbshit. Perhaps you will find some enlightenment when trying to answer.Refer to my last post...Interesting... I wonder why? If conservative ideology spoke more truth or presented more rationale effective ideas, wouldnt you think that would be reflected in our education system?I don't believe liberal parents should be forced to make their children attend conservative public schools in red states and vice versa.
Having lived in 8 States literally from coast to coast, I can tell you that all government schools are liberal
No, because the government runs the education system. Government has a vested interest in denying the truth.
Why? It fails to provide any enlightenment.
Might produce good grades for some but the real world isn't at home with mom.
Home schooled kids do much better in college than others, so what's the downside?
They still have to live in the real world.
You have school choice in where your children attend school by where you live. They have no impact whatsoever.
That's like saying if the government passed a law forcing you to shop at Walmart, you still have the choice of moving to where there's a Walmart you like.
Try again. There was no real thought put into that post.
Nope. That analogy is exact. With government schooling, everywhere you go, the same company is providing the service.
The batshit crazy crew have moved in...
So the RW tries there best to destroy and hamper public education. While causing a lot of damage they still didn't succeed. Now they want to homeschool...
Why does anyone listen to these crackpots when they talk about education...
In Germany/Finland/Israel/Ireland... they have well paid union member teachers who offer some of the best results in the world. They actually discuss with unions about curriculum and what is best way to deliver education. Teachers are respected and are at the top end of there class...
The problem with the RW is they have no respect for education and it shows it there states... They actually mock education...
RWs have no respect for government education.
BTW, you didn't even bother try to dispute my claim. Liberals are always talking about how bad monopolies are, but the government education system is the biggest monopoly on the planet. To defend it you have to talk out of both sides of your mouth.
Face it, you're a douche bag who doesn't give a damn about education. You're only concern is continuing the government monopoly so you can continue pumping our kids full of leftist propaganda.
I was once against homeschooling, but for the past two years we have homeschooled our daughter because of anxiety issues she had from being bullied. It has been a brilliant experience for her and us. Her anxiety is gone and she is going back to school next September for her final two years of secondary school.
You're the reason I have worries about homeschooling. You have close to mental problems with the paranoia you express on this board... I believe that you teaching a child would be very misguided.
You have very little grasp of actual science. Your views are extremist and I don't think child deserve to be exposed to that solely and a young.
Also speaking anecdotally, the parents that do it right (Organized fieldtrips, sports, organized play dates/outings) raise children who are totally normal socially. They also raise children who are outstanding academically.All I know is, the homeschooled students I have known were perhaps better mannered than the average kid but perfectly able to interact with peers. They were much better educated than their peers in public school. One-on-one instruction usually aces instruction in a large group. Most of these kids have siblings, neighborhood friends, and many are active in sports. At least none of the ones I've known were strange or socially lacking. I know that is anecdotal, but I am guessing your aversion to homeschooling is also based on one or two kids you have encountered somewhere along the way.That's pretty much a homeschool myth.How were they with kids? Oddballs I bet.And yet somehow homeschooled kids kick ass on virtually every measure. For the record I homeschooled my older son. All the homeschooled kids I ever met, even where their parents were hardly intellects, were polite and could interact well with adults.Home schooling is great if you want to raise a child with no exposure to any other ideas than your own,
Most people do not have the capability to home school because their own education is lacking or it is not feasible because of work schedules, etc.
If you can do it, great! If not, don't try to use it as a dodge for mandatory attendance laws or you will just be raising another idiot dependent on social services.
It's no more BS than those claiming that in general home schooled kids to better than public educated children do. BOTH rely on slanted studies and anecdotal evidence to support the writer's preformed opinion
I don't need to know them all to know they will be odd because of being raised oddly. Homeschoolers are mostly freaks themselves.Nothing unfair about it. Not normal kids.Isolated weird kids that can't fit in.Home schooled kids do much better in college than others, so what's the downside?
That's an unfair generalization.
How the fuck do you know? You know every home schooled student in the country, their families, what social activities they participate, etc.? Stop being an idiot.