Is it moral for God to punish us?

[PostmodernProph]

You claim that you believe in god and then go around hating some of god's creatures, like gays. Jesus was not a hater, and for sure didn't hate gays.

why would you lie about me and say I hate gays?......that is a vile thing to do......

 

[aris2chat]

Turn on TV sunday morning

so your experience on this issue is based upon the six tele-evangelists you've seen on Sunday morning?.......you should get out more......

I gave up on church or organized religion long ago. Switching channels on sunday I hear what they are ranting and waving their book about. Listening to those proselytizing on the forums is not better.
Those that come to the door start with Paul and revelations like the gospels don't exist are not welcome, or I tell them I'm a satanist just to make them run away.

If there is anything after, I rather like the Buddhist idea or returning to try again till you get it right.

Some old man sitting on a cloud, fields of Alesia or gardens with rivers of wine just don't do it for me.

Maybe a scale of your good and bad acts, but no hell because of sin or sinning on Friday and Saturday and confession of sunday or before you die and be absolved. But those who suffer mental health problems, abuse, rape and commit suicide or choose to terminate in their end stage being lost while rapists and murders that confess going to heaven is BS as far as I'm concerned.

Temperamental, vain, jealous, vindictive, angry, violent, demanding judgmental or indifferent god just does not give me the warm fuzzes. Rather have a cat or live with someone that is bi-polar.

No thanks

 

[aris2chat]

I found christians in the US stress the idea of hell far more than in Europe or the middle east.

that is interesting, because in my experience the only ones who stress the idea of hell are atheists........

No god, not hell.

How is that stressing hell if there is none?

 

[Mudda]

You claim that you believe in god and then go around hating some of god's creatures, like gays. Jesus was not a hater, and for sure didn't hate gays.

why would you lie about me and say I hate gays?......that is a vile thing to do......

Wake up and smell the coffee. That is what you project.

 

[Mudda]

So if someone shows up to your house and says: give me your house or I'll kill you. You would consider that a choice?

I would choose to call the police and tell them there is a wounded man on my front porch..........

Sorry, a third choice is not available. See how that works?

 

[Mudda]

Note how our friend did not even care that his dogma says that most of those he loves will burn at his feet.

????.....why would you make such a silly claim?.....why do you think a single one of those I love will burn......

Because god only saves the truly righteous, leaving you out in the cold, douchebag.

 

[GreatestIam]

Because hypothetically even, telling someone choose me or death is a threat, not a choice.

really?......someone offering you a choice is not offering you a choice......and why do you think that?........it can't be because you don't like the choice of death, because that's the choice you made.......

So if someone shows up to your house and says: give me your house or I'll kill you. You would consider that a choice?

It would be rightly called a choice but is in no way a free choice.

It is a forced choice while Christians think it is somehow a free choice.

Regards
DL

There's no such thing as a "forced choice", that's an oxymoron.

If you are walking along and some thief stops you at gun point and says, --- choose between giving me my your cash and walking away, or --- not giving me your cash and taking a bullet, --- is that not a forced choice?

If not, what is it?

Regards
DL

 

[Mudda]

Because hypothetically even, telling someone choose me or death is a threat, not a choice.

really?......someone offering you a choice is not offering you a choice......and why do you think that?........it can't be because you don't like the choice of death, because that's the choice you made.......

So if someone shows up to your house and says: give me your house or I'll kill you. You would consider that a choice?

It would be rightly called a choice but is in no way a free choice.

It is a forced choice while Christians think it is somehow a free choice.

Regards
DL

There's no such thing as a "forced choice", that's an oxymoron.

If you are walking along and some thief stops you at gun point and says, --- choose between giving me my your cash and walking away, or --- not giving me your cash and taking a bullet, --- is that not a forced choice?

If not, what is it?

Regards
DL

No, that's called a stick-up.

 

[GreatestIam]

really?......someone offering you a choice is not offering you a choice......and why do you think that?........it can't be because you don't like the choice of death, because that's the choice you made.......

So if someone shows up to your house and says: give me your house or I'll kill you. You would consider that a choice?

It would be rightly called a choice but is in no way a free choice.

It is a forced choice while Christians think it is somehow a free choice.

Regards
DL

There's no such thing as a "forced choice", that's an oxymoron.

If you are walking along and some thief stops you at gun point and says, --- choose between giving me my your cash and walking away, or --- not giving me your cash and taking a bullet, --- is that not a forced choice?

If not, what is it?

Regards
DL

No, that's called a stick-up.

Correct and also a forced choice.

I thought you were brighter than this but-----

Regards
DL

 

[PostmodernProph]

No god, not hell.

How is that stressing hell if there is none?

I haven't met an atheist yet who didn't argue that the fact of "hell" was the reason to be an atheist.......it's their number one argument......pretty stupid, but true nonetheless.........

 

[PostmodernProph]

Wake up and smell the coffee. That is what you project.

I'm sorry you suck at receiving.....I do not hate gays......I used to be business partners with a gay couple......are you wrong about everything?......

 

[PostmodernProph]

Sorry, a third choice is not available. See how that works?

no....because even after a second look I can see that you are not God......

 

[PostmodernProph]

Because god only saves the truly righteous, leaving you out in the cold, douchebag.

sorry, but I am a Christian......we believe that God saves any that ask for forgiveness.......perhaps that explains the other errors in your posts........you were referring to some other religion.........

 

[Mudda]

So if someone shows up to your house and says: give me your house or I'll kill you. You would consider that a choice?

It would be rightly called a choice but is in no way a free choice.

It is a forced choice while Christians think it is somehow a free choice.

Regards
DL

There's no such thing as a "forced choice", that's an oxymoron.

If you are walking along and some thief stops you at gun point and says, --- choose between giving me my your cash and walking away, or --- not giving me your cash and taking a bullet, --- is that not a forced choice?

If not, what is it?

Regards
DL

No, that's called a stick-up.

Correct and also a forced choice.

I thought you were brighter than this but-----

Regards
DL

A choice is when you have some things to choose from. A stick-up doesn't give choices.

I knew you weren't this bright but...

 

[Mudda]

Wake up and smell the coffee. That is what you project.

I'm sorry you suck at receiving.....I do not hate gays......I used to be business partners with a gay couple......are you wrong about everything?......

It's what you project, whether you agree or not, or even like it or not. So suck it up, crybaby.

 

[Mudda]

Sorry, a third choice is not available. See how that works?

no....because even after a second look I can see that you are not God......

I guess that went right over your head. Oh well...

 

[Mudda]

Because god only saves the truly righteous, leaving you out in the cold, douchebag.

sorry, but I am a Christian......we believe that God saves any that ask for forgiveness.......perhaps that explains the other errors in your posts........you were referring to some other religion.........

So I guess you're waiting for the end of your life to repent, turn your life around and be a real Christian?

 

[PostmodernProph]

Wake up and smell the coffee. That is what you project.

I'm sorry you suck at receiving.....I do not hate gays......I used to be business partners with a gay couple......are you wrong about everything?......

It's what you project, whether you agree or not, or even like it or not. So suck it up, crybaby.

your perception on other matters is faulty, why should this be different.....

 

[PostmodernProph]

Sorry, a third choice is not available. See how that works?

no....because even after a second look I can see that you are not God......

I guess that went right over your head. Oh well...

you flatter yourself.......what you were attempting was obvious......it just wasn't accurate.......

 

[PostmodernProph]

Because god only saves the truly righteous, leaving you out in the cold, douchebag.

sorry, but I am a Christian......we believe that God saves any that ask for forgiveness.......perhaps that explains the other errors in your posts........you were referring to some other religion.........

So I guess you're waiting for the end of your life to repent, turn your life around and be a real Christian?

what you have described has nothing to do with Christianity.....it might be akin to Judaism or Islam which require personal righteousness......Christianity begins with a presumption that righteousness is only possible through the sanctification of Christ.....that is why your error is so obvious......