Is It Wrong to Think Homosexuality is a Sin?

[Bonzi]

I bet they would be if they ran around bragging about it and carrying a "cheaters flag"!

You bet they would be what? Born like it?

I bet they would be treated badly and people would protest against them.... but even today, people are not like Europeans yet, where it's acceptable to have a "side" mate...

What?

Actually, people ARE born as adulterers, we are not monogamous by nature.

And we are no longer ruled by our nature as you put it. We are in control of our actions. One can choose to be monogamous

One can also choose to abstain from sex with the same sex.
We all have sexual urges of varying kinds.
I'm not saying someone that is attracted to the same sex SHOULD abstain.
I'm saying that people who practice a religion that feels it is ungodly or counter-productive to society has the right to feel that way and express it.

 

[Skull Pilot]

You poor things, maybe tolerance would be a nice thing also, like Jesus taught, instead of homophobes which authored parts of the Bible...

Tolerance needs to be shown on ALL sides. Like, not sue if someone doesn't wanna bake a cake with two grooms on it. Instead of suing and FORCING them, go to a damn baker that wants their money! Common sense.

Tell me which is against our current laws?

Denying service or suing those that illegally deny service

We have these things called public accommodation laws and business are bound to follow them

Not in my book or in MY store. I pay the damn rent. I pay for the overhead. I have the right to refuse service to anyone. Period. And that is exactly how I ran my store.

So you got away with violating our laws count yourself lucky.

And you may have the right to refuse service but you do not have the right to do so simply because of sex, race, religious affiliation or sexual orientation and it's up to you to prove your reason for denying service if you are sued because of it

I got away with it because I had no schmucks come in my store.

Like I said count yourself lucky. And is it my understanding that you think gay people are all schmucks?

 

[Gracie]

Anyone know of any news stories of a christian going into a muslim cafe and demanding sausage or pork chops and when told they do not serve that and are refused, then SUE that cafe? I haven't heard of such a thing.

Again they are not being denied service. They could order anything else on the menu

Those bakers didn't deny service either. They said they would not bake a cake with two grooms on it, OR cater the wedding. Instead of saying ok and going to a baker that would love their business, they FORCED the baker to comply by SUING them. Now who was being intolerant?

 

[Moonglow]

Anyone know of any news stories of a christian going into a muslim cafe and demanding sausage or pork chops and when told they do not serve that and are refused, then SUE that cafe? I haven't heard of such a thing.

There is no shortage of frivolous lawsuits brought on by people looking to make a small pile of dough at someone else's expense..When rich folks buy out a broken man's possessions in hard times that is not taking advantage of the situation, it's getting a good deal...

 

[K9Buck]

... it shouldn't be a sin or against the law for either as long as no one is getting hurt or infringing on other people's right to exist..

I'll leave it to God to decide what is a sin, but I basically agree with you on the rest.

 

[Skull Pilot]

You bet they would be what? Born like it?

I bet they would be treated badly and people would protest against them.... but even today, people are not like Europeans yet, where it's acceptable to have a "side" mate...

What?

Actually, people ARE born as adulterers, we are not monogamous by nature.

And we are no longer ruled by our nature as you put it. We are in control of our actions. One can choose to be monogamous

One can also choose to abstain from sex with the same sex.
We all have sexual urges of varying kinds.
I'm not saying someone that is attracted to the same sex SHOULD abstain.
I'm saying that people who practice a religion that feels it is ungodly or counter-productive to society has the right to feel that way and express it.

They can feel and say whatever they want. It's the acting on their prejudices that run afoul of the law

 

[Bonzi]

I bet they would be if they ran around bragging about it and carrying a "cheaters flag"!

You bet they would be what? Born like it?

I bet they would be treated badly and people would protest against them.... but even today, people are not like Europeans yet, where it's acceptable to have a "side" mate...

What?

Actually, people ARE born as adulterers, we are not monogamous by nature.

And we are no longer ruled by our nature as you put it. We are in control of our actions. One can choose to be monogamous

You're joking right? How many people actually stay monogamous...? Not many, and it's not cause they are assholes....

 

[Moonglow]

You care for only half the involved parties

What? Which "half"? You think I don't like homosexuals?

How well do you like them?

 

[Taz]

Anyone know of any news stories of a christian going into a muslim cafe and demanding sausage or pork chops and when told they do not serve that and are refused, then SUE that cafe? I haven't heard of such a thing.

It's not a human right to stick a sausage in your mouth. In your case, it's only an obsession to stick sausages in your mouth.

 

[Gracie]

Tolerance needs to be shown on ALL sides. Like, not sue if someone doesn't wanna bake a cake with two grooms on it. Instead of suing and FORCING them, go to a damn baker that wants their money! Common sense.

Tell me which is against our current laws?

Denying service or suing those that illegally deny service

We have these things called public accommodation laws and business are bound to follow them

Not in my book or in MY store. I pay the damn rent. I pay for the overhead. I have the right to refuse service to anyone. Period. And that is exactly how I ran my store.

So you got away with violating our laws count yourself lucky.

And you may have the right to refuse service but you do not have the right to do so simply because of sex, race, religious affiliation or sexual orientation and it's up to you to prove your reason for denying service if you are sued because of it

I got away with it because I had no schmucks come in my store.

Like I said count yourself lucky. And is it my understanding that you think gay people are all schmucks?

Reread what I wrote. Or do I have to repost it? Very well. I will repost it. I am a fag hag. Hello? LOVE gays. Just don't agree with what they do but I still love them and consider them friends. They love me too. They just don't like my bitchiness I exhibit from time to time..and my persnicketyness.
AND, I want them to have the SAME RIGHTS married couple have. Just don't DEMAND it be called a marriage. Its a civil union contract that protects them. THAT is being TOLERANT.

 

[Moonglow]

You bet they would be what? Born like it?

I bet they would be treated badly and people would protest against them.... but even today, people are not like Europeans yet, where it's acceptable to have a "side" mate...

What?

Actually, people ARE born as adulterers, we are not monogamous by nature.

And we are no longer ruled by our nature as you put it. We are in control of our actions. One can choose to be monogamous

You're joking right? How many people actually stay monogamous...? Not many, and it's not cause they are assholes....

So you admit to you know, doing it...

 

[Bonzi]

I bet they would be treated badly and people would protest against them.... but even today, people are not like Europeans yet, where it's acceptable to have a "side" mate...

What?

Actually, people ARE born as adulterers, we are not monogamous by nature.

And we are no longer ruled by our nature as you put it. We are in control of our actions. One can choose to be monogamous

One can also choose to abstain from sex with the same sex.
We all have sexual urges of varying kinds.
I'm not saying someone that is attracted to the same sex SHOULD abstain.
I'm saying that people who practice a religion that feels it is ungodly or counter-productive to society has the right to feel that way and express it.

They can feel and say whatever they want. It's the acting on their prejudices that run afoul of the law

They don't like the law. they have a right to voice that as well.
And if they break a law, well, that's their choice as well, they would suffer the consequences...

 

[Skull Pilot]

Anyone know of any news stories of a christian going into a muslim cafe and demanding sausage or pork chops and when told they do not serve that and are refused, then SUE that cafe? I haven't heard of such a thing.

Again they are not being denied service. They could order anything else on the menu

Those bakers didn't deny service either. They said they would not bake a cake with two grooms on it, OR cater the wedding. Instead of saying ok and going to a baker that would love their business, they FORCED the baker to comply by SUING them. Now who was being intolerant?

They did deny service. They wouldn't even bake the cake if the gay couple supplied the top ornament

 

[Skull Pilot]

Tell me which is against our current laws?

Denying service or suing those that illegally deny service

We have these things called public accommodation laws and business are bound to follow them

Not in my book or in MY store. I pay the damn rent. I pay for the overhead. I have the right to refuse service to anyone. Period. And that is exactly how I ran my store.

So you got away with violating our laws count yourself lucky.

And you may have the right to refuse service but you do not have the right to do so simply because of sex, race, religious affiliation or sexual orientation and it's up to you to prove your reason for denying service if you are sued because of it

I got away with it because I had no schmucks come in my store.

Like I said count yourself lucky. And is it my understanding that you think gay people are all schmucks?

Reread what I wrote. Or do I have to repost it? Very well. I will repost it. I am a fag hag. Hello? LOVE gays. Just don't agree with what they do but I still love them and consider them friends. They love me too. They just don't like my bitchiness I exhibit from time to time..and my persnicketyness.

IGDAF if you're gay or not

 

[Taz]

You bet they would be what? Born like it?

I bet they would be treated badly and people would protest against them.... but even today, people are not like Europeans yet, where it's acceptable to have a "side" mate...

What?

Actually, people ARE born as adulterers, we are not monogamous by nature.

And we are no longer ruled by our nature as you put it. We are in control of our actions. One can choose to be monogamous

You're joking right? How many people actually stay monogamous...? Not many, and it's not cause they are assholes....

I banged enough broads before I met my wife, who is beautiful, so get a man who has already sowed his oats before trying to settle down with him.

 

[Gracie]

Anyone know of any news stories of a christian going into a muslim cafe and demanding sausage or pork chops and when told they do not serve that and are refused, then SUE that cafe? I haven't heard of such a thing.

It's not a human right to stick a sausage in your mouth. In your case, it's only an obsession to stick sausages in your mouth.

Now you are just being a dick. Or a sausage. Whatever.
Done with this. You're going to DEMAND I think as you do. Sorry, but not sorry. I will say and think as I wish and all the berating on your end will not change that fact.

 

[Bonzi]

I bet they would be treated badly and people would protest against them.... but even today, people are not like Europeans yet, where it's acceptable to have a "side" mate...

What?

Actually, people ARE born as adulterers, we are not monogamous by nature.

And we are no longer ruled by our nature as you put it. We are in control of our actions. One can choose to be monogamous

You're joking right? How many people actually stay monogamous...? Not many, and it's not cause they are assholes....

So you admit to you know, doing it...

.. shush!

 

[Skull Pilot]

What?

Actually, people ARE born as adulterers, we are not monogamous by nature.

And we are no longer ruled by our nature as you put it. We are in control of our actions. One can choose to be monogamous

One can also choose to abstain from sex with the same sex.
We all have sexual urges of varying kinds.
I'm not saying someone that is attracted to the same sex SHOULD abstain.
I'm saying that people who practice a religion that feels it is ungodly or counter-productive to society has the right to feel that way and express it.

They can feel and say whatever they want. It's the acting on their prejudices that run afoul of the law

They don't like the law. they have a right to voice that as well.
And if they break a law, well, that's their choice as well, they would suffer the consequences...

But they think because of their backwards religious views they should be allowed to break the laws

 

[Bonzi]

I bet they would be treated badly and people would protest against them.... but even today, people are not like Europeans yet, where it's acceptable to have a "side" mate...

What?

Actually, people ARE born as adulterers, we are not monogamous by nature.

And we are no longer ruled by our nature as you put it. We are in control of our actions. One can choose to be monogamous

You're joking right? How many people actually stay monogamous...? Not many, and it's not cause they are assholes....

I banged enough broads before I met my wife, who is beautiful, so get a man who has already sowed his oats before trying to settle down with him.

women cheat too, just sayin'

 

[Moonglow]

What?

Actually, people ARE born as adulterers, we are not monogamous by nature.

And we are no longer ruled by our nature as you put it. We are in control of our actions. One can choose to be monogamous

You're joking right? How many people actually stay monogamous...? Not many, and it's not cause they are assholes....

So you admit to you know, doing it...

.. shush!

I've shucked oysters also..

 

[K9Buck]

What do you think?

If you believe you have a right to believe this, and you are offended, is it OK to voice this?

I didn't support Gay Marriage because I don't believe governments should be in the business of defining what IS or ISN'T a marriage between two consenting adults. I think it sets a very dangerous precedent to establish legal marriage, sanctioned by government, on the basis of sexual proclivities..

I don't quite get that- since the government has been in the business of defining marriage for quite a long time before same sex couples wanted to be legally married too.

If you just oppose state controlled legal marriage- then oppose that- not just when it includes same gender couples.

I believe there is a difference between 'legal marriage' and 'religious marriage'. Some people just want the benefits from marriage (economic) while others want to make a vow to each other, their families, and their God if they so believe or choose AND have the legal advantages of marriage.

To me they can be two different things. The government doesn't care if you love each other or anything like that.... it's just a job to do.... another paper to file....

Yes, I want gays to have the same RIGHTS as a husband and wife but not under Gods law of man and woman SPIRITUALLY. Give them rights with MANS law so they are not cut off from those they love with things they bought and shared together as a couple. Just don't call it marriage. It isn't. Its a civil RIGHT. And should be. But also not force people of different faiths to be pc and say oh sure its ok when to them..its not.

That probably didn't make sense. It's the wee hours and my brain is shutting down. It made sense to me, so....there ya go!

Secular law is all we can, and should, give anyone. Let God judge from there. The whole "render unto Caesar...." thing.

I believe in God and I am frequently telling fellow believers to let secular society be secular. If Adam wants to "marry" Steve at the local courthouse, it's ok with me. I'm not affected in any way. Why should I care? Why should they care?

I will add that supposedly free people should be free to discriminate. If a bakery doesn't want to make a same-sex wedding cake, they should be free to deny service.