Is It Wrong to Think Homosexuality is a Sin?

[Divine Wind]

I believe there is a difference between 'legal marriage' and 'religious marriage'. Some people just want the benefits from marriage (economic) while others want to make a vow to each other, their families, and their God if they so believe or choose AND have the legal advantages of marriage.

To me they can be two different things. The government doesn't care if you love each other or anything like that.... it's just a job to do.... another paper to file....

Yes, I want gays to have the same RIGHTS as a husband and wife but not under Gods law of man and woman SPIRITUALLY. Give them rights with MANS law so they are not cut off from those they love with things they bought and shared together as a couple. Just don't call it marriage. It isn't. Its a civil RIGHT. And should be. But also not force people of different faiths to be pc and say oh sure its ok when to them..its not.

That probably didn't make sense. It's the wee hours and my brain is shutting down. It made sense to me, so....there ya go!

Secular law is all we can, and should, give anyone. Let God judge from there. The whole "render unto Caesar...." thing.

I believe in God and I am frequently telling fellow believers to let secular society be secular. If Adam wants to "marry" Steve at the local courthouse, it's ok with me. I'm not affected in any way. Why should I care? Why should they care?

I will add that supposedly free people should be free to discriminate. If a bakery doesn't want to make a same-sex wedding cake, they should be free to deny service.

Agreed on all points....although the "bakery" scenario can become complicated, I think there are ways to make everyone happy without trampling all over the rights of private citizens.

The "bakery scenario" is a farce
If it is a strict Christian bakery, its service should restrict service to all sins

Why produce a cake for a known adulterer or pregnant bride?
Both are sinful

Why is the only "sin" under consideration homosexuality?

So, besides wanting to set up an authoritarian Socialist state, you seek to force all religions to conform to your standards? Unsurprising.

It's the private bakery's, boutique, store, shop, etc, choice. There's better ways than dictatorship or force of law such as only giving small business loans and tax breaks to businesses which conform to a specific standard.

 

[Divine Wind]

Anyone besides me notice that Taz hasn't denied being a truck stop prostitute?

 

[rightwinger]

Yes, I want gays to have the same RIGHTS as a husband and wife but not under Gods law of man and woman SPIRITUALLY. Give them rights with MANS law so they are not cut off from those they love with things they bought and shared together as a couple. Just don't call it marriage. It isn't. Its a civil RIGHT. And should be. But also not force people of different faiths to be pc and say oh sure its ok when to them..its not.

That probably didn't make sense. It's the wee hours and my brain is shutting down. It made sense to me, so....there ya go!

Secular law is all we can, and should, give anyone. Let God judge from there. The whole "render unto Caesar...." thing.

I believe in God and I am frequently telling fellow believers to let secular society be secular. If Adam wants to "marry" Steve at the local courthouse, it's ok with me. I'm not affected in any way. Why should I care? Why should they care?

I will add that supposedly free people should be free to discriminate. If a bakery doesn't want to make a same-sex wedding cake, they should be free to deny service.

Agreed on all points....although the "bakery" scenario can become complicated, I think there are ways to make everyone happy without trampling all over the rights of private citizens.

The "bakery scenario" is a farce
If it is a strict Christian bakery, its service should restrict service to all sins

Why produce a cake for a known adulterer or pregnant bride?
Both are sinful

Why is the only "sin" under consideration homosexuality?

So, besides wanting to set up an authoritarian Socialist state, you seek to force all religions to conform to your standards? Unsurprising.

It's the private bakery's, boutique, store, shop, etc, choice. There's better ways than dictatorship or force of law such as only giving small business loans and tax breaks to businesses which conform to a specific standard.

I expect religions not to be hypocritical in how they choose to enforce morality

 

[K9Buck]

Secular law is all we can, and should, give anyone. Let God judge from there. The whole "render unto Caesar...." thing.

I believe in God and I am frequently telling fellow believers to let secular society be secular. If Adam wants to "marry" Steve at the local courthouse, it's ok with me. I'm not affected in any way. Why should I care? Why should they care?

I will add that supposedly free people should be free to discriminate. If a bakery doesn't want to make a same-sex wedding cake, they should be free to deny service.

Agreed on all points....although the "bakery" scenario can become complicated, I think there are ways to make everyone happy without trampling all over the rights of private citizens.

The "bakery scenario" is a farce
If it is a strict Christian bakery, its service should restrict service to all sins

Why produce a cake for a known adulterer or pregnant bride?
Both are sinful

Why is the only "sin" under consideration homosexuality?

So, besides wanting to set up an authoritarian Socialist state, you seek to force all religions to conform to your standards? Unsurprising.

It's the private bakery's, boutique, store, shop, etc, choice. There's better ways than dictatorship or force of law such as only giving small business loans and tax breaks to businesses which conform to a specific standard.

I expect religions not to be hypocritical in how they choose to enforce morality

Consistency is important.

 

[Divine Wind]

Secular law is all we can, and should, give anyone. Let God judge from there. The whole "render unto Caesar...." thing.

I believe in God and I am frequently telling fellow believers to let secular society be secular. If Adam wants to "marry" Steve at the local courthouse, it's ok with me. I'm not affected in any way. Why should I care? Why should they care?

I will add that supposedly free people should be free to discriminate. If a bakery doesn't want to make a same-sex wedding cake, they should be free to deny service.

Agreed on all points....although the "bakery" scenario can become complicated, I think there are ways to make everyone happy without trampling all over the rights of private citizens.

The "bakery scenario" is a farce
If it is a strict Christian bakery, its service should restrict service to all sins

Why produce a cake for a known adulterer or pregnant bride?
Both are sinful

Why is the only "sin" under consideration homosexuality?

So, besides wanting to set up an authoritarian Socialist state, you seek to force all religions to conform to your standards? Unsurprising.

It's the private bakery's, boutique, store, shop, etc, choice. There's better ways than dictatorship or force of law such as only giving small business loans and tax breaks to businesses which conform to a specific standard.

I expect religions not to be hypocritical in how they choose to enforce morality

Interesting that you've set yourself up to interpret Christianity for all the world's 2 billion Christians.

No doubt you'd outlaw a Christian from selling hot dogs and Shrimp Po'boys.

 

[Divine Wind]

I believe in God and I am frequently telling fellow believers to let secular society be secular. If Adam wants to "marry" Steve at the local courthouse, it's ok with me. I'm not affected in any way. Why should I care? Why should they care?

I will add that supposedly free people should be free to discriminate. If a bakery doesn't want to make a same-sex wedding cake, they should be free to deny service.

Agreed on all points....although the "bakery" scenario can become complicated, I think there are ways to make everyone happy without trampling all over the rights of private citizens.

The "bakery scenario" is a farce
If it is a strict Christian bakery, its service should restrict service to all sins

Why produce a cake for a known adulterer or pregnant bride?
Both are sinful

Why is the only "sin" under consideration homosexuality?

So, besides wanting to set up an authoritarian Socialist state, you seek to force all religions to conform to your standards? Unsurprising.

It's the private bakery's, boutique, store, shop, etc, choice. There's better ways than dictatorship or force of law such as only giving small business loans and tax breaks to businesses which conform to a specific standard.

I expect religions not to be hypocritical in how they choose to enforce morality

Consistency is important.

There's more than 9,000 Christian denominations. How do you plan to enforce "consistency"? The Spanish Inquisition?

World Christian Database - Denominations
The World Christian Database represents over 9,000 Christian denominations throughout the world. The data regarding denominations is reconciled against people groups and country of residence. Because of this, complex reports can be generated about people groups or countries based on hundreds of possible variables.

Major traditions represented:

• Anglicans
• Catholics
• Independents
• Marginals
• Orthodox
• Protestants
  
  
• Charismatics
• Neocharismatics
• Pentecostals

Each denomination is also coded by their membership of Christian World Communions and Christian councils at world, regional and national levels.

 

[rightwinger]

I believe in God and I am frequently telling fellow believers to let secular society be secular. If Adam wants to "marry" Steve at the local courthouse, it's ok with me. I'm not affected in any way. Why should I care? Why should they care?

I will add that supposedly free people should be free to discriminate. If a bakery doesn't want to make a same-sex wedding cake, they should be free to deny service.

Agreed on all points....although the "bakery" scenario can become complicated, I think there are ways to make everyone happy without trampling all over the rights of private citizens.

The "bakery scenario" is a farce
If it is a strict Christian bakery, its service should restrict service to all sins

Why produce a cake for a known adulterer or pregnant bride?
Both are sinful

Why is the only "sin" under consideration homosexuality?

So, besides wanting to set up an authoritarian Socialist state, you seek to force all religions to conform to your standards? Unsurprising.

It's the private bakery's, boutique, store, shop, etc, choice. There's better ways than dictatorship or force of law such as only giving small business loans and tax breaks to businesses which conform to a specific standard.

I expect religions not to be hypocritical in how they choose to enforce morality

Interesting that you've set yourself up to interpret Christianity for all the world's 2 billion Christians.

No doubt you'd outlaw a Christian from selling hot dogs and Shrimp Po'boys.

No, only for those who use their Christianity as a cover for their bigotry
Jesus does not want me to bake this cake

 

[Bonzi]

Secular law is all we can, and should, give anyone. Let God judge from there. The whole "render unto Caesar...." thing.

I believe in God and I am frequently telling fellow believers to let secular society be secular. If Adam wants to "marry" Steve at the local courthouse, it's ok with me. I'm not affected in any way. Why should I care? Why should they care?

I will add that supposedly free people should be free to discriminate. If a bakery doesn't want to make a same-sex wedding cake, they should be free to deny service.

Agreed on all points....although the "bakery" scenario can become complicated, I think there are ways to make everyone happy without trampling all over the rights of private citizens.

The "bakery scenario" is a farce
If it is a strict Christian bakery, its service should restrict service to all sins

Why produce a cake for a known adulterer or pregnant bride?
Both are sinful

Why is the only "sin" under consideration homosexuality?

So, besides wanting to set up an authoritarian Socialist state, you seek to force all religions to conform to your standards? Unsurprising.

It's the private bakery's, boutique, store, shop, etc, choice. There's better ways than dictatorship or force of law such as only giving small business loans and tax breaks to businesses which conform to a specific standard.

I expect religions not to be hypocritical in how they choose to enforce morality

You should go to a church. Another problem is different denominations believe different things within the Christian belief system

 

[Bonzi]

I believe there is a difference between 'legal marriage' and 'religious marriage'. Some people just want the benefits from marriage (economic) while others want to make a vow to each other, their families, and their God if they so believe or choose AND have the legal advantages of marriage.

To me they can be two different things. The government doesn't care if you love each other or anything like that.... it's just a job to do.... another paper to file....

Yes, I want gays to have the same RIGHTS as a husband and wife but not under Gods law of man and woman SPIRITUALLY. Give them rights with MANS law so they are not cut off from those they love with things they bought and shared together as a couple. Just don't call it marriage. It isn't. Its a civil RIGHT. And should be. But also not force people of different faiths to be pc and say oh sure its ok when to them..its not.

That probably didn't make sense. It's the wee hours and my brain is shutting down. It made sense to me, so....there ya go!

Secular law is all we can, and should, give anyone. Let God judge from there. The whole "render unto Caesar...." thing.

I believe in God and I am frequently telling fellow believers to let secular society be secular. If Adam wants to "marry" Steve at the local courthouse, it's ok with me. I'm not affected in any way. Why should I care? Why should they care?

I will add that supposedly free people should be free to discriminate. If a bakery doesn't want to make a same-sex wedding cake, they should be free to deny service.

Agreed on all points....although the "bakery" scenario can become complicated, I think there are ways to make everyone happy without trampling all over the rights of private citizens.

The "bakery scenario" is a farce
If it is a strict Christian bakery, its service should restrict service to all sins

Why produce a cake for a known adulterer or pregnant bride?
Both are sinful

Why is the only "sin" under consideration homosexuality?

It's not the Homosexuality, it's the marriage

 

[Bonzi]

I bet they would be if they ran around bragging about it and carrying a "cheaters flag"!

You bet they would be what? Born like it?

I bet they would be treated badly and people would protest against them.... but even today, people are not like Europeans yet, where it's acceptable to have a "side" mate...

What?

Actually, people ARE born as adulterers, we are not monogamous by nature.

Disagreed on being born adulterer. Marriage is a choice. Violating those vows is a choice.

More born to desire many people

 

[Skull Pilot]

Yes, I want gays to have the same RIGHTS as a husband and wife but not under Gods law of man and woman SPIRITUALLY. Give them rights with MANS law so they are not cut off from those they love with things they bought and shared together as a couple. Just don't call it marriage. It isn't. Its a civil RIGHT. And should be. But also not force people of different faiths to be pc and say oh sure its ok when to them..its not.

That probably didn't make sense. It's the wee hours and my brain is shutting down. It made sense to me, so....there ya go!

Secular law is all we can, and should, give anyone. Let God judge from there. The whole "render unto Caesar...." thing.

I believe in God and I am frequently telling fellow believers to let secular society be secular. If Adam wants to "marry" Steve at the local courthouse, it's ok with me. I'm not affected in any way. Why should I care? Why should they care?

I will add that supposedly free people should be free to discriminate. If a bakery doesn't want to make a same-sex wedding cake, they should be free to deny service.

Agreed on all points....although the "bakery" scenario can become complicated, I think there are ways to make everyone happy without trampling all over the rights of private citizens.

The "bakery scenario" is a farce
If it is a strict Christian bakery, its service should restrict service to all sins

Why produce a cake for a known adulterer or pregnant bride?
Both are sinful

Why is the only "sin" under consideration homosexuality?

It's not the Homosexuality, it's the marriage

Of course it's the homosexuality. These bigots don't care about sin other than the gay sin.

They will gladly make cakes for murderers, adulterers, thieves, rapists, etc. but if you're gay no way

 

[Divine Wind]

Agreed on all points....although the "bakery" scenario can become complicated, I think there are ways to make everyone happy without trampling all over the rights of private citizens.

The "bakery scenario" is a farce
If it is a strict Christian bakery, its service should restrict service to all sins

Why produce a cake for a known adulterer or pregnant bride?
Both are sinful

Why is the only "sin" under consideration homosexuality?

So, besides wanting to set up an authoritarian Socialist state, you seek to force all religions to conform to your standards? Unsurprising.

It's the private bakery's, boutique, store, shop, etc, choice. There's better ways than dictatorship or force of law such as only giving small business loans and tax breaks to businesses which conform to a specific standard.

I expect religions not to be hypocritical in how they choose to enforce morality

Interesting that you've set yourself up to interpret Christianity for all the world's 2 billion Christians.

No doubt you'd outlaw a Christian from selling hot dogs and Shrimp Po'boys.

No, only for those who use their Christianity as a cover for their bigotry
Jesus does not want me to bake this cake

So, besides setting yourself up to rule on all things Christian, you claim the power of mind-reading too. Fascinating how the Socialist Elite have so many powers. Too bad they can never get a country to work under Socialism.

 

[Divine Wind]

Secular law is all we can, and should, give anyone. Let God judge from there. The whole "render unto Caesar...." thing.

I believe in God and I am frequently telling fellow believers to let secular society be secular. If Adam wants to "marry" Steve at the local courthouse, it's ok with me. I'm not affected in any way. Why should I care? Why should they care?

I will add that supposedly free people should be free to discriminate. If a bakery doesn't want to make a same-sex wedding cake, they should be free to deny service.

Agreed on all points....although the "bakery" scenario can become complicated, I think there are ways to make everyone happy without trampling all over the rights of private citizens.

The "bakery scenario" is a farce
If it is a strict Christian bakery, its service should restrict service to all sins

Why produce a cake for a known adulterer or pregnant bride?
Both are sinful

Why is the only "sin" under consideration homosexuality?

It's not the Homosexuality, it's the marriage

Of course it's the homosexuality. These bigots don't care about sin other than the gay sin.

They will gladly make cakes for murderers, adulterers, thieves, rapists, etc. but if you're gay no way

Link?

 

[Divine Wind]

You bet they would be what? Born like it?

I bet they would be treated badly and people would protest against them.... but even today, people are not like Europeans yet, where it's acceptable to have a "side" mate...

What?

Actually, people ARE born as adulterers, we are not monogamous by nature.

Disagreed on being born adulterer. Marriage is a choice. Violating those vows is a choice.

More born to desire many people

A natural part of human sexuality, but again, adultery has to do with violating marriage vows, not promiscuity or fornication.

 

[Divine Wind]

I believe in God and I am frequently telling fellow believers to let secular society be secular. If Adam wants to "marry" Steve at the local courthouse, it's ok with me. I'm not affected in any way. Why should I care? Why should they care?

I will add that supposedly free people should be free to discriminate. If a bakery doesn't want to make a same-sex wedding cake, they should be free to deny service.

Agreed on all points....although the "bakery" scenario can become complicated, I think there are ways to make everyone happy without trampling all over the rights of private citizens.

The "bakery scenario" is a farce
If it is a strict Christian bakery, its service should restrict service to all sins

Why produce a cake for a known adulterer or pregnant bride?
Both are sinful

Why is the only "sin" under consideration homosexuality?

So, besides wanting to set up an authoritarian Socialist state, you seek to force all religions to conform to your standards? Unsurprising.

It's the private bakery's, boutique, store, shop, etc, choice. There's better ways than dictatorship or force of law such as only giving small business loans and tax breaks to businesses which conform to a specific standard.

I expect religions not to be hypocritical in how they choose to enforce morality

You should go to a church. Another problem is different denominations believe different things within the Christian belief system

He's an atheist and, like many militant atheists, he claims to be an expert on all religions, especially Christianity.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

"Sin" is a weird and fictional tool invented to relieve the gullible from at least 10% of their money. Religion divides people into US and THEM.

People certainly have the right to voice their opinions - like I just did ^^^ - And my opinion is that what consenting adults do is their business and I have no right to try to stop it.




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[Divine Wind]

"Sin" is a weird and fictional tool invented to relieve the gullible from at least 10% of their money. Religion divides people into US and THEM.

People certainly have the right to voice their opinions - like I just did ^^^ - And my opinion is that what consenting adults do is their business and I have no right to try to stop it.




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Awesome. So what is your plan to stamp out religion where both Stalin and Mao failed?

The key point here isn't being able to voice an opinion, but to be able to live as one desires without an all-powerful government dictating what to believe, how to live and what to think.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Anyone besides me notice that Taz hasn't denied being a truck stop prostitute?

Why should he?

And why is it your business?

A while back, I tried to make peace with you and you responded in much the same way as you are here. You really are a nasty person.


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[Luddly Neddite]

"Sin" is a weird and fictional tool invented to relieve the gullible from at least 10% of their money. Religion divides people into US and THEM.

People certainly have the right to voice their opinions - like I just did ^^^ - And my opinion is that what consenting adults do is their business and I have no right to try to stop it.




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Awesome. So what is your plan to stamp out religion where both Stalin and Mao failed?

The key point here isn't being able to voice an opinion, but to be able to live as one desires without an all-powerful government dictating what to believe, how to live and what to think.

"stamp out"?

I'm atheist and have no respect for organized religion but post a link to where I have ever even hinted that I want to "stamp out" religion.

I agree and have often said that within the limitation of "consensual adults", govt should have no power or say in our private and most intimate lives.

Marriage equality, abortion, suicide - MYOB


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[rightwinger]

I believe in God and I am frequently telling fellow believers to let secular society be secular. If Adam wants to "marry" Steve at the local courthouse, it's ok with me. I'm not affected in any way. Why should I care? Why should they care?

I will add that supposedly free people should be free to discriminate. If a bakery doesn't want to make a same-sex wedding cake, they should be free to deny service.

Agreed on all points....although the "bakery" scenario can become complicated, I think there are ways to make everyone happy without trampling all over the rights of private citizens.

The "bakery scenario" is a farce
If it is a strict Christian bakery, its service should restrict service to all sins

Why produce a cake for a known adulterer or pregnant bride?
Both are sinful

Why is the only "sin" under consideration homosexuality?

So, besides wanting to set up an authoritarian Socialist state, you seek to force all religions to conform to your standards? Unsurprising.

It's the private bakery's, boutique, store, shop, etc, choice. There's better ways than dictatorship or force of law such as only giving small business loans and tax breaks to businesses which conform to a specific standard.

I expect religions not to be hypocritical in how they choose to enforce morality

You should go to a church. Another problem is different denominations believe different things within the Christian belief system

How many Christian churches accept adultry is not a sin