Is Obama a liar?

[candycorn]

I see your problem. You have your head up your ass so much, you have no sense of reality. The GOP did not shut down the government. The GOP sent funding bill after funding bill to the senate who refused to even discuss them and Obama said he would veto them if the Senate passed them. They had funding in hand and said no. Harry and Barry shut down the government. That is the factual truth.

Obama is a walking clusterfuck and has been since 2008. He is a liar and a snake oil salesman and was reelected based on promised goodies. Now his chickens have come home to roost and even the complicit media is beginning to find it impossible to defend him.

So can you give me the HR that funded Obamacare at full levels last month? Simple request.

I don't blame you for wanting to counter the poster you're quoting but your response earns you no points in my book. It's kinda...... quibbling.

I mean, if you have something to say -- Say it.

Like, "Republicans didn't offer to fully fund obamacare so slap yo mama."

You come across as petty too often. Like you're 18 and a College sophomore. Intellectually advanced but emotionally immature.

Just sayin'

Me?

I admit to being a pain in the ass but I have no patience with willful stupidity.

You appear to have promise, so don't make me impatient with you. Please

I'll have to learn to live with your disappointment...

 

[candycorn]

Really? We've all made purchases we thought were a great deal only to learn later that they were not. The sad thing is that there are some people who still refuse to admit they got a lemon. Obama sucks and each day that passes proves it more and more.

The people could have "returned" Obama in 2012; instead they re-elected him. In the process, your President won nearly every contested state. When the GOP shut down the government over Obamacare, the people sided with Your President then as well.

Obama was, is, and always will be the superior choice to his opponents.

But he lied in this case. Sorry Grumps...I'm trying to keep it on track. I suggest posters keep their eye on the ball here, okay?

The people couldn't return Obama if they didn't know the truth. Obama lied. The Dem ocrats lied. The media lied. The people who tried to tell the truth were castigated by the media and threatened by the Obama administration.

If truth had been told, the extremes some people went to would never have happened. People react badly to lies and the negative energy snowballs.

Obama was not the superior choice in any election. He was the Orwellian choice. The one which shows how scared we should be for the future of our democratic ideals.

Cry us a river...
Obama is, was, and always will be the better choice over McCain and Romney.

Orwellian? Funny.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Too funny
Papa Obama knocked on incompetence by Jimmy Carter
who had gas lines, stagflation, the Iranian hostage crisis


On how he would evaluate the Obama presidency so far:

JC: “He’s done the best he could under the circumstances. His major accomplishment was Obamacare, and the implementation of it now is questionable at best.”​

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Now do your "Bush has been gone long time don't matter" act. I love that one

Why do you have to shit on every thread you post in? Why is that?

Can somebody get a Mod to bounce this douche-nozzle out of here. All he's doing is trying to deflect the topic, start a fight to get the thread moved and to disrupt the Board.

To me, that's trolling.

Or do we welcome trolls at the USMB?

I'm starting to think so.

I said Obama didn't lie unless you can prove he knew it was a lie. You Mad bro.

Yeah, you mad. Wipe those tears away

The administration knew three years ago that people would be losing their plan. Are you suggesting that Obama is so out of touch, that everyone around him knew but he didn't ?

 

[candycorn]

Really? We've all made purchases we thought were a great deal only to learn later that they were not. The sad thing is that there are some people who still refuse to admit they got a lemon. Obama sucks and each day that passes proves it more and more.

The people could have "returned" Obama in 2012; instead they re-elected him. In the process, your President won nearly every contested state. When the GOP shut down the government over Obamacare, the people sided with Your President then as well.

Obama was, is, and always will be the superior choice to his opponents.

But he lied in this case. Sorry Grumps...I'm trying to keep it on track. I suggest posters keep their eye on the ball here, okay?

The thing is though, if you replace "Under Obamacare, I promise, if you like your plan, you keep your plan" with "Under Obamacare, you may lose your current plan", in all of those speeches before Nov. of 2012, he may not be president right now.

Arguable...I doubt it though since the GOP plan was to do nothing except advise you not to get sick.

The Dems tried to make it into a sound-byte and they left out a bunch of details. The truth is that most people aren't ever going to get into the exchanges since we are primarily employer based.

For those in the exchanges, most are finding better healthcare at cheaper rates. There are some who are finding their costs going up. For both in this category though, Obama didn't tell the truth; he lied when he said you could keep your piss poor insurance that doesn't measure up to the ACA standard. That was dishonesty on his part.

As for swinging 5 million votes across 11 states...not a chance.

 

[candycorn]

It s not a lie if you believe it - YouTube

That was the Bush Mantra. Rumsfeld didn't lie, he believed it!

Compared to the CIA cooking intel that lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths and injuries and costs into the billions if not trillions; Obama's lie is miniscule.

 

[Edgetho]

So can you give me the HR that funded Obamacare at full levels last month? Simple request.

I don't blame you for wanting to counter the poster you're quoting but your response earns you no points in my book. It's kinda...... quibbling.

I mean, if you have something to say -- Say it.

Like, "Republicans didn't offer to fully fund obamacare so slap yo mama."

You come across as petty too often. Like you're 18 and a College sophomore. Intellectually advanced but emotionally immature.

Just sayin'

Me?

I admit to being a pain in the ass but I have no patience with willful stupidity.

You appear to have promise, so don't make me impatient with you. Please

I'll have to learn to live with your disappointment...

You're only hurting yourself, Candy.

I've been on this planet a long time. A long time. And I can tell you, you're headed for some major disappointments in life.

Because liberalism isn't a political choice, it's a lifestyle. A twisted one.

You'll see. Hopefully before it's too late.

 

[Edgetho]

It s not a lie if you believe it - YouTube

That was the Bush Mantra. Rumsfeld didn't lie, he believed it!

Compared to the CIA cooking intel that lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths and injuries and costs into the billions if not trillions; Obama's lie is miniscule.

I think I know the disappointment a psychiatrist feels when he thinks one of his patients is making progress and then she slips back into psychosis again.

You just can't help it, can you?

Sad

 

[kwc57]

So can you give me the HR that funded Obamacare at full levels last month? Simple request.

Simple answer. It doesn't exist. House Republicans knew from the get go that this was a clsterfuck of an entitlement power grab and were using every means at their disposale to stop it so it wouldn't do the long term damage that we are just beginning to scratch the surface on. It is why many representatives were elected by their constituents. Beyond Obamacare, the rest of the government was funded. But Harry and Barry are all or nothing, my way or the highway kind of guys and chose to shut the government down over one item that could have easily been negotiated if they were willing to deal. They were not. We shut down. Thank Harry and Barry.

It was explained to you over and over at the time, that is not how our system works... A lot of people don't like tanks...should we not have them? The EPA? The Air Force?

Sorry but you're inventing a form of government that doesn't exist.

Constitutionally, the house holds the purse strings. I'm not surprised that a liberal thinks the house was inventing another form of government what with Obama's constant whining and carping and the media running cover for him. For your edification. Power of the Purse | US House of Representatives: History, Art & Archives

 

[TRFjr]

Pre ACA passage: If you like your health plan you can keep it.

Post ACA: You will be getting a better plan.



The answer is obvious.


This is his bill so don't give me that he didn't know bs.

Wake the fuck up America. Vote Republican or independent and insist that this disaster gets overturned.

And yes fake Jake I know it's the law of the land FOR NOW

Lie
A lie is a false statement to a person or group made by another person or group who knows it is not the whole truth, intentionally

there is no doubt Obama is a liar and anyone who says different needs to have their mental health questioned

the Obama worshipers on this forum are worse of than the Jim Jones cult members and they need to be saved before they drink any more of the Kool-Aide and keel over

Come to think of it. it is to late for them they are to far gone if they don't think he lied and it is best to let them keep drinking so to save us from their insanity

 

[Neotrotsky]

Pre ACA passage: If you like your health plan you can keep it.

Post ACA: You will be getting a better plan.



The answer is obvious.


This is his bill so don't give me that he didn't know bs.

Wake the fuck up America. Vote Republican or independent and insist that this disaster gets overturned.

And yes fake Jake I know it's the law of the land FOR NOW

It is going to hurt millions of Americans

Yahoo
How Obama Overlooked 10 Million Americans Who Could Lose Health Insurance

We may now know what the most devastating statement of Barack Obama’s presidency is going to be: “If you like it, you can keep it.”​

But Obama and his advisers obviously failed to anticipate the uproar that would occur as people expecting no change to their insurance began to open notices from their carriers explaining their policies were being canceled. The abrupt nature of the cancellations surely hasn’t helped either, especially since Obama was insistent about coverage remaining intact for those who want it. On top of that, people losing individual coverage who want to find replacement coverage through an exchange must now navigate a broken-down website and a bumbling bureaucracy that makes the DMV look good.


We may now know what the most devastating statement of Barack Obama’s presidency is going to be: “If you like it, you can keep it.”​

 

[Neotrotsky]

Pre ACA passage: If you like your health plan you can keep it.

Post ACA: You will be getting a better plan.



The answer is obvious.


This is his bill so don't give me that he didn't know bs.

Wake the fuck up America. Vote Republican or independent and insist that this disaster gets overturned.

And yes fake Jake I know it's the law of the land FOR NOW

Lie
A lie is a false statement to a person or group made by another person or group who knows it is not the whole truth, intentionally

there is no doubt Obama is a liar and anyone who says different needs to have their mental health questioned

the Obama worshipers on this forum are worse of than the Jim Jones cult members and they need to be saved before they drink any more of the Kool-Aide and keel over

Come to think of it. it is to late for them they are to far gone if they don't think he lied and it is best to let them keep drinking so to save us from their insanity

Jim Jones, indeed

 

[Jarhead]

It s not a lie if you believe it - YouTube

That was the Bush Mantra. Rumsfeld didn't lie, he believed it!

Compared to the CIA cooking intel that lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths and injuries and costs into the billions if not trillions; Obama's lie is miniscule.

The CIA cooking intel is something that was alleged but not only never proven, but no evidence was uncovered that even suggested it.

You know....like the CIA lied to Nancy Pelosi about waterboarding.

Obama's lies are easily proven.....

Unless you follow the old comeback of "don't believe your eyes. Just believe what I tell you"

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Now do your "Bush has been gone long time don't matter" act. I love that one

Why do you have to shit on every thread you post in? Why is that?

Can somebody get a Mod to bounce this douche-nozzle out of here. All he's doing is trying to deflect the topic, start a fight to get the thread moved and to disrupt the Board.

To me, that's trolling.

Or do we welcome trolls at the USMB?

I'm starting to think so.

I said Obama didn't lie unless you can prove he knew it was a lie. You Mad bro.

Yeah, you mad. Wipe those tears away

How could he not know?

But let's say he didn't know. Then that highlights his utter incompetence and his clear lack of executive experience.

Either way it's not good leadership.

 

[Amelia]

I keep making the mistake of calling Obama a liar when I don't know how much he knows about the truth.

He is fundamentally dishonest -- in the running for the most dishonest American politician alive -- but how much is a "lie"?

His words are so disconnected from the truth that they follow a completely separate track. What he presents to us through his speeches is a fantasy spun in an accountability-free vacuum. It crosses the path of the truth so seldom that there may not even be enough opportunities for cognitive dissonance for him to even have a clue about how false what he says is.

 

[MACAULAY]

He is a bald faced liar (and a Socialist).

But its justified.

Us folks in the Heartland of America are too stupid to know what's good for us.

The elitists in Washington and Chicago and New York are intelligent and they know what's good for us, and too help keep us from doing harm to ourselves, and finding us unable to understand the truth...lies become necessary.

It is for our own good.

And so my 58 year old neighbor has to lose her shitty insurance, for her own good. It is shitty because it does not provide maternity insurance. The good one...the one that Washington approves of... costs more...but hey...its got maternity insurance.

 

[TRFjr]

Now do your "Bush has been gone long time don't matter" act. I love that one

Why do you have to shit on every thread you post in? Why is that?

Can somebody get a Mod to bounce this douche-nozzle out of here. All he's doing is trying to deflect the topic, start a fight to get the thread moved and to disrupt the Board.

To me, that's trolling.

Or do we welcome trolls at the USMB?

I'm starting to think so.

I said Obama didn't lie unless you can prove he knew it was a lie. You Mad bro.

Yeah, you mad. Wipe those tears away

Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance

President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.

This story has been republished here

Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC NEWS that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”

None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered.

Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”

That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them.

Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.”

“This says that when they made the promise, they knew half the people in this market outright couldn’t keep what they had and then they wrote the rules so that others couldn’t make it either,” said Robert Laszewski, of Health Policy and Strategy Associates, a consultant who works for health industry firms. Laszewski estimates that 80 percent of those in the individual market will not be able to keep their current policies and will have to buy insurance that meets requirements of the new law, which generally requires a richer package of benefits than most policies today.

Obama admin. knew millions could not keep their health insurance - Investigations

pull you liberal ideologue sycophant head out of your ass and educate your self click on something other than the Huff and Puff post and you might actually learn something and wont be constantly making a fool out of your self

 

[TRFjr]

Pre ACA passage: If you like your health plan you can keep it.

Post ACA: You will be getting a better plan.



The answer is obvious.


This is his bill so don't give me that he didn't know bs.

Wake the fuck up America. Vote Republican or independent and insist that this disaster gets overturned.

And yes fake Jake I know it's the law of the land FOR NOW

It is going to hurt millions of Americans

Yahoo
How Obama Overlooked 10 Million Americans Who Could Lose Health Insurance

We may now know what the most devastating statement of Barack Obama’s presidency is going to be: “If you like it, you can keep it.”​

But Obama and his advisers obviously failed to anticipate the uproar that would occur as people expecting no change to their insurance began to open notices from their carriers explaining their policies were being canceled. The abrupt nature of the cancellations surely hasn’t helped either, especially since Obama was insistent about coverage remaining intact for those who want it. On top of that, people losing individual coverage who want to find replacement coverage through an exchange must now navigate a broken-down website and a bumbling bureaucracy that makes the DMV look good.


We may now know what the most devastating statement of Barack Obama’s presidency is going to be: “If you like it, you can keep it.”​

have you not herd the news it will be up to 93 million by the end of 2014 one third of the voting age population

Obama Officials In 2010: 93 Million Americans Will Be Unable To Keep Their Health Plans Under Obamacare
“The Departments’ mid-range estimate is that 66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013,” wrote the administration on page 34552. All in all, more than half of employer-sponsored plans will lose their “grandfather status” and get canceled. According to the Congressional Budget Office, 156 million Americans—more than half the population—was covered by employer-sponsored insurance in 2013.

Obama Officials In 2010: 93 Million Americans Will Be Unable To Keep Their Health Plans Under Obamacare - Forbes

 

[Jarhead]

Now do your "Bush has been gone long time don't matter" act. I love that one

Why do you have to shit on every thread you post in? Why is that?

Can somebody get a Mod to bounce this douche-nozzle out of here. All he's doing is trying to deflect the topic, start a fight to get the thread moved and to disrupt the Board.

To me, that's trolling.

Or do we welcome trolls at the USMB?

I'm starting to think so.

I said Obama didn't lie unless you can prove he knew it was a lie. You Mad bro.

Yeah, you mad. Wipe those tears away

Lets put it this way.

We know for a fact he was told.

We all saw it.

The GOP continually said (paraphrased)

"if insurers are forced to adhere to the mandates of the ACA, then millions of people will be forced to drop their current policies"

If you recall...it was THAT warning that prompted Obama to start with his

"if you like your policy, you can keep your policy"

So we know he was warned about it...

So either he lied or he refused to find out if what the GOP was saying was true.

But....

If he didn't know it was true then he did not know what was in the law he signed.

Which one is it?

 

[TRFjr]

It s not a lie if you believe it - YouTube

That was the Bush Mantra. Rumsfeld didn't lie, he believed it!

Compared to the CIA cooking intel that lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths and injuries and costs into the billions if not trillions; Obama's lie is miniscule.

OMFG get over it. it has been 5 years what do you want to do drag Bush back into office so you can impeach him

Do you liberals have any other cards in you deck other than the race card and the Bush card

It is getting very old, tiresome, childish and just makes you out to be a desperate fool with the constant Bush card being pulled