Israel steps up home demolitions to punish Palestinian attackers

[Phoenall]

The Geneva conventions are extremely clear on this one. Combatants are not refugees, nor is anyone suspected of assisting in any way combatants. And under the Geneva conventions it is perfectly legal to deport combatants to either a neutral third country, or to their nation of origin, in this case Jordan

Or to put them in prison for life. or demolish their homes as they will have been used for terrorist/military actions.

 

[Phoenall]

The Geneva conventions are extremely clear on this one...

Yup, article 33, part III, Geneva IV. Look it up.

This one



Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
Individual responsibility, collective penalties, pillage, reprisals

• 
  ARTICLE 33 [ Link ]
  
  No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.
  Pillage is prohibited.
  Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited.

They are no longer civilians once they engage in terrorist actions so this does not apply as they are no longer protected persons.


Want to try again as this comes into play



Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
Prohibited destruction

• 
  ARTICLE 53 [ Link ]
  
  Any destruction by the Occupying Power of real or personal property belonging individually or collectively to private persons, or to the State, or to other public authorities, or to social or cooperative organizations, is prohibited, except where such destruction is rendered absolutely necessary by military operations.

 

[Phoenall]

Your posts are demolishing this thread.

He got banned for it,the prick

But you ALLOWED it.
And if he or she is the type of person you associate with, then I can understand your postings on any given topic concerning Israel.
By the way, how does an Individual using YOUR account get banned?

YAWN

Sure, that's why your initial response was the "F" word.
At least now we know where you are REALLY coming from in spite of your attempts to APPEAR rational.

As a slight but important diversion Indie.....Why is it that the Israeli Government don't have the Balls to Extradite a School Principal of the Orthodox Adass Israel College in Melbourne,the infamous "Malka Leifer" who SEXUALLY MOLESTED over 70 young female students over a 20 year period,who was squirreled out of Australia 15 months ago????? helped to evade justice by the Orthodox School Board,who employed her.

For 12 months now the Australian Government have been trying to extradite her to face 110 SEXUAL ABUSE charges,this woman is presently living in Bnei Brak an Ultra Orthodox enclave in central Israel under house arrest.......Everytime she is requested to attend the Jerusalem District Court,she feins sic PANIC ATTACKS or on other occasions,mental health issues (This serial sex offender/Paedophile,thought nothing of the anguish of her victims of course).

The victim advocates(both Israeli and Australian) have called on the court to hear the application at Ms Leifer's home or via video link to avoid "THE STRESS" of appearing in a court room........all to no avail,as this woman and others just exploit legal loopholes to avoid extradition........

Head of the Israeli National Council for the Child,.....Yitzhak Kadman warned that Israel could become a haven for Jewish Paedophiles fleeing authorities in other jurisdictions if the Leifer extradition is thrown out of court.The J.D.Court will decide on the extradition next month.!!!!

This woman well Paedophile actually......amazingly has 8 children of her own !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We will await how the JDCourt performs on this situation.......here theOrthodox School Board of Directors and others cannot leave the country(BIG SMILE) and will be dealt with..........as they were all knowing of the situation.....they hopefully receive long prison sentences.........but we want "Leifer" back so the Orthodox Girls can have justice in what is a fairly closed community,.......steve

Off topic deflection when you are losing the argument again

 

[Phoenall]

None of the above support the idea that Israel is held to the same standards as the rest of the world.

The Zionist Paradise holds itself to a higher standard than the rest of the world, so the rest of the world judges it by it's own standards, i.e. IDF= "The most moral army in the world"

Sorry, nobody can compete with the Palestinian Islamist paradise of 72 virgins for every Jihadi terrorist.

Another Rude-ee myth.

Actually an Islamic myth as the original was 72 raisins, and a fly landed on the document which was killed by the scribe altering the term to virgin.

 

[Lipush]

Because Isrselis aren't the ones attacking? Israel enforces its laws and those who violate it are punished, Palestinians on the other hand idolize mass murderers and terrorists.

You want to say that again?

Stabbing pictures is all Jews do,

Palestinians prefer living flesh.

So yeah, let's say that again

 

[Lipush]

Even paying with his-own blood and death did not satisfy the Israeli Authorities as enough punishment for his suicidal attack, Israel still needed more blood in the form of demolishing his innocent families home. No trial just revenge, revenge that never heals the pain for either Jew or Muslim...End the occupation.


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JERUSALEM — On Oct. 13, Ala’a Abu Jamal, a Palestinian Israeli employed by Israel’s national telephone company, rammed his company car into a Jerusalem bus stop, got out and stabbed to death a 60-year-old rabbi. Abu Jamal was shot dead at the scene.

A week earlier, Israeli military forces blew up the home of Abu Jamal’s neighbor and cousin, Ghassan, who, with another relative, had attacked a Jerusalem synagogue in November 2014, killing six Israelis.

Abu Jamal, a 33-year-old father of three, tried to stop the soldiers from destroying his cousin’s home but instead was beaten and humiliated, said his father, Daoud.

“They broke his ribs and bruised him badly,” he said. “He took sick leave from work and that was when he decided to carry out the attack.”

Abu Jamal’s explanation for his son’s violent act challenges a recently revived Israeli government policy of demolishing the homes of Palestinian assailants to deter future attacks.


[Israelis are calling attacks a ‘new kind of Palestinian terrorism’]

More than three months of violent assaults by Palestinians against Israelis show no signs of abating. Twenty-four Israelis have been killed; more than 140 Palestinians have been killed carrying out attacks or were shot by Israeli forces during clashes.

Now, Israel appears to be stepping up its punitive response by fast-tracking the demolition of homes where the attackers lived. In the past two weeks, three Palestinian homes in Jerusalem and the occupied West Bank have been destroyed by the military. Many more have been

So basically, all the Israelis are allowed to do is be stabbed, and say "Amen".

You know what? f*** the Palestinians, f*** the sympathizers, and **** you too.

No have a trial and sentencing.

No. The house dmolishing is a preventing punishment.

 

[Penelope]

Even paying with his-own blood and death did not satisfy the Israeli Authorities as enough punishment for his suicidal attack, Israel still needed more blood in the form of demolishing his innocent families home. No trial just revenge, revenge that never heals the pain for either Jew or Muslim...End the occupation.


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JERUSALEM — On Oct. 13, Ala’a Abu Jamal, a Palestinian Israeli employed by Israel’s national telephone company, rammed his company car into a Jerusalem bus stop, got out and stabbed to death a 60-year-old rabbi. Abu Jamal was shot dead at the scene.

A week earlier, Israeli military forces blew up the home of Abu Jamal’s neighbor and cousin, Ghassan, who, with another relative, had attacked a Jerusalem synagogue in November 2014, killing six Israelis.

Abu Jamal, a 33-year-old father of three, tried to stop the soldiers from destroying his cousin’s home but instead was beaten and humiliated, said his father, Daoud.

“They broke his ribs and bruised him badly,” he said. “He took sick leave from work and that was when he decided to carry out the attack.”

Abu Jamal’s explanation for his son’s violent act challenges a recently revived Israeli government policy of demolishing the homes of Palestinian assailants to deter future attacks.


[Israelis are calling attacks a ‘new kind of Palestinian terrorism’]

More than three months of violent assaults by Palestinians against Israelis show no signs of abating. Twenty-four Israelis have been killed; more than 140 Palestinians have been killed carrying out attacks or were shot by Israeli forces during clashes.

Now, Israel appears to be stepping up its punitive response by fast-tracking the demolition of homes where the attackers lived. In the past two weeks, three Palestinian homes in Jerusalem and the occupied West Bank have been destroyed by the military. Many more have been

So basically, all the Israelis are allowed to do is be stabbed, and say "Amen".

You know what? f*** the Palestinians, f*** the sympathizers, and **** you too.

No have a trial and sentencing.

No. The house dmolishing is a preventing punishment.

How is that? Israel does this to not only build more settlements, but also to rile and stir up unrest with the Palestinians, and so they then can declare, the Palestinians did this and that. Look at what we have to put up with, we are constantly under attack.

Its calling stealing, but then again Israel is communist, calling themselves a democracy of which is not true. The wealthy in your country pull all the shots and you have no word to say in any of it, same as us foolish Americans, the rich rule. I feel as bad for you almost as much as I feel for the Palestinians who really get the raft of God, the Israel régime. Its like the Israelite government is pretending like its the people in the OT and doing the same thing.

 

[Indeependent]

Your posts are demolishing this thread.

He got banned for it,the prick

But you ALLOWED it.
And if he or she is the type of person you associate with, then I can understand your postings on any given topic concerning Israel.
By the way, how does an Individual using YOUR account get banned?

YAWN

Sure, that's why your initial response was the "F" word.
At least now we know where you are REALLY coming from in spite of your attempts to APPEAR rational.

Who said I was rational......I will take that as a personal Insult Indie.............In you there is a spark of cleverness.........improve on that and lower the crap level and things could change for the better.......steve

I thought about what happened the last couple of days and I am seeing you clearer than ever.
That person you "banned" was your son or daughter.
You ability to be perceived as "rational" has been belied by the true eyes through which a child perceives a parent.
You child is as poisoned as you are but does a use to filter to hide it.
You thus see the demolitions as isolated acts of Zionist Racism, but NOT the context in which they occur, and your child is proof that the damage of hatred has created a situation which can only be solved by moving the Jordanians to Jordan.

 

[pbel]

Even paying with his-own blood and death did not satisfy the Israeli Authorities as enough punishment for his suicidal attack, Israel still needed more blood in the form of demolishing his innocent families home. No trial just revenge, revenge that never heals the pain for either Jew or Muslim...End the occupation.
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JERUSALEM — On Oct. 13, Ala’a Abu Jamal, a Palestinian Israeli employed by Israel’s national telephone company, rammed his company car into a Jerusalem bus stop, got out and stabbed to death a 60-year-old rabbi. Abu Jamal was shot dead at the scene.

A week earlier, Israeli military forces blew up the home of Abu Jamal’s neighbor and cousin, Ghassan, who, with another relative, had attacked a Jerusalem synagogue in November 2014, killing six Israelis.

Abu Jamal, a 33-year-old father of three, tried to stop the soldiers from destroying his cousin’s home but instead was beaten and humiliated, said his father, Daoud.

“They broke his ribs and bruised him badly,” he said. “He took sick leave from work and that was when he decided to carry out the attack.”

Abu Jamal’s explanation for his son’s violent act challenges a recently revived Israeli government policy of demolishing the homes of Palestinian assailants to deter future attacks.


[Israelis are calling attacks a ‘new kind of Palestinian terrorism’]

More than three months of violent assaults by Palestinians against Israelis show no signs of abating. Twenty-four Israelis have been killed; more than 140 Palestinians have been killed carrying out attacks or were shot by Israeli forces during clashes.

Now, Israel appears to be stepping up its punitive response by fast-tracking the demolition of homes where the attackers lived. In the past two weeks, three Palestinian homes in Jerusalem and the occupied West Bank have been destroyed by the military. Many more have been

They know the law and what will happen if they engage in terrorist military action. Israel is carrying out the punishment allowed by the Geneva conventions and so are within the bounds of International law. The Palestinians are making propaganda out of these actions as if they are illegal or against international law, and you are fanning the flames of RACISM and INTOLERANCE by making the same claims.

perhaps you can show us the law that says its OK to shoot and kill and home demolitions for family members in the Geneva convections.

Frankly I think you're nuts!

 

[Indeependent]

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JERUSALEM — On Oct. 13, Ala’a Abu Jamal, a Palestinian Israeli employed by Israel’s national telephone company, rammed his company car into a Jerusalem bus stop, got out and stabbed to death a 60-year-old rabbi. Abu Jamal was shot dead at the scene.

A week earlier, Israeli military forces blew up the home of Abu Jamal’s neighbor and cousin, Ghassan, who, with another relative, had attacked a Jerusalem synagogue in November 2014, killing six Israelis.

Abu Jamal, a 33-year-old father of three, tried to stop the soldiers from destroying his cousin’s home but instead was beaten and humiliated, said his father, Daoud.

“They broke his ribs and bruised him badly,” he said. “He took sick leave from work and that was when he decided to carry out the attack.”

Abu Jamal’s explanation for his son’s violent act challenges a recently revived Israeli government policy of demolishing the homes of Palestinian assailants to deter future attacks.


[Israelis are calling attacks a ‘new kind of Palestinian terrorism’]

More than three months of violent assaults by Palestinians against Israelis show no signs of abating. Twenty-four Israelis have been killed; more than 140 Palestinians have been killed carrying out attacks or were shot by Israeli forces during clashes.

Now, Israel appears to be stepping up its punitive response by fast-tracking the demolition of homes where the attackers lived. In the past two weeks, three Palestinian homes in Jerusalem and the occupied West Bank have been destroyed by the military. Many more have been

They know the law and what will happen if they engage in terrorist military action. Israel is carrying out the punishment allowed by the Geneva conventions and so are within the bounds of International law. The Palestinians are making propaganda out of these actions as if they are illegal or against international law, and you are fanning the flames of RACISM and INTOLERANCE by making the same claims.

perhaps you can show us the law that says its OK to shoot and kill and home demolitions for family members in the Geneva convections.

Frankly I think you're nuts!

Please tell me you typed that really fast.

 

[Boston1]

Its actually very basic.

The palestinians are a mix of combatants refugees and as such their treatment falls under the Geneva conventions. Which reverts the issues of punitive action back to the Israeli courts.

The part so many expressing the false narative seem to forget is that once a refugee commits a terrorist act, is suspected of committing a terrorist act or assists in commiting a terrorist act that person forfeits their refugee status and once captured, becomes a prisoner of war.

III Geneva Convention

• • ARTICLE 82
  • A prisoner of war shall be subject to the laws, regulations and orders in force in the armed forces of the Detaining Power; the Detaining Power shall be justified in taking judicial or disciplinary measures in respect of any offence committed by a prisoner of war against such laws, regulations or orders. However, no proceedings or punishments contrary to the provisions of this Chapter shall be allowed.
  • If any law, regulation or order of the Detaining Power shall declare acts committed by a prisoner of war to be punishable, whereas the same acts would not be punishable if committed by a member of the forces of the Detaining Power, such acts shall entail disciplinary punishments only.
• 
  
• 
  
• ARTICLE 84
• A prisoner of war shall be tried only by a military court, unless the existing laws of the Detaining Power expressly permit the civil courts to try a member of the armed forces of the Detaining Power in respect of the particular offence alleged to have been committed by the prisoner of war.
• In no circumstances whatever shall a prisoner of war be tried by a court of any kind which does not offer the essential guarantees of independence and impartiality as generally recognized, and, in particular, the procedure of which does not afford the accused the rights and means of defence provided for in Article 105

 

[pbel]

Its actually very basic.

The palestinians are a mix of combatants refugees and as such their treatment falls under the Geneva conventions. Which reverts the issues of punitive action back to the Israeli courts.

The part so many expressing the false narative seem to forget is that once a refugee commits a terrorist act, is suspected of committing a terrorist act or assists in commiting a terrorist act that person forfeits their refugee status and once captured, becomes a prisoner of war.

III Geneva Convention

• • ARTICLE 82
  • A prisoner of war shall be subject to the laws, regulations and orders in force in the armed forces of the Detaining Power; the Detaining Power shall be justified in taking judicial or disciplinary measures in respect of any offence committed by a prisoner of war against such laws, regulations or orders. However, no proceedings or punishments contrary to the provisions of this Chapter shall be allowed.
  • If any law, regulation or order of the Detaining Power shall declare acts committed by a prisoner of war to be punishable, whereas the same acts would not be punishable if committed by a member of the forces of the Detaining Power, such acts shall entail disciplinary punishments only.
• 
  
• 
  
• ARTICLE 84
• A prisoner of war shall be tried only by a military court, unless the existing laws of the Detaining Power expressly permit the civil courts to try a member of the armed forces of the Detaining Power in respect of the particular offence alleged to have been committed by the prisoner of war.
• In no circumstances whatever shall a prisoner of war be tried by a court of any kind which does not offer the essential guarantees of independence and impartiality as generally recognized, and, in particular, the procedure of which does not afford the accused the rights and means of defence provided for in Article 105

where does it say that innocent family members lose their houses?

 

[Roudy]

None of the above support the idea that Israel is held to the same standards as the rest of the world.

The Zionist Paradise holds itself to a higher standard than the rest of the world, so the rest of the world judges it by it's own standards, i.e. IDF= "The most moral army in the world"

Sorry, nobody can compete with the Palestinian Islamist paradise of 72 virgins for every Jihadi terrorist.

Another Rude-ee myth.

No myth, mentally challenged sock of Monte. They like all Islamic terrorist's believe in the 72 virgins. Besides, why worry about your home being bulldozed when you have all these virgin Virginians Mohammad promised you in paradise?

Yeah, that proves you know nothing about Islam or Arabic. Here's Lesley Hazelton giving an unbiased talk for the widely respected TED organisation.

Watch and listen, you might learn something, but I won't hold my breath.

Do I care?! These are Muslim Palestinian animals carrying out their acts clearly claiming that their religion promises them virgins in heaven. Are you saying that these devout Muslims don't know what they're talking about, idiot? My question is why are you so concerned about their bulldozed homes when you should be happy that they're bopping those eternal virgins?

 

[Roudy]

Its actually very basic.

The palestinians are a mix of combatants refugees and as such their treatment falls under the Geneva conventions. Which reverts the issues of punitive action back to the Israeli courts.

The part so many expressing the false narative seem to forget is that once a refugee commits a terrorist act, is suspected of committing a terrorist act or assists in commiting a terrorist act that person forfeits their refugee status and once captured, becomes a prisoner of war.

III Geneva Convention

• • ARTICLE 82
  • A prisoner of war shall be subject to the laws, regulations and orders in force in the armed forces of the Detaining Power; the Detaining Power shall be justified in taking judicial or disciplinary measures in respect of any offence committed by a prisoner of war against such laws, regulations or orders. However, no proceedings or punishments contrary to the provisions of this Chapter shall be allowed.
  • If any law, regulation or order of the Detaining Power shall declare acts committed by a prisoner of war to be punishable, whereas the same acts would not be punishable if committed by a member of the forces of the Detaining Power, such acts shall entail disciplinary punishments only.
• 
  
• 
  
• ARTICLE 84
• A prisoner of war shall be tried only by a military court, unless the existing laws of the Detaining Power expressly permit the civil courts to try a member of the armed forces of the Detaining Power in respect of the particular offence alleged to have been committed by the prisoner of war.
• In no circumstances whatever shall a prisoner of war be tried by a court of any kind which does not offer the essential guarantees of independence and impartiality as generally recognized, and, in particular, the procedure of which does not afford the accused the rights and means of defence provided for in Article 105

where does it say that innocent family members lose their houses?

Where does it say that Palestinians are allowed to attack and kill innocent Israelis?

 

[Roudy]

None of the above support the idea that Israel is held to the same standards as the rest of the world.

The Zionist Paradise holds itself to a higher standard than the rest of the world, so the rest of the world judges it by it's own standards, i.e. IDF= "The most moral army in the world"

Sorry, nobody can compete with the Palestinian Islamist paradise of 72 virgins for every Jihadi terrorist.

Another Rude-ee myth.

Actually an Islamic myth as the original was 72 raisins, and a fly landed on the document which was killed by the scribe altering the term to virgin.

Personally I'd rather the raisins, virgins are too much work. They can have the bulldozed home.

 

[Boston1]

Its actually very basic.

The palestinians are a mix of combatants refugees and as such their treatment falls under the Geneva conventions. Which reverts the issues of punitive action back to the Israeli courts.

The part so many expressing the false narative seem to forget is that once a refugee commits a terrorist act, is suspected of committing a terrorist act or assists in commiting a terrorist act that person forfeits their refugee status and once captured, becomes a prisoner of war.

III Geneva Convention

• • ARTICLE 82
  • A prisoner of war shall be subject to the laws, regulations and orders in force in the armed forces of the Detaining Power; the Detaining Power shall be justified in taking judicial or disciplinary measures in respect of any offence committed by a prisoner of war against such laws, regulations or orders. However, no proceedings or punishments contrary to the provisions of this Chapter shall be allowed.
  • If any law, regulation or order of the Detaining Power shall declare acts committed by a prisoner of war to be punishable, whereas the same acts would not be punishable if committed by a member of the forces of the Detaining Power, such acts shall entail disciplinary punishments only.
• 
  
• 
  
• ARTICLE 84
• A prisoner of war shall be tried only by a military court, unless the existing laws of the Detaining Power expressly permit the civil courts to try a member of the armed forces of the Detaining Power in respect of the particular offence alleged to have been committed by the prisoner of war.
• In no circumstances whatever shall a prisoner of war be tried by a court of any kind which does not offer the essential guarantees of independence and impartiality as generally recognized, and, in particular, the procedure of which does not afford the accused the rights and means of defence provided for in Article 105

where does it say that innocent family members lose their houses?

You seem to be having a lot of trouble understanding somethings thats actually very clearly stated

Quote

• ARTICLE 84
• A prisoner of war shall be tried only by a military court, unless the existing laws of the Detaining Power expressly permit the civil courts to try a member of the armed forces of the Detaining Power in respect of the particular offence alleged to have been committed by the prisoner of war.

End Quote

Lets go over this again

If a palestinian refugee commits an act against the state ( that would be Israel ) he/she/it forfeits their refugee status and becomes a combatant. In which case the above article applies.

Which clearly stated that he/she/it can be tried in an Israeli court.

A lot of countries have sentencing restrictions where if the accused is found guilty of committing a offense and the sentencing regulations require a certain minimum penalty, well it is what it is.

Personally I think the Israeli's are way to easy on the palestinians. I'd recommend summary deportation to the families and friends of anyone convicted of subversive acts against the state.

According to the Geneva convention if the Israeli court sets the required penalty prior to sentencing then its legal. Regardless of any recommendations of the convention.

also see

Quote

• ARTICLE 82 [ Link ]
• A prisoner of war shall be subject to the laws, regulations and orders in force in the armed forces of the Detaining Power; the Detaining Power shall be justified in taking judicial or disciplinary measures in respect of any offence committed by a prisoner of war against such laws, regulations or orders. However, no proceedings or punishments contrary to the provisions of this Chapter shall be allowed.
• If any law, regulation or order of the Detaining Power shall declare acts committed by a prisoner of war to be punishable, whereas the same acts would not be punishable if committed by a member of the forces of the Detaining Power, such acts shall entail disciplinary punishments only.

End Quote

Now there is a sticky point in there but its obscure and I've never heard it argued successfully

 

[pbel]

Its actually very basic.

The palestinians are a mix of combatants refugees and as such their treatment falls under the Geneva conventions. Which reverts the issues of punitive action back to the Israeli courts.

The part so many expressing the false narative seem to forget is that once a refugee commits a terrorist act, is suspected of committing a terrorist act or assists in commiting a terrorist act that person forfeits their refugee status and once captured, becomes a prisoner of war.

III Geneva Convention

• • ARTICLE 82
  • A prisoner of war shall be subject to the laws, regulations and orders in force in the armed forces of the Detaining Power; the Detaining Power shall be justified in taking judicial or disciplinary measures in respect of any offence committed by a prisoner of war against such laws, regulations or orders. However, no proceedings or punishments contrary to the provisions of this Chapter shall be allowed.
  • If any law, regulation or order of the Detaining Power shall declare acts committed by a prisoner of war to be punishable, whereas the same acts would not be punishable if committed by a member of the forces of the Detaining Power, such acts shall entail disciplinary punishments only.
• 
  
• 
  
• ARTICLE 84
• A prisoner of war shall be tried only by a military court, unless the existing laws of the Detaining Power expressly permit the civil courts to try a member of the armed forces of the Detaining Power in respect of the particular offence alleged to have been committed by the prisoner of war.
• In no circumstances whatever shall a prisoner of war be tried by a court of any kind which does not offer the essential guarantees of independence and impartiality as generally recognized, and, in particular, the procedure of which does not afford the accused the rights and means of defence provided for in Article 105

where does it say that innocent family members lose their houses?

You seem to be having a lot of trouble understanding somethings thats actually very clearly stated

Quote

• ARTICLE 84
• A prisoner of war shall be tried only by a military court, unless the existing laws of the Detaining Power expressly permit the civil courts to try a member of the armed forces of the Detaining Power in respect of the particular offence alleged to have been committed by the prisoner of war.

End Quote

Lets go over this again

If a palestinian refugee commits an act against the state ( that would be Israel ) he/she/it forfeits their refugee status and becomes a combatant. In which case the above article applies.

Which clearly stated that he/she/it can be tried in an Israeli court.

A lot of countries have sentencing restrictions where if the accused is found guilty of committing a offense and the sentencing regulations require a certain minimum penalty, well it is what it is.

Personally I think the Israeli's are way to easy on the palestinians. I'd recommend summary deportation to the families and friends of anyone convicted of subversive acts against the state.

According to the Geneva convention if the Israeli court sets the required penalty prior to sentencing then its legal. Regardless of any recommendations of the convention.

also see

Quote

• ARTICLE 82 [ Link ]
• A prisoner of war shall be subject to the laws, regulations and orders in force in the armed forces of the Detaining Power; the Detaining Power shall be justified in taking judicial or disciplinary measures in respect of any offence committed by a prisoner of war against such laws, regulations or orders. However, no proceedings or punishments contrary to the provisions of this Chapter shall be allowed.
• If any law, regulation or order of the Detaining Power shall declare acts committed by a prisoner of war to be punishable, whereas the same acts would not be punishable if committed by a member of the forces of the Detaining Power, such acts shall entail disciplinary punishments only.

End Quote

Now there is a sticky point in there but its obscure and I've never heard it argued successfully

you are clearly a zionut finagler, what didn't you understand about the question I asked you?

 

[Boston1]

Its actually very basic.

The palestinians are a mix of combatants refugees and as such their treatment falls under the Geneva conventions. Which reverts the issues of punitive action back to the Israeli courts.

The part so many expressing the false narative seem to forget is that once a refugee commits a terrorist act, is suspected of committing a terrorist act or assists in commiting a terrorist act that person forfeits their refugee status and once captured, becomes a prisoner of war.

III Geneva Convention

• • ARTICLE 82
  • A prisoner of war shall be subject to the laws, regulations and orders in force in the armed forces of the Detaining Power; the Detaining Power shall be justified in taking judicial or disciplinary measures in respect of any offence committed by a prisoner of war against such laws, regulations or orders. However, no proceedings or punishments contrary to the provisions of this Chapter shall be allowed.
  • If any law, regulation or order of the Detaining Power shall declare acts committed by a prisoner of war to be punishable, whereas the same acts would not be punishable if committed by a member of the forces of the Detaining Power, such acts shall entail disciplinary punishments only.
• 
  
• 
  
• ARTICLE 84
• A prisoner of war shall be tried only by a military court, unless the existing laws of the Detaining Power expressly permit the civil courts to try a member of the armed forces of the Detaining Power in respect of the particular offence alleged to have been committed by the prisoner of war.
• In no circumstances whatever shall a prisoner of war be tried by a court of any kind which does not offer the essential guarantees of independence and impartiality as generally recognized, and, in particular, the procedure of which does not afford the accused the rights and means of defence provided for in Article 105

where does it say that innocent family members lose their houses?

You seem to be having a lot of trouble understanding somethings thats actually very clearly stated

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• ARTICLE 84
• A prisoner of war shall be tried only by a military court, unless the existing laws of the Detaining Power expressly permit the civil courts to try a member of the armed forces of the Detaining Power in respect of the particular offence alleged to have been committed by the prisoner of war.

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Lets go over this again

If a palestinian refugee commits an act against the state ( that would be Israel ) he/she/it forfeits their refugee status and becomes a combatant. In which case the above article applies.

Which clearly stated that he/she/it can be tried in an Israeli court.

A lot of countries have sentencing restrictions where if the accused is found guilty of committing a offense and the sentencing regulations require a certain minimum penalty, well it is what it is.

Personally I think the Israeli's are way to easy on the palestinians. I'd recommend summary deportation to the families and friends of anyone convicted of subversive acts against the state.

According to the Geneva convention if the Israeli court sets the required penalty prior to sentencing then its legal. Regardless of any recommendations of the convention.

also see

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• ARTICLE 82 [ Link ]
• A prisoner of war shall be subject to the laws, regulations and orders in force in the armed forces of the Detaining Power; the Detaining Power shall be justified in taking judicial or disciplinary measures in respect of any offence committed by a prisoner of war against such laws, regulations or orders. However, no proceedings or punishments contrary to the provisions of this Chapter shall be allowed.
• If any law, regulation or order of the Detaining Power shall declare acts committed by a prisoner of war to be punishable, whereas the same acts would not be punishable if committed by a member of the forces of the Detaining Power, such acts shall entail disciplinary punishments only.

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Now there is a sticky point in there but its obscure and I've never heard it argued successfully

you are clearly a zionut finagler, what didn't you understand about the question I asked you?

What didn't you understand about the answer

The simple reality is that if the courts of Israel deem it acceptable the Geneva convention supports their jurisdiction.

Also under the Geneva convention anyone suspected of aiding in acts against the state forfeit their status as protected persons.

In which case that family you are so concerned about suddenly falls under the heading of a combatant and again is subject to judicial action of the state.

You really are having trouble following some very basic stuff here. I'd recommend losing the over emotional approach. Its seriously clouding your ability to comprehend the material being offered

 

[theliq]

He got banned for it,the prick

But you ALLOWED it.
And if he or she is the type of person you associate with, then I can understand your postings on any given topic concerning Israel.
By the way, how does an Individual using YOUR account get banned?

YAWN

Sure, that's why your initial response was the "F" word.
At least now we know where you are REALLY coming from in spite of your attempts to APPEAR rational.

As a slight but important diversion Indie.....Why is it that the Israeli Government don't have the Balls to Extradite a School Principal of the Orthodox Adass Israel College in Melbourne,the infamous "Malka Leifer" who SEXUALLY MOLESTED over 70 young female students over a 20 year period,who was squirreled out of Australia 15 months ago????? helped to evade justice by the Orthodox School Board,who employed her.

For 12 months now the Australian Government have been trying to extradite her to face 110 SEXUAL ABUSE charges,this woman is presently living in Bnei Brak an Ultra Orthodox enclave in central Israel under house arrest.......Everytime she is requested to attend the Jerusalem District Court,she feins sic PANIC ATTACKS or on other occasions,mental health issues (This serial sex offender/Paedophile,thought nothing of the anguish of her victims of course).

The victim advocates(both Israeli and Australian) have called on the court to hear the application at Ms Leifer's home or via video link to avoid "THE STRESS" of appearing in a court room........all to no avail,as this woman and others just exploit legal loopholes to avoid extradition........

Head of the Israeli National Council for the Child,.....Yitzhak Kadman warned that Israel could become a haven for Jewish Paedophiles fleeing authorities in other jurisdictions if the Leifer extradition is thrown out of court.The J.D.Court will decide on the extradition next month.!!!!

This woman well Paedophile actually......amazingly has 8 children of her own !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We will await how the JDCourt performs on this situation.......here theOrthodox School Board of Directors and others cannot leave the country(BIG SMILE) and will be dealt with..........as they were all knowing of the situation.....they hopefully receive long prison sentences.........but we want "Leifer" back so the Orthodox Girls can have justice in what is a fairly closed community,.......steve

Off topic deflection when you are losing the argument again

I never lose as you know,I was asking Indie his opinion......I clearly stated I was diverging off topic....nice to see you back....As I soar with Eagles I note that the Turkeys are still gobbling around on the ground,never soaring to any great heights.......of course you Guys can fly.....shame..steve

 

[theliq]

He got banned for it,the prick

But you ALLOWED it.
And if he or she is the type of person you associate with, then I can understand your postings on any given topic concerning Israel.
By the way, how does an Individual using YOUR account get banned?

YAWN

Sure, that's why your initial response was the "F" word.
At least now we know where you are REALLY coming from in spite of your attempts to APPEAR rational.

Who said I was rational......I will take that as a personal Insult Indie.............In you there is a spark of cleverness.........improve on that and lower the crap level and things could change for the better.......steve

I thought about what happened the last couple of days and I am seeing you clearer than ever.
That person you "banned" was your son or daughter.
You ability to be perceived as "rational" has been belied by the true eyes through which a child perceives a parent.
You child is as poisoned as you are but does a use to filter to hide it.
You thus see the demolitions as isolated acts of Zionist Racism, but NOT the context in which they occur, and your child is proof that the damage of hatred has created a situation which can only be solved by moving the Jordanians to Jordan.

Indie,Shit on me all you like,but as a matter of decency leave my family and children out of it....Thank You..steve