It's almost June - countdown to the Supreme Court decision on ACA

[bigrebnc1775]

and what will happen.

all those people who now got to keep their insurance will lose it.

they will thank the republicans for that one

They should never have had it in the first place.

so what you are saying is some people don't deserve to live or get treatment?

I'm trying to understand your reasoning here.

If they got to keep would mean they would not have had it in the first place, if that's the case then they should never have had it in the first place.

If you get sick pay for it yourself that's what normal people do when they don't have insurance. Well people like me.

 

[JoeB131]

They should never have had it in the first place.

so what you are saying is some people don't deserve to live or get treatment?

I'm trying to understand your reasoning here.

If they got to keep would mean they would not have had it in the first place, if that's the case then they should never have had it in the first place.

If you get sick pay for it yourself that's what normal people do when they don't have insurance. Well people like me.

Okay, except that unless you are talking about something like a cold, medical treatment for anything serious like cancer or a heart attack is cost prohibitive.

So are you saying that if someone is too poor to buy insurance, fuck them, let them die and reduce the surplus population, Mr. Scrooge?

 

[JoeB131]

No liberties have been taken away from anyone.

And anyone who believes privilege, responsibility, and reciprocity are not part of the American social compact of our government is mentally feeble.

Cough: TSA

Cough: Patriot Act

Cough: Obamacare

Cough: States Rights

Cough: The public indoctrination system.

Cough: Compulsive taxation and unionization.

Cough: You're a hack.

So you list two things that Bush did, not Obama. Obamacare doesn't take away any rights. I'm not sure what you consider a "public indoctrination" system. Probably you mean that when little Johnny blurts out a homophobic slur, he's sent to the principal's office, oh gosh.

And thus, we see the GOP's main problem. It's base voter is a whack like Gatsby, someone we'd have thrown out the door as a nutter 30 years ago.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

so what you are saying is some people don't deserve to live or get treatment?

I'm trying to understand your reasoning here.

If they got to keep would mean they would not have had it in the first place, if that's the case then they should never have had it in the first place.

If you get sick pay for it yourself that's what normal people do when they don't have insurance. Well people like me.

Okay, except that unless you are talking about something like a cold, medical treatment for anything serious like cancer or a heart attack is cost prohibitive.

So are you saying that if someone is too poor to buy insurance, fuck them, let them die and reduce the surplus population, Mr. Scrooge?

Set up payments be responsible for what you owe. People have forgotten what personal responsibility means.

So are you saying that if someone is too poor to buy insurance, fuck them, let them die and reduce the surplus population, Mr. Scrooge?

Isn't that what medicare is for?

 

[JoeB131]

If they got to keep would mean they would not have had it in the first place, if that's the case then they should never have had it in the first place.

If you get sick pay for it yourself that's what normal people do when they don't have insurance. Well people like me.

Okay, except that unless you are talking about something like a cold, medical treatment for anything serious like cancer or a heart attack is cost prohibitive.

So are you saying that if someone is too poor to buy insurance, fuck them, let them die and reduce the surplus population, Mr. Scrooge?

Set up payments be responsible for what you owe. People have forgotten what personal responsibility means.

Again, that would make sense if it was reasonably priced? The laws of supply and demand don't really apply here, do they? The Health Care industry can charge whatever it wants to treat your cancer because, hey, you'll pay it.

Which is why like fire protection and police protection, health care should be a public service. Period.

So are you saying that if someone is too poor to buy insurance, fuck them, let them die and reduce the surplus population, Mr. Scrooge?

Isn't that what medicare is for?

No, Medicare is only there to take care of the elderly.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Okay, except that unless you are talking about something like a cold, medical treatment for anything serious like cancer or a heart attack is cost prohibitive.

So are you saying that if someone is too poor to buy insurance, fuck them, let them die and reduce the surplus population, Mr. Scrooge?

Set up payments be responsible for what you owe. People have forgotten what personal responsibility means.

Again, that would make sense if it was reasonably priced? The laws of supply and demand don't really apply here, do they? The Health Care industry can charge whatever it wants to treat your cancer because, hey, you'll pay it.

Which is why like fire protection and police protection, health care should be a public service. Period.

So are you saying that if someone is too poor to buy insurance, fuck them, let them die and reduce the surplus population, Mr. Scrooge?

Isn't that what medicare is for?

No, Medicare is only there to take care of the elderly.

Medicare is health insurance for the following:•People 65 or older•People under 65 with certain disabilities •People of any age with End-Stage Renal Disease (ESRD) (permanent kidney failure requiringdialysis or a kidney transplant)

http://www.medicare.gov/publications/pubs/pdf/11306.pdf

And then their is medicaid

Medicaid is a jointly funded, Federal-State health insurance program for low-income and needy people. It covers children, the aged, blind, and/or disabled and other people who are eligible to receive federally assisted income maintenance payments.

Social Security Online - Medicaid Information

 

[JakeStarkey]

Set up payments be responsible for what you owe. People have forgotten what personal responsibility means. . . . Isn't that what medicare is for?

You have reciprocal duties under the Social Compact for other Americans, bigrebnc. That you don't like it is tough. We live in a republic that is governed by majoritarian rule. That's not going to change.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Set up payments be responsible for what you owe. People have forgotten what personal responsibility means. . . . Isn't that what medicare is for?

You have reciprocal duties under the Social Compact for other Americans, bigrebnc. That you don't like it is tough. We live in a republic that is governed by majoritarian rule. That's not going to change.

I did not sign a god damn socialist compact only socialist have done that.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You belong because you are a citizen. We the People chose for you a long time ago. Don't like it? Leave.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You belong because you are a citizen. We the People chose for you a long time ago. Don't like it? Leave.

There is no socialist compact except in a communist country.

 

[JoeB131]

You belong because you are a citizen. We the People chose for you a long time ago. Don't like it? Leave.

There is no socialist compact except in a communist country.

There was a social compact the minute our ape-ancestors decided to travel in packs for greater protection.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You belong because you are a citizen. We the People chose for you a long time ago. Don't like it? Leave.

There is no socialist compact except in a communist country.

There was a social compact the minute our ape-ancestors decided to travel in packs for greater protection.

All communities have social compacts. They cannot exist without them. bigrebnc merely shows his ignorance of history as well as the actual historical, political and definition meanings of socialist and communist. He really is neanderthal in his understanding.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

There is no socialist compact except in a communist country.

There was a social compact the minute our ape-ancestors decided to travel in packs for greater protection.

All communities have social compacts. They cannot exist without them. bigrebnc merely shows his ignorance of history as well as the actual historical, political and definition meanings of socialist and communist. He really is neanderthal in his understanding.

All communist countries have social compacts they cannot exist without them.

 

[JoeB131]

There is no socialist compact except in a communist country.

There was a social compact the minute our ape-ancestors decided to travel in packs for greater protection.

All communities have social compacts. They cannot exist without them. bigrebnc merely shows his ignorance of history as well as the actual historical, political and definition meanings of socialist and communist. He really is neanderthal in his understanding.

Now don't go insulting neaderthals like that. Archeological evidence shows even they had a social compact.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

There was a social compact the minute our ape-ancestors decided to travel in packs for greater protection.

All communities have social compacts. They cannot exist without them. bigrebnc merely shows his ignorance of history as well as the actual historical, political and definition meanings of socialist and communist. He really is neanderthal in his understanding.

Now don't go insulting neaderthals like that. Archeological evidence shows even they had a social compact.

You're a fucking idiot troll boy

 

[Greenbeard]

The right to say "no thanks" to services or products we don't want, the right to refuse to deal with companies we think are charging too much or otherwise screwing us, is the most fundamental right a consumer has.

And we continue to pretend folks are being autoenrolled into an insurance plan with no option of dropping it. A scenario where one is actually forced to pay a monthly premium for an insurance product he doesn't want.

In reality, saying "no thanks" remains a perfectly viable option. In fact, if memory serves, you've already indicated that you intend to do exactly that.

 

[JakeStarkey]

bigrebnc was the one kept getting whacked over the head with a big club to keep him line.

 

[dblack]

The right to say "no thanks" to services or products we don't want, the right to refuse to deal with companies we think are charging too much or otherwise screwing us, is the most fundamental right a consumer has.

And we continue to pretend folks are being autoenrolled into an insurance plan with no option of dropping it. A scenario where one is actually forced to pay a monthly premium for an insurance product he doesn't want.

In reality, saying "no thanks" remains a perfectly viable option. In fact, if memory serves, you've already indicated that you intend to do exactly that.

The "freedom" to defy the law and suffer the consequences is not an example of exercising our rights. It's an example of them being trampled. Those of you suggesting otherwise are either deeply deluded or simply dishonest.

 

[dblack]

You have reciprocal duties under the Social Compact for other Americans, bigrebnc. That you don't like it is tough. We live in a republic that is governed by majoritarian rule. That's not going to change.

You belong because you are a citizen. We the People chose for you a long time ago. Don't like it? Leave.

If by "majoritarian rule" you're referring to unlimited democracy you are simply factually wrong. I understand many of you want to move in that direction but, for now at least, the Constitution protects minorities from the kind of government you seek. Hopefully the court will drive a stake in the ground on that point shortly. And then, if you don't like it, please avail yourself of your own and advice, and leave.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Majoritarian rule does not mean unlimited democracy, dblack, so take your deflection elsewhere. The Constitution does protect minorities, but being exempt from the Social Compact is not a minority right. Why would I leave if the Court rules against what I believe is right? I am an American, and I will continue to constitutionally and electorally struggle for what I believe is right. I know you will do the same.