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So, just so I am straight on this - our Founding Father's - Liberals, according to the OP - who owned slaves, believed in God, MINIMAL government, slaughtered Indians - and would probably castrate and boil in oil a "queer" in the public square, are the model to which today's Liberal admires.
Got it.
Thanks.
Ain't it grand? The sheer irony... claim the Founders were just a bunch of old, white, racist homophobes were.. and wait for it... LIBERAL.
That's just fucking priceless.
Where does Thomas Paine fit into your sophomoric analysis?
It's the sheer dishonesty that's so galling. Modern liberals have little interest in individual freedoms -- they prefer the collective, insisting on treating people as monolithic blocs, and hating them when they don't stay in their assigned pigeonhole.They gave us a shitload of revised history, too.
That.... "They ask for so little in return".... gotta be the best comment in the thread. They ask for so little.... they deserve nothing.... and they don't 'ask', they demand..... and.... better yet.... they'll stoop so low as to lay claim to the Founding Fathers in order to take yet more from others.
How embarrassing these leftists are to liberals.
The FF as modern liberals? Utterly ludicrous.
We'll forgo the filth to address the meat of this. if you don't mind Frank
first off, we're celebrating our independence today
so those 'veterans' reponsible lived in the late 1700's
now i do believe we should be thankful that they stood their ground, and against what was a formidable , if not hardened Bitt army
yet in step with this thread, they were seen as the terrorists of the day.
somebody hadda say it.....
~S~
Really? So the cold war Vet who kept the Russians at bay should not be thanked? The Vets who are fighting muslims who want to change our way of life and our political system should also not be thanked? Is that what you mean?
No, they weren't born yet, nor did those conflicts yet exist
please keep the 4th's terms as applied to the OP in the context of the timeframe
thanx
~S~
They did indeed. And then fucking entitlement junkies like you came along and flipped it. Any you're so deluded that you don't get that.
idiot.
Entitlement junkies?
As the US evolved into a modern society it became clear that social programs were needed to handle the needs of our diverse and expanding population. The elected representatives decided we need popular programs like Social Security, Medicare, VA as well as welfare.
Most modern societies have implemented similar programs
And as the US evolved more, it has proven that it needs to end the entitlements if it wants to continue as a serious and stable country. Thanks to the "evolution of entitlement programs the US is at a point in 2012 where it needs to decide if it should borrow past a point of ever being able to pay it back and eventually collapse due to debt, or cut these wasteful programs and live within our means.
Great point RW.
It's the sheer dishonesty that's so galling. Modern liberals have little interest in individual freedoms -- they prefer the collective, insisting on treating people as monolithic blocs, and hating them when they don't stay in their assigned pigeonhole.That.... "They ask for so little in return".... gotta be the best comment in the thread. They ask for so little.... they deserve nothing.... and they don't 'ask', they demand..... and.... better yet.... they'll stoop so low as to lay claim to the Founding Fathers in order to take yet more from others.
How embarrassing these leftists are to liberals.
The FF as modern liberals? Utterly ludicrous.
On this I have to agree with you...
Modern liberals do not wear powdered wigs, own slaves or deny rights to women
Liberal thought evolves to meet the needs of an evolving society......it is only libertarians and Tea Baggers who are stuck in the 18th century
Ain't it grand? The sheer irony... claim the Founders were just a bunch of old, white, racist homophobes were.. and wait for it... LIBERAL.
That's just fucking priceless.
Where does Thomas Paine fit into your sophomoric analysis?
It really wasn't an analysis... just a remark as to the irony that liberals would claim that the Founders, who they claim to be just a bunch of old (and they weren't really that old) racist white men, were, uhm, liberal.. Maybe sheer stupidity would be a better term than ironic?
What say you?
if you would have included that in with your original statement RW....i would not have said what i said......because in the beginning.....unless you were a white male landowner......you weren't shit....
Imagine actually believing that "All men are created equal" in a day when royalty ruled by basis of their bloodlines and order of birth?
and yet they had slaves......
Imagine creating a country where a poor, illiterate laborer receives the same vote as the most wealthy citizen?
yea as long as they were white and owned land.......
The freedoms generated by our founding fathers were the best available for that time and place. It set the ball rolling for the ultimate freedoms of women, blacks, Indians and gays
Where does Thomas Paine fit into your sophomoric analysis?
It really wasn't an analysis... just a remark as to the irony that liberals would claim that the Founders, who they claim to be just a bunch of old (and they weren't really that old) racist white men, were, uhm, liberal.. Maybe sheer stupidity would be a better term than ironic?
What say you?
I know sheer stupidity reigns. Heck, Conservatives think Thomas Paine and Jesus were Nazis.
It's the sheer dishonesty that's so galling. Modern liberals have little interest in individual freedoms -- they prefer the collective, insisting on treating people as monolithic blocs, and hating them when they don't stay in their assigned pigeonhole.That.... "They ask for so little in return".... gotta be the best comment in the thread. They ask for so little.... they deserve nothing.... and they don't 'ask', they demand..... and.... better yet.... they'll stoop so low as to lay claim to the Founding Fathers in order to take yet more from others.
How embarrassing these leftists are to liberals.
The FF as modern liberals? Utterly ludicrous.
On this I have to agree with you...
Modern liberals do not wear powdered wigs, own slaves or deny rights to women
Liberal thought evolves to meet the needs of an evolving society......it is only libertarians and Tea Baggers who are stuck in the 18th century
Idiot. Where does Thomas Paine fit into your sophomoric analysis?
It really wasn't an analysis... just a remark as to the irony that liberals would claim that the Founders, who they claim to be just a bunch of old (and they weren't really that old) racist white men, were, uhm, liberal.. Maybe sheer stupidity would be a better term than ironic?
What say you?
I know sheer stupidity reigns. Heck, Conservatives think Thomas Paine and Jesus were Nazis.
Our liberal founding fathers shook the world when they declared that "All men are created equal"
Our Founding fathers were CLASSICAL Liberals - liberals nowadays are state supremacist fascists or socialists.
Really? Is that why Hamilton and Washington waged the Whiskey Rebellion?
They were classical liberals?
It really wasn't an analysis... just a remark as to the irony that liberals would claim that the Founders, who they claim to be just a bunch of old (and they weren't really that old) racist white men, were, uhm, liberal.. Maybe sheer stupidity would be a better term than ironic?
What say you?
I know sheer stupidity reigns. Heck, Conservatives think Thomas Paine and Jesus were Nazis.
You should be aware, I neg people for using the 'Nazi' label for political point scoring.... it is the sign of a lost argument. You failed.
Our Founding fathers were CLASSICAL Liberals - liberals nowadays are state supremacist fascists or socialists.
Really? Is that why Hamilton and Washington waged the Whiskey Rebellion?
They were classical liberals?
Well, the Founders were divided. There were the Federalists who believe in a strong central government. Alexander Hamilton was one of those.
The anti-federalists, ie James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry who did not trust the Federalists.
The new government had the authority to levy excise taxes.
But even Hamilton never sugested that the federal government could finance and managed a welfare state.
.
It's the sheer dishonesty that's so galling. Modern liberals have little interest in individual freedoms -- they prefer the collective, insisting on treating people as monolithic blocs, and hating them when they don't stay in their assigned pigeonhole.
The FF as modern liberals? Utterly ludicrous.
On this I have to agree with you...
Modern liberals do not wear powdered wigs, own slaves or deny rights to women
Liberal thought evolves to meet the needs of an evolving society......it is only libertarians and Tea Baggers who are stuck in the 18th century
Yea, cuz all conservatives do wear powdered wigs, own slaves and deny rights to women.
Carry on denying the utter and total failure of entitlements to actually solve anything... that's the left's way. Cling to your outdated and failed ideas and pretend that it's all someone else's fault.
It's the sheer dishonesty that's so galling. Modern liberals have little interest in individual freedoms -- they prefer the collective, insisting on treating people as monolithic blocs, and hating them when they don't stay in their assigned pigeonhole.That.... "They ask for so little in return".... gotta be the best comment in the thread. They ask for so little.... they deserve nothing.... and they don't 'ask', they demand..... and.... better yet.... they'll stoop so low as to lay claim to the Founding Fathers in order to take yet more from others.
How embarrassing these leftists are to liberals.
The FF as modern liberals? Utterly ludicrous.
On this I have to agree with you...
Modern liberals do not wear powdered wigs, own slaves or deny rights to women
Liberal thought evolves to meet the needs of an evolving society......it is only libertarians and Tea Baggers who are stuck in the 18th century
It's the sheer dishonesty that's so galling. Modern liberals have little interest in individual freedoms -- they prefer the collective, insisting on treating people as monolithic blocs, and hating them when they don't stay in their assigned pigeonhole.
The FF as modern liberals? Utterly ludicrous.
On this I have to agree with you...
Modern liberals do not wear powdered wigs, own slaves or deny rights to women
Liberal thought evolves to meet the needs of an evolving society......it is only libertarians and Tea Baggers who are stuck in the 18th century
Yea, cuz all conservatives do wear powdered wigs, own slaves and deny rights to women.
Carry on denying the utter and total failure of entitlements to actually solve anything... that's the left's way. Cling to your outdated and failed ideas and pretend that it's all someone else's fault.
On this I have to agree with you...
Modern liberals do not wear powdered wigs, own slaves or deny rights to women
Liberal thought evolves to meet the needs of an evolving society......it is only libertarians and Tea Baggers who are stuck in the 18th century
Yea, cuz all conservatives do wear powdered wigs, own slaves and deny rights to women.
Carry on denying the utter and total failure of entitlements to actually solve anything... that's the left's way. Cling to your outdated and failed ideas and pretend that it's all someone else's fault.
Have they "solved anything"?
They have solved poor destitute people dying in the streets, begging door to door, spreading disease, having no safety net, being afraid to age
The US uses the same social programs as every other industrialized country. It is only arch conservatives who advocate a Dickensonian society
Welcome to the 21st century California Girl
On this I have to agree with you...
Modern liberals do not wear powdered wigs, own slaves or deny rights to women
Liberal thought evolves to meet the needs of an evolving society......it is only libertarians and Tea Baggers who are stuck in the 18th century
Yea, cuz all conservatives do wear powdered wigs, own slaves and deny rights to women.
Carry on denying the utter and total failure of entitlements to actually solve anything... that's the left's way. Cling to your outdated and failed ideas and pretend that it's all someone else's fault.
Lol, good call. Maybe RW can get some screen shots of where all Reps wear wigs and beat their wives.
The US uses the same social programs as every other industrialized country. It is only arch conservatives who advocate a Dickensonian society
Welcome to the 21st century California Girl
