"It's not theirs, Its mine"

[jc456]

Seriously, Peter strzok? Hahaha

If that’s not a drop mic fker

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[jc456]

Hahaha hahaha

 

[Sixties Fan]

It’s now known that the boxes of material Donald Trump took to Mar-a-Lago contained at least 300 classified documents, but the indisputable fact was that 100% of this material belonged to the American government, not to Trump. Exactly what national secrets Trump stole from Americans, or how he has been using those documents, remains unclear. However, the full text of a letter from the National Archives to one of Trump’s attorneys, which was written in May, shows the desperation with which the Archives was trying to recover what was clearly information vital to the nation’s security.

The letter was first published on the Just the News site, which is operated by John Solomon, the conservative pundit who was hired by Trump as one of his two “representatives for access to Presidential records of my administration.” Solomon, who is best known forspreading conspiracy theories about Joe Biden and Ukraine, has denied seeing the documents that were held in storage at Mar-a-Lago. The longtime Trump ally and former Fox News pundit has made multiple appearances on Sean Hannity’s program to defend Trump’s handling of the classified documents.

But exactly how Solomon thinks releasing this letter might help Trump is very far from clear, because what this letter shows is a National Archives representative clearly at her wits’ end, begging for Trump to do the right thing and spare everyone the need to call in the FBI.

The letter, written on May 10 by Acting Archivist Debra Wall, is a response to two other letters that were apparently sent to her by Trump attorney Evan Corcoran. This letter is clearly just one instance in a long chain of correspondence, some of which involved Corcoran begging Wall to hold off on bringing in the FBI.

I write in response to your letters of April 29, 2022, and May 1, 2022, requesting that the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) further delay the disclosure to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) of the records that were the subject of our April 12, 2022 notification to an authorized representative of former President Trump.

The letter lays out, again, the timeline of events, including how the Archives negotiated with Trump to finally obtain the return of 15 boxes of records in January. The review of those documents only made the Archives more determined to recover the boxes of material remaining at Mar-a-Lago.

… NARA identified items marked as classified national security information, up to the level of Top Secret and including Sensitive Compartmented Information and Special Access Program materials.

Step by step, Wall goes through the Archive’s reasoning on why Trump is not due any privilege that would allow him to keep these documents. And in doing so, she points out what may be the most critical item from those unpublished pieces of past correspondence.

As the Department of Justice’s National Security Division explained to you on April 29, 2022: There are important national security interests in the FBI and others in the Intelligence Community getting access to these materials.

Wall goes on to explain that even though they had informed Trump’s attorney that they intended to contact the FBI within the week, the White House Council’s Office delayed such action until April 29 “in response to a request from another representative of the former President.” That this delay came from the White House rather than the National Archives shows the Biden White House being directly involved at this point, not to push the FBI into Mar-a-Lago, but to give Trump more time to do the right thing.

However, the letter makes it clear that the White House and President Joe Biden have deferred to Wall, making the next steps her decision. Wall lays things out for Corcoran extremely succinctly, and extremely forcefully.

• A full month has passed since the Archives informed Trump’s representatives that they couldn’t wait any longer and intended to provide their information to the FBI for review.
• The contents of the previous tranche of material have made recovering what’s in the rest of the boxes an “urgent” matter for the intelligence community and the Department of Justice.
• President Biden has given a “reasonable extension,” but Trump’s team still has not acted.
• Trump’s attorneys continue to make claims about determining whether documents are “subject to privilege” when no such privilege can exist.

The letter also makes it clear that Trump’s response has included a threat.

Your April 29 letter further states that in the event we do not afford you further time to review the records before NARA discloses them in response to the request, we should consider your letter to be “a protective assertion of executive privilege made by counsel for the former President.”

But that is an assertion only a sitting executive can make. Trump can no more make declarations of executive privilege from Mar-a-Lago than he can sign bills or order in the military. That fact is underscored in a segment of the letter that had previously appeared in other publications.

The Assistant Attorney General has advised me that there is no precedent for an assertion of executive privilege by a former President against an incumbent President to prevent the latter from obtaining from NARA Presidential records belonging to the Federal Government where “such records contain information that is needed for the conduct of current business of the incumbent President’s office and that is not otherwise available.”

Wall helpfully lays out all past litigation over this subject, showing that Trump has absolutely no standing for this claim. In fact, the law is so clear on this matter that Wall’s frustration in having to go through this dance is blindingly clear.

It is not necessary that I decide whether there might be any circumstances in which a former President could successfully assert a claim of executive privilege to prevent an Executive Branch agency from having access to Presidential records for the performance of valid executive functions. The question in this case is not a close one.

The government is seeking the return of records that belong to the government, not Trump. Trump has no power to exert privilege over those records, the ownership of which is clearly defined in law. And Corcoran’s declaration of “a protective assertion of executive privilege” is bullshit.

Wall doesn’t quite say “bullshit,” but her disdain for the odor coming off of Corcoran’s statement clearly shows in the text.

Because an assertion of executive privilege against the incumbent President under these circumstances would not be viable, it follows that there is no basis for the former President to make a “protective assertion of executive privilege,” which the Assistant Attorney General informs me has never been made outside the context of a congressional demand for information from the Executive Branch. … I have therefore decided not to honor the former President’s “protective” claim of privilege.

Mic drop.

What this letter clearly shows is that the National Archives, the Department of Justice, and President Biden all bent over backwards in an attempt to allow Trump to return these documents as quietly as possible. It also shows that the documents contain material critical to national security and of deep concern both to the Department of Justice and the intelligence community.

The National Archives asked nicely. Trump stalled. They asked repeatedly. Trump stalled. Then they warned Trump that they would have to take steps to secure the information. Trump stalled. They turned to the White House Council’s Office and President Biden graciously allowed Trump the time he requested. But at the end of that time, Trump still stalled. Ultimately, the FBI raided Mar-a-Lago because Trump left them no other choice in securing vital national secrets.

How Solomon thinks that any part of this letter might be favorable to Trump is a mystery. But not as big a mystery as why Trump stalled, and just what he was doing with the national security documents that he stole from the White House.

Letter from National Archives shows the incredible frustration in trying to recover stolen documents

It’s now known that the boxes of material Donald Trump took to Mar-a-Lago contained at least 300 classified documents, but the indisputable fact was that 100% of this material belonged to the American government, not to Trump. Exactly what national...

www.dailykos.com

 

[jc456]

but the indisputable fact was that 100% of this material belonged to the American government, not to Trump.

factually, that's incorrect. but hey, keep telling the lies, it's who you are.

 

[jc456]

It’s now known that the boxes of material Donald Trump took to Mar-a-Lago contained at least 300 classified documents, but the indisputable fact was that 100% of this material belonged to the American government, not to Trump. Exactly what national secrets Trump stole from Americans, or how he has been using those documents, remains unclear. However, the full text of a letter from the National Archives to one of Trump’s attorneys, which was written in May, shows the desperation with which the Archives was trying to recover what was clearly information vital to the nation’s security.

The letter was first published on the Just the News site, which is operated by John Solomon, the conservative pundit who was hired by Trump as one of his two “representatives for access to Presidential records of my administration.” Solomon, who is best known forspreading conspiracy theories about Joe Biden and Ukraine, has denied seeing the documents that were held in storage at Mar-a-Lago. The longtime Trump ally and former Fox News pundit has made multiple appearances on Sean Hannity’s program to defend Trump’s handling of the classified documents.

But exactly how Solomon thinks releasing this letter might help Trump is very far from clear, because what this letter shows is a National Archives representative clearly at her wits’ end, begging for Trump to do the right thing and spare everyone the need to call in the FBI.

The letter, written on May 10 by Acting Archivist Debra Wall, is a response to two other letters that were apparently sent to her by Trump attorney Evan Corcoran. This letter is clearly just one instance in a long chain of correspondence, some of which involved Corcoran begging Wall to hold off on bringing in the FBI.


The letter lays out, again, the timeline of events, including how the Archives negotiated with Trump to finally obtain the return of 15 boxes of records in January. The review of those documents only made the Archives more determined to recover the boxes of material remaining at Mar-a-Lago.


Step by step, Wall goes through the Archive’s reasoning on why Trump is not due any privilege that would allow him to keep these documents. And in doing so, she points out what may be the most critical item from those unpublished pieces of past correspondence.


Wall goes on to explain that even though they had informed Trump’s attorney that they intended to contact the FBI within the week, the White House Council’s Office delayed such action until April 29 “in response to a request from another representative of the former President.” That this delay came from the White House rather than the National Archives shows the Biden White House being directly involved at this point, not to push the FBI into Mar-a-Lago, but to give Trump more time to do the right thing.

However, the letter makes it clear that the White House and President Joe Biden have deferred to Wall, making the next steps her decision. Wall lays things out for Corcoran extremely succinctly, and extremely forcefully.

• A full month has passed since the Archives informed Trump’s representatives that they couldn’t wait any longer and intended to provide their information to the FBI for review.
• The contents of the previous tranche of material have made recovering what’s in the rest of the boxes an “urgent” matter for the intelligence community and the Department of Justice.
• President Biden has given a “reasonable extension,” but Trump’s team still has not acted.
• Trump’s attorneys continue to make claims about determining whether documents are “subject to privilege” when no such privilege can exist.

The letter also makes it clear that Trump’s response has included a threat.


But that is an assertion only a sitting executive can make. Trump can no more make declarations of executive privilege from Mar-a-Lago than he can sign bills or order in the military. That fact is underscored in a segment of the letter that had previously appeared in other publications.


Wall helpfully lays out all past litigation over this subject, showing that Trump has absolutely no standing for this claim. In fact, the law is so clear on this matter that Wall’s frustration in having to go through this dance is blindingly clear.


The government is seeking the return of records that belong to the government, not Trump. Trump has no power to exert privilege over those records, the ownership of which is clearly defined in law. And Corcoran’s declaration of “a protective assertion of executive privilege” is bullshit.

Wall doesn’t quite say “bullshit,” but her disdain for the odor coming off of Corcoran’s statement clearly shows in the text.


Mic drop.

What this letter clearly shows is that the National Archives, the Department of Justice, and President Biden all bent over backwards in an attempt to allow Trump to return these documents as quietly as possible. It also shows that the documents contain material critical to national security and of deep concern both to the Department of Justice and the intelligence community.

The National Archives asked nicely. Trump stalled. They asked repeatedly. Trump stalled. Then they warned Trump that they would have to take steps to secure the information. Trump stalled. They turned to the White House Council’s Office and President Biden graciously allowed Trump the time he requested. But at the end of that time, Trump still stalled. Ultimately, the FBI raided Mar-a-Lago because Trump left them no other choice in securing vital national secrets.

How Solomon thinks that any part of this letter might be favorable to Trump is a mystery. But not as big a mystery as why Trump stalled, and just what he was doing with the national security documents that he stole from the White House.

Letter from National Archives shows the incredible frustration in trying to recover stolen documents

It’s now known that the boxes of material Donald Trump took to Mar-a-Lago contained at least 300 classified documents, but the indisputable fact was that 100% of this material belonged to the American government, not to Trump. Exactly what national...

www.dailykos.com

Yes, the president can declassify documents, but there isn’t a set protocol they have to follow

Former President Trump claimed documents found at Mar-a-Lago were “all declassified.” We explain why sitting presidents can declassify documents and how it works.

www.khou.com

“He can just say, ‘I decide that this should be declassified,’ and it’s declassified,” McClanahan said.

 

[Sixties Fan]

factually, that's incorrect. but hey, keep telling the lies, it's who you are.

If anything belonged to Trump, they would allow him to keep it.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Yes, the president can declassify documents, but there isn’t a set protocol they have to follow

Former President Trump claimed documents found at Mar-a-Lago were “all declassified.” We explain why sitting presidents can declassify documents and how it works.

www.khou.com

“He can just say, ‘I decide that this should be declassified,’ and it’s declassified,” McClanahan said.

Presidents can declassify while in office.

They CANNOT take any classified, declassified, etc documents with them once they leave office.

Trump thought that the letters between him and North Korean President were for him to keep, he was wrong. Same with Obama's letter to Trump after Inauguration.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Donald Trump was warned that the records he was holding on to were illegally retained, but the former president refused to give them back because he disagreed with that assertion, a new report claims.

The New York Times reported on Tuesday that Mr Trump flat-out refused to return boxes of documents, including some that apparently were marked classified, when approached by his former deputy White House counsel, Patrick Philbin.

And he wasn’t alone – multiple other aides to the president reportedly told him the same thing. But Mr Trump resisted, telling them “it’s not theirs, it’s mine” on several occaisions, referring to the stash of documents.

The new reporting could help the Justice Department prove its case if charges are brought against him for the retention of classified materials, as it demonstrates that Mr Trump could or should have known that what he was doing was criminal in nature.

‘It’s not theirs, it’s mine’: Trump resisted advisers’ calls to return White House documents

President ignored advice from counsel to heed National Archives’ demands for records

news.yahoo.com

To be continued.......

I thought this was about Obama stealing a bunch of documents when he left the White House.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I thought this was about Obama stealing a bunch of documents when he left the White House.

NARA has all of Obama's documents in their control. Obama did not take, steal or otherwise one of them when he left office.

Vide previous posts.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

NARA has all of Obama's documents in their control. Obama did not take, steal or otherwise one of them when he left office.

Vide previous posts.

Is that what they’re telling you?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Is that what they’re telling you?

That is NARA policy for all Presidents since Nixon

 

[jc456]

If anything belonged to Trump, they would allow him to keep it.

Then he wouldn’t get a library

 

[jc456]

Presidents can declassify while in office.

They CANNOT take any classified, declassified, etc documents with them once they leave office.

Trump thought that the letters between him and North Korean President were for him to keep, he was wrong. Same with Obama's letter to Trump after Inauguration.

I’m laughing. He says they were. Who are you to know differently? All he had to say was everything I take is declassified, and boom declassified.

Can you prove obammy declassified his?

 

[surada]

You should have stopped at 'sounds like', the rest is TDS eating away your brain.

Don't you remember when Trump shoved the president of Montenegro or when he skipped the memorial service for American soldiers who died in France? He stayed behind and looted the artwork from the US embassy in Paris.

 

[surada]

Then he wouldn’t get a library

This explains in detail how it works.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/25/trump-classified-legal/

 

[jc456]

Don't you remember when Trump shoved the president of Montenegro or when he skipped the memorial service for American soldiers who died in France? He stayed behind and looted the artwork from the US embassy in Paris.

Still tdsing eh?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

That is NARA policy for all Presidents since Nixon

And the xerox machine has yet to be invented.

 

[Sixties Fan]

And the xerox machine has yet to be invented.

And Trump did not think of asking for copies and permission to have those copies if not classified and top secret.

He can visit those documents at NARA or his library, if ever built.

 

[jc456]

And Trump did not think of asking for copies and permission to have those copies if not classified and top secret.

He can visit those documents at NARA or his library, if ever built.

No policy