It's Time For Blacks To Apologize For "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" Campaign

[Jarhead]

Because "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" is a BAD message?

Yes...because my guess few. if NO person is shot by police when they have their hands up and asking for the o

The left has created a media campaign against cops over a bold-faced lie, and it's time they collectively admit their deceit and apologize for all of the deaths and destruction they have caused.


Since it has been proved in court and in the news on multiple occasions that Michael Brown never raised his hands to surrender, and that he was actually guilty of not only robbery, but of attacking a police-officer when he was shot and killed, don't you think it's time that the perpetrators of this hoax (The Obama Administration, Eric Holder, Black Members of Congress, St Louis Rams Football Players) apologize for the outright lie that "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" is????

Just like Man-made Global Warming, this farce is based off of a pack of lies, and it's about time that the people that started this lie, and used it for nefarious perposes, apologize for all of the trouble that has resulted from it.

In my opinion, the gesture is a statement concerning the collective actions of police, and not just that one incident. Yes, it did start with the case of Wilson/Brown, but has since moved on to other areas of the country as a reminder of police actions everywhere. I don't believe that the gesture is confined to Missouri. I believe that the gesture spread because police are practicing the same conduct nationwide, and folks have had enough of "trigger happy cops". No one can deny police brutality, cold blooded murder, rape, stealing, taking bribes, lying in court, getting a free pass in our judicial system, and other conduct that cops arrest others for.

We can single out any one incident and defend cops, but no one can defend the general conduct reported and recorded daily all across this nation. An apology works both ways. How many times have you heard a cop apologize, or step in front of the mic and camera and say, "I made a terrible mistake, for which I am deeply sorry"? Apologies are a two-way street. Wrong is wrong, regardless of whether one is wearing a uniform or not. Lets be fair here and ask the cops to apologize for their misdeeds also, then your post will carry a lot more weight instead of being one-sided and showing a lot of obvious bias towards law enforcement. Thanks.

Really? Collective actions of police?

How often do you hear of a police officer shooting an innocent black man who had his hands up and defenseless?

Now, if the narrative were something along the lines of "don't harass me because I am black"...then I would accept your post as one with validity.

But the gesture of "hands up don't shoot" implies one thing and one thing only.....an individual with his/her hands in the air begging for their lives.

Yes, I stated it correctly. The collective actions of police. Also, the reference was to a gesture not necessarily denoting the actual raising of hands, but symbolizing defenseless and/or unarmed citizens. For example, the black man in the stairwell, the 12 year old in the park, the choking death of an unarmed defenseless black man, and many more all across this nation. The gesture is being used to express the unnecessary killing of defenseless unarmed citizens, many of which are black. Again, it is not restricted to raised hands as such in all killings, but the unnecessary acts of law enforcement in general.

Nope. You did not state it correctly. The examples you cited were not situations where a black individual had their hands up showing willingness to comply.

Hands up means willingness to comply.

Hands up means willingness to comply.

Get it?

You did not state it correctly.

It is a protest gesture relating to the unnecessary actions of law enforcement. It does not carry the meaning of surrender or compliance. Yes, in Ferguson, it was meant to show that an officer shot and killed and unarmed man while the man's hands where raised, that's a given. But, as it spread across the country, it became a symbol of unnecessary shootings and violence against citizens. The same gesture was used in New York where a black man was strangled to death. It was used in New York where a black man was shot and killed while climbing the stairs to his apartment after returning from shopping. It has been used for months now all across this country, and used whether there's a question of actual raised hands or not. It is a protest statement signifying unnecessary force by police officers. Yes, it did start in Ferguson, but since has spread and used as a general protest gesture against police violence.

Hands up don't shoot is an antagonistic gesture and it paints the police forces of this nation as POTENTIAL cold blooded murderers.
Someone with his hands up, as it pertains to the police, do not need to worry about being shot by the police; thus making that gesture inappropriate.


The left got all up in arms....ELECTED POLITICIANS INCLUDED......when Sarah Palin used the image of a scope target to designate targeted areas for political campaigning.

Yet those same people and ELECTED POLITICIANS do not see the danger in what hands up don't shoot comes across as.

Quite hypocritical.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Because "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" is a BAD message?

Yes...because my guess few. if NO person is shot by police when they have their hands up and asking for the o

The left has created a media campaign against cops over a bold-faced lie, and it's time they collectively admit their deceit and apologize for all of the deaths and destruction they have caused.


Since it has been proved in court and in the news on multiple occasions that Michael Brown never raised his hands to surrender, and that he was actually guilty of not only robbery, but of attacking a police-officer when he was shot and killed, don't you think it's time that the perpetrators of this hoax (The Obama Administration, Eric Holder, Black Members of Congress, St Louis Rams Football Players) apologize for the outright lie that "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" is????

Just like Man-made Global Warming, this farce is based off of a pack of lies, and it's about time that the people that started this lie, and used it for nefarious perposes, apologize for all of the trouble that has resulted from it.

In my opinion, the gesture is a statement concerning the collective actions of police, and not just that one incident. Yes, it did start with the case of Wilson/Brown, but has since moved on to other areas of the country as a reminder of police actions everywhere. I don't believe that the gesture is confined to Missouri. I believe that the gesture spread because police are practicing the same conduct nationwide, and folks have had enough of "trigger happy cops". No one can deny police brutality, cold blooded murder, rape, stealing, taking bribes, lying in court, getting a free pass in our judicial system, and other conduct that cops arrest others for.

We can single out any one incident and defend cops, but no one can defend the general conduct reported and recorded daily all across this nation. An apology works both ways. How many times have you heard a cop apologize, or step in front of the mic and camera and say, "I made a terrible mistake, for which I am deeply sorry"? Apologies are a two-way street. Wrong is wrong, regardless of whether one is wearing a uniform or not. Lets be fair here and ask the cops to apologize for their misdeeds also, then your post will carry a lot more weight instead of being one-sided and showing a lot of obvious bias towards law enforcement. Thanks.

Really? Collective actions of police?

How often do you hear of a police officer shooting an innocent black man who had his hands up and defenseless?

Now, if the narrative were something along the lines of "don't harass me because I am black"...then I would accept your post as one with validity.

But the gesture of "hands up don't shoot" implies one thing and one thing only.....an individual with his/her hands in the air begging for their lives.

Yes, I stated it correctly. The collective actions of police. Also, the reference was to a gesture not necessarily denoting the actual raising of hands, but symbolizing defenseless and/or unarmed citizens. For example, the black man in the stairwell, the 12 year old in the park, the choking death of an unarmed defenseless black man, and many more all across this nation. The gesture is being used to express the unnecessary killing of defenseless unarmed citizens, many of which are black. Again, it is not restricted to raised hands as such in all killings, but the unnecessary acts of law enforcement in general.

Nope. You did not state it correctly. The examples you cited were not situations where a black individual had their hands up showing willingness to comply.

Hands up means willingness to comply.

Hands up means willingness to comply.

Get it?

You did not state it correctly.

It is a protest gesture relating to the unnecessary actions of law enforcement. It does not carry the meaning of surrender or compliance. Yes, in Ferguson, it was meant to show that an officer shot and killed and unarmed man while the man's hands where raised, that's a given. But, as it spread across the country, it became a symbol of unnecessary shootings and violence against citizens. The same gesture was used in New York where a black man was strangled to death. It was used in New York where a black man was shot and killed while climbing the stairs to his apartment after returning from shopping. It has been used for months now all across this country, and used whether there's a question of actual raised hands or not. It is a protest statement signifying unnecessary force by police officers. Yes, it did start in Ferguson, but since has spread and used as a general protest gesture against police violence.

Basing a "symbol" on a lie is pathetic and makes that symbol more than worthless,it makes it down right criminal in this case. It got a shitload of cops shot and some killed.
All it does is make the user look like an imbecile at this point. And after watching the interviews of some of the protesters I'd say it's an apt description.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Wow, that is stupid.

Can you name any race, creed or color that was not a slave to some other race, creed or color at some time in history?

Well this is like saying the Holocaust was no biggie since every race faced murderers and killers

Dont see any Jews using that as an excuse for criminal activity.

Thats because we were talking about rates of poverty

Than I guess your boy obama better do something about it.
Unfortunately he's made things worse.

You say things that arent true then when get called on it you change the subject

Than why are they poor?

 

[Sonny Clark]

Because "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" is a BAD message?

Yes...because my guess few. if NO person is shot by police when they have their hands up and asking for the o

In my opinion, the gesture is a statement concerning the collective actions of police, and not just that one incident. Yes, it did start with the case of Wilson/Brown, but has since moved on to other areas of the country as a reminder of police actions everywhere. I don't believe that the gesture is confined to Missouri. I believe that the gesture spread because police are practicing the same conduct nationwide, and folks have had enough of "trigger happy cops". No one can deny police brutality, cold blooded murder, rape, stealing, taking bribes, lying in court, getting a free pass in our judicial system, and other conduct that cops arrest others for.

We can single out any one incident and defend cops, but no one can defend the general conduct reported and recorded daily all across this nation. An apology works both ways. How many times have you heard a cop apologize, or step in front of the mic and camera and say, "I made a terrible mistake, for which I am deeply sorry"? Apologies are a two-way street. Wrong is wrong, regardless of whether one is wearing a uniform or not. Lets be fair here and ask the cops to apologize for their misdeeds also, then your post will carry a lot more weight instead of being one-sided and showing a lot of obvious bias towards law enforcement. Thanks.

Really? Collective actions of police?

How often do you hear of a police officer shooting an innocent black man who had his hands up and defenseless?

Now, if the narrative were something along the lines of "don't harass me because I am black"...then I would accept your post as one with validity.

But the gesture of "hands up don't shoot" implies one thing and one thing only.....an individual with his/her hands in the air begging for their lives.

Yes, I stated it correctly. The collective actions of police. Also, the reference was to a gesture not necessarily denoting the actual raising of hands, but symbolizing defenseless and/or unarmed citizens. For example, the black man in the stairwell, the 12 year old in the park, the choking death of an unarmed defenseless black man, and many more all across this nation. The gesture is being used to express the unnecessary killing of defenseless unarmed citizens, many of which are black. Again, it is not restricted to raised hands as such in all killings, but the unnecessary acts of law enforcement in general.

Nope. You did not state it correctly. The examples you cited were not situations where a black individual had their hands up showing willingness to comply.

Hands up means willingness to comply.

Hands up means willingness to comply.

Get it?

You did not state it correctly.

It is a protest gesture relating to the unnecessary actions of law enforcement. It does not carry the meaning of surrender or compliance. Yes, in Ferguson, it was meant to show that an officer shot and killed and unarmed man while the man's hands where raised, that's a given. But, as it spread across the country, it became a symbol of unnecessary shootings and violence against citizens. The same gesture was used in New York where a black man was strangled to death. It was used in New York where a black man was shot and killed while climbing the stairs to his apartment after returning from shopping. It has been used for months now all across this country, and used whether there's a question of actual raised hands or not. It is a protest statement signifying unnecessary force by police officers. Yes, it did start in Ferguson, but since has spread and used as a general protest gesture against police violence.

Hands up don't shoot is an antagonistic gesture and it paints the police forces of this nation as POTENTIAL cold blooded murderers.
Someone with his hands up, as it pertains to the police, do not need to worry about being shot by the police; thus making that gesture inappropriate.


The left got all up in arms....ELECTED POLITICIANS INCLUDED......when Sarah Palin used the image of a scope target to designate targeted areas for political campaigning.

Yet those same people and ELECTED POLITICIANS do not see the danger in what hands up don't shoot comes across as.

Quite hypocritical.

People will exploit anything and everything, and especially politicians, what's new? People will ride a wave until it crashes onshore.

 

[BlindBoo]

POVERTY, NOT RACE, TIED TO HIGH CRIME RATES IN URBAN COMMUNITIES

nf poverty crime FEBRUARY

And which group is more likely to be poor? Yeah....

Former slaves?

Wow, that is stupid.

Can you name any race, creed or color that was not a slave to some other race, creed or color at some time in history?

What does that have to do with us enslaving an entire race, not to mention what was done keep them down in the following 100 years. It is no wonder that many are still poor.

Oh they're poor for a reason alright,but it has nothing to do with slavery.

Deep down in your gut, you feel that's true, don't you?

 

[Jarhead]

The left has created a media campaign against cops over a bold-faced lie, and it's time they collectively admit their deceit and apologize for all of the deaths and destruction they have caused.


Since it has been proved in court and in the news on multiple occasions that Michael Brown never raised his hands to surrender, and that he was actually guilty of not only robbery, but of attacking a police-officer when he was shot and killed, don't you think it's time that the perpetrators of this hoax (The Obama Administration, Eric Holder, Black Members of Congress, St Louis Rams Football Players) apologize for the outright lie that "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" is????

Just like Man-made Global Warming, this farce is based off of a pack of lies, and it's about time that the people that started this lie, and used it for nefarious perposes, apologize for all of the trouble that has resulted from it.

In my opinion, the gesture is a statement concerning the collective actions of police, and not just that one incident. Yes, it did start with the case of Wilson/Brown, but has since moved on to other areas of the country as a reminder of police actions everywhere. I don't believe that the gesture is confined to Missouri. I believe that the gesture spread because police are practicing the same conduct nationwide, and folks have had enough of "trigger happy cops". No one can deny police brutality, cold blooded murder, rape, stealing, taking bribes, lying in court, getting a free pass in our judicial system, and other conduct that cops arrest others for.

We can single out any one incident and defend cops, but no one can defend the general conduct reported and recorded daily all across this nation. An apology works both ways. How many times have you heard a cop apologize, or step in front of the mic and camera and say, "I made a terrible mistake, for which I am deeply sorry"? Apologies are a two-way street. Wrong is wrong, regardless of whether one is wearing a uniform or not. Lets be fair here and ask the cops to apologize for their misdeeds also, then your post will carry a lot more weight instead of being one-sided and showing a lot of obvious bias towards law enforcement. Thanks.

Really? Collective actions of police?

How often do you hear of a police officer shooting an innocent black man who had his hands up and defenseless?

Now, if the narrative were something along the lines of "don't harass me because I am black"...then I would accept your post as one with validity.

But the gesture of "hands up don't shoot" implies one thing and one thing only.....an individual with his/her hands in the air begging for their lives.

Yes, I stated it correctly. The collective actions of police. Also, the reference was to a gesture not necessarily denoting the actual raising of hands, but symbolizing defenseless and/or unarmed citizens. For example, the black man in the stairwell, the 12 year old in the park, the choking death of an unarmed defenseless black man, and many more all across this nation. The gesture is being used to express the unnecessary killing of defenseless unarmed citizens, many of which are black. Again, it is not restricted to raised hands as such in all killings, but the unnecessary acts of law enforcement in general.

Please cite an example where a black individual had surrendered themselves to police, but was shot anyway.

And I mean in recent history.

The one that was asked by a cop to show ID, then was shot while reaching into his vehicle to get his ID. It was on the news, along with the dash cam video from the cop car.

Yes...that was an unusual situation. Truth is, the officer did what he was trained to do while the driver did exactly what he was taught NOT to do....unless, of course, he did not consider the drivers manual for drivers permits an important thing to read.

When stopped by an officer, you are to keep both hands in view of the officer and you are NEVER to reach into a vehicle if you are outside of a vehicle.

Now, that being said, this was an unfortunate situation but had absolutely nothing do with hands up don't shoot...accidents, sadly, do happen.

Nice try..........

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

And which group is more likely to be poor? Yeah....

Former slaves?

Wow, that is stupid.

Can you name any race, creed or color that was not a slave to some other race, creed or color at some time in history?

What does that have to do with us enslaving an entire race, not to mention what was done keep them down in the following 100 years. It is no wonder that many are still poor.

Oh they're poor for a reason alright,but it has nothing to do with slavery.

Deep down in your gut, you feel that's true, don't you?

Oh I know it's true. Blaming failure on something that has absolutely nothing to do with you is a cop out.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Because "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" is a BAD message?

Yes...because my guess few. if NO person is shot by police when they have their hands up and asking for the o

In my opinion, the gesture is a statement concerning the collective actions of police, and not just that one incident. Yes, it did start with the case of Wilson/Brown, but has since moved on to other areas of the country as a reminder of police actions everywhere. I don't believe that the gesture is confined to Missouri. I believe that the gesture spread because police are practicing the same conduct nationwide, and folks have had enough of "trigger happy cops". No one can deny police brutality, cold blooded murder, rape, stealing, taking bribes, lying in court, getting a free pass in our judicial system, and other conduct that cops arrest others for.

We can single out any one incident and defend cops, but no one can defend the general conduct reported and recorded daily all across this nation. An apology works both ways. How many times have you heard a cop apologize, or step in front of the mic and camera and say, "I made a terrible mistake, for which I am deeply sorry"? Apologies are a two-way street. Wrong is wrong, regardless of whether one is wearing a uniform or not. Lets be fair here and ask the cops to apologize for their misdeeds also, then your post will carry a lot more weight instead of being one-sided and showing a lot of obvious bias towards law enforcement. Thanks.

Really? Collective actions of police?

How often do you hear of a police officer shooting an innocent black man who had his hands up and defenseless?

Now, if the narrative were something along the lines of "don't harass me because I am black"...then I would accept your post as one with validity.

But the gesture of "hands up don't shoot" implies one thing and one thing only.....an individual with his/her hands in the air begging for their lives.

Yes, I stated it correctly. The collective actions of police. Also, the reference was to a gesture not necessarily denoting the actual raising of hands, but symbolizing defenseless and/or unarmed citizens. For example, the black man in the stairwell, the 12 year old in the park, the choking death of an unarmed defenseless black man, and many more all across this nation. The gesture is being used to express the unnecessary killing of defenseless unarmed citizens, many of which are black. Again, it is not restricted to raised hands as such in all killings, but the unnecessary acts of law enforcement in general.

Nope. You did not state it correctly. The examples you cited were not situations where a black individual had their hands up showing willingness to comply.

Hands up means willingness to comply.

Hands up means willingness to comply.

Get it?

You did not state it correctly.

It is a protest gesture relating to the unnecessary actions of law enforcement. It does not carry the meaning of surrender or compliance. Yes, in Ferguson, it was meant to show that an officer shot and killed and unarmed man while the man's hands where raised, that's a given. But, as it spread across the country, it became a symbol of unnecessary shootings and violence against citizens. The same gesture was used in New York where a black man was strangled to death. It was used in New York where a black man was shot and killed while climbing the stairs to his apartment after returning from shopping. It has been used for months now all across this country, and used whether there's a question of actual raised hands or not. It is a protest statement signifying unnecessary force by police officers. Yes, it did start in Ferguson, but since has spread and used as a general protest gesture against police violence.

Basing a "symbol" on a lie is pathetic and makes that symbol more than worthless,it makes it down right criminal in this case. It got a shitload of cops shot and some killed.
All it does is make the user look like an imbecile at this point. And after watching the interviews of some of the protesters I'd say it's an apt description.

You do have the right to express your opinion concerning the gesture, and I respect your right to do so. Some feel the same as you do about the gesture, and some don't. Each to their own, as the saying goes.

 

[Jarhead]

The problem is, we have tens of thousands of officers in this country, and the best you can find is one incident to paint the narrative of "hands up don't shoot" as a viable narrative.

Should police officers have a narrative of "don't ambush me or my kids will lose a daddy" because of the few assholes that ambush cops?

 

[Jarhead]

Because "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" is a BAD message?

Yes...because my guess few. if NO person is shot by police when they have their hands up and asking for the o

Really? Collective actions of police?

How often do you hear of a police officer shooting an innocent black man who had his hands up and defenseless?

Now, if the narrative were something along the lines of "don't harass me because I am black"...then I would accept your post as one with validity.

But the gesture of "hands up don't shoot" implies one thing and one thing only.....an individual with his/her hands in the air begging for their lives.

Yes, I stated it correctly. The collective actions of police. Also, the reference was to a gesture not necessarily denoting the actual raising of hands, but symbolizing defenseless and/or unarmed citizens. For example, the black man in the stairwell, the 12 year old in the park, the choking death of an unarmed defenseless black man, and many more all across this nation. The gesture is being used to express the unnecessary killing of defenseless unarmed citizens, many of which are black. Again, it is not restricted to raised hands as such in all killings, but the unnecessary acts of law enforcement in general.

Nope. You did not state it correctly. The examples you cited were not situations where a black individual had their hands up showing willingness to comply.

Hands up means willingness to comply.

Hands up means willingness to comply.

Get it?

You did not state it correctly.

It is a protest gesture relating to the unnecessary actions of law enforcement. It does not carry the meaning of surrender or compliance. Yes, in Ferguson, it was meant to show that an officer shot and killed and unarmed man while the man's hands where raised, that's a given. But, as it spread across the country, it became a symbol of unnecessary shootings and violence against citizens. The same gesture was used in New York where a black man was strangled to death. It was used in New York where a black man was shot and killed while climbing the stairs to his apartment after returning from shopping. It has been used for months now all across this country, and used whether there's a question of actual raised hands or not. It is a protest statement signifying unnecessary force by police officers. Yes, it did start in Ferguson, but since has spread and used as a general protest gesture against police violence.

Basing a "symbol" on a lie is pathetic and makes that symbol more than worthless,it makes it down right criminal in this case. It got a shitload of cops shot and some killed.
All it does is make the user look like an imbecile at this point. And after watching the interviews of some of the protesters I'd say it's an apt description.

You do have the right to express your opinion concerning the gesture, and I respect your right to do so. Some feel the same as you do about the gesture, and some don't. Each to their own, as the saying goes.

there are certain forms of speech that are inappropriate and sometimes deadly.....and therefore should not be treated as "freedom of speech". Yelling "fire" in a crowded movie theatre is one of them.

Painting all officers as one who may shoot an individual with their hands up is very dangerous "speech" and should not be pushed by elected officials.

Elected officials should put it to rest....not promote it.

It takes away from officers trying to do their jobs.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

In my opinion, the gesture is a statement concerning the collective actions of police, and not just that one incident. Yes, it did start with the case of Wilson/Brown, but has since moved on to other areas of the country as a reminder of police actions everywhere. I don't believe that the gesture is confined to Missouri. I believe that the gesture spread because police are practicing the same conduct nationwide, and folks have had enough of "trigger happy cops". No one can deny police brutality, cold blooded murder, rape, stealing, taking bribes, lying in court, getting a free pass in our judicial system, and other conduct that cops arrest others for.

We can single out any one incident and defend cops, but no one can defend the general conduct reported and recorded daily all across this nation. An apology works both ways. How many times have you heard a cop apologize, or step in front of the mic and camera and say, "I made a terrible mistake, for which I am deeply sorry"? Apologies are a two-way street. Wrong is wrong, regardless of whether one is wearing a uniform or not. Lets be fair here and ask the cops to apologize for their misdeeds also, then your post will carry a lot more weight instead of being one-sided and showing a lot of obvious bias towards law enforcement. Thanks.

Really? Collective actions of police?

How often do you hear of a police officer shooting an innocent black man who had his hands up and defenseless?

Now, if the narrative were something along the lines of "don't harass me because I am black"...then I would accept your post as one with validity.

But the gesture of "hands up don't shoot" implies one thing and one thing only.....an individual with his/her hands in the air begging for their lives.

Yes, I stated it correctly. The collective actions of police. Also, the reference was to a gesture not necessarily denoting the actual raising of hands, but symbolizing defenseless and/or unarmed citizens. For example, the black man in the stairwell, the 12 year old in the park, the choking death of an unarmed defenseless black man, and many more all across this nation. The gesture is being used to express the unnecessary killing of defenseless unarmed citizens, many of which are black. Again, it is not restricted to raised hands as such in all killings, but the unnecessary acts of law enforcement in general.

Please cite an example where a black individual had surrendered themselves to police, but was shot anyway.

And I mean in recent history.

The one that was asked by a cop to show ID, then was shot while reaching into his vehicle to get his ID. It was on the news, along with the dash cam video from the cop car.

Yes...that was an unusual situation. Truth is, the officer did what he was trained to do while the driver did exactly what he was taught NOT to do....unless, of course, he did not consider the drivers manual for drivers permits an important thing to read.

When stopped by an officer, you are to keep both hands in view of the officer and you are NEVER to reach into a vehicle if you are outside of a vehicle.

Now, that being said, this was an unfortunate situation but had absolutely nothing do with hands up don't shoot...accidents, sadly, do happen.

Nice try..........

I have to disagree on this one. It's one of the very few situations where the cop was in the wrong.
He told him to get his license and insurance and thats what he was doing.
That the cop didnt connect the guys action to his command makes him an idiot who has no business being a cop.
Obviously in hind sight the guy should have told the cop that he had to retrieve his info from the truck,but at the time he thought he was complying with the officers orders and the cop should have realized that.

 

[Sonny Clark]

In my opinion, the gesture is a statement concerning the collective actions of police, and not just that one incident. Yes, it did start with the case of Wilson/Brown, but has since moved on to other areas of the country as a reminder of police actions everywhere. I don't believe that the gesture is confined to Missouri. I believe that the gesture spread because police are practicing the same conduct nationwide, and folks have had enough of "trigger happy cops". No one can deny police brutality, cold blooded murder, rape, stealing, taking bribes, lying in court, getting a free pass in our judicial system, and other conduct that cops arrest others for.

We can single out any one incident and defend cops, but no one can defend the general conduct reported and recorded daily all across this nation. An apology works both ways. How many times have you heard a cop apologize, or step in front of the mic and camera and say, "I made a terrible mistake, for which I am deeply sorry"? Apologies are a two-way street. Wrong is wrong, regardless of whether one is wearing a uniform or not. Lets be fair here and ask the cops to apologize for their misdeeds also, then your post will carry a lot more weight instead of being one-sided and showing a lot of obvious bias towards law enforcement. Thanks.

Really? Collective actions of police?

How often do you hear of a police officer shooting an innocent black man who had his hands up and defenseless?

Now, if the narrative were something along the lines of "don't harass me because I am black"...then I would accept your post as one with validity.

But the gesture of "hands up don't shoot" implies one thing and one thing only.....an individual with his/her hands in the air begging for their lives.

Yes, I stated it correctly. The collective actions of police. Also, the reference was to a gesture not necessarily denoting the actual raising of hands, but symbolizing defenseless and/or unarmed citizens. For example, the black man in the stairwell, the 12 year old in the park, the choking death of an unarmed defenseless black man, and many more all across this nation. The gesture is being used to express the unnecessary killing of defenseless unarmed citizens, many of which are black. Again, it is not restricted to raised hands as such in all killings, but the unnecessary acts of law enforcement in general.

Please cite an example where a black individual had surrendered themselves to police, but was shot anyway.

And I mean in recent history.

The one that was asked by a cop to show ID, then was shot while reaching into his vehicle to get his ID. It was on the news, along with the dash cam video from the cop car.

Yes...that was an unusual situation. Truth is, the officer did what he was trained to do while the driver did exactly what he was taught NOT to do....unless, of course, he did not consider the drivers manual for drivers permits an important thing to read.

When stopped by an officer, you are to keep both hands in view of the officer and you are NEVER to reach into a vehicle if you are outside of a vehicle.

Now, that being said, this was an unfortunate situation but had absolutely nothing do with hands up don't shoot...accidents, sadly, do happen.

Nice try..........

You asked for an example, and I gave you one of many. Cops are NOT GOD, nor are they GODS, period. I believe that another poster also gave you an example in this thread. There are many reported and recorded. Do your research. What's sad, is that cops shoot and ask questions later. Example, the 12 year old boy in the park. The 92 year old unarmed woman in Austell Georgia. The young teen girl beaten severely by a cop. Yep, they're saints alright, just doing their job as instructed.

 

[BlindBoo]

Former slaves?

Wow, that is stupid.

Can you name any race, creed or color that was not a slave to some other race, creed or color at some time in history?

What does that have to do with us enslaving an entire race, not to mention what was done keep them down in the following 100 years. It is no wonder that many are still poor.

Oh they're poor for a reason alright,but it has nothing to do with slavery.

Deep down in your gut, you feel that's true, don't you?

Oh I know it's true. Blaming failure on something that has absolutely nothing to do with you is a cop out.

Next we turn to the impact of slavery on current income disparities and we find that it is indeed associated with a higher degree of income inequality. In other words, former slave counties are more unequal in the present day. They also show a higher poverty rate and a higher degree of racial inequality. Moreover, the data say that the impact of slavery on economic inequality and poverty runs through its impact on racial inequality, and not vice versa.

The historical roots of inequality Evidence from slavery in the US VOX CEPR s Policy Portal

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Wow, that is stupid.

Can you name any race, creed or color that was not a slave to some other race, creed or color at some time in history?

What does that have to do with us enslaving an entire race, not to mention what was done keep them down in the following 100 years. It is no wonder that many are still poor.

Oh they're poor for a reason alright,but it has nothing to do with slavery.

Deep down in your gut, you feel that's true, don't you?

Oh I know it's true. Blaming failure on something that has absolutely nothing to do with you is a cop out.

Next we turn to the impact of slavery on current income disparities and we find that it is indeed associated with a higher degree of income inequality. In other words, former slave counties are more unequal in the present day. They also show a higher poverty rate and a higher degree of racial inequality. Moreover, the data say that the impact of slavery on economic inequality and poverty runs through its impact on racial inequality, and not vice versa.

The historical roots of inequality Evidence from slavery in the US VOX CEPR s Policy Portal

Thats a load of horseshit.
I know many blacks who are successful. It's the fault of the parents raising them to hate and distrust white people and to accept the ghetto mentality as normal.
If you were to have two children from the ghetto and took one and placed him/her in a normal family environment at birth what do you want to bet the placed child would be successful?

 

[Sonny Clark]

The problem is, we have tens of thousands of officers in this country, and the best you can find is one incident to paint the narrative of "hands up don't shoot" as a viable narrative.

Should police officers have a narrative of "don't ambush me or my kids will lose a daddy" because of the few assholes that ambush cops?

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Innocent Down Documenting Innocent People Killed by Law Enforcement
The Rutherford Institute Licensed to Kill The Growing Phenomenon of Police Shooting Unarmed Citizens


Police Shootings Of Unarmed Men Often Have Something In Common The Waistband Defense
Are deaths from police shootings the highest in 20 years PolitiFact
Top Five Police Shootings of Unarmed Citizens and they got away with it too Political Blind Spot

 

[ClosedCaption]

Here we go likes to change the subject or make mind blowing points like "I know blacks who are successful" and to him that means that discrimination doesnt exist or something...its hard to tell since he makes a fake point, loses then changes the subject

 

[bodecea]

Because "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" is a BAD message?

Yes...because my guess few. if NO person is shot by police when they have their hands up and asking for the o

In my opinion, the gesture is a statement concerning the collective actions of police, and not just that one incident. Yes, it did start with the case of Wilson/Brown, but has since moved on to other areas of the country as a reminder of police actions everywhere. I don't believe that the gesture is confined to Missouri. I believe that the gesture spread because police are practicing the same conduct nationwide, and folks have had enough of "trigger happy cops". No one can deny police brutality, cold blooded murder, rape, stealing, taking bribes, lying in court, getting a free pass in our judicial system, and other conduct that cops arrest others for.

We can single out any one incident and defend cops, but no one can defend the general conduct reported and recorded daily all across this nation. An apology works both ways. How many times have you heard a cop apologize, or step in front of the mic and camera and say, "I made a terrible mistake, for which I am deeply sorry"? Apologies are a two-way street. Wrong is wrong, regardless of whether one is wearing a uniform or not. Lets be fair here and ask the cops to apologize for their misdeeds also, then your post will carry a lot more weight instead of being one-sided and showing a lot of obvious bias towards law enforcement. Thanks.

Really? Collective actions of police?

How often do you hear of a police officer shooting an innocent black man who had his hands up and defenseless?

Now, if the narrative were something along the lines of "don't harass me because I am black"...then I would accept your post as one with validity.

But the gesture of "hands up don't shoot" implies one thing and one thing only.....an individual with his/her hands in the air begging for their lives.

Yes, I stated it correctly. The collective actions of police. Also, the reference was to a gesture not necessarily denoting the actual raising of hands, but symbolizing defenseless and/or unarmed citizens. For example, the black man in the stairwell, the 12 year old in the park, the choking death of an unarmed defenseless black man, and many more all across this nation. The gesture is being used to express the unnecessary killing of defenseless unarmed citizens, many of which are black. Again, it is not restricted to raised hands as such in all killings, but the unnecessary acts of law enforcement in general.

Nope. You did not state it correctly. The examples you cited were not situations where a black individual had their hands up showing willingness to comply.

Hands up means willingness to comply.

Hands up means willingness to comply.

Get it?

You did not state it correctly.

It is a protest gesture relating to the unnecessary actions of law enforcement. It does not carry the meaning of surrender or compliance. Yes, in Ferguson, it was meant to show that an officer shot and killed and unarmed man while the man's hands where raised, that's a given. But, as it spread across the country, it became a symbol of unnecessary shootings and violence against citizens. The same gesture was used in New York where a black man was strangled to death. It was used in New York where a black man was shot and killed while climbing the stairs to his apartment after returning from shopping. It has been used for months now all across this country, and used whether there's a question of actual raised hands or not. It is a protest statement signifying unnecessary force by police officers. Yes, it did start in Ferguson, but since has spread and used as a general protest gesture against police violence.

Hands up don't shoot is an antagonistic gesture and it paints the police forces of this nation as POTENTIAL cold blooded murderers.
Someone with his hands up, as it pertains to the police, do not need to worry about being shot by the police; thus making that gesture inappropriate.


The left got all up in arms....ELECTED POLITICIANS INCLUDED......when Sarah Palin used the image of a scope target to designate targeted areas for political campaigning.

Yet those same people and ELECTED POLITICIANS do not see the danger in what hands up don't shoot comes across as.

Quite hypocritical.

An antagonist gesture........interesting. Antagonistic enough to get one shot?

 

[BlindBoo]

What does that have to do with us enslaving an entire race, not to mention what was done keep them down in the following 100 years. It is no wonder that many are still poor.

Oh they're poor for a reason alright,but it has nothing to do with slavery.

Deep down in your gut, you feel that's true, don't you?

Oh I know it's true. Blaming failure on something that has absolutely nothing to do with you is a cop out.

Next we turn to the impact of slavery on current income disparities and we find that it is indeed associated with a higher degree of income inequality. In other words, former slave counties are more unequal in the present day. They also show a higher poverty rate and a higher degree of racial inequality. Moreover, the data say that the impact of slavery on economic inequality and poverty runs through its impact on racial inequality, and not vice versa.

The historical roots of inequality Evidence from slavery in the US VOX CEPR s Policy Portal

Thats a load of horseshit.
I know many blacks who are successful. It's the fault of the parents raising them to hate and distrust white people and to accept the ghetto mentality as normal.
If you were to have two children from the ghetto and took one and placed him/her in a normal family environment at birth what do you want to bet the placed child would be successful?

More Truthiness.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/magazine/17FOB-onlanguage-t.html

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Wow, that is stupid.

Can you name any race, creed or color that was not a slave to some other race, creed or color at some time in history?

What does that have to do with us enslaving an entire race, not to mention what was done keep them down in the following 100 years. It is no wonder that many are still poor.

Oh they're poor for a reason alright,but it has nothing to do with slavery.

Deep down in your gut, you feel that's true, don't you?

Oh I know it's true. Blaming failure on something that has absolutely nothing to do with you is a cop out.

Next we turn to the impact of slavery on current income disparities and we find that it is indeed associated with a higher degree of income inequality. In other words, former slave counties are more unequal in the present day. They also show a higher poverty rate and a higher degree of racial inequality. Moreover, the data say that the impact of slavery on economic inequality and poverty runs through its impact on racial inequality, and not vice versa.

The historical roots of inequality Evidence from slavery in the US VOX CEPR s Policy Portal

Still horse shit.
But if you truly believe it we should just write blacks of as hopeless because in your mind nothing will ever change with them.
Defeatist attitude you have there.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Here we go likes to change the subject or make mind blowing points like "I know blacks who are successful" and to him that means that discrimination doesnt exist or something...its hard to tell since he makes a fake point, loses then changes the subject

You're just to damn stupid to understand cause and effect.
If you placed a white child in a black ghetto family home he'd turn out just like any kid raised in such an environment.
Until you break that chain nothing will ever change.