i've re-considered the entire Ukraine case.. enter *your* opinions please..

[gipper]

Bullshit, anyone reading your tripe knows you love hating America and Ukraine far more than criticizing Pootler.

Only dumb people like you think that.

 

[AntonToo]

Only dumb people like you think that.

Really?

You support disolution of NATO
You favor US/NATO dropping all support for Ukraine or any other country Russia decides to invade next.
You are de-facto for Ukranian defeat against Russian invasion.
You are for all those things Putin only dreams about, while you mouth off about your supposed disaproval of Russian invasion and your supposed concern for Ukranians.

What am I wrong about?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Yeah…lol…only a fool thinks what the potus thinks doesn’t matter.

You might do some research on the USG’s rate of success at regime change. Have you considered Putin might be replaced by someone like Stalin? Of course you haven’t.

Putin is someone like Stalin.

 

[gipper]

Really?

You support disolution of NATO
You favor US/NATO dropping all support for Ukraine or any other country Russia decides to invade next.
You are de-facto for Ukranian defeat against Russian invasion.
You are for all those things Putin only dreams about, while you mouth off about your supposed disaproval of Russian invasion and your supposed concern for Ukranians.

What am I wrong about?

Yes yes and YES!!! Fuck Ukraine and fuck Russia and fuck you! What happens there is none of the USG’s business.

Eliminate NATO NOW. Should have been terminated when the USSR died. I’ve stated this multiple times in this forum.

There would no war if this had occurred.

I AM A NONINTERVENTIONIST.

 

[gipper]

Putin is someone like Stalin.

Yet another uninformed post by you.

 

[alexa]

Yes yes and YES!!! Fuck Ukraine and fuck Russia and fuck you! What happens there is none of the USG’s business.

Eliminate NATO NOW. Should have been terminated when the USSR died. I’ve stated this multiple times in this forum.

There would no war if this had occurred.

I AM A NONINTERVENTIONIST.

Well countries only intervene if there is something in it for them. What we all should be doing is giving our share to the people of Africa and other needing countries so that they can do everything possible to defend themselves from the climate catastrophe. Instead we are fighting wars while the people of Africa after serious drought brought on by CC are expecting a massive famine this winter killing millions of people but an awful lot of people seem to think they are so special because they support killing people.

 

[gipper]

Well countries only intervene if there is something in it for them. What we all should be doing is giving our share to the people of Africa and other needing countries so that they can do everything possible to defend themselves from the climate catastrophe. Instead we are fighting wars while the people of Africa after serious drought brought on by CC are expecting a massive famine this winter killing millions of people but an awful lot of people seem to think they are so special because they support killing people.

Unfortunately capitalism rules the world. Lots of money to be made by the oligarchs in war. Not much money in helping starving people.

The oligarchs claim to support efforts on controlling CC yet they push war, which has to be the worst thing they could do to the climate.

 

[alexa]

Unfortunately capitalism rules the world. Lots of money to be made by the oligarchs in war. Not much money in helping starving people.

The oligarchs claim to support efforts on controlling CC yet they push war, which has to be the worst thing they could do to the climate.

What do they think they can do with their money if we are experiencing the very worst the planet has to throw at us? If we are still using the same amount of fossil fuel in 7 or 8 years from now we will be unable to stop that but they still want to carry on doing it. Insanity. I know it lags but they know it is coming and they also know that unless they start pulling out all the stops yesterday, very few people will survive. The South is seeing the worst changes first. The floods in Pakistan and the famine in Africa. It comes from CC and the West have already said they will give these countries the money so where is it? All the Super rich have bought themselves underground apartments and some of them have their eyes on space stations. While these might work for Nuclear War they are not going to work once we have destroyed the world which we very nearly have. So clever they make humans extinct and do not allow their grand children the life they had the opportunity because they prefer killing other people. Insane.

 

[alexa]

This is a very interesting article by the New York Times in Feb of this year. Armed Nationalists in Ukraine Pose a Threat Not Just to Russia

They give the warning that going ahead with a war against Ukraine would not necessarily be a good thing as it might be something it is difficult to get out of. They are speaking about the far right nationalist groups and that they will not allow the Government to agree to peace until they want it, Zelensky will have no ability to choose when this war ends. This of course turned out to be true. Zelensky originally did not want war and it was not Russia who turned him into the zealot he became it was one or more of the Far Right Nationalist groups. He wanted them to stop fighting Russia so that he could get mark 2 of that agreement through and they told him he and his family would be dead before they stopped.

Surely Ukraine cannot be a democracy if they allow the ones with the strongest arms who are most feared to rule them?

 

[Redfish]

Can you provide an example of any "left wing zealot" who has ever supported Biden?

Biden promises wealthy donors he would not 'demonize' the rich

"Former Vice President Joe Biden told a room of affluent New York donors on Tuesday night that he doesn’t think it’s appropriate to 'demonize' the rich.

"'You know, what I’ve found is rich people are just as patriotic as poor people. Not a joke. I mean, we may not want to demonize anybody who has made money,' Biden told about 100 donors at the Carlyle Hotel on the Upper East Side, multiple media outlets reported."

"'We can disagree in the margins, but the truth of the matter is it’s all within our wheelhouse and nobody has to be punished. No one’s standard of living will change,' he continued, addressing a well-heeled group, including former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, former Deputy Treasury Secretary Roger Altman, and Goldman Sachs Chief Financial Officer Stephen Scherr, according to reports."

Left wing zealots understand the rich are the problem; Biden doesn't.

so the rich are the problem? have you told the hollywood loonies and the rap music porno fiends?

 

[Redfish]

Well countries only intervene if there is something in it for them. What we all should be doing is giving our share to the people of Africa and other needing countries so that they can do everything possible to defend themselves from the climate catastrophe. Instead we are fighting wars while the people of Africa after serious drought brought on by CC are expecting a massive famine this winter killing millions of people but an awful lot of people seem to think they are so special because they support killing people.

yes, and what is in Ukraine for us? Bribes for politicians via their kids---------Biden, Pelosi, Kerry, Romney just to list 4.

 

[Toro]

 

[georgephillip]

This nonsensical claim doesn't become any less stupid with repetition.

Anyone disputing US meddling in Ukraine over the past thirty years left "stupid" behind decades ago.

In the rapidly worsening Ukraine fiasco, the U.S. is reaping exactly what it sowed

"The most critical events that have been airbrushed out of the West's political narrative are the violation of agreements made by Western leaders at the end of the Cold War not to expand NATO into Eastern Europe, and the U.S.-backed coup in Ukraine in February 2014.

"Western mainstream media accounts date the crisis in Ukraine back to Russia's 2014 reintegration of Crimea, and the decision by ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine to secede from Ukraine as the Luhansk and Donetsk People's Republics.

"But these were not unprovoked actions.

"They were responses to the U.S.-backed coup, in which an armed mob led by the neo-Nazi Right Sector militia stormed the Ukrainian parliament, forcing elected President Viktor Yanukovych and members of his party to flee for their lives.

"After the events of Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington, that scenario should now be easier for Americans to understand."

 

[AntonToo]

I‘m concerned about the horrors the Ukrainian people are enduring

Yes yes and YES!!! Fuck Ukraine

And there you have it ladies and gentlemen.

 

[AntonToo]

This is a very interesting article by the New York Times in Feb of this year. Armed Nationalists in Ukraine Pose a Threat Not Just to Russia

They give the warning that going ahead with a war against Ukraine would not necessarily be a good thing as it might be something it is difficult to get out of. They are speaking about the far right nationalist groups and that they will not allow the Government to agree to peace until they want it, Zelensky will have no ability to choose when this war ends. This of course turned out to be true. Zelensky originally did not want war and it was not Russia who turned him into the zealot he became it was one or more of the Far Right Nationalist groups. He wanted them to stop fighting Russia so that he could get mark 2 of that agreement through and they told him he and his family would be dead before they stopped.

Surely Ukraine cannot be a democracy if they allow the ones with the strongest arms who are most feared to rule them?

Pure horseshit. Why the hell would Zelensky give away parts of his country while he has almost unanimous support of Ukranians and MEANS to fight back the invasion?

Ukraine does not need a pushover for Russia you imagine they do.

 

[Kondor3]

Putin's Wet Dream of a revived Soviet empire has cost the Russian People heavily in the past half-year...

Once upon a time, Russia actually "stood for something", but now they have degenerated back to 19th century imperialism, and it's not going well.

Looks like Putin will have his OWN "Port Arthur" and his own "Straits of Tsushima" ...the arrogant autocrat has overreached... and now he is paying the price.

 

[georgephillip]

Wtf does that prove? If someone speaks Russian then suddenly Russia has a right to invade a country?

If thousands of Russian speakers are killed by far-right thugs put in power by an illegal US-supported coup designed to facilitate regime change in Moscow, Russians have a right to self-defense.

 

[AntonToo]

If thousands of Russian speakers are killed by far-right thugs put in power by an illegal US-supported coup designed to facilitate regime change in Moscow, Russians have a right to self-defense.

20% of Kiev's population are ethnic Russians. 60% of Kharkiv speaks Russian. How many were "killed by far right thugs"?

Around NONE is the correct answer.

Conflict in Dombas obviously had little to do with what language people spoke, and everything to do with Russia arming SEPARATISTS who refused Ukranian sovereignty.

 

[miketx]

My opinion is we don't know what's going on because the media lies all the time.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Anyone disputing US meddling in Ukraine over the past thirty years left "stupid" behind decades ago.

In the rapidly worsening Ukraine fiasco, the U.S. is reaping exactly what it sowed

"The most critical events that have been airbrushed out of the West's political narrative are the violation of agreements made by Western leaders at the end of the Cold War not to expand NATO into Eastern Europe, and the U.S.-backed coup in Ukraine in February 2014.

"Western mainstream media accounts date the crisis in Ukraine back to Russia's 2014 reintegration of Crimea, and the decision by ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine to secede from Ukraine as the Luhansk and Donetsk People's Republics.

"But these were not unprovoked actions.

"They were responses to the U.S.-backed coup, in which an armed mob led by the neo-Nazi Right Sector militia stormed the Ukrainian parliament, forcing elected President Viktor Yanukovych and members of his party to flee for their lives.

"After the events of Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington, that scenario should now be easier for Americans to understand."

Again, this nonsense doesn't become any less stupid with repetition.