Jillian! Even The NY Times Has The Poll Results

[Newby]

Basically, yes. Oh noes, the rich can't buy a 2nd Yacht so that people don't starve to death. I feel oh so sorry for them.

Sounds like class envy to me.

 

[American Horse]

Well the 40% of non-liberals and non-conservatives seem to be trending hardcore Democratic. Pretty shitty for you, eh?

The trend is away from the D. side. Pretty shitty for you eh?

Really? Link for this?

Rasmussen Reports™: The Most Comprehensive Public Opinion Data Anywhere
"Generic Ballot Remains a Tie for Second Straight Week"
"Voters not affiliated with either party favor the GOP 33% to 23%."

Take note Nik - Rasmussen is a Democratic pollster.....

 

[Skull Pilot]

Nope, they're currently out of power. However it's the same policies, which is why there's little difference between Bush and Obama, other than the spending has gone from gargantuan to something I'm missing an adjective for. Still, it's a matter of degrees.

HMMM let's see

Dimocrats when in power increase the size scope and cost of government
Repudlicans when in power increase the size scope and cost of government

Yup sound the same to me.

Hmm, Republicans increase it by spying on Americans and spending huge amounts on wars and the military.

Democrats increase it by giving more rights and giving more government benefits.

Sounds really, really fucking different to me.

tell me exactly what are these "more rights" the dimocrats have given us?

the right to use our money to bail out GM and AIG?
The right to have taxes placed on health benefits
the right to have less disposable income
the right to a deficit that is 80% of GDP
the right to pay more taxes on soda, cigarettes and booze
the right to give my money to people like you who want more government hand outs.....I mean benefits

those rights?

 

[KMAN]

Interestingly, I think it's more a function of the constant and persistent whining from the right wing loonies. The people who didn't vote for him were never going to approve anyway....

and the people on the left are ticked off that he hasn't been ballsy enough on don't ask, don't tell; gitmo; health care and a bunch of other issues. I think it's time for him to stop accommodating the right. How do you like that?

there's your drop... no bigs. *shrug*

Just wait for the Minnesota Supreme Court to rule in favor of Franken so we get that 60th seat. Things will really pick up then.

But you are right that the right was never going to say he's doing a good job.

And people on the left tend to attack our own. We'll call Obama out for things like, saying he wants to give the Federal reserve more power??? I am sooo disappointed.

But you are right, the public is being bombarded by the right saying Obama is a socialist, or he's on tv too much, or whatever. Or that he's going to raise taxes, or continue to fund the war.

I'm not 100% happy with him either.

But the one that makes me laugh is when my right wing neo nut buddies say that Obama MUST do something about Iran.

Such as?

And if he does anything, they'll say he should have stayed out of it.

But to hear my right wing nut job friends say that we should do something about Iran's election, is absolutely laughable. First off, they stole our elections in 2000 and 2004. Should Iran have stepped in?

And if Obama sides with Amadenijad's opponent, then it'll get Iranians to side with Amadenijad, so we are better to shut up and let it play out.

And I'm not going to listen to right wingers when they complain that Obama is giving the bankers more power. That's what they want too. They want less government and more private corporations running our country, so while I agree giving the bankers more power is bullshit, I don't like the righties using it against Obama when they should be applauding him. If it were bush they would be.

Just because you have 60 Senators won't mean squat... They will still be forced to deal with the consequences of their actions... Just like they are now... Fact is the majority of Americans don't like what Obama has done... He will not be re-elected if he keep socializing the country...

 

[Nik]

Basically, yes. Oh noes, the rich can't buy a 2nd Yacht so that people don't starve to death. I feel oh so sorry for them.

Sounds like class envy to me.

Well that just proves your stupidity.

 

[Nik]

The trend is away from the D. side. Pretty shitty for you eh?

Really? Link for this?

Rasmussen Reports™: The Most Comprehensive Public Opinion Data Anywhere
"Generic Ballot Remains a Tie for Second Straight Week"
"Voters not affiliated with either party favor the GOP 33% to 23%."

Take note Nik - Rasmussen is a Democratic pollster.....

Rasmussen is a Democratic pollster? Evidence of that?

And that doesn't show the trend being away from the D side. It says that things remained the same as last week. Whoops!

 

[jillian]

A distinct gulf exists between Mr. Obama’s overall standing and how some of his key initiatives are viewed, with fewer than half of Americans saying they approve of how he has handled health care and the effort to save General Motors and Chrysler. A majority of people said his policies have had either no effect yet on improving the economy or had made it worse, underscoring how his political strength still rests on faith in his leadership rather than concrete results.

Obamas' only hope is that a Conservative Congress is elected to bail his sorry ass out.

sure... like they "helped" Bill Clinton.



why would you think the people who screwed up everything in the first place should be trusted again?

gotta get rid of your wingnuts....

 

[American Horse]

Basically, yes. Oh noes, the rich can't buy a 2nd Yacht so that people don't starve to death. I feel oh so sorry for them.

Sounds like class envy to me.

Well that just proves your stupidity.

Are you not aware that when a D Congress and D President passed a luxury tax on yachts that the yacht building industry (happily in the home state off the Senate sponsor) was nearly destroyed? But more to the point for you, a whole lot of ordinary working folks were put out of work?

 

[jillian]

Take note Nik - Rasmussen is a Democratic pollster.....

actually, that's incorrect. Rasmussen is a Republican pollster

 

[Newby]

Take note Nik - Rasmussen is a Democratic pollster.....

actually, that's incorrect. Rasmussen is a Republican pollster and has consistently been an outlier.

Make sure you show your links to Nik for proof of this, because I'm almost certain he won't be willing to take you at your word.

And that was sarcasm, in case anyone missed it.

 

[Nik]

Sounds like class envy to me.

Well that just proves your stupidity.

Are you not aware that when a D Congress and D President passed a luxury tax on yachts that the yacht building industry (happily in the home state off the Senate sponsor) was nearly destroyed? But more to the point for you, a whole lot of ordinary working folks were put out of work?

Just include a tax on Yachts that were bought outside the country as well. Problem solved.

 

[Newby]

Sounds like class envy to me.

Well that just proves your stupidity.

Are you not aware that when a D Congress and D President passed a luxury tax on yachts that the yacht building industry (happily in the home state off the Senate sponsor) was nearly destroyed? But more to the point for you, a whole lot of ordinary working folks were put out of work?

Just so they got those rich bastards, I'm sure the collateral damage is worth the while.

 

[Zoom-boing]

When are those on the left going to realize that it's government that is screwing we, the people. They're all spineless.

Can someone explain to me why when Bush overspent, it was bad but when Obama overspends (by much, much more), it's good?

 

[American Horse]

Take note Nik - Rasmussen is a Democratic pollster.....

actually, that's incorrect. Rasmussen is a Republican pollster

There are different opinions on that. For the longest time I heard that he was a D pollster because he worked mainly for Democrats. It seems that many democrats regard poll results meaningless if they aren't accurate. The rub comes in when polls are used to wag the dog.


Mystery Pollster: Rasmussen Update: A Lesson in Measurement Error (< this is a very interesting discussion about polls)

"Back to the Ad hominem: Come on, guys... think for a minute, why would one want to intentionally deceive oneself, or one's clients? If one wants to win, one should work hard to know the "real" opinions, if one can find them... I don't discredit Mark simply because he is an admitted democratic pollster."

 

[American Horse]

American Horse -
Are you not aware that when a D Congress and D President passed a luxury tax on yachts that the yacht building industry (happily in the home state off the Senate sponsor) was nearly destroyed? But more to the point for you, a whole lot of ordinary working folks were put out of work?

Nik - Just so they got those rich bastards, I'm sure the collateral damage is worth the while. [/QUOTE]<<<<- Ye gods...you are so brainwashed!

 

[Nik]

When are those on the left going to realize that it's government that is screwing we, the people. They're all spineless.

Can someone explain to me why when Bush overspent, it was bad but when Obama overspends (by much, much more), it's good?

It matters what you spend the money on. By the way, Obama isn't overspending by much, much more. A lot of the deficit this year is coming from decreased revenue due to the recession.

 

[Nik]

American Horse -
Are you not aware that when a D Congress and D President passed a luxury tax on yachts that the yacht building industry (happily in the home state off the Senate sponsor) was nearly destroyed? But more to the point for you, a whole lot of ordinary working folks were put out of work?

Nik - Just so they got those rich bastards, I'm sure the collateral damage is worth the while.

<<<<- Ye gods...you are so brainwashed![/QUOTE]

Wtf? You know I didn't say that, yes?

 

[DiamondDave]

When are those on the left going to realize that it's government that is screwing we, the people. They're all spineless.

Can someone explain to me why when Bush overspent, it was bad but when Obama overspends (by much, much more), it's good?

It matters what you spend the money on. By the way, Obama isn't overspending by much, much more. A lot of the deficit this year is coming from decreased revenue due to the recession.

Are you just blind, or are you that stupid?

The SPENDING is INDEED MUCH, MUCH more.... and he is spending that much more even with the notion that we could have lesser revenues to the government... but that is OK, because he is looking at more and more and more types and levels of taxation... all to pay for his (and the DEM congress's) unending "social programs"

And entitlements, contrary to what the warped uber-leftist mind thinks, is not 'good' spending... you may want to dream and THINK you are entitled to personal needs being taken care of by the government... and you may want to believe that government should be in almost every last aspect of your life, asserting control directly and indirectly (yes, increased taxation is indirect control)... but you really are not entitled to jack crap at the expense of others and the government

 

[American Horse]

Wtf? You know I didn't say that, yes?

Sorry Nik, my mistake; I should've been paying closer attention.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Nope, they're currently out of power. However it's the same policies, which is why there's little difference between Bush and Obama, other than the spending has gone from gargantuan to something I'm missing an adjective for. Still, it's a matter of degrees.

HMMM let's see

Dimocrats when in power increase the size scope and cost of government
Repudlicans when in power increase the size scope and cost of government

Yup sound the same to me.

Hmm, Republicans increase it by spying on Americans and spending huge amounts on wars and the military.

Democrats increase it by giving more rights and giving more government benefits.

Sounds really, really fucking different to me.

Obama voted for the FISA amendments which allow the government to spy on its own people, and the Democratically controlled Congress has increased the budget for the military. Not to mention the increase in troops in Afghanistan, the continuance of aggression in Pakistan, and the fact that the war in Iraq is still going on.

So no, there's no real difference between the two parties.