Jim Jordan: The left hates America, that's why they rely on "Experts" like Fauci instead of elected official who are accountable to the people

[pknopp]

I agree. People like Fau-Chi have way too much control over their multi-$billion research budgets without adequate oversight. Trump never signed off on that Wuhan restart, when he became aware of it he stopped it.

Trump admin pulls NIH grant for coronavirus research over ties to Wuhan lab at heart of conspiracy theories

Despite Trump's attacks, the US group doing the research defended the Wuhan lab.

abcnews.go.com

"Since Fiscal Year 2014, that work has been awarded to EcoHealth Alliance's "Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence" project in particular, which is explicitly focused on China and done in partnership with the Wuhan Institute and others.

Arguing that Trump was unaware of what people under him were doing isn't exactly a better excuse.

If you were president and you found out someone went behind your back and did something, what would you do to that person?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I agree. People like Fau-Chi have way too much control over their multi-$billion research budgets without adequate oversight. Trump never signed off on that Wuhan restart, when he became aware of it he stopped it.

Trump admin pulls NIH grant for coronavirus research over ties to Wuhan lab at heart of conspiracy theories

Despite Trump's attacks, the US group doing the research defended the Wuhan lab.

abcnews.go.com

"Since Fiscal Year 2014, that work has been awarded to EcoHealth Alliance's "Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence" project in particular, which is explicitly focused on China and done in partnership with the Wuhan Institute and others.

Interesting that Trump gets a free pass from you for not knowing about it for more than 3 years and Obama is personally responsible, even though it started under Bush II, who I am sure you will give a free pass to as well.

Oh, and yes Trump did sign off on that Wuhan restart when he submitted his budget request that contained that money, as well as when he signed the spending bills.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Arguing that Trump was unaware of what people under him were doing isn't exactly a better excuse.

It is sort of interesting they have to resort to "Trump was a shitty leader that did not know what was happening under his watch".

Cultism is a sad thing to watch.

 

[kyzr]

So, based on all the links in this thread...
Bush started it in 2008. Obama paused it in 2014, Trump started it again in 2017 and Trump ended it in 2020.
And oddly enough the only person you blame is Obama.
Hmmmm.....I wonder why that is

Getting warmer. Fau-Chi apparently controlled the funding with minimal oversight.
Actually Obama said to pause the Wuhan funding in 2014, but Fau-Chi ignored the Obama pause!

REVEALED: Fauci Ignored Obama's Ban on Gain-of-Function Research, Ordered Coronavirus Studies to Continue

redstate.com

Dr. Fauci, the NIAID, and the NIH ignored a ban on gain-of-function research instituted by the Obama administration in 2014 and continued to fund it until the Trump administration revoked funding in April 2020, and knowingly continued to fund research undertaken at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

 

[struth]

Arguing that Trump was unaware of what people under him were doing isn't exactly a better excuse.

If you were president and you found out someone went behind your back and did something, what would you do to that person?

pull funding like trump did

 

[pknopp]

Getting warmer. Fau-Chi apparently controlled the funding with minimal oversight.
Actually Obama said to pause the Wuhan funding in 2014, but Fau-Chi ignored the Obama pause!

REVEALED: Fauci Ignored Obama's Ban on Gain-of-Function Research, Ordered Coronavirus Studies to Continue

redstate.com

Dr. Fauci, the NIAID, and the NIH ignored a ban on gain-of-function research instituted by the Obama administration in 2014 and continued to fund it until the Trump administration revoked funding in April 2020, and knowingly continued to fund research undertaken at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

NIH Lifts Funding Pause on Gain-of-Function Research

 

[pknopp]

pull funding like trump did

You wouldn't fire the person who supposedly did things behind your back? (though I've posted the official NIH release on funding starting back up so nothing was done behind anyone's back)

NIH Lifts Funding Pause on Gain-of-Function Research

 

[kyzr]

It is sort of interesting they have to resort to "Trump was a shitty leader that did not know what was happening under his watch".
Cultism is a sad thing to watch.

Fau-Chi's bat research went on since 2008.
Fau-Chi ignored the pause by the Obama admin in 2014 and continued the bat virus research anyway.
Trump stopped the bat virus research.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Fau-Chi's bat research went on since 2008.
Fau-Chi ignored the pause by the Obama admin in 2014 and continued the bat virus research anyway.
Trump stopped the bat virus research.

There is no actual evidence that the pause was ignored, Redstate.com is not a valid source.

Trump stopped it after there was a worldwide pandemic.

Why did he wait so long? Why did he fund it for 3 years?

 

[surada]

Fauci did his thing he will always be known for under Trump.

Jordan would go to a hardware store to buy an engagement ring.

 

[kyzr]

NIH Lifts Funding Pause on Gain-of-Function Research

The bat virus funding was never stopped, until Trump stopped it.

REVEALED: Fauci Ignored Obama's Ban on Gain-of-Function Research, Ordered Coronavirus Studies to Continue

redstate.com

Dr. Fauci, the NIAID, and the NIH ignored a ban on gain-of-function research instituted by the Obama administration in 2014 and continued to fund it until the Trump administration revoked funding in April 2020, and knowingly continued to fund research undertaken at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The bat virus funding was never stopped, until Trump stopped it.

REVEALED: Fauci Ignored Obama's Ban on Gain-of-Function Research, Ordered Coronavirus Studies to Continue

redstate.com

Dr. Fauci, the NIAID, and the NIH ignored a ban on gain-of-function research instituted by the Obama administration in 2014 and continued to fund it until the Trump administration revoked funding in April 2020, and knowingly continued to fund research undertaken at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Lets pretend that the redstate story is actually true and that it was going on without Obama knowing about it.

Why did the Trump admin start openly funding it again in 2017?

 

[pknopp]

The bat virus funding was never stopped, until Trump stopped it.

REVEALED: Fauci Ignored Obama's Ban on Gain-of-Function Research, Ordered Coronavirus Studies to Continue

redstate.com

Dr. Fauci, the NIAID, and the NIH ignored a ban on gain-of-function research instituted by the Obama administration in 2014 and continued to fund it until the Trump administration revoked funding in April 2020, and knowingly continued to fund research undertaken at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

You can read official statements or believe conspiracy sites. I know which it will be.

NIH Lifts Funding Pause on Gain-of-Function Research

 

[kyzr]

There is no actual evidence that the pause was ignored, Redstate.com is not a valid source.
Trump stopped it after there was a worldwide pandemic.
Why did he wait so long? Why did he fund it for 3 years?

How about ABCnews?
Funding starting in 2008 continuing over 12 years, until Trump stopped it.

Trump admin pulls NIH grant for coronavirus research over ties to Wuhan lab at heart of conspiracy theories

Despite Trump's attacks, the US group doing the research defended the Wuhan lab.

abcnews.go.com

"EcoHealth Alliance has received NIH funding for this work since 2008, amounting to $5.96 million over 12 years, according to NIH data. That work has helped "develop predictive models of global 'hot spots' for the future emergence of bat viruses" and used its "large repository of bat biological samples to conduct targeted surveillance in these 'hot spots' for known and undiscovered bat pathogens," according to the group."

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You can read official statements or believe conspiracy sites. I know which it will be.

NIH Lifts Funding Pause on Gain-of-Function Research

Not even sure it really matters in the context of the discussion.

The bigger question is why did Trump openly start funding it again in 2017

 

[Harpy Eagle]

How about ABCnews?
Funding starting in 2008 continuing over 12 years, until Trump stopped it.

Trump admin pulls NIH grant for coronavirus research over ties to Wuhan lab at heart of conspiracy theories

Despite Trump's attacks, the US group doing the research defended the Wuhan lab.

abcnews.go.com

"EcoHealth Alliance has received NIH funding for this work since 2008, amounting to $5.96 million over 12 years, according to NIH data. That work has helped "develop predictive models of global 'hot spots' for the future emergence of bat viruses" and used its "large repository of bat biological samples to conduct targeted surveillance in these 'hot spots' for known and undiscovered bat pathogens," according to the group."

Yes, we all know that Trump tried to close the barn door after the pandemic hit. You worship him for that action, we wonder why he started openly paying for it again in 2017.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

That work has helped "develop predictive models of global 'hot spots' for the future emergence of bat viruses" and used its "large repository of bat biological samples to conduct targeted surveillance in these 'hot spots' for known and undiscovered bat pathogens," according to the group."

None of which is actually gain of function research.

 

[struth]

NIH Lifts Funding Pause on Gain-of-Function Research

that doesn’t change the facts in the link he provided. Fauci ignored the pause apparently

which begs the question now that we know that, why xiden gave him a promotion?

 

[kyzr]

Lets pretend that the redstate story is actually true and that it was going on without Obama knowing about it.
Why did the Trump admin start openly funding it again in 2017?

Fau-Chi's funding of bat virus gain-of-function research went on continuously since 2008, under the radar.
Apparently Fau-Chi's NIH $billion research budget gets very little oversight.
Trump didn't restart the Wuhan funding, it was funded since 2008, a few hundred thousand a year. No one apparently noticed it. Not Obama and not Trump.

 

[pknopp]

that doesn’t change the facts in the link he provided. Fauci ignored the pause apparently

which begs the question now that we know that, why xiden gave him a promotion?

Or why Trump didn't outright fire him.