Joe B updated Democratic Field Rating (Progressives only, please)

[bripat9643]

Joe Biden - He's pretty much in freefall right now. He could still pull a rally at South Carolina. Let's not forget, Bill Clinton lost both IA and NH, and still turned it around. His big strength remains that there's still a lot of good will for him in the African American community for being Obama's wingman for 8 years.

He will be right in the thick of this after SC

Liz Warren -

Probably turned out to be too smart for the room.

Oh yeah, that's the problem, too smart to be president, yeah, good call, I listen to her and am vividly reminded of why trump won

Her voice reminds me of scrapping fingernails on a chalk board.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Her voice reminds me of scrapping fingernails on a chalk board.

She reminds me of whistlers mother

 

[Dana7360]

Bloomberg got in late and is making a charge.
He is ten times richer than Trump and does well head to head with Trump.

When he is not slamming black kids against walls...

He is going to have to overcome some of his past statements - not sure he can. But - his tough on crime stuff would probably appeal to conservatives disenchanted with Trump.

His mistake was apologizing for it. Plus his gun confiscation plans should immediately disqualify him with all Americans.

Not apologizing for making a very bad choice is what republicans do. If a person is a good leader they will acknowledge their mistakes and work to correct the mistake. Not acknowledging the bad choice only guarantees that more bad choices will be made in the future.

As for the gun confiscation. No Bloomberg isn't for gun confiscation. That is Beto O'Rourke's thing and only for AR 15 weapons.

Bloomberg is for strict weapon safety laws. He agrees that the semi automatic weapons don't belong in the hands of civilians but he is against confiscating them. He advocates a buy back program.

When you go to the most extreme and make flat out wrong statements about things, people stop taking you seriously.

I don't support Bloomberg but lying about him will not do any good. People will stop listening and believing you even if you're telling truths. Stick to the truth and people will believe you every time.


Bloomberg Slams Beto O'Rourke's Gun Confiscation Plan As ‘So Impractical’

 

[Butch_Coolidge]

LOL, Joe
I love how well USMB'ers read.
Okay, all you Trump supporters, please sit this one out. You have 500 other threads where you can scream "They are all communists!!!"

I'm scrolling past all the neenerheads who are obviously illiterate and I will say this:
I'd vote for Biden, even though he's too old and his best chance was in 2016. He would have cleared Hillary by a mile and pounded Trump into the dust where he belongs.
I agree with you about Pete B. I'm not sure the US is ready.
I have never liked Liz.
Klobuchar is reasonable, but I don't like the idea of performing CPR on ObamaCare.
Sanders is the DNC's nightmare and while his support is certainly sending a strong message, we need to figure out just what that message is. Sure, he's likable, but he's far too socialist, "Democratic" or not. He is heavily supported by young people 18-29, who maybe don't know (or don't care) what his underlying message is. He is obsessed about rich people and redistributing wealth and taking half our paychecks to pay for stuff that maybe we don't need or want. He is extremely weak on anything but running the economy.
I'm a firm believer in safety net programs and universal healthcare, and I would accept more coming out of my paycheck to get that, but really, Sanders is way beyond that. That's just my opinion and I may be wrong. Correct me if so.

So you have no one to vote for?


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[Desperado]

 

[Butch_Coolidge]

There is a problem here that you and other fanatical trump haters have. In your desperation to beat Donnie, you guys will gladly sell your souls to another corporatist warmonger. You do this under the delusional ignorant belief that this is the only way to beat Donnie. Not realizing the establishment is duping you once again.

trump is about to lose because America doesn't want a dictator as president.

Your posts are very consistent. You show a clear pattern of consuming way too much MSM reporting. Try taking a step back.

Wring. I take in facts. And when you look at what trump is doing right now you see a president sliding towards dictatorship.

You have been duped. The D Party you support has passed nearly all of Donnie’s agenda. They love his huge budgets, massive military spending, foreign interventions, etc. They are not opposing any of his political policies. Don’t you find that unusual?

Why is it that everybody else is duped but the trump supporter? I have not been duped by jack shit. But you have and that's why we are coming dangerously close to allowing a dictator to run our country

So dictator is the new buzzword this week....


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[bripat9643]

Your two-minute hate aside, you really underestimate how much Trump is disliked. You are also assuming that the economy will keep chugging along even though there are signs of weakness.

I do think it will come down to Buttigeig, Sanders and Bloomberg, Bloomberg has some fence mending to do, but it's not impossible.

I do think Pete will consider leaving after super Tuesday. Bloomberg may run out of gas. He's got to debate sometimes. Sanders, Biden, Klobachar and Warren are the ones to look at in my view. Bloomberg doesn't have many more out of pocket comments to make on race before he's gone. And Pete, well his record is not good. Neither is Sanders. The reality of this entire thing happens when the 2 finalists go face to face. trump starts losing more votes when that happens. There have only been 2 primaries, we're not even close to the end of the first quarter. But republicans want to come in here making predictions.

So here's mine. trump loses in November. And he's working on his defeat right now by the things he is doing. The majority of Americans do not like a president that has decided to go after the people who did their jobs and who also have the right to oppose him as free citizens. This ain't Russia. People do not go to prison because they object to the president.

Trump is going after criminals and traitors. The majority of Americans believe in justice for the coup plotters.

The majority of Americans know that is not what trump is doing. The majority of Americans know there was no coup. Don't get your 30 percent fact free loons mistaken as the majority of Americans.

They know no such thing.

Yes the 70 percent of us outside of the fact free trump cult bubble know that is not what trump is doing because there was no mother fucking coup in the first damn place.

Only the 30 percent who are TDS morons don't understand that the Dims and the deep state where trying to remove a lawfully elected president.

 

[bripat9643]

Bloomberg got in late and is making a charge.
He is ten times richer than Trump and does well head to head with Trump.

When he is not slamming black kids against walls...

He is going to have to overcome some of his past statements - not sure he can. But - his tough on crime stuff would probably appeal to conservatives disenchanted with Trump.

His mistake was apologizing for it. Plus his gun confiscation plans should immediately disqualify him with all Americans.

Not apologizing for making a very bad choice is what republicans do. If a person is a good leader they will acknowledge their mistakes and work to correct the mistake. Not acknowledging the bad choice only guarantees that more bad choices will be made in the future.

As for the gun confiscation. No Bloomberg isn't for gun confiscation. That is Beto O'Rourke's thing and only for AR 15 weapons.

Bloomberg is for strict weapon safety laws. He agrees that the semi automatic weapons don't belong in the hands of civilians but he is against confiscating them. He advocates a buy back program.

When you go to the most extreme and make flat out wrong statements about things, people stop taking you seriously.

I don't support Bloomberg but lying about him will not do any good. People will stop listening and believing you even if you're telling truths. Stick to the truth and people will believe you every time.


Bloomberg Slams Beto O'Rourke's Gun Confiscation Plan As ‘So Impractical’

We made a good choice, douchebag. You and your ilk prove it every day.

 

[P@triot]

Okay, all you Trump supporters, please sit this one out. You have 500 other threads where you can scream "They are all communists!!!"

DECONSTRUCTING JOE B:

In no particular order.

Bernie Sanders - so far left he makes Joe think about voting GOP. Not exactly a good endorsement.

Peter Buttigeig - so gay, he makes even Joe B clench up his butt-cheeks. Not exactly a good endorsement.

Joe Biden - the expected front runner is admittedly in freefall headed straight for the nadir. Not exactly a good endorsement.

Liz Warren - got bogged down trying to explain how she went through school on an Indian grant when she's got less Indian in her than Bernie Sanders. Not exactly a good endorsement.

Amy Klochabar - not even considered a viable nominee hoping to place well enough to be picked up as VEEP. Not exactly a good endorsement.

Mike Bloomberg - not even considered a Democrat, but hell, he's got money to self-finance in lieu of public support. Not exactly a good endorsement.

Tom Steyer - he's in the race. Not exactly a good endorsement.

Tulsi Gabbard - something apparently involving refunds and Russians. Not exactly a good endorsement.


BUT GODDAMN, JOE'S GONNA PICK ONE OF THEM JUST TO VOTE AGAINST THE DONALD!!!

Hands down the post of 2020...

 

[P F Tinmore]

My problem with PB is that he is the mayor of the 4th largest city in IN. Not stunning qualifications

Again, more qualified than running a game show.

He's also the only vet in the group.

Not true. Tulsi Gabbard is an Iraq veteran and currently serves as a Major in the National Guard.

 

[Butch_Coolidge]

Her voice reminds me of scrapping fingernails on a chalk board.

She reminds me of whistlers mother

Or Norman Bates’s.


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[JoeB131]

There is a problem here that you and other fanatical trump haters have. In your desperation to beat Donnie, you guys will gladly sell your souls to another corporatist warmonger. You do this under the delusional ignorant belief that this is the only way to beat Donnie. Not realizing the establishment is duping you once again.

Again, you are worried about the Establishment. I'm not. I want the grownups in charge.

I'm actually more worried about Bernie beating Trump, because I don't think he can get all that much done.

 

[JoeB131]

I'd vote for Biden, even though he's too old and his best chance was in 2016. He would have cleared Hillary by a mile and pounded Trump into the dust where he belongs.
I agree with you about Pete B. I'm not sure the US is ready.
I have never liked Liz.
Klobuchar is reasonable, but I don't like the idea of performing CPR on ObamaCare.
Sanders is the DNC's nightmare and while his support is certainly sending a strong message, we need to figure out just what that message is. Sure, he's likable, but he's far too socialist, "Democratic" or not. He is heavily supported by young people 18-29, who maybe don't know (or don't care) what his underlying message is. He is obsessed about rich people and redistributing wealth and taking half our paychecks to pay for stuff that maybe we don't need or want. He is extremely weak on anything but running the economy.
I'm a firm believer in safety net programs and universal healthcare, and I would accept more coming out of my paycheck to get that, but really, Sanders is way beyond that. That's just my opinion and I may be wrong. Correct me if so.

NO, those are all valid concerns.

I do think that wealth inequality is a real problem, I'm not entirely sold that Bernie is the answer. My bigger concern with Bernie is the day after the election, can he run things?

 

[MisterBeale]

Hey Joe, what do you think of the following statement made by Caitlin Johnstone.

“The problem with threatening the DNC with a Trump re-election if they install a right-wing candidate is that Democratic Party elites don't care if Trump gets re-elected; he supports all their favorite agendas and they keep their jobs regardless. It's not a real threat to them.”

I think it depends on what you think the real threat of Trump is.

The problem of Trump is not so much his policies, they all end up closer to the center, even Trump.

It's his disregard for the rule of law and democratic institutions... That's why he needs to go. Which is why I would be equally comfortable voting for Sanders or Bloomberg, who are on the two edges of your extreme.

Personally, I also think Bloomberg would probably be better at running the country, as he has a long history of working with diverse groups to get things done. Sanders, on the other hand, as Hillary said, has been in Congress for 40 years and has no friends there.

There is a problem here that you and other fanatical trump haters have. In your desperation to beat Donnie, you guys will gladly sell your souls to another corporatist warmonger. You do this under the delusional ignorant belief that this is the only way to beat Donnie. Not realizing the establishment is duping you once again.

Agreed.

Steyer and Bloomberg Have Astroturf, Not Grassroots
Steyer and Bloomberg Have Astroturf, Not Grassroots

Mike Bloomberg will pay you $150 to say nice things about him
What will Bloomberg try to buy next? His campaign is quietly hiring Instagram influencers to make him seem cool
Mike Bloomberg will pay you $150 to say nice things about him

Bloomberg hired Fyre Festival promoters to make his campaign memes
The ads from influencers are designed to make Bloomberg look ‘cool’
Bloomberg hired Fyre Festival promoters to make his campaign memes

 

[karpenter]

...you can scream "They are all communists!!!"

O.K. ...
They Are All Communists !!!

 

[percysunshine]

Okay, all you Trump supporters, please sit this one out. You have 500 other threads where you can scream "They are all communists!!!"

In no particular order.

Bernie Sanders - Sanders is in a strong position because he has dedicated followers. This helps a lot in a primary battle. He's leading a movement, everyone else is just running a campaign.

His weakness- he's a lot further to the left than any Democrat since McGovern. If Trump weren't the alternative, even I'd consider voting Republican. Also, his age, he's pushing 80!

Peter Buttigeig - He's young, he's dynamic. He's the only veteran in the group. (Seriously, both parties, we've just been through a 19 year war and you can't find any vets to run?) The downside. He's gay, and I'm not sure the country is ready for a gay president yet. Right now, he's benefiting from being an alternative to Bernie and Biden. But he's running fifth nationally, and you have to wonder if this is just another case of placing too much emphasis on NH and IA.

Joe Biden - He's pretty much in freefall right now. He could still pull a rally at South Carolina. Let's not forget, Bill Clinton lost both IA and NH, and still turned it around. His big strength remains that there's still a lot of good will for him in the African American community for being Obama's wingman for 8 years.

Liz Warren - Probably turned out to be too smart for the room. She had lots of good ideas, and got bogged down into arguments about her Native American heritage and whether or not Bernie said a woman couldn't
run. (Ignoring Bernie's decades of support for female candidates.)

Amy Klochabar - this is a case of someone running for Vice President. She knows she's not going to be the nominee, we know it.. She's trying to place strong enough where someone will pick her up because she's a woman from the midwest.

Mike Bloomberg - Bloomberg's big strength is that he has nearly an infinite amount of money to run. He has strong progressive creds, but also strong cred as someone who can work in a bi-partisan manner. If it comes down to him and Bernie, it would be ironic if the the top two contenders for the Democratic Nomination aren't actually Democrats.

His weaknesses - the current mood in the Democratic party is anti-plutocratic, and his stances on gun control wouldn't play well in the red states.

Tom Steyer - Um, yeah, I guess he's still in this.


Tulsi Gabbard - The Kremlin needs to ask for it's money back.

Where is Walter Mondale?

 

[gipper]

There is a problem here that you and other fanatical trump haters have. In your desperation to beat Donnie, you guys will gladly sell your souls to another corporatist warmonger. You do this under the delusional ignorant belief that this is the only way to beat Donnie. Not realizing the establishment is duping you once again.

Again, you are worried about the Establishment. I'm not. I want the grownups in charge.

I'm actually more worried about Bernie beating Trump, because I don't think he can get all that much done.

Putting your faith in the establishment is akin to a sheep to the slaughter. I’m really disappointed in you Joe.

 

[P F Tinmore]

And there are plenty of people here mobilized against trump. Once trumps lies are shredded by the democratic candidate, the sane independents and many of the anti trump republicans will break off from trump. He will have his 30 percent come hell or high water, but that last 21 percent is going to be a problem for him.

ROFL! Precisely the opposite of what you predict is what will happen. That's been the case ever since Trump became a candidate.

Actually it has not. Trump was impeached. And in the election he can't get the senate to help him by refusing to hold a trial. So just watch as trump gets dismantled this fall.

WFC’s. He was impeached by a group of desperate losers, who wanted to circumvent the 16 election. They all lost again. He was acquitted. Insufficient or nonexistent evidence in this case. Drunky Nancy, just made an ass of herself once again on national television. She just got him more votes, than he could hope for, by doing nothing. This obviously won’t leave your mind, because you keep posting all day every day. I’m going to take my one vote, and get him re-elected. What are you gonna do?


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Wrong. They had sufficient evidence and would have had more if trump had not blocked witnesses and documents. This fact seems to escape you trump cum lappers, but the majority of Americans at 70 percent wanted a trial with witnesses. trumps behavior at this moment is costing him votes. You will learn that the hard way in about 9 months.

So what you are saying, is that impeachment means nothing, because dims failed to present a case and he was acquitted? So he utilized legal representation, to defend against miscreants and came out victorious? And he remains in the White House, mocking his accusers? I don’t know anyone who voted for him before, that isn’t laughing at the socialist party and not going to vote for him again. “Would have “, is a frustrating losing battle cry [emoji22].



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Priceless!!!

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Okay, all you Trump supporters, please sit this one out. You have 500 other threads where you can scream "They are all communists!!!"

In no particular order.

Bernie Sanders - Sanders is in a strong position because he has dedicated followers. This helps a lot in a primary battle. He's leading a movement, everyone else is just running a campaign.

His weakness- he's a lot further to the left than any Democrat since McGovern. If Trump weren't the alternative, even I'd consider voting Republican. Also, his age, he's pushing 80!

Peter Buttigeig - He's young, he's dynamic. He's the only veteran in the group. (Seriously, both parties, we've just been through a 19 year war and you can't find any vets to run?) The downside. He's gay, and I'm not sure the country is ready for a gay president yet. Right now, he's benefiting from being an alternative to Bernie and Biden. But he's running fifth nationally, and you have to wonder if this is just another case of placing too much emphasis on NH and IA.

Joe Biden - He's pretty much in freefall right now. He could still pull a rally at South Carolina. Let's not forget, Bill Clinton lost both IA and NH, and still turned it around. His big strength remains that there's still a lot of good will for him in the African American community for being Obama's wingman for 8 years.

Liz Warren - Probably turned out to be too smart for the room. She had lots of good ideas, and got bogged down into arguments about her Native American heritage and whether or not Bernie said a woman couldn't
run. (Ignoring Bernie's decades of support for female candidates.)

Amy Klochabar - this is a case of someone running for Vice President. She knows she's not going to be the nominee, we know it.. She's trying to place strong enough where someone will pick her up because she's a woman from the midwest.

Mike Bloomberg - Bloomberg's big strength is that he has nearly an infinite amount of money to run. He has strong progressive creds, but also strong cred as someone who can work in a bi-partisan manner. If it comes down to him and Bernie, it would be ironic if the the top two contenders for the Democratic Nomination aren't actually Democrats.

His weaknesses - the current mood in the Democratic party is anti-plutocratic, and his stances on gun control wouldn't play well in the red states.

Tom Steyer - Um, yeah, I guess he's still in this.


Tulsi Gabbard - The Kremlin needs to ask for it's money back.

Prog only .....I see you were just asking for the righties to show up


Youre not the boss of us....micro managing authoritarian nazis!

Brooklyn Commie jew bag

Gay commie ...lemme tell ya about my husband ...and side step the fact I've never been through basic training privileged white boy

Wierd (wierDee not in the good way)child sniffin swamp crook who prefers sugar smaks over corn pops and is the early stages of full blown dementia .

A mentally retarded dopey Sqaw who will bury yas all with her "patriotic economic plan" horseshit

Thick Amy.....thick body and mind

Hizzonah..out of touch sheltered Bostonian with 7 private jets surrounded by yes men and prog advisors ..

Who?

Free Avenatti 2020!

 

[P F Tinmore]

LOL, Joe
I love how well USMB'ers read.
Okay, all you Trump supporters, please sit this one out. You have 500 other threads where you can scream "They are all communists!!!"

I'm scrolling past all the neenerheads who are obviously illiterate and I will say this:
I'd vote for Biden, even though he's too old and his best chance was in 2016. He would have cleared Hillary by a mile and pounded Trump into the dust where he belongs.
I agree with you about Pete B. I'm not sure the US is ready.
I have never liked Liz.
Klobuchar is reasonable, but I don't like the idea of performing CPR on ObamaCare.
Sanders is the DNC's nightmare and while his support is certainly sending a strong message, we need to figure out just what that message is. Sure, he's likable, but he's far too socialist, "Democratic" or not. He is heavily supported by young people 18-29, who maybe don't know (or don't care) what his underlying message is. He is obsessed about rich people and redistributing wealth and taking half our paychecks to pay for stuff that maybe we don't need or want. He is extremely weak on anything but running the economy.
I'm a firm believer in safety net programs and universal healthcare, and I would accept more coming out of my paycheck to get that, but really, Sanders is way beyond that. That's just my opinion and I may be wrong. Correct me if so.

So you have no one to vote for?


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My choices:
Tulsi Gabard
Bernie Sanders
Any third Party.

In 2016 the Dems would rather lose with Hillary than to win with Bernie.

The Dems are setting themselves up to lose again. So be it.