John Kerry: We could have shot the jet down.

[Borillar]

Stop your hysterics people

Here's why the Navy didn't shoot down the Russian fighter jets that buzzed by a US destroyer

"You don’t get to kill people just because they’re being annoying," retired frigate and cruiser commanding officer Capt. Rick Hoffman told the Navy Timesabout the incident.

"We’re not at war with Russia," Capt. Rick Hoffman said.

"It would be one thing to be operating and have a threatening attack profile from someone who might not recognize me — that’s not the case here."

As a former commander of a cruiser that protected aircraft carriers and amphibious-assault vehicles from airborne attacks, Hoffman knows how to deal with threatening aircraft.

The Russian planes, Su-24s, had no visible weapons during the passes, and at no point did the USS Cook detect that the Russians were trying to lock onto them with a missile.

Plus, even when you kill people because they are killing or harming your people, you liberals still blame America first.

Oh good grief go kill yourself

You Liberals lose your shit and turn to violence when you can't refute.

You're the ones wanting to shoot down unarmed planes and nuking uninhabited areas in Russia for a fly by, and you have the gall to call out liberals for violence?

 

[SmokeALib]

Just games people. Back in the early eighties, we flew RC135's (recon) over the Baltic and watched MIG 23's fly up next to us and tip their wings to show us their missles. Just their way of telling us that they were watching us watch them. Wasn't unusual to happen every mission.

 

[RandallFlagg]

I say hell yeah, this was pure Russian aggression. Putin is just laughing at us and our spineless wuss of a President. This isn't the endless games our militaries play, he crossed the line. And he did it on purpose to embarrass us. And it worked, our spineless President again showed what he is. No wonder the world doesn't take us seriously

Unfortunately, during the Cold War we dealt with shit like this on a daily basis. It's not really that much of a provocation. These planes were probably not even armed. It's nothing more than a cat and mouse game that has been going on since the end of WWII.

Just games people. Back in the early eighties, we flew RC135's (recon) over the Baltic and watched MIG 23's fly up next to us and tip their wings to show us their missles. Just their way of telling us that they were watching us watch them. Wasn't unusual to happen every mission.

Indeed. This sort of thing happened nearly daily during the Cold War. The Soviets went to the field in Germany with the Armor units to keep an eye on them. We went to the field with the Armor units to keep an eye on the Soviets. Daily thing. We counted their tanks, planes, and infantry units - they counted ours. The life of a 97B.

 

[Vigilante]

When you let people SHIT all over you, you have to expect they will continue to UNTIL you do something about it!

 

[westwall]

The Captain of this ship should be arrested immediately.

So we should start a war with Russia over a jet flying by?

That was not "a jet" it was Russians foremost weapon of war a mig fighter. And if a war is started, which it would not be, we did not start it, the Russians did. Would you not have blockaded Cuba because it would start a war. Go smoke your doobie kid.

They were SU 24 Fencers, and they date back to the 1970's. They are expendable, far far from Russia's "foremost weapon of war". It is ancient and obsolete.

 

[Vigilante]

The world laughs at The Obomanation....and the United States for LEADING FROM BEHIND!

 

[TeaBagger]

Isn't it odd that a BULLSHIT country like Turkey can shoot down a Russian Jet that they say was threatening their airspace, and NOTHING HAPPENED from the great Putin, but he can sure SCARE THE SHIT out of the Obomanation! Shoot the Russian out of the sky for THREATENING us, and see what Putin will do.... If he backed off from a 2 bit dictator from Turkey, would he be afraid of the President of the only SuperPower?????......Excuse me while I

Unlike you Obama is too smart to be trolled by a loser like Putin.

You see faggot, you have never actually been in a fight so it's clear that your parakeet ass can't back your gorilla mouth. I've seen your type all the time. Not only have you always been too fat to wear the uniform you lack guts.

It's easy for you chicken hawks to run your chicken shit spouting pie holes and if you were in command you would have started world war 3 you asshole.

Go back to the all you can eat buffet loser.

Now to your faggot coward chicken shit criticism of Obama:

First off you small dicked fat boy, Obama was not on the ship and the captain of that ship who is clearly more man than you are did the right thing.

Do you know how fast a fighter plane can fly? You are probably too fucking stupid to even comprehend 500 mph let alone Mach 1.5 you idiot. Accord to your Republican retardation the the ships captain was supposed to call Obama and ask him what to do and the reason that ship didn't shoot down the Russian fighters was because Obama told him not to do so? What a pathetic loser chicken hawk asshole dumb fuck you are.

I'll tell you what fat ass, get in your fat boy power chair, get all hopped up on insulin and put on your fat boy oxygen mask and pretend you are flying an F-16 and fly it off a cliff as you shoot down imaginary Russian MIGs. LOSER!

 

[Vigilante]

Isn't it odd that a BULLSHIT country like Turkey can shoot down a Russian Jet that they say was threatening their airspace, and NOTHING HAPPENED from the great Putin, but he can sure SCARE THE SHIT out of the Obomanation! Shoot the Russian out of the sky for THREATENING us, and see what Putin will do.... If he backed off from a 2 bit dictator from Turkey, would he be afraid of the President of the only SuperPower?????......Excuse me while I

Unlike you Obama is to smart to be trolled by a loser like Putin.

You see faggot, you have never actually been in a fight so it's clear that your parakeet ass can't back your gorilla mouth. I've seen your type all the time. Not only have you always been to fat to wear the uniform you lack guts.

It's easy for you chicken hawks to run your chicken shit spouting pie holes and if you were in command your would have started world war 3 you asshole.

Now to your faggot coward chicken shit criticism of Obama:

First off you small dicked fat boy, Obama was not on the ship and the captain of that ship who is clearly more man than you are did the right thing.

Do you know how fast a fighter plane can fly? You are probably too fucking stupid to even comprehend 500 mph let alone Mach 1.5 you idiot. Accord to your Republican retardation the the ships captain was supposed to call Obama and ask him what to do and the reason that ship didn't shoot down the Russian fighters was because Obama told him not to do so? What a pathetic loser chicken hawk asshole dumb fuck you are.

I'll tell you what fat ass, get in your fat boy power chair, get all hopped up on insulin and put on your fat boy oxygen mask and pretend you are flying an F-16 and fly it off a cliff as you shoot down imaginary Russian MIGs. LOSER!

Yes, I'd piss in your mouth little ass fucker in a rice paddy in Vietnam, while I was trying to stay alive. You child, are what's wrong with this country, you're a COWARD, following a COWARDS party line, and still don't recognize that your slowly being eaten up with Socialism...but your IQ is so low, and your desire to be a free loader the rest of your life makes you ADORE the fiends that have killed millions!... Your so fucked up, you need a Cuban vacation!

1. Socialism Kills - Conservative Review
   www.conservativereview.com/en/commentary/2016/02...
   The Socialist Republic of Vietnam killed 1.7 million, ... murdered another 1.7 million. The Socialist Federal Republic of ... History teaches us that socialism kills.
   

 

[Wry Catcher]

I say hell yeah, this was pure Russian aggression. Putin is just laughing at us and our spineless wuss of a President. This isn't the endless games our militaries play, he crossed the line. And he did it on purpose to embarrass us. And it worked, our spineless President again showed what he is. No wonder the world doesn't take us seriously

Foolish ^^^

 

[Wry Catcher]

I say hell yeah, this was pure Russian aggression. Putin is just laughing at us and our spineless wuss of a President. This isn't the endless games our militaries play, he crossed the line. And he did it on purpose to embarrass us. And it worked, our spineless President again showed what he is. No wonder the world doesn't take us seriously

In 1967 I was standing watch on the fantail of a destroyer when we went to GQ based on an unidentified sonar contact with a sub. We played tag for a while but eventually lost contact and stood down. But for the several hours I stood by in the aft gun mount, the movie The Bedford Incident was much on my mind.

Fools like you make me sick.

 

[candycorn]

I say hell yeah, this was pure Russian aggression. Putin is just laughing at us and our spineless wuss of a President. This isn't the endless games our militaries play, he crossed the line. And he did it on purpose to embarrass us. And it worked, our spineless President again showed what he is. No wonder the world doesn't take us seriously

A few days ago, the President didn’t get blame/credit for the military actions. You should pick a position and stick with it little boy.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Isn't it odd that a BULLSHIT country like Turkey can shoot down a Russian Jet that they say was threatening their airspace, and NOTHING HAPPENED from the great Putin, but he can sure SCARE THE SHIT out of the Obomanation! Shoot the Russian out of the sky for THREATENING us, and see what Putin will do.... If he backed off from a 2 bit dictator from Turkey, would he be afraid of the President of the only SuperPower?????......Excuse me while I

There's a recruiting station near you

 

[Jantje_Smit]

I say hell yeah, this was pure Russian aggression. Putin is just laughing at us and our spineless wuss of a President. This isn't the endless games our militaries play, he crossed the line. And he did it on purpose to embarrass us. And it worked, our spineless President again showed what he is. No wonder the world doesn't take us seriously

Just wondering, do you also think the Chinese should shoot your planes down when you pi$$ them off again?

 

[kaz]

I say hell yeah, this was pure Russian aggression. Putin is just laughing at us and our spineless wuss of a President. This isn't the endless games our militaries play, he crossed the line. And he did it on purpose to embarrass us. And it worked, our spineless President again showed what he is. No wonder the world doesn't take us seriously

I believe from what I read the U.S. knew this jet was unarmed, so, I'd have to vote no.

Even the second flight? Flying in the vicinity of our ships is one thing, but flying that aggressively isn't games. Why do you think they are doing that? And again, why don't we do it back? I think we think they would shoot us down.

Also, I keep saying the statement it was "unarmed," but how did we know that? This isn't games, this is crossing the line

 

[jon_berzerk]

no our military has been too weakened the past few years

 

[kaz]

I say hell yeah, this was pure Russian aggression. Putin is just laughing at us and our spineless wuss of a President. This isn't the endless games our militaries play, he crossed the line. And he did it on purpose to embarrass us. And it worked, our spineless President again showed what he is. No wonder the world doesn't take us seriously

from the mouth of an old bloated lunatic Rambo wannabe

From the mouth of a blue city socialist white whine metrosexual. I heard you hung a new tapestry this weekend, does your boyfriend like it?

 

[jon_berzerk]

Jesus fucking Christ you people are ridiculous.

Shooting down some Russian planes or dropping a low yield nuke in an uninhabited area in Russia is one way to avoid an all out war. Don't think the Pentagon doesn't have a contingency plan for such an action.

Don't think the Pentagon doesn't have a contingency plan for such an action.

it used to be like that

as of late word has it

is call our enemies small and other assorted names

 

[kaz]

What is it you think I said that you're arguing against? You don't even know, do you?

Your post #32 here;

The rules of engagement are set by the military, he can't ignore them.

Your criticism should be of the White House. In the past, a huge advantage of the Military is that we set rules and allow our commanders to act in the field. This white house as all authoritarian leftists through history are control freaks.

You're the one with the issues. You were Army or Air Force or none of the above?

So you think the because I think the rules of engagement in a contentious area with the Russians came from the top? That means I'm clueless? Wow, you just proved how clueless you are

Now you're making shit up. Come here straw man...I got a match!

So you were never in any branch of the military, eh? Why am I not surprised!

So just to be clear, you are saying that the ROEs for a ship off the Russian coast would not have gone to Obama and Kerry for signoff. You seriously believe that? Feel behind your ears, it is actually wet, isn't it?

Don't be fucking absurd! Get out of that armchair Admiral/General! Even LBJ and Robert McNamara didn't get that far into the weeds during the Vietnam War to get right down to individual units and destroyers. Get some more of that aluminum foil for your hats! How many black helicopter have you seen today? DAMN!!!!

That's adorable, I'm glad there are still such innocent people like you in the world. A throwback to a simpler day when the world was so much more clear.

NATO war games in Eastern Europe by the Russian coast and you think it's a low level decision whether to shoot down a Russian jet or not when they've been buzzing our ships already. Oh, the pretty nurse is here to feed you, I'll catch up with you later ...

 

[kaz]

I say hell yeah, this was pure Russian aggression. Putin is just laughing at us and our spineless wuss of a President. This isn't the endless games our militaries play, he crossed the line. And he did it on purpose to embarrass us. And it worked, our spineless President again showed what he is. No wonder the world doesn't take us seriously

Apparently, the jet did not carry out hostilities.

F'ing what? It flew within 30 feet of our ship, what would be hostile?

Turkey drew a line and backed it up. Have the Russians invaded Turkey? This is why they are doing this, they are pushing further and further to find out where the line is. You really think that with today's technology Russia couldn't say out of Turkish airspace?

There's only one way to draw a line. I'm not saying to shoot down every Russian plane that flies too close to an American ship. Not saying that at all. But there is a point where it's not feasible we let them that close to our military, that plane went well past that line

 

[mudwhistle]

I say hell yeah, this was pure Russian aggression. Putin is just laughing at us and our spineless wuss of a President. This isn't the endless games our militaries play, he crossed the line. And he did it on purpose to embarrass us. And it worked, our spineless President again showed what he is. No wonder the world doesn't take us seriously

Shoot it down. The only reason the Iron Curtain went up is because we didn't want to piss off the Russians. The Russians admitted that they put a barbed wire fence up to see what we would do about it......and we did nothing.....so it became permanent.