John Kerry: We could have shot the jet down.

[LeftofLeft]

Stop your hysterics people

Here's why the Navy didn't shoot down the Russian fighter jets that buzzed by a US destroyer

"You don’t get to kill people just because they’re being annoying," retired frigate and cruiser commanding officer Capt. Rick Hoffman told the Navy Timesabout the incident.

"We’re not at war with Russia," Capt. Rick Hoffman said.

"It would be one thing to be operating and have a threatening attack profile from someone who might not recognize me — that’s not the case here."

As a former commander of a cruiser that protected aircraft carriers and amphibious-assault vehicles from airborne attacks, Hoffman knows how to deal with threatening aircraft.

The Russian planes, Su-24s, had no visible weapons during the passes, and at no point did the USS Cook detect that the Russians were trying to lock onto them with a missile.

Plus, even when you kill people because they are killing or harming your people, you liberals still blame America first.

Oh good grief go kill yourself

You Liberals lose your shit and turn to violence when you can't refute.

 

[FA_Q2]

First, the idea that shooting these jets down would have somehow lead to WWIII is nothing more than bloviating. That is blatantly false.

There is the question of what anyone wanting that particular outcome thinks that we would gain over such an act though? It is rather pointless to be openly and needlessly aggressive to other world powers. This idea that we need to be seen as 'strong' is asinine - we ARE seen as strong because we have the worlds most powerful military without question. Shooting down a few jets that are posturing does not change or enhance that reality. It only gives Russia a chance to bitch and moan about us being aggressive. They wanted to chest beat - something that Russia does all the time - and us beating our chests with them does not accomplish anything remotely constructive.

Finally, how this is attached to Obama is rather inane as well. This has nothing to do with Obama as far as I can tell.

 

[Avatar4321]

I say no. Flying by is not attacking

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Fired on it as a warning, yes. Shot it down? Christ no. WW3 is not on my to do list

 

[EriktheRed]

First, the idea that shooting these jets down would have somehow lead to WWIII is nothing more than bloviating. That is blatantly false.

There is the question of what anyone wanting that particular outcome thinks that we would gain over such an act though? It is rather pointless to be openly and needlessly aggressive to other world powers. This idea that we need to be seen as 'strong' is asinine - we ARE seen as strong because we have the worlds most powerful military without question. Shooting down a few jets that are posturing does not change or enhance that reality. It only gives Russia a chance to bitch and moan about us being aggressive. They wanted to chest beat - something that Russia does all the time - and us beating our chests with them does not accomplish anything remotely constructive.

Finally, how this is attached to Obama is rather inane as well. This has nothing to do with Obama as far as I can tell.

Where have you been the last 6+ years?? Everything bad is about Obama.

 

[Avatar4321]

Jesus fucking Christ you people are ridiculous.

Shooting down some Russian planes or dropping a low yield nuke in an uninhabited area in Russia is one way to avoid an all out war. Don't think the Pentagon doesn't have a contingency plan for such an action.

Wow

War is not the same animal as it was even 50 years ago. A preemptive strike is a prudent thing to do in this age.

There is nothing prudent about a pre emotive nucleasr strike.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I say hell yeah, this was pure Russian aggression. Putin is just laughing at us and our spineless wuss of a President. This isn't the endless games our militaries play, he crossed the line. And he did it on purpose to embarrass us. And it worked, our spineless President again showed what he is. No wonder the world doesn't take us seriously

No...But we should have found a naval vessel of their and buzzed it.
Obama should have been on the phone with Putin within minutes and said "Mr Premier, what are you doing? Trying to start a confrontation we both know we do not want?
Then Obama should have told Putin he was willing to consider the event an "error".
Then told him, "look, bad things happen all the time. The world is an imperfect place." and hung up the phone.
of course Putin did this purposely. he knows Obama isn't going to do anything. Putin knows all about Obama's Neville Chamberlain tea and cookies diplomacy.
Putin is ex KGB....The only thing guys like Putin recognize is force met with force.

 

[Avatar4321]

Damn right. Zero-Bama should have flown in on airforce 1, parachuted down to the ship, and personally shot down that Commie. Why didn't he? BECAUSE HE'S A FUCKING COMMIE

And miss his tee time? Nah

 

[thereisnospoon]

Stop your hysterics people

Here's why the Navy didn't shoot down the Russian fighter jets that buzzed by a US destroyer

"You don’t get to kill people just because they’re being annoying," retired frigate and cruiser commanding officer Capt. Rick Hoffman told the Navy Timesabout the incident.

"We’re not at war with Russia," Capt. Rick Hoffman said.

"It would be one thing to be operating and have a threatening attack profile from someone who might not recognize me — that’s not the case here."

As a former commander of a cruiser that protected aircraft carriers and amphibious-assault vehicles from airborne attacks, Hoffman knows how to deal with threatening aircraft.

The Russian planes, Su-24s, had no visible weapons during the passes, and at no point did the USS Cook detect that the Russians were trying to lock onto them with a missile.

Well. that is just one guy's opinion.
Should the US forces "painted" the inbound traffic? Probably not. But the incident has the intent of making us and Obama look bad.
In an earlier post, I suggested Obama's best reaction should have been a phone call to Putin to first ask him what the hell is trying to accomplish. Then reminded Putin this kind of thing is one that starts wars.
Lets just say for a moment one of the pilots thought he heard an order to engage?....The pilot fires upon the US vessels. They would of course be obligated to respond by shooting down the aircraft. .....This is why our forces should never operate in such close proximity.
I also think this is a reaction to the Turkish govt shooting down a Russian fighter jet that the Turks claim violated its airspace after repeated warnings to stay clear.
Remember, Turkey is a part of NATO.....

 

[Geaux4it]

Obama is a POS and every two bit dictator he dropped in to see on his apology tour, is going to exploit him which means us.

Obama sux

-Geaux

 

[Avatar4321]

Obama is a POS and every two bit dictator he dropped in to see on his apology tour, is going to exploit him which means us.

Obama sux

-Geaux

While true, that doesn't mean we should shoot down every plane that flies near us

 

[thereisnospoon]

Stop your hysterics people

Here's why the Navy didn't shoot down the Russian fighter jets that buzzed by a US destroyer

"You don’t get to kill people just because they’re being annoying," retired frigate and cruiser commanding officer Capt. Rick Hoffman told the Navy Timesabout the incident.

"We’re not at war with Russia," Capt. Rick Hoffman said.

"It would be one thing to be operating and have a threatening attack profile from someone who might not recognize me — that’s not the case here."

As a former commander of a cruiser that protected aircraft carriers and amphibious-assault vehicles from airborne attacks, Hoffman knows how to deal with threatening aircraft.

The Russian planes, Su-24s, had no visible weapons during the passes, and at no point did the USS Cook detect that the Russians were trying to lock onto them with a missile.

They weren't being "annoying," they were threatening. Riddle me this, Batman. Why didn't we just turn around and do the same thing to a Russian ship?

Because .. Putin would have shot it down ...

That ship spends all of its time just off the coast of Russia in the black sea. It's basically constantly buzzing Russia. And all Putin does is send an unarmed jet flying by every once in a while.

Genius....The incident took place in the Baltic Sea.....The Black Sea is somewhere very far south and east. And here's another issue. Russia has a relatively limited coastline on the Baltic....Most of the shoreline is against the coasts of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. There is a small part of Russian territory which has a coast line on the Baltic...
Ship do not have the capability of "buzzing" anything....
Are you that anti-American that you excuse the Russian government of this deliberate act of aggression?

 

[idb]

Stop your hysterics people

Here's why the Navy didn't shoot down the Russian fighter jets that buzzed by a US destroyer

"You don’t get to kill people just because they’re being annoying," retired frigate and cruiser commanding officer Capt. Rick Hoffman told the Navy Timesabout the incident.

"We’re not at war with Russia," Capt. Rick Hoffman said.

"It would be one thing to be operating and have a threatening attack profile from someone who might not recognize me — that’s not the case here."

As a former commander of a cruiser that protected aircraft carriers and amphibious-assault vehicles from airborne attacks, Hoffman knows how to deal with threatening aircraft.

The Russian planes, Su-24s, had no visible weapons during the passes, and at no point did the USS Cook detect that the Russians were trying to lock onto them with a missile.

They weren't being "annoying," they were threatening. Riddle me this, Batman. Why didn't we just turn around and do the same thing to a Russian ship?

Because .. Putin would have shot it down ...

That ship spends all of its time just off the coast of Russia in the black sea. It's basically constantly buzzing Russia. And all Putin does is send an unarmed jet flying by every once in a while.

Genius....The incident took place in the Baltic Sea.....The Black Sea is somewhere very far south and east. And here's another issue. Russia has a relatively limited coastline on the Baltic....Most of the shoreline is against the coasts of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. There is a small part of Russian territory which has a coast line on the Baltic...
Ship do not have the capability of "buzzing" anything....
Are you that anti-American that you excuse the Russian government of this deliberate act of aggression?

Just carry on stamping your feet and pouting...and don't forget to blame Obama.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Stop your hysterics people

Here's why the Navy didn't shoot down the Russian fighter jets that buzzed by a US destroyer

"You don’t get to kill people just because they’re being annoying," retired frigate and cruiser commanding officer Capt. Rick Hoffman told the Navy Timesabout the incident.

"We’re not at war with Russia," Capt. Rick Hoffman said.

"It would be one thing to be operating and have a threatening attack profile from someone who might not recognize me — that’s not the case here."

As a former commander of a cruiser that protected aircraft carriers and amphibious-assault vehicles from airborne attacks, Hoffman knows how to deal with threatening aircraft.

The Russian planes, Su-24s, had no visible weapons during the passes, and at no point did the USS Cook detect that the Russians were trying to lock onto them with a missile.

They weren't being "annoying," they were threatening. Riddle me this, Batman. Why didn't we just turn around and do the same thing to a Russian ship?

Because .. Putin would have shot it down ...

That ship spends all of its time just off the coast of Russia in the black sea. It's basically constantly buzzing Russia. And all Putin does is send an unarmed jet flying by every once in a while.

Genius....The incident took place in the Baltic Sea.....The Black Sea is somewhere very far south and east. And here's another issue. Russia has a relatively limited coastline on the Baltic....Most of the shoreline is against the coasts of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. There is a small part of Russian territory which has a coast line on the Baltic...
Ship do not have the capability of "buzzing" anything....
Are you that anti-American that you excuse the Russian government of this deliberate act of aggression?

Just carry on stamping your feet and pouting...and don't forget to blame Obama.

Just carry on not contributing to the thread.
BTW, the guy in the White House is...?

 

[TheOldSchool]

Stop your hysterics people

Here's why the Navy didn't shoot down the Russian fighter jets that buzzed by a US destroyer

"You don’t get to kill people just because they’re being annoying," retired frigate and cruiser commanding officer Capt. Rick Hoffman told the Navy Timesabout the incident.

"We’re not at war with Russia," Capt. Rick Hoffman said.

"It would be one thing to be operating and have a threatening attack profile from someone who might not recognize me — that’s not the case here."

As a former commander of a cruiser that protected aircraft carriers and amphibious-assault vehicles from airborne attacks, Hoffman knows how to deal with threatening aircraft.

The Russian planes, Su-24s, had no visible weapons during the passes, and at no point did the USS Cook detect that the Russians were trying to lock onto them with a missile.

They weren't being "annoying," they were threatening. Riddle me this, Batman. Why didn't we just turn around and do the same thing to a Russian ship?

Because .. Putin would have shot it down ...

That ship spends all of its time just off the coast of Russia in the black sea. It's basically constantly buzzing Russia. And all Putin does is send an unarmed jet flying by every once in a while.

Genius....The incident took place in the Baltic Sea.....The Black Sea is somewhere very far south and east. And here's another issue. Russia has a relatively limited coastline on the Baltic....Most of the shoreline is against the coasts of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. There is a small part of Russian territory which has a coast line on the Baltic...
Ship do not have the capability of "buzzing" anything....
Are you that anti-American that you excuse the Russian government of this deliberate act of aggression?

Oh sorry asshole. It was 2 years ago that Russia fucked with that ship in the Black Sea. This time they were at the OTHER of just 2 access points Russia has to the Atlantic. Does your bitchass think they don't care about that access point?

And here your retarded conservative ass supports starting up WW3. Unbelievable.

 

[idb]

Stop your hysterics people

Here's why the Navy didn't shoot down the Russian fighter jets that buzzed by a US destroyer

"You don’t get to kill people just because they’re being annoying," retired frigate and cruiser commanding officer Capt. Rick Hoffman told the Navy Timesabout the incident.

"We’re not at war with Russia," Capt. Rick Hoffman said.

"It would be one thing to be operating and have a threatening attack profile from someone who might not recognize me — that’s not the case here."

As a former commander of a cruiser that protected aircraft carriers and amphibious-assault vehicles from airborne attacks, Hoffman knows how to deal with threatening aircraft.

The Russian planes, Su-24s, had no visible weapons during the passes, and at no point did the USS Cook detect that the Russians were trying to lock onto them with a missile.

They weren't being "annoying," they were threatening. Riddle me this, Batman. Why didn't we just turn around and do the same thing to a Russian ship?

Because .. Putin would have shot it down ...

That ship spends all of its time just off the coast of Russia in the black sea. It's basically constantly buzzing Russia. And all Putin does is send an unarmed jet flying by every once in a while.

Genius....The incident took place in the Baltic Sea.....The Black Sea is somewhere very far south and east. And here's another issue. Russia has a relatively limited coastline on the Baltic....Most of the shoreline is against the coasts of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. There is a small part of Russian territory which has a coast line on the Baltic...
Ship do not have the capability of "buzzing" anything....
Are you that anti-American that you excuse the Russian government of this deliberate act of aggression?

Just carry on stamping your feet and pouting...and don't forget to blame Obama.

Just carry on not contributing to the thread.
BTW, the guy in the White House is...?

Your ridiculous hissy-fits are called 'contributing'?

 

[Wildman]

I say hell yeah,

who else said "hell yaa" ?

 

[Kosh]

Of course they should have been shot down or least targeted..

Putin is showing the rest of the world that America is weak in it's resolve because of Obama..

Following the far left religion ha made America very weak.

Voting far left is never the answer!

 

[Wildman]

Jesus fucking Christ you people are ridiculous.

and you are a commie lover!!

 

[HappyJoy]

I say hell yeah, this was pure Russian aggression. Putin is just laughing at us and our spineless wuss of a President. This isn't the endless games our militaries play, he crossed the line. And he did it on purpose to embarrass us. And it worked, our spineless President again showed what he is. No wonder the world doesn't take us seriously

No...But we should have found a naval vessel of their and buzzed it.
Obama should have been on the phone with Putin within minutes and said "Mr Premier, what are you doing? Trying to start a confrontation we both know we do not want?
Then Obama should have told Putin he was willing to consider the event an "error".
Then told him, "look, bad things happen all the time. The world is an imperfect place." and hung up the phone.
of course Putin did this purposely. he knows Obama isn't going to do anything. Putin knows all about Obama's Neville Chamberlain tea and cookies diplomacy.
Putin is ex KGB....The only thing guys like Putin recognize is force met with force.

What? You want to teach Putin that the best way to get the President on the phone is to buzz our military?

Man, that is just one of many dumb things you guys have said in this thread.