Just a gentle reminder... federal election law violations can't be the basis for basis for prosecution in state courts.

[iku]

Certainly an inconvenient fact for some. Think about it... It certainly doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out, does it?

remember prosecutors alleged that Trump disguised $130,000 in hush money as a legal expense as part of a scheme to keep information about alleged extramarital sex from voters and unlawfully influence the 2016 presidential election.

This is going to the Supreme Court, and you know what that means....

 

[iku]

just sayin....

 

[excalibur]

Certainly an inconvenient fact for some. Think about it... It certainly doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out, does it?

remember prosecutors alleged that Trump disguised $130,000 in hush money as a legal expense as part of a scheme to keep information about alleged extramarital sex from voters and unlawfully influence the 2016 presidential election.

This is going to the Supreme Court, and you know what that means....

I would be in District Court in Manhattan seeking an Order to Show Cause why this should not be removed to Federal Court and halt any further proceedings in Merchan's house of ill repute.

 

[iku]

I would be in District Court in Manhattan seeking an Order to Show Cause why this should not be removed to Federal Court and halt any further proceedings in Merchan's house of ill repute.

you just wait till they try to put him in jail
this is gunna get UGLY real quick

 

[WorldWatcher]

Certainly an inconvenient fact for some. Think about it... It certainly doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out, does it?

remember prosecutors alleged that Trump disguised $130,000 in hush money as a legal expense as part of a scheme to keep information about alleged extramarital sex from voters and unlawfully influence the 2016 presidential election.

This is going to the Supreme Court, and you know what that means....

Federal election law violations can't be charged in state court. This is true.

But Federal campaign fraud where there is a conviction, can be introduced as prima facia evidence that a crime did occur.

CF34FPOTUS45 was charged under State law with business record falsification to aid in or conceal a crime committed by someone else. That someone else can have committed a federal crime as the predicate crime providing the enhancement of the state charge.

Just a gentle reminder.

WW

 

[iku]

Federal election law violations can't be charged in state court. This is true.

But Federal campaign fraud where there is a conviction, can be introduced as prima facia evidence that a crime did occur.

CF34FPOTUS45 was charged under State law with business record falsification to aid in or conceal a crime committed by someone else. That someone else can have committed a federal crime as the predicate crime providing the enhancement of the state charge.

Just a gentle reminder.

WW

you big dummy!

New York election law that he was prosecuted under to turn the false business records misdemeanors into felonies improperly relied upon alleged federal election law violations

that ain't allowed

 

[WorldWatcher]

you big dummy!

New York election law that he was prosecuted under to turn the false business records misdemeanors into felonies improperly relied upon alleged federal election law violations

that ain't allowed

Childish emoji's and name calling aside...

Why do you think they introduced Cohen's conviction under in federal court. It was to establish Cohen's crime as the predicate crime. Then they spent weeks and multiple witnesses establishing the connection between CF34FPOTUS45 to that crime.

Deny it till the cows come home, that's how the elements of the crime (Intent to aid/conceal) were shown which raised the business record violation to a felony.

The crime that CF34FPOTUS45 was charged under did not require that the other crime be a state crime.

WW

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Federal election law violations can't be charged in state court. This is true.

But Federal campaign fraud where there is a conviction, can be introduced as prima facia evidence that a crime did occur.

CF34FPOTUS45 was charged under State law with business record falsification to aid in or conceal a crime committed by someone else. That someone else can have committed a federal crime as the predicate crime providing the enhancement of the state charge.

Just a gentle reminder.

WW

And now George Bush, Bill Clinton, and Barry Sorento can all be brought up on a charge for doing something to someone. This is now your Banana Republic.

 

[iku]

Childish emoji's and name calling aside...

Why do you think they introduced Cohen's conviction under in federal court. It was to establish Cohen's crime as the predicate crime. Then they spent weeks and multiple witnesses establishing the connection between CF34FPOTUS45 to that crime.

Deny it till the cows come home, that's how the elements of the crime (Intent to aid/conceal) were shown which raised the business record violation to a felony.

The crime that CF34FPOTUS45 was charged under did not require that the other crime be a state crime.

WW

The New York election law that he was prosecuted under to turn the false business records misdemeanors into felonies improperly relied upon alleged federal election law violations.

See you at the Supreme Court and I already know the decision.

END OF STORY

 

[excalibur]

Federal election law violations can't be charged in state court. This is true.

But Federal campaign fraud where there is a conviction, can be introduced as prima facia evidence that a crime did occur.

...

Uh, Cohens' crime isn't Trump's.

Trump wasn't convicted by the Feds of a FECA violation.

And need I remind you that this wasn't actually mentioned until the Manhattan DA did do in closing arguments, with no possibility of a rebuttal by the defense.

Also, that Merchan would NOT allow an expert on Federal campaign finance law to testify about the law itself, because he [Merchan] said it would confuse the jury.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Even this SCOTUS will not overturn this case. It gets Trump out of their hair forever.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The New York election law that he was prosecuted under to turn the false business records misdemeanors into felonies improperly relied upon alleged federal election law violations.

https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-Indictment.pdf

Link to the indictment.

First of 34 counts, notice that the charge is § 175.10 of the Penal Code for Falsifying business records in the first degree. Not election law as you state.

And this is the law he was charged under. Notice it pertains to business records.

The enhancement is based on attempting to aid in or conceal another crime. In this case Cohen's fits the bill.

See you at the Supreme Court

See you there.

and I already know the decision.

Glad you think the SCOTUS corruptly has already decided the case without even getting the appeal material.

END OF STORY

"End of Story" is that currently CF34FPOTUS45 is a convicted felon.

Maybe he should petition the New York Governor for a pardon.

WW

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-Indictment.pdf

Link to the indictment.

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First of 34 counts, notice that the charge is § 175.10 of the Penal Code for Falsifying business records in the first degree. Not election law as you state.





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And this is the law he was charged under. Notice it pertains to business records.

The enhancement is based on attempting to aid in or conceal another crime. In this case Cohen's fits the bill.




See you there.



Glad you think the SCOTUS corruptly has already decided the case without even getting the appeal material.



"End of Story" is that currently CF34FPOTUS45 is a convicted felon.

Maybe he should petition the New York Governor for a pardon.

WW

Wow, you are amazing that you can highlight and bold print on a computer(you know that the governor of New York, said black kids had no idea what they looked like). But once again, if the defendant wanted a new venue where he could of had a fair trial, with a non-conflicted judge, any where else, the verdict might be the same, or might of been a lot different. But alas, this is NYC, and this is what it is going to look like in the near future.

With only one tower now, not two. Thanks to Clinton and Bush 43, and the Muslims who were in league with him.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Uh, Cohens' crime isn't Trump's.

Never said it was. Cohen's crime is Cohen's crime. Trump's crime is Trump's crime.

Cohen committed election fraud and was convicted. Trump attempted to conceal payment for Cohen's crime by laundering the money through his business entity and falsified (or caused to be falsified) the business records. Trump was convicted for his actions.

Trump wasn't convicted by the Feds of a FECA violation.

Correct. Cohen was.

And need I remind you that this wasn't actually mentioned until the Manhattan DA did do in closing arguments, with no possibility of a rebuttal by the defense.

Complain to the New York legislature. That's been the way courts have operated July 9, 1776 when New York became a state. It is SOP in summation for the defense to go first and the the prosecution to close the case.

In other state the prosecution goes first, then the defense, then the prosecution gets to make rebutal argument and STILL has the final argument.

Don't like it? : shurg : change the laws because it been that way for centuries.

Also, that Merchan would NOT allow an expert on Federal campaign finance law to testify about the law itself, because he [Merchan] said it would confuse the jury.

Justice Merchan didn't refuse to allow the defenses witness (Bradley Smith) to testify about what the law says.

What he disallowed was for Smith to attempt to say that Cohen's actions were not a violation of federal campaign finance laws in contradiction to his federal conviction. A good call. There is one place to challenge Cohen's conviction, and that is for Cohen to appeal his guilty plea for reversal and take the charges to trial.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

Wow, you are amazing that you can highlight and bold print on a computer(you know that the governor of New York, said black kids had no idea what they looked like). But once again, if the defendant wanted a new venue where he could of had a fair trial, with a non-conflicted judge, any where else, the verdict might be the same, or might of been a lot different. But alas, this is NYC, and this is what it is going to look like in the near future.

With only one tower now, not two. Thanks to Clinton and Bush 43, and the Muslims who were in league with him.

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Unlike your meme'ish cartoon.

This is Great Meadows Correctional Facility in upstate New York. About 20 miles from where I grew up.

WW

 

[excalibur]

Never said it was. Cohen's crime is Cohen's crime. Trump's crime is Trump's crime.

Cohen committed election fraud and was convicted. Trump attempted to conceal payment for Cohen's crime by laundering the money through his business entity and falsified (or caused to be falsified) the business records. Trump was convicted for his actions.



Correct. Cohen was.



Complain to the New York legislature. That's been the way courts have operated July 9, 1776 when New York became a state. It is SOP in summation for the defense to go first and the the prosecution to close the case.

In other state the prosecution goes first, then the defense, then the prosecution gets to make rebutal argument and STILL has the final argument.

Don't like it? : shurg : change the laws because it been that way for centuries.



Justice Merchan didn't refuse to allow the defenses witness (Bradley Smith) to testify about what the law says.

What he disallowed was for Smith to attempt to say that Cohen's actions were not a violation of federal campaign finance laws in contradiction to his federal conviction. A good call. There is one place to challenge Cohen's conviction, and that is for Cohen to appeal his guilty plea for reversal and take the charges to trial.

WW

Merchan refused to permit Smith to discuss the law, of which he is an expert, because the corrupt judge said it would confuse the jury.

 

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Unlike your meme'ish cartoon.

This is Great Meadows Correctional Facility in upstate New York. About 20 miles from where I grew up.

WW

Nope: remember prosecutors alleged that Trump disguised $130,000 in hush money as a legal expense as part of a scheme to keep information about alleged extramarital sex from voters and unlawfully influence the 2016 presidential election.
See you at the Supreme Court. This one is getting overturned.