Kansas—a state that Trump won by 15 points 56-41 just 2 years ago—just voted to protect abortion access by a landslide 26 points, 63-37

Wouldn’t go that far.

Republicans will do well at the state level and likely take control of the House.
Based on what? Wishful thinking? With 1/6, Putin-love, a widening gender gap, an improving economy and being a minority party, I don’t see where all the confidence is coming from, unless they engaged in platinum-level gerrymandering this time around.
 
Based on what? Wishful thinking? With 1/6, Putin-love, a widening gender gap and being a minority party, I don’t see where all the confidence is coming from, unless they engaged in platinum-level gerrymandering this time around.

They did engage in platinum level gerrymandering.

Partially because the 2020 Census was such a clusterfuck that undercounted minorities.

Partially because the Democrats have done a shitty job reaching out to rural voters who have no real reason to vote for Republicans who want to slash their benefits.
 
I think this shows that most voters don't want the government involved in abortion, even in conservative states.

The anti-Choice crowd intentionally put this on the primary ballot, knowing Republican turnout would be higher due to robust contests on the Republican side vs. weak contests on the Democratic side, and they STILL lost by a 60-40 margin. .
It won’t matter

Kansas will still elect Republicans who will ignore the voters and pass anti-abortion legislation
 
California voted against gay marriage some years ago. A lower court overturned the referendum. Abortion is up to the states. However, when the time it can be performed definitely needs to be reduced to the earlier months. This was always a testy subject due to the length of time from the Roe/Wade decision a half century ago. Like so many other things Americans do, it has been abused.

That argument is false. The idea that Abortion should be restricted because some abuse it. It is never applied to any other freedom.

We don’t ban music because some swear during their songs. George Carlin was arrested for violating purity laws. He argued that the First Amendment protected his speech.

A Radio Station won the argument in a Supreme Court Case. Freedom of Speech applied to all speech, not just political speech, or whatever.

Someone puts Fuck Trump, or Fuck Biden on the back of their truck. Freedom of Speech, even if it is being abused, it is free speech and must be protected vigorously.

Take the Second Amendment. A madman goes in and kills a dozen kids at a school. Gun Control advocates claim that the abuse by the one must necessitate the restriction of the right for all. The same people who argue that we have to ban abortions because of the abuses argue that nothing would justify the restriction of their Second Amendment Rights.

It doesn’t matter why someone wants to utilize their freedom of speech. It doesn’t matter what reason they have to do so. They have the right.

I believe Choice is the same. I don’t care if they go an have one every couple months, or if they have one in their entire lifetime. It’s not my business. I don’t get to decide if your Speech should be protected because you had a good reason to say what you did. I believe your rights should be defended, period.

I opposed Clinton trying to get Limbaugh off the air, and I opposed Bush and his Free Speech cages.
 
I'm not even Q but I predicted this outcome. :)

I figured when folks either entered the voting booth or voted from home that they would see the utility in abortion when not pressured by the extreme nut-jobs on either side of the issue.

I don't see it as a any indication of some BS blue resurgence either, I just see it as people applying common sense to the issue. If you look at the participation rate in the senate primary there's a better than 2-1 gop advantage.

What happened yesterday is exactly how it should go, the public should have the final say.....Not a bunch of politicians beholden to the far left and right extremists.

I'll be interested to see the gender breakdown.....I bet there will be a shit-ton of males that helped it fail. Let's face it, after 50 years of dodging the child support bullet it was not going to be tossed aside so easily. ;)
 
I personally never dreamed that Roe vs. Wade would be overturned

Why?

Cuz there is no money in saving infants. Abortion is a billion dollar industry in the US. Also, the majority of women who seek an abortion are doing it for financial reasons. But abortion advocates never aknowledge this. No, instead they ALWAYS defend abortion by bringing up 10 year old girls who are raped. Why is that does everyont think? It is because they know that murdering an unborn baby cuz they want a better house and car is wrong? Hmm? If not, why not be proud of that fact and defend that position?

And being a person of faith, and just observing human behavior in general, you understand that the root of all evil is the love of money which is why we all suffer today in a myriad of ways.

But I still praise the Supreme Court decision for overturning Wade. So instead of SCOTUS taking the blame for 50 plus million babies murdered and standing before God, now the voters will have to do so and live with their decsions.

But hey, out of sight, out of mind. No worries till the infant is born because it is at that time that the Birth Fairy comes down and waves her magic wand over the unborn baby to make it human.

It is then that you have to pay for the damnable thing parents!

Also, I think back to the girl in Ohio that was impregnated by the illegal alien. The mother took her to an abortion doctor in Ohio who did not even bother to report the rape like the law demands. And when they crossed state lines to have the abortion, the rape had to be reported because the abortion doctor in Indiana made it public in order to foster activism against Roe vs. Wade. Problem was, that was also a violation of the law because that violated their HIPPA laws. Nevertheless, once the story broke then law enforcement was faced with having to bring the person to justice who raped the girl, cuz all eyes were on them now.

So the illegal alien, who was the boyfriend of the mother and who also was pregnant with his child, admitted to the police that he raped the girl. Meanwhile, the mother came out and said that he would never do that and did not believe that he did and did not want to press charges. However, what the mother wanted at this point, which was for them all to live under the same roof again so he could continue to rape the child, did not matter. He must face the law now

But none of this would have come to light had SCOTUS not overturned Roe vs. Wade. More than likely, the Ohio abortion doctor would never have reported the rape, just like he did not report the rape when he found out about it, and the mother was fine with her boyfriend raping her daughter. At least now the child won't be taken to the abortion doctor every year for that secret abortion no one dare talks about.
Would that these hypocritical right wing radicals cared about the results of these forced births once they are in the world.

Sadly the concern goes in the dumpster with the placenta
 
I'm not even Q but I predicted this outcome. :)

I figured when folks either entered the voting booth or voted from home that they would see the utility in abortion when not pressured by the extreme nut-jobs on either side of the issue.

I don't see it as a any indication of some BS blue resurgence either, I just see it as people applying common sense to the issue. If you look at the participation rate in the senate primary there's a better than 2-1 gop advantage.

What happened yesterday is exactly how it should go, the public should have the final say.....Not a bunch of politicians beholden to the far left and right extremists.

I'll be interested to see the gender breakdown.....I bet there will be a shit-ton of males that helped it fail. Let's face it, after 50 years of dodging the child support bullet it was not going to be tossed aside so easily. ;)
That bullet has capitalism's name on it. Bother genders have to confront its violence.
 
I'm not even Q but I predicted this outcome. :)

I figured when folks either entered the voting booth or voted from home that they would see the utility in abortion when not pressured by the extreme nut-jobs on either side of the issue.

I don't see it as a any indication of some BS blue resurgence either, I just see it as people applying common sense to the issue. If you look at the participation rate in the senate primary there's a better than 2-1 gop advantage.

What happened yesterday is exactly how it should go, the public should have the final say.....Not a bunch of politicians beholden to the far left and right extremists.

I'll be interested to see the gender breakdown.....I bet there will be a shit-ton of males that helped it fail. Let's face it, after 50 years of dodging the child support bullet it was not going to be tossed aside so easily. ;)
 
I'm not even Q but I predicted this outcome. :)

I figured when folks either entered the voting booth or voted from home that they would see the utility in abortion when not pressured by the extreme nut-jobs on either side of the issue.

I don't see it as a any indication of some BS blue resurgence either, I just see it as people applying common sense to the issue. If you look at the participation rate in the senate primary there's a better than 2-1 gop advantage.

What happened yesterday is exactly how it should go, the public should have the final say.....Not a bunch of politicians beholden to the far left and right extremists.

I'll be interested to see the gender breakdown.....I bet there will be a shit-ton of males that helped it fail. Let's face it, after 50 years of dodging the child support bullet it was not going to be tossed aside so easily. ;)
 
For some reason, this decision would be made during the Primary, not during the general election.
The reason was that the right wingers who put this on the ballot realized that in a general election, this measure would fail.

They did everything possible schedule it and word it so that they could win...and FAILED...in a landslide.

But folks need to understand that this fight isn't over. They will keep coming back and it's going to take concerted sustained effort to stop them

We need to remove Republicans up and down the ballot...in House and Senate...in State House races...in elections for DOG catcher.

All of them will bow to these right wing radicals.

Until they get the message...they can not be trusted
 
I’ve been spending a little time reading this, so my understanding may be incomplete. But let me explain what has happened so far, as I understand it. I’m not in Kansas, and have no first hand knowledge.

In 2019 the Kansas State Supreme Court ruled that the Kansas State Constitution protected a Woman’s right to an Abortion.


As I understand it, Anti Abortion forces decided that a Constitutional Amendment for Kansas would overturn the decision of the Supreme Court. So they put forth a ballot initiative to amend the Kansas State Constitution to allow the Legislature to decide if Abortion would be legal in Kansas, or not. All questions would be decided by the Legislature.

For some reason, this decision would be made during the Primary, not during the general election. Anyway, the decision was strongly against the Anti-Abortion proponents. In other words, Voters turned out in record numbers to vote, and they voted to protect a Woman’s right to an abortion.


The Anti Abortion folks aren’t taking this loss well. They plan on going to the Courts to get the decision they want. Their plan now, to oust the Kansas State Supreme Court Justices who made the initial decision, and then have new Judges decide the issue their way, so they can then ban Abortion in the Legislature.


Though the amendment’s failure is a setback for anti-abortion activists the issue has long held a prominent space in Kansas politics and activists signaled they have no plans to give up. As early as November, they’ll have the opportunity to attempt to oust members of the Supreme Court that declared abortion to be a right.

Ousting judges could be a pathway to overturning the 2019 decision.

“I certainly think there’s a pathway with a different composition of judges,” said Elizabeth Kirk, director for the Center for Law and the Human Person at Catholic University. “It could be overturned if a future court thought that nothing in the 1859 state constitution included a right to abortion.”


So Voters in Kansas have spoken, and the RW likes to claim that the Democrats use the courts to get what they can’t win at the Ballot Box, and what do the RW do? Immediately plan on using the courts to get what they can’t win at the ballot box.

Or perhaps we could say that the RW doesn’t give a shit about the Voters, and what they want. In fact, the Anti-Abortion folks think that their own voters are pretty stupid.

The Anti Abortion folks claim that the question was confusing. Apparently Reading Comprehension isn’t a strong trait in the voters on the Right according to their own advocates.

For one, they have expressed concern the ballot measure featured language they argued was intentionally designed to confuse voters. For example, the language used on the ballot said that a “yes” vote on the question would affirm that “the constitution of the state of Kansas does not require government funding of abortion” — even though no such requirement exists — “and does not create or secure a right to abortion.” A “yes” vote would have affirmed that “the people, through their elected state representatives and state senators, may pass laws regarding abortion,” something lawmakers are limited in doing now based on the 2019 court ruling.

Abortion rights advocates supported a “no” vote on the measures, which makes no changes to the status quo.


So how does that make you Conservatives Feel? Kansas, a solidly Red State, turned against you on the question of a Woman’s right to choose. And of course, the advocates for your cause think that the voters turned against them because the voters are idiots and too stupid to understand the ballot question. The voters who are supposedly voting for them.
Very well said. Among other things, what it shows is people who favor taking away a woman's right to choose on matters concerning reproduction really don't care what the majority wants. Their desire is to impose their religious beliefs on others. To force women to carry a fetus to term against their will.
 
That bullet has capitalism's name on it. Bother genders have to confront its violence.
They did and found the pro-life position wanting. I suspect it failed due to right-leaners voting against it looking at the better than 2-1 gop participation rate. The figures don't lie.

It never fails though.....When the public has the opportunity to take the abortion issue in hand the pro-life crowd breaks out in little assholes and shits themselves.
 
That's how detached the GOP is from what Americans want. Vote Them All Out.



huh? the gop wants the states to do just what is being done in Kansas

they will win kansas
 

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