Karl Rove: Some Republicans reconsidering opposition to gay marriage

[ArmyCowboy]

Good for Rove.

A true conservative is not concerned about consenting adults engaged in consenting adult behavior.

"ADULT"behavior... Is it really? What's adult about it? Two guys, most likely in their twenties or thirties --- running around an apartment naked and pretending to be what, doing what, feeling what? There is nothing "adult" about what homosexuals do except maybe desire to raise children... Watch "Broke Back Mountain". It is about the feeling, the excitement, the thrill but there is nothing adult about the behavior. It is like they never grew up and are too immature to handle simply taking responcibility and having sex to have a child. This simply seems to frighten them. They want to remain Peter Pans and never grow up, grow old, or mature... They want life to thrill them.

So how exactly does this differ from 20 or 30 something heterosexuals' behavior?

 

[LittleNipper]

What's behind the shift is a Libertarian movement being spearheaded by Rand Paul. Currently, the Republican Party are Progressives and much as Democrats. They to control your body. In the bedroom and in the womb, a several other things.

If my predictions are correct, the middle and moderates from both parties will defect to the Libertarian movement within a decade, while the extremes (Democrats and Republicans) whither into extinction.

Do you honestly believe 200 hundred plus years of our history will be swept away in the next decade? For that to happen Rand Paul and his clones will need to be appointed to the Supreme Court and begin to dismantle the body of law.

I feel that 200 plus years of US history will amount to nothing if "Gay" marriage becomes the law of the land. I have already witnessed the undermining of public education in 1963 and the cheapening of life with abortion on demand. So we are well on our way to the dumpster...

 

[ima]

What's behind the shift is a Libertarian movement being spearheaded by Rand Paul. Currently, the Republican Party are Progressives and much as Democrats. They to control your body. In the bedroom and in the womb, a several other things.

If my predictions are correct, the middle and moderates from both parties will defect to the Libertarian movement within a decade, while the extremes (Democrats and Republicans) whither into extinction.

Do you honestly believe 200 hundred plus years of our history will be swept away in the next decade? For that to happen Rand Paul and his clones will need to be appointed to the Supreme Court and begin to dismantle the body of law.

I feel that 200 plus years of US history will amount to nothing if "Gay" marriage becomes the law of the land. I have already witnessed the undermining of public education in 1963 and the cheapening of life with abortion on demand. So we are well on our way to the dumpster...

So you'd prefer a US where all people AREN'T created equal?

 

[ArmyCowboy]

What's behind the shift is a Libertarian movement being spearheaded by Rand Paul. Currently, the Republican Party are Progressives and much as Democrats. They to control your body. In the bedroom and in the womb, a several other things.

If my predictions are correct, the middle and moderates from both parties will defect to the Libertarian movement within a decade, while the extremes (Democrats and Republicans) whither into extinction.

Do you honestly believe 200 hundred plus years of our history will be swept away in the next decade? For that to happen Rand Paul and his clones will need to be appointed to the Supreme Court and begin to dismantle the body of law.

I feel that 200 plus years of US history will amount to nothing if "Gay" marriage becomes the law of the land. I have already witnessed the undermining of public education in 1963 and the cheapening of life with abortion on demand. So we are well on our way to the dumpster...

So exactly how will the fact that gays are allowed to marry affect your life?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Little Nipper, you cannot stop historical forces. Leave it to your God to sort out, as I will leave it to Jesus.

 

[ima]

Little Nipper, you cannot stop historical forces. Leave it to your God to sort out, as I will leave it to Jesus.

Jesus doesn't care that people are gay, as he was himself, most likely.

 

[JakeStarkey]

ima, why be an agent provocateur with such a nonsensical statement? You make as much as sense as Avatar who asserts Jesus was polygamist.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

ima, why be an agent provocateur with such a nonsensical statement? You make as much as sense as Avatar who asserts Jesus was polygamist.

The only thing I can say for sure is that if there was an historical Jesus (and there probably was) he didn't look a damned thing like the European art or the Hollywood movie character.

 

[LittleNipper]

Little Nipper, you cannot stop historical forces. Leave it to your God to sort out, as I will leave it to Jesus.

Christians need to try to bring up children properly and set an example so that others may see our light.

Please see: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkSc9RXs0IA]June Cleaver Talked to Beaver about God - YouTube[/ame]

 

[ArmyCowboy]

Little Nipper, you cannot stop historical forces. Leave it to your God to sort out, as I will leave it to Jesus.

Christians need to try to bring up children properly and set an example so that others may see our light.

Nobody is preventing you from doing that.

Just don't try to use the force of government to prevent others from doing what they feel is right.

 

[bodecea]

This is just what the two party system wants. Lets talk about what forms of sex government endorses so we don't have to balance budgets.

What will they talk about if this is ever resolved, WHICH IT WON"T BE.

Why conservatives want government in marriage at all is a mystery to me.

The government is necessarily involved in marriage, but it isn't compulsorily so. You don't have to get a marriage license to be with the person you love.

I think the larger issue is really judicial efficacy and not allowing gay marriage to simply be declared the law by unelected judges who have no direct responsibility to uphold the values of the electorate. I really think this would go a long way to putting some responsibility in the lap of the "marriage equality"/social change party (Democrats). Gays vote and donate heavily to Democrats for them to pay lip service, but even when they've had historic majorities, what have they done for the gay community? The biggest thing was repeal DADT, and even that was done in the lame duck session after the Democrats took a shellacking and most of those who voted for its repeal were on the way out the door. Even Obama who supposedly evolved on gay marriage said he wasn't going to do anything on that front, so really, this is their last bet. Have the courts declare it the law, or hope and pray the Democrats get some balls and put a gay marriage bill in Congress and see if it passes.

Why must government be involved in marriage? They need to be involved in marriage just as much as they need to be involved with me drinking a biggie soda.

Screw'em.

When will people stop grovelling at the feet of these pricks? Flip them the bird and stop asking for special perks above your other countrymen and women.

What have you ACTIVELY done to get government out of marriage?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Little Nipper, you cannot stop historical forces. Leave it to your God to sort out, as I will leave it to Jesus.

Christians need to try to bring up children properly and set an example so that others may see our light.

Please see: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkSc9RXs0IA]June Cleaver Talked to Beaver about God - YouTube[/ame]

You go right ahead, but you can't use government for that purpose.

 

[ima]

ima, why be an agent provocateur with such a nonsensical statement? You make as much as sense as Avatar who asserts Jesus was polygamist.

The only thing I can say for sure is that if there was an historical Jesus (and there probably was) he didn't look a damned thing like the European art or the Hollywood movie character.

Jesus is always portrayed as efeminite. He only hung around with guys. He was well groomed. He only slept with a woman once to see if he'd like it, obviously he didn't. he wore a dress proudly. And rode a donkey when we know that hetero men of the times rode horses. So the chances of him being gay are quite good.

 

[ima]

But Karl Rove did prove that even republicans don't believe in hating gays, they just did it for the votes.

 

[Stephanie]

The point of this thread is not justice or the right's of others, it's all about the hypocrisy of the GOP.

Hypocrisy?

How so?

Every party evolves.

Do you think every (R) opposes gay marriage or every (D) opposes gun ownership.

I said a few weeks back that the(Rs need to open their "Big Tent" back up.

that's what they want portray..

 

[LittleNipper]

Little Nipper, you cannot stop historical forces. Leave it to your God to sort out, as I will leave it to Jesus.

Christians need to try to bring up children properly and set an example so that others may see our light.

Please see: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkSc9RXs0IA]June Cleaver Talked to Beaver about God - YouTube[/ame]

You go right ahead, but you can't use government for that purpose.

Well, you shouldn't use them as bed buddies either. And note that the Beaver episode was pre-Bible and prayer removal from public school...

 

[JakeStarkey]

Who cares when it was?

Your philosophy is not the law, Little Nipper.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Rand Paul and clones will be submerged into with no real role in a much larger socially liberal and economically conservative movement. There will be no grand libertarian party or moment.

I agree. Hopefully "economically conservative" is also pragmatic, not modeled after the Tea Party and framed by ideology.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Christians need to try to bring up children properly and set an example so that others may see our light.

Please see: June Cleaver Talked to Beaver about God - YouTube

You go right ahead, but you can't use government for that purpose.

Well, you shouldn't use them as bed buddies either. And note that the Beaver episode was pre-Bible and prayer removal from public school...

"Leave it to Beaver" was broadcast before the bible was written.? Damn, I never knew that.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Rand Paul and clones will be submerged into with no real role in a much larger socially liberal and economically conservative movement. There will be no grand libertarian party or moment.

I agree. Hopefully "economically conservative" is also pragmatic, not modeled after the Tea Party and framed by ideology.

Let's hope.