Karl Rove: Some Republicans reconsidering opposition to gay marriage

[Votto]

Karl Rove gay marriage: Next GOP nominee could support gay marriage | WTVR.com

Very interesting. What do you think is behind this shift?

Rove is just laying the groundwork for what he thinks the next candidate has to say to win. Pretty soon he'll say the next GOP candidate will have to be "reconsidering" his pro-life stance as well. It's all electoral gamesmanship.

I can kill the suspense right now for Rove and anybody else who thinks a Republican who has "evolved" on gay marriage is going to win: it ain't happening. Try picking the Republican Republican Voters Will Vote For next time and they might win. Picking The Most Small-R Republican Wishy-Washy Democrats Will Vote For is how we got McCain and Romney.

This is just what the two party system wants. Lets talk about what forms of sex government endorses so we don't have to balance budgets.

What will they talk about if this is ever resolved, WHICH IT WON"T BE.

Why conservatives want government in marriage at all is a mystery to me.

 

[auditor0007]

Karl Rove gay marriage: Next GOP nominee could support gay marriage | WTVR.com

Very interesting. What do you think is behind this shift?

Many people have been on the fence about gay marriage. First they were on the fence about civil unions, and then they slowly began to accept that idea. The religious right will never go for gay marriage or any civil unions because the Bible says that's nasty. The problem is that most reasonable people are coming to an understanding that being gay is not a choice. Once a person understands that simple fact, then it changes everything. Even some Christians have a difficult time justifying a stance against gay marriage if God is the reason those people are gay in the first place. For those who are part of the religious right, they base their entire view of life based on scripture, which they take word for word. When they do this, it makes it impossible for them to change their view, because doing so would basically mean there is a flaw in their belief, so their entire belief system then collapses. Those Christians who look at scripture as a tool that is there to teach and learn from, yet can be left open to some interpretation, have the ability to change their views without having it destroy their entire belief system.

As this discussion continues, more and more people are at least questioning what they have believed and some are coming to new conclusions.

 

[editec]

Karl Rove gay marriage: Next GOP nominee could support gay marriage | WTVR.com

Very interesting. What do you think is behind this shift?

I think why causes the Ds and Rs to change is that either parrty actually STANDS for anything other than winning elections.

Hell folks, I can remember when the Ds actually CARED about workers in America.

Clearly they stopped doing that a long long time ago.

 

[Seawytch]

I say "good luck" to Karl for trying to shake the Evangelicals out of the Corporate focused GOP.

Corporate GOP can not stand the Evangelicals.

I know, which is why the "establishment" is trying to "cast off the yoke". Good luck.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It should be freaking obvious even to ignorant left wingers blinded by their sissie ideology that most Americans do not approve of homosexual marriage. The most liberal state in the Nation voted against the proposition and that's what they are whining about. They want to force the agenda down out throats (pardon the pun) when they can't get it passed in a referendum.

Equal rights have nothing to do with majority rule.

"sissy ideology"
Is that what I am blinded by?
What is it that is blinding you?

If democarcy is a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges, the possibility of such is greater when The People speak and not special interests. Which is why I so oppose CU v. FEC and the influence of money on our political process.

One simply needs to see how money influenced the Initiative in California on Gay Marriage. Outside money from anonymous donors flooded into the state offering evidence that voters can be herded into that which was feared by many of the founders of this nation - Mobocracy.

 

[Votto]

Karl Rove gay marriage: Next GOP nominee could support gay marriage | WTVR.com

Very interesting. What do you think is behind this shift?

Many people have been on the fence about gay marriage. First they were on the fence about civil unions, and then they slowly began to accept that idea. The religious right will never go for gay marriage or any civil unions because the Bible says that's nasty. The problem is that most reasonable people are coming to an understanding that being gay is not a choice. Once a person understands that simple fact, then it changes everything. Even some Christians have a difficult time justifying a stance against gay marriage if God is the reason those people are gay in the first place. For those who are part of the religious right, they base their entire view of life based on scripture, which they take word for word. When they do this, it makes it impossible for them to change their view, because doing so would basically mean there is a flaw in their belief, so their entire belief system then collapses. Those Christians who look at scripture as a tool that is there to teach and learn from, yet can be left open to some interpretation, have the ability to change their views without having it destroy their entire belief system.

As this discussion continues, more and more people are at least questioning what they have believed and some are coming to new conclusions.

So long as you have cultures, like Ancient Greece, that openly embrace homosexual conduct and, as a result, it is widespread, you can never convince me that choice is not in the equation. That is not to say that some are genetically predisposed to this conduct.

Why do our leaders make us embrace or reject homosexuality? Why not let each person come to their own conclusions minus the power of the state to endorse it, or reject it, like in the case of polygamy? Why have the state envolved in marriage at all?

 

[Qball]

Karl Rove gay marriage: Next GOP nominee could support gay marriage | WTVR.com

Very interesting. What do you think is behind this shift?

Rove is just laying the groundwork for what he thinks the next candidate has to say to win. Pretty soon he'll say the next GOP candidate will have to be "reconsidering" his pro-life stance as well. It's all electoral gamesmanship.

I can kill the suspense right now for Rove and anybody else who thinks a Republican who has "evolved" on gay marriage is going to win: it ain't happening. Try picking the Republican Republican Voters Will Vote For next time and they might win. Picking The Most Small-R Republican Wishy-Washy Democrats Will Vote For is how we got McCain and Romney.

This is just what the two party system wants. Lets talk about what forms of sex government endorses so we don't have to balance budgets.

What will they talk about if this is ever resolved, WHICH IT WON"T BE.

Why conservatives want government in marriage at all is a mystery to me.

The government is necessarily involved in marriage, but it isn't compulsorily so. You don't have to get a marriage license to be with the person you love.

I think the larger issue is really judicial efficacy and not allowing gay marriage to simply be declared the law by unelected judges who have no direct responsibility to uphold the values of the electorate. I really think this would go a long way to putting some responsibility in the lap of the "marriage equality"/social change party (Democrats). Gays vote and donate heavily to Democrats for them to pay lip service, but even when they've had historic majorities, what have they done for the gay community? The biggest thing was repeal DADT, and even that was done in the lame duck session after the Democrats took a shellacking and most of those who voted for its repeal were on the way out the door. Even Obama who supposedly evolved on gay marriage said he wasn't going to do anything on that front, so really, this is their last bet. Have the courts declare it the law, or hope and pray the Democrats get some balls and put a gay marriage bill in Congress and see if it passes.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Good for Rove.

A true conservative is not concerned about consenting adults engaged in consenting adult behavior.

 

[Votto]

Rove is just laying the groundwork for what he thinks the next candidate has to say to win. Pretty soon he'll say the next GOP candidate will have to be "reconsidering" his pro-life stance as well. It's all electoral gamesmanship.

I can kill the suspense right now for Rove and anybody else who thinks a Republican who has "evolved" on gay marriage is going to win: it ain't happening. Try picking the Republican Republican Voters Will Vote For next time and they might win. Picking The Most Small-R Republican Wishy-Washy Democrats Will Vote For is how we got McCain and Romney.

This is just what the two party system wants. Lets talk about what forms of sex government endorses so we don't have to balance budgets.

What will they talk about if this is ever resolved, WHICH IT WON"T BE.

Why conservatives want government in marriage at all is a mystery to me.

The government is necessarily involved in marriage, but it isn't compulsorily so. You don't have to get a marriage license to be with the person you love.

I think the larger issue is really judicial efficacy and not allowing gay marriage to simply be declared the law by unelected judges who have no direct responsibility to uphold the values of the electorate. I really think this would go a long way to putting some responsibility in the lap of the "marriage equality"/social change party (Democrats). Gays vote and donate heavily to Democrats for them to pay lip service, but even when they've had historic majorities, what have they done for the gay community? The biggest thing was repeal DADT, and even that was done in the lame duck session after the Democrats took a shellacking and most of those who voted for its repeal were on the way out the door. Even Obama who supposedly evolved on gay marriage said he wasn't going to do anything on that front, so really, this is their last bet. Have the courts declare it the law, or hope and pray the Democrats get some balls and put a gay marriage bill in Congress and see if it passes.

Why must government be involved in marriage? They need to be involved in marriage just as much as they need to be involved with me drinking a biggie soda.

Screw'em.

When will people stop grovelling at the feet of these pricks? Flip them the bird and stop asking for special perks above your other countrymen and women.

 

[Votto]

Good for Rove.

A true conservative is not concerned about consenting adults engaged in consenting adult behavior.

A true conservative does not want government involved at all. Instead, people like Rove wish us to embrace government embracing homosexual unions.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Good for Rove.

A true conservative is not concerned about consenting adults engaged in consenting adult behavior.

A true conservative does not want government involved at all. Instead, people like Rove wish us to embrace government embracing homosexual unions.

Unfortunately for you, government is the one that sanctions and legalizes marriages.

The true conservative then does not want the government to interfere any more than to ensure that no makes you marry a person of your own sex.

Your way it the liberal way: restrict marriage to only your lifestyle. That is not conservative.

 

[LittleNipper]

Good for Rove.

A true conservative is not concerned about consenting adults engaged in consenting adult behavior.

"ADULT"behavior... Is it really? What's adult about it? Two guys, most likely in their twenties or thirties --- running around an apartment naked and pretending to be what, doing what, feeling what? There is nothing "adult" about what homosexuals do except maybe desire to raise children... Watch "Broke Back Mountain". It is about the feeling, the excitement, the thrill but there is nothing adult about the behavior. It is like they never grew up and are too immature to handle simply taking responcibility and having sex to have a child. This simply seems to frighten them. They want to remain Peter Pans and never grow up, grow old, or mature... They want life to thrill them.

 

[Wry Catcher]

"A true conservative does not want government involved at all"? What does that mean? Does it mean a true conservatives doesn't want government to be involved in those things they oppose, but are okay with other matters which they support? Does it mean the Federal Government, or every level of government? What in your opinion, or the opinion of other "true conservatives" is the proper and only role of government?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Good for Rove.

A true conservative is not concerned about consenting adults engaged in consenting adult behavior.

"ADULT"behavior... Is it really? What's adult about it? Two guys, most likely in their twenties or thirties --- running around an apartment naked and pretending to be what, doing what, feeling what? There is nothing "adult" about what homosexuals do except maybe desire to raise children... Watch "Broke Back Mountain". It is about the feeling, the excitement, the thrill but there is nothing adult about the behavior. It is like they never grew up and are too immature to handle simply taking responcibility and having sex to have a child. This simply seems to frighten them. They want to remain Peter Pans and never grow up, grow old, or mature... They want life to thrill them.

They are adults. They are entitled to marry they want. Your approval or disapproval is not required. Do you understand that? Do you understand that is true conservatism?

 

[The2ndAmendment]

What's behind the shift is a Libertarian movement being spearheaded by Rand Paul. Currently, the Republican Party are Progressives and much as Democrats. They to control your body. In the bedroom and in the womb, a several other things.

If my predictions are correct, the middle and moderates from both parties will defect to the Libertarian movement within a decade, while the extremes (Democrats and Republicans) whither into extinction.

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In short, Republicans that truly believe in small and unobtrusive government are realizing their hypocrisy by dictating marriage, sexual procedures and birth control practices. If you want to be a Progressive, join the Communo-Fascist Party that despises the Ninth Amendment (Democrats). They freely admit it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

What's behind the shift is a Libertarian movement being spearheaded by Rand Paul. Currently, the Republican Party are Progressives and much as Democrats. They to control your body. In the bedroom and in the womb, a several other things.

If my predictions are correct, the middle and moderates from both parties will defect to the Libertarian movement within a decade, while the extremes (Democrats and Republicans) whither into extinction.

And will sublimate the libertarians in a dem-pub compromise of socially liberal and economically conservative components without the libertarian nonsense.

 

[Wry Catcher]

What's behind the shift is a Libertarian movement being spearheaded by Rand Paul. Currently, the Republican Party are Progressives and much as Democrats. They to control your body. In the bedroom and in the womb, a several other things.

If my predictions are correct, the middle and moderates from both parties will defect to the Libertarian movement within a decade, while the extremes (Democrats and Republicans) whither into extinction.

Do you honestly believe 200 hundred plus years of our history will be swept away in the next decade? For that to happen Rand Paul and his clones will need to be appointed to the Supreme Court and begin to dismantle the body of law.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Rand Paul and clones will be submerged into with no real role in a much larger socially liberal and economically conservative movement. There will be no grand libertarian party or moment.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

What's behind the shift is a Libertarian movement being spearheaded by Rand Paul. Currently, the Republican Party are Progressives and much as Democrats. They to control your body. In the bedroom and in the womb, a several other things.

If my predictions are correct, the middle and moderates from both parties will defect to the Libertarian movement within a decade, while the extremes (Democrats and Republicans) whither into extinction.

Do you honestly believe 200 hundred plus years of our history will be swept away in the next decade? For that to happen Rand Paul and his clones will need to be appointed to the Supreme Court and begin to dismantle the body of law.

Our history is Libertarian, and both parties are now Authoritarian. There have been many realignments in our history of the parties. This wouldn't' be a unique occurrence. A realignment is drawing near.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Our history is classical liberalism, not libertarian. Any who suggest they are similar cannot defend the claim.