Kellyanne admits it - they aren't really going to repeal Obamacare.

[AntonToo]

Top Trump aide: 20M on Obamacare "will not be without coverage" in transition to new plan

"Kellyanne Conway, senior adviser to President Donald Trump, said Sunday that no one will lose their health insurance during the transition from the Affordable Care Act to a new health care law Republicans aim to put in place. “For the 20 million who rely upon the Affordable Care Act in some form, they will not be without coverage during his transition time,” Conway told CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

So they admit that people are relying on coverage obtained as a result of the ACA, they admit that people are benefiting from it, and they concede they can't simply repeal the ACA as they promised.

Top Trump aide: 20M on Obamacare "will not be without coverage" in transition to new plan - CBS News

You see, what they're really going to do is keep Obamacare, while making some supposed 'improvements', and call it repeal and replace,

and in the process, they'll end up effectively claiming credit for the 'new' Obamacare.

Wow....the stupid is strong with you today.....she didn't say anything that you stated in your title.......she is specifically saying they are going to repeal obamacare and replace it and during that time no one will be without care.......you should get some help with your issues.......

What is ending....the government take over of healthcare so that we will not have 320 million people in a VA quality healthcare system that allows veterans to die on fake waiting lists...

So how do they plan to insure the millions who are now on subsidized insurance, or on expanded Medicare, or have pre-existing conditions, or are on their parents' plan, or now have insurance without lifetime limits?

How do they plan to preserve ALL of that in some way that won't simply be replacing Obamacare with Obamacare 2.0?

The Republicans have a plan.....and it will cover those people......the part you brain can't comprehend....is mandating that people by the most expensive, unnecessary plans possible in order to wreck private healthcare......competition is how you drive costs down and improve access and quality.....allowing bureaucrats in washington to create insurance plans destroys healthcare...

So under the GOP plan, who will be paying to cover the people who can't afford it?

No one man, it is a magical, wonderful plan. Stop raining on his parade.

 

[2aguy]

Top Trump aide: 20M on Obamacare "will not be without coverage" in transition to new plan

"Kellyanne Conway, senior adviser to President Donald Trump, said Sunday that no one will lose their health insurance during the transition from the Affordable Care Act to a new health care law Republicans aim to put in place. “For the 20 million who rely upon the Affordable Care Act in some form, they will not be without coverage during his transition time,” Conway told CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

So they admit that people are relying on coverage obtained as a result of the ACA, they admit that people are benefiting from it, and they concede they can't simply repeal the ACA as they promised.

Top Trump aide: 20M on Obamacare "will not be without coverage" in transition to new plan - CBS News

You see, what they're really going to do is keep Obamacare, while making some supposed 'improvements', and call it repeal and replace,

and in the process, they'll end up effectively claiming credit for the 'new' Obamacare.

Wow....the stupid is strong with you today.....she didn't say anything that you stated in your title.......she is specifically saying they are going to repeal obamacare and replace it and during that time no one will be without care.......you should get some help with your issues.......

What is ending....the government take over of healthcare so that we will not have 320 million people in a VA quality healthcare system that allows veterans to die on fake waiting lists...

So how do they plan to insure the millions who are now on subsidized insurance, or on expanded Medicare, or have pre-existing conditions, or are on their parents' plan, or now have insurance without lifetime limits?

How do they plan to preserve ALL of that in some way that won't simply be replacing Obamacare with Obamacare 2.0?

The Republicans have a plan.....and it will cover those people......the part you brain can't comprehend....is mandating that people by the most expensive, unnecessary plans possible in order to wreck private healthcare......competition is how you drive costs down and improve access and quality.....allowing bureaucrats in washington to create insurance plans destroys healthcare...

So under the GOP plan, who will be paying to cover the people who can't afford it?

We'll see......but it won't be done with over priced, under performing obamacare...

 

[2aguy]

You guys....you still don't get Trump........that's a good thing.....keep underestimating him...

 

[Cellblock2429]

All you need to do is remove the mandatory coverage clause and it dies on its own.

Dear saveliberty
Why not shift the cost of coverage and exchanges to the Democratic party that promised this. Sue Obama Pelosi and all Democrats who voted in the mandates to form an LLC to pay for this program they set up. After all, it is based on a political BELIEF in centralized health care, so like any other advertised program the people who believe in and promised that to donors should be held legally to fulfill the terms they advertised.

If you take it further, these Democrats in federal govt violated civil rights of others by forcing taxpayers to fund opposing beliefs in federal mandates against Constitutional beliefs in due process proving which citizens violated which laws before depriving civil liberties by imposing mandates restricting free choice in how to pay or provide for health care. So these Democrats who abused political and govt power could be sued to reimburse tax money spent on forced policies and mandates that violated the establisment clause of the First Amendment as well as other Constitutional principles and process .

And that refunded money can be ordered used to cover the health care for the citizens they enrolled into exchanges or programs dependent on govt as THEY believe in, but not other taxpayers for whom this is a violation of Constitutional beliefs in limited govt that requires Constitutional Amendment and consent of people and states before conceding individual rights and liberties to federal control .

Note: if you would sign on to a class action lawsuit charging these Democrats for conspiring to violate Constitutional rights of taxpaying citizens by depriving us of liberty without due process and discriminating by creed, let me know. I'd like to write this up and demand reimbursement to taxpayers of all federal funds misspent on ACA and use those credits to cover the health care of those who believe in depending on federal govt, shifting responsibility to the Democratic Party to manage the resources and programs without imposing on any other citizens or parties who believe in free market choices for health care. PoliticalChic would you also sign on to a class action lawsuit demanding Democrats to pay for their own single payer health care system through govt that is opitional to participate in Unless someone is convicted of a crime or violation and owes restitution or agrees to fund the program in order to qualify for benefits under its terms.

/---- Politicians made themselves immune from lawsuits.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Here's what Republican Tom Price's plan does:

"Price attempts to do that by providing those without access to employer-provided coverage, Medicare, Medicaid or the VA system with a “refundable” tax credit—which means the money comes directly off people’s income tax obligation. And if they owe little or no income tax, they can put the balance towards the purchase of health insurance.

Price doesn’t try to create a universal tax credit as John McCain proposed, or a universal tax deduction as President George W. Bush proposed. His more limited approach—which will likely face less resistance because it is limited—provides age-adjusted help only to those buying their own coverage in the individual market: $1,200 for individuals 18 to 35; $2,100 for 35-50; and $3,000 for those who are 50 and over. There is no income test as there is with Obamacare subsidies."

If you are smart, you can see that the above is really just a form of the mandate in disguise.

Now We Know What The Republican Obamacare Replacement Plan Will Look Like

 

[2aguy]

Top Trump aide: 20M on Obamacare "will not be without coverage" in transition to new plan

"Kellyanne Conway, senior adviser to President Donald Trump, said Sunday that no one will lose their health insurance during the transition from the Affordable Care Act to a new health care law Republicans aim to put in place. “For the 20 million who rely upon the Affordable Care Act in some form, they will not be without coverage during his transition time,” Conway told CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

So they admit that people are relying on coverage obtained as a result of the ACA, they admit that people are benefiting from it, and they concede they can't simply repeal the ACA as they promised.

Top Trump aide: 20M on Obamacare "will not be without coverage" in transition to new plan - CBS News

You see, what they're really going to do is keep Obamacare, while making some supposed 'improvements', and call it repeal and replace,

and in the process, they'll end up effectively claiming credit for the 'new' Obamacare.

Wow....the stupid is strong with you today.....she didn't say anything that you stated in your title.......she is specifically saying they are going to repeal obamacare and replace it and during that time no one will be without care.......you should get some help with your issues.......

What is ending....the government take over of healthcare so that we will not have 320 million people in a VA quality healthcare system that allows veterans to die on fake waiting lists...

So how do they plan to insure the millions who are now on subsidized insurance, or on expanded Medicare, or have pre-existing conditions, or are on their parents' plan, or now have insurance without lifetime limits?

How do they plan to preserve ALL of that in some way that won't simply be replacing Obamacare with Obamacare 2.0?

The Republicans have a plan.....and it will cover those people......the part you brain can't comprehend....is mandating that people by the most expensive, unnecessary plans possible in order to wreck private healthcare......competition is how you drive costs down and improve access and quality.....allowing bureaucrats in washington to create insurance plans destroys healthcare...

So under the GOP plan, who will be paying to cover the people who can't afford it?

No one man, it is a magical, wonderful plan. Stop raining on his parade.

You don't understand that obamacare was in a death spiral...right? The premiums were skyrocketing, the actual deductible was unpayable........it was created to destroy private healthcare, not to cover actually sick people........

 

[emilynghiem]

All you need to do is remove the mandatory coverage clause and it dies on its own.

Dear saveliberty
Why not shift the cost of coverage and exchanges to the Democratic party that promised this. Sue Obama Pelosi and all Democrats who voted in the mandates to form an LLC to pay for this program they set up. After all, it is based on a political BELIEF in centralized health care, so like any other advertised program the people who believe in and promised that to donors should be held legally to fulfill the terms they advertised.

If you take it further, these Democrats in federal govt violated civil rights of others by forcing taxpayers to fund opposing beliefs in federal mandates against Constitutional beliefs in due process proving which citizens violated which laws before depriving civil liberties by imposing mandates restricting free choice in how to pay or provide for health care. So these Democrats who abused political and govt power could be sued to reimburse tax money spent on forced policies and mandates that violated the establisment clause of the First Amendment as well as other Constitutional principles and process .

And that refunded money can be ordered used to cover the health care for the citizens they enrolled into exchanges or programs dependent on govt as THEY believe in, but not other taxpayers for whom this is a violation of Constitutional beliefs in limited govt that requires Constitutional Amendment and consent of people and states before conceding individual rights and liberties to federal control .

Note: if you would sign on to a class action lawsuit charging these Democrats for conspiring to violate Constitutional rights of taxpaying citizens by depriving us of liberty without due process and discriminating by creed, let me know. I'd like to write this up and demand reimbursement to taxpayers of all federal funds misspent on ACA and use those credits to cover the health care of those who believe in depending on federal govt, shifting responsibility to the Democratic Party to manage the resources and programs without imposing on any other citizens or parties who believe in free market choices for health care. PoliticalChic would you also sign on to a class action lawsuit demanding Democrats to pay for their own single payer health care system through govt that is opitional to participate in Unless someone is convicted of a crime or violation and owes restitution or agrees to fund the program in order to qualify for benefits under its terms.

/---- Politicians made themselves immune from lawsuits.

What about political parties?

 

[AntonToo]

Top Trump aide: 20M on Obamacare "will not be without coverage" in transition to new plan

"Kellyanne Conway, senior adviser to President Donald Trump, said Sunday that no one will lose their health insurance during the transition from the Affordable Care Act to a new health care law Republicans aim to put in place. “For the 20 million who rely upon the Affordable Care Act in some form, they will not be without coverage during his transition time,” Conway told CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

So they admit that people are relying on coverage obtained as a result of the ACA, they admit that people are benefiting from it, and they concede they can't simply repeal the ACA as they promised.

Top Trump aide: 20M on Obamacare "will not be without coverage" in transition to new plan - CBS News

You see, what they're really going to do is keep Obamacare, while making some supposed 'improvements', and call it repeal and replace,

and in the process, they'll end up effectively claiming credit for the 'new' Obamacare.

Wow....the stupid is strong with you today.....she didn't say anything that you stated in your title.......she is specifically saying they are going to repeal obamacare and replace it and during that time no one will be without care.......you should get some help with your issues.......

What is ending....the government take over of healthcare so that we will not have 320 million people in a VA quality healthcare system that allows veterans to die on fake waiting lists...

So how do they plan to insure the millions who are now on subsidized insurance, or on expanded Medicare, or have pre-existing conditions, or are on their parents' plan, or now have insurance without lifetime limits?

How do they plan to preserve ALL of that in some way that won't simply be replacing Obamacare with Obamacare 2.0?

The Republicans have a plan.....and it will cover those people

What plan is that specifically? Are you just saying this out of faith or actual knowledge...that no one but you has?

The Empower Patients first act is the one Tom Price is going to lead the way on........it covers everything you guys are bitching about...

Has it ACTUALLY been proposed by Republicans as their alternative to Obamacare?

No, it hasn't and there are good reasons:


Writing in the Washington Post, Ezra Klein said that the bill had some good ideas but that it would not work. In particular he said "its version of the health insurance exchanges will collapse pretty quickly because the bill contains

• no individual mandate ensuring that the pool includes both healthy and sick individuals
• no insurance market regulations stopping insurers from cherrypicking
• no risk adjustment rebalancing the scales when they do."

He said "In other words, this looks much like the reforms that collapsed in Texas, and in California. Price isn't learning from past policy mistakes, and so he means to repeat them."

 

[Tom Horn]

RUBBER ROOM.

 

[AntonToo]

Wow....the stupid is strong with you today.....she didn't say anything that you stated in your title.......she is specifically saying they are going to repeal obamacare and replace it and during that time no one will be without care.......you should get some help with your issues.......

What is ending....the government take over of healthcare so that we will not have 320 million people in a VA quality healthcare system that allows veterans to die on fake waiting lists...

So how do they plan to insure the millions who are now on subsidized insurance, or on expanded Medicare, or have pre-existing conditions, or are on their parents' plan, or now have insurance without lifetime limits?

How do they plan to preserve ALL of that in some way that won't simply be replacing Obamacare with Obamacare 2.0?

The Republicans have a plan.....and it will cover those people......the part you brain can't comprehend....is mandating that people by the most expensive, unnecessary plans possible in order to wreck private healthcare......competition is how you drive costs down and improve access and quality.....allowing bureaucrats in washington to create insurance plans destroys healthcare...

So under the GOP plan, who will be paying to cover the people who can't afford it?

No one man, it is a magical, wonderful plan. Stop raining on his parade.

You don't understand that obamacare was in a death spiral...right? The premiums were skyrocketing, the actual deductible was unpayable........it was created to destroy private healthcare, not to cover actually sick people........

Made up bullshit. Obamacare is very specifically designed to ensure affordability and there has not been outstanding premium increases nationally:

 

[NYcarbineer]

RUBBER ROOM.

Try using a smaller size.

 

[mudwhistle]

I don't think you understand....or maybe you do.

The ACA requires that people buy insurance coverage they don't want or they don't need. It also requires employers to pay for it. Many employers would rather pay a fine than pay for insurance for their employees. Millions will lose their current coverage and have to join an exchange and sign up for insurance that is too expensive and has higher than normal deductibles, rendering their coverage useless. Some companies, just to avoid paying a penalty (tax), will reduce their employees' hours to get below the minimum required to qualify for mandates reducing their incomes. Good luck taking that to court too.

I don't think you understand, mandate is in the law because a system that provides access to healthcare to all Americans (Republicans and Trump are still promising to remain) DOESN'T WORK WITHOUT IT.

Obama didn't like the idea of mandate, but he had to accept it because the alternative of insurance-only-when-you-want-it cannot work.

No person in this world is without risk of serious injury or expensive illness. Correspondingly, no person in this world should be without insurance. Republicans used to call insurance mandate a matter of taking responsibility for the financial risk your body poses to society...times have changed.

Fortunately this is a free society and being forced to buy any product is not within the powers of the federal government. They can tax us, but they cannot force us to buy insurance, which is not innumerable in the US Constitution.

You are wrong. The mandate never forces you to buy insurance.

1. Yes, the federal government can tax you.
2. The federal government can also give you a specific, targeted tax credit or reduction that you can only get if you do something specific -

have a kid, get a mortgage, BUY HEALTH INSURANCE, etc.

You say potatoooo....I say potaato.

I already said they can't, ....

So all your RW pals who say the ACA forces people to buy insurance are full of shit?

In a way they're right.

By law, they aren't.

Point being, Uncle Sam is attempting to force a product we don't want down our throats. This is why it was designed to fail.

 

[Mac1958]

So I assume by now that it has been established that Conway didn't "admit" anything.

Fake news, fake threads, fake posts. Partisan ideologues wouldn't know intellectual honesty if it bit them square on the ass.
.

 

[Tom Horn]

RUBBER ROOM.

Try using a smaller size.

Try not fake-quoting Kellyanne, loser.

 

[BULLDOG]

Top Trump aide: 20M on Obamacare "will not be without coverage" in transition to new plan

"Kellyanne Conway, senior adviser to President Donald Trump, said Sunday that no one will lose their health insurance during the transition from the Affordable Care Act to a new health care law Republicans aim to put in place. “For the 20 million who rely upon the Affordable Care Act in some form, they will not be without coverage during his transition time,” Conway told CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

So they admit that people are relying on coverage obtained as a result of the ACA, they admit that people are benefiting from it, and they concede they can't simply repeal the ACA as they promised.

Top Trump aide: 20M on Obamacare "will not be without coverage" in transition to new plan - CBS News

You see, what they're really going to do is keep Obamacare, while making some supposed 'improvements', and call it repeal and replace,

and in the process, they'll end up effectively claiming credit for the 'new' Obamacare.

Wow....the stupid is strong with you today.....she didn't say anything that you stated in your title.......she is specifically saying they are going to repeal obamacare and replace it and during that time no one will be without care.......you should get some help with your issues.......

What is ending....the government take over of healthcare so that we will not have 320 million people in a VA quality healthcare system that allows veterans to die on fake waiting lists...

So how do they plan to insure the millions who are now on subsidized insurance, or on expanded Medicare, or have pre-existing conditions, or are on their parents' plan, or now have insurance without lifetime limits?

How do they plan to preserve ALL of that in some way that won't simply be replacing Obamacare with Obamacare 2.0?

The Republicans have a plan.....and it will cover those people......the part you brain can't comprehend....is mandating that people by the most expensive, unnecessary plans possible in order to wreck private healthcare......competition is how you drive costs down and improve access and quality.....allowing bureaucrats in washington to create insurance plans destroys healthcare...

So under the GOP plan, who will be paying to cover the people who can't afford it?

We'll see......but it won't be done with over priced, under performing obamacare...

No, It will be Obamacare with the changes that should have already been made. They will try to stick another name on it to discredit Obama, but it will still basically be Obamacare.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I don't think you understand, mandate is in the law because a system that provides access to healthcare to all Americans (Republicans and Trump are still promising to remain) DOESN'T WORK WITHOUT IT.

Obama didn't like the idea of mandate, but he had to accept it because the alternative of insurance-only-when-you-want-it cannot work.

No person in this world is without risk of serious injury or expensive illness. Correspondingly, no person in this world should be without insurance. Republicans used to call insurance mandate a matter of taking responsibility for the financial risk your body poses to society...times have changed.

Fortunately this is a free society and being forced to buy any product is not within the powers of the federal government. They can tax us, but they cannot force us to buy insurance, which is not innumerable in the US Constitution.

You are wrong. The mandate never forces you to buy insurance.

1. Yes, the federal government can tax you.
2. The federal government can also give you a specific, targeted tax credit or reduction that you can only get if you do something specific -

have a kid, get a mortgage, BUY HEALTH INSURANCE, etc.

You say potatoooo....I say potaato.

I already said they can't, ....

So all your RW pals who say the ACA forces people to buy insurance are full of shit?

In a way they're right.

By law, they aren't.

Point being, Uncle Sam is attempting to force a product we don't want down our throats. This is why it was designed to fail.

Does the mortgage deduction force you to buy a house?

 

[NYcarbineer]

RUBBER ROOM.

Try using a smaller size.

Try not fake-quoting Kellyanne, loser.

I didn't quote her except where she's quoted in the link.

 

[Tom Horn]

I didn't quote her except where she's quoted in the link.

Bullshit.

 

[2aguy]

Wow....the stupid is strong with you today.....she didn't say anything that you stated in your title.......she is specifically saying they are going to repeal obamacare and replace it and during that time no one will be without care.......you should get some help with your issues.......

What is ending....the government take over of healthcare so that we will not have 320 million people in a VA quality healthcare system that allows veterans to die on fake waiting lists...

So how do they plan to insure the millions who are now on subsidized insurance, or on expanded Medicare, or have pre-existing conditions, or are on their parents' plan, or now have insurance without lifetime limits?

How do they plan to preserve ALL of that in some way that won't simply be replacing Obamacare with Obamacare 2.0?

The Republicans have a plan.....and it will cover those people......the part you brain can't comprehend....is mandating that people by the most expensive, unnecessary plans possible in order to wreck private healthcare......competition is how you drive costs down and improve access and quality.....allowing bureaucrats in washington to create insurance plans destroys healthcare...

So under the GOP plan, who will be paying to cover the people who can't afford it?

We'll see......but it won't be done with over priced, under performing obamacare...

No, It will be Obamacare with the changes that should have already been made. They will try to stick another name on it to discredit Obama, but it will still basically be Obamacare.

wrong.....there will be actual competition, plans will address the actual needs of the buyer, and there will be no mandate that drives the costs up.....

 

[2aguy]

Fortunately this is a free society and being forced to buy any product is not within the powers of the federal government. They can tax us, but they cannot force us to buy insurance, which is not innumerable in the US Constitution.

You are wrong. The mandate never forces you to buy insurance.

1. Yes, the federal government can tax you.
2. The federal government can also give you a specific, targeted tax credit or reduction that you can only get if you do something specific -

have a kid, get a mortgage, BUY HEALTH INSURANCE, etc.

You say potatoooo....I say potaato.

I already said they can't, ....

So all your RW pals who say the ACA forces people to buy insurance are full of shit?

In a way they're right.

By law, they aren't.

Point being, Uncle Sam is attempting to force a product we don't want down our throats. This is why it was designed to fail.

Does the mortgage deduction force you to buy a house?

obamacare forced you to buy insurance......and as of this year the fines for businesses kick in...which means that it is cheaper for a business to pay the obamacare fine for not having insurance for your employees, than it is to actually provide good quality healthcare plans.....which means that millions of Americans were going to lose the healthcare they like, to be forced into more expensive, higher deductible, lower quality obamacare....

All according to the plan...but it happened too soon.........people realized their premiums were out of control when the letters went out in October......one month too soon...