Kerry: Putin is going to lose

[Kondor3]

But, sooner or later, isn't a Crash (of that nature, and triggered by those very players and alliances) coming anyway?

And, if the answer to that is 'yes', isn't it better to get that over with, sooner rather than later, and pick up the pieces and 'tweak' our participation in globalization and inter-dependency, after decades of selfish and delusional optimism that such could be sustained indefinitely, at such levels, and at such a pace?

 

[Kondor3]

Like China would just stand by wringing its hands if we repudiated their debt. HAH.

Yeah, I know it sounds like a dumb idea - and maybe it is.

But we're talking about Radical Economic Attack upon the United States here.

So it's OK to speculate about Radical Economic Counterattacks, isn't it?

I'm genuinely interested in what we would do, if that bond-selloff by China ever materialized.

Or maybe I should have said WHEN rather than IF ?

 

[MisterBeale]

The piece you quoted is so ignorant it is quite hilarious.
First of all Russia and China are not allies and the idea that Russia can force China to do anything is laughable.
Second, China pointedly did not support Russia over Ukraine. It is keeping itself out of this altogether.
Thirdly, the idea that China would agree to try to drive down the dollar by selling it's US treasuries is complete nonsense. This would mean China would make it's enormous reserves worthless and destroy it's exports to the US creating an enormous recession in China.

Your cognitive bias is showing.

News flash, China already knows it's reserves are worthless, it has been buying gold and other commodities to compensate. That is the whole point, when it dumps it's reserves, it will get rid of as much of them as it can, then who will be left holding them?

Once it does so, China has a BILLION people, it will find a market for the goods it creates, be sure of that. Mercantilism isn't necessarily dead. Have you seen what China is doing in Africa? How about their Pakistani port? Likewise, it has been developing trade with other nations. The rest of the world can give China as much as it needs for the goods it produces. Your American exceptionalism has blinded you to reality. You are like the abusive husband that thinks his abused wife can't live with out him.


Think what you will. Perhaps we just have different experiences and different knowledge.

I knew that the 2008 collapse of the stock market was going to happen before it did. Christopher Story predicted it in 2006, it was published on his website. He published and foretold of the corruption in Fannie-Mae and Freddie-Mac.

Perhaps what he has published in collaboration with Anatoliy Golitsyn may not be too far off the mark. President Obama certainly fits the profile. What the Americans and the European collective have done in the Ukraine have certainly played right into the Russians' hands, hasn't it? The allies didn't put up much of a hassle for the Russkies in Georgia either now, did they?

Of course the Russians can't "make" the Chinese do anything, the Chinese are willing partners. That is the whole point when you understand The Perestroika Deception. Likewise, Obama and the Democrats are also the Russians' allies when you study The Perestroika Deception. By funding Euromaiden, placing Nazi's in control in Ukraine, it necessitated the moves by the Russians, it forced their hand. How innocuous.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Story

Since 1970, Story edited and published International Currency Review,[4] which has included the World Bank, the Federal Reserve, and the Bank of England amongst its subscribers.[5] Story became an economic adviser to Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher,[6] and in 1991, a year after her resignation, he published Soviet Analyst due to his continued scepticism about Mikhail Gorbachev, perestroika and the official version of events in the Soviet Union.[7] Soviet Analyst was a respected journal whose previous editors included Robert Conquest and Tibor Szamuely,[8]

In May 1992, Story was approached by KGB defector Anatoliy Golitsyn, who supported Story's analysis of the Soviet Union in Soviet Analyst. Golitsyn handed over to Story his memoranda to the CIA, which Story edited and published in 1995 as The Perestroika Deception. In an interview in 1995, Story said: "The purpose of perestroika has been to convince the gullible West that communism is dead, that the Soviet Union has collapsed."[9] Story said that he agreed with Golitsyn that "the Sino-Soviet split was a deception which masked the continuing collaboration between the Russians and China."[10]

Unfortunately, since he was assassinated, his site no longer exists, just bits and pieces archived here. Rumors abound on the internet that the final blog on the archive is a forgery by the CIA operative from a Knight of Malta who did the assassination. Who knows.

http://christopherstory.org/

What's the old saying? If something happens in politics, it isn't by accident.

 

[Alex1983]

Mr. Sasha White (a ukranian terrorist-maidown) dead

http://home.onego.ru/~stingray/Lenin.mp3

 

[kidrocks]

Suspended. Not thrown out.

Look Putin's got the jewel of the Ukraine. I don't think he cares. I don't think Russia cares.

And he's not going to give up that port to the EU and NATO. It was a nice try by the west to steal it via the coup but he did after all outsmart every one and now has Crimea.

Putin was kicked out on his ass and he cares deeply... believe me. Your comrade Putin wanted so much to host the G8 summit in Sochi to show off his crown jewel and now all he is holding is his dick in his hand. Waiting for Sarah Palin no doubt.

It's a great day for America!

Step away from the bong




G7 countries suspend their own membership in G8 - final statement

Since such a procedure does not exist, they had to announce the "suspension of their own participation" in the G8 in order to freeze this format.

This was announced in a statement issued after the informal meeting of the G7 in The Hague on Monday evening.


G7 countries suspend their own membership in G8 - final statement - News - World - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video

Boy, you just keep on parroting that Russian propaganda don't you? What a mouthpiece you turned out to be for Putin.

 

[tinydancer]

http://www.codewit.com/north-america/16844-russia-threatens-to-drop-the-dollar-and-crash-the-u-s-economy-if-sanctions-are-imposed-obama-signs-sanctions-anyway
Russia Threatens to Drop The Dollar and Crash The U.S. Economy if Sanctions Are Imposed - Obama Signs Sanctions Anyway

"We would find a way not just to reduce our dependency on the United States to zero but to emerge from those sanctions with great benefits for ourselves," said Glazyev.
"An attempt to announce sanctions would end in a crash for the financial system of the United States, which would cause the end of the domination of the United States in the global financial system"

That statement is startling by itself, but the true gravity of this situation is only evident when you consider it in context. China has taken Russia's side in the Ukraine conflict (they are after all allies) and China holds the lion's share of U.S. treasuries. If Russia puts out the call to drop the dollar China would have a choice: either hold on to those treasuries while the dollar slides (losing their shirt in the process) or join Russia and dump their holdings as well. It should be pretty obvious which way China would go.
Related: The Extreme Right Emerging as the Dominant Voice in Ukraine

The effects of a coordinated bond sell off by China and Russia would be earth shattering. This would be the financial equivalent of a nuclear bomb being dropped. It is no exaggeration to say that such a move would mark the end of an era.

In essence, no war is necessary.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9AMwWH-ZgM]The Day After The Dollar Collapses - YouTube[/ame]

The piece you quoted is so ignorant it is quite hilarious.
First of all Russia and China are not allies and the idea that Russia can force China to do anything is laughable.
Second, China pointedly did not support Russia over Ukraine. It is keeping itself out of this altogether.
Thirdly, the idea that China would agree to try to drive down the dollar by selling it's US treasuries is complete nonsense. This would mean China would make it's enormous reserves worthless and destroy it's exports to the US creating an enormous recession in China.

You fool. Putin just negotiated a $350 billion deal with China. You know, the second largest economy in the world.

And the EU and sadly all of us are going to pay far higher prices for energy because our asshole leaders had to run around chest thumping and acting like banty roosters instead of using diplomacy during this change in the Ukraine.

China already has agreed to buy more than $350 billion of Russian crude in coming years from the government of President Vladimir Putin. The ties are likely to deepen as the U.S. and Europe levy sanctions against Russia as punishment for the invasion of Ukraine.

Russian Oil Seen Heading East Not West in Crimea Spat - Bloomberg

 

[Synthaholic]

Putin has made himself a big fish in a small pond. He is more popular than ever at home, but has damaged his and Russia's credibility and trustworthiness around the world for a long time to come. Which countries have come to his defense?

He has also seriously damaged their economy, which will only get worse.

I'm so glad we finally have a smart president!

 

[kidrocks]

http://www.codewit.com/north-america/16844-russia-threatens-to-drop-the-dollar-and-crash-the-u-s-economy-if-sanctions-are-imposed-obama-signs-sanctions-anyway
Russia Threatens to Drop The Dollar and Crash The U.S. Economy if Sanctions Are Imposed - Obama Signs Sanctions Anyway


In essence, no war is necessary.

The Day After The Dollar Collapses - YouTube

The piece you quoted is so ignorant it is quite hilarious.
First of all Russia and China are not allies and the idea that Russia can force China to do anything is laughable.
Second, China pointedly did not support Russia over Ukraine. It is keeping itself out of this altogether.
Thirdly, the idea that China would agree to try to drive down the dollar by selling it's US treasuries is complete nonsense. This would mean China would make it's enormous reserves worthless and destroy it's exports to the US creating an enormous recession in China.

You fool. Putin just negotiated a $350 billion deal with China. You know, the second largest economy in the world.

And the EU and sadly all of us are going to pay far higher prices for energy because our asshole leaders had to run around chest thumping and acting like banty roosters instead of using diplomacy during this change in the Ukraine.

China already has agreed to buy more than $350 billion of Russian crude in coming years from the government of President Vladimir Putin. The ties are likely to deepen as the U.S. and Europe levy sanctions against Russia as punishment for the invasion of Ukraine.

Russian Oil Seen Heading East Not West in Crimea Spat - Bloomberg

Perfect! Let China become forever dependent on Russian crude. Putin is brilliant!

 

[tinydancer]

Putin was kicked out on his ass and he cares deeply... believe me. Your comrade Putin wanted so much to host the G8 summit in Sochi to show off his crown jewel and now all he is holding is his dick in his hand. Waiting for Sarah Palin no doubt.

It's a great day for America!

Step away from the bong




G7 countries suspend their own membership in G8 - final statement

Since such a procedure does not exist, they had to announce the "suspension of their own participation" in the G8 in order to freeze this format.

This was announced in a statement issued after the informal meeting of the G7 in The Hague on Monday evening.


G7 countries suspend their own membership in G8 - final statement - News - World - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video

Boy, you just keep on parroting that Russian propaganda don't you? What a mouthpiece you turned out to be for Putin.

What Russian propaganda? The truth is that it was a suspension.

Get a freaking grip. It's not my fault you went off half cocked yesterday believing I believe it was CNN and doing cartwheels that Putin was kicked out of the G8 which of course has turned out to be a massive lie.

Here's some Canadian propaganda for you. Note: suspended not kicked out.

Russia suspended from G8 over annexation of Crimea, Group of Seven nations says | National Post

 

[kidrocks]

Putin has made himself a big fish in a small pond. He is more popular than ever at home, but has damaged his and Russia's credibility and trustworthiness around the world for a long time to come. Which countries have come to his defense?

He has also seriously damaged their economy, which will only get worse.

I'm so glad we finally have a smart president!

Amen! And Europe's dependency on Russian gas will also get a make-over. Good things happen when the Russians get convicted of land-grabbing.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Go Kerry... kick Putin's ass all the way back to Siberia.






Kerry condemns Russia's 'act of aggression' | MSNBC

Kerry declared Putin will come out of this ordeal the loser. “He’s going to lose on the international stage, Russia is going to lose, the Russian people are going to lose, and he’s going to lose all of the glow that came out of the Olympics, his $60 billion extravaganza.”

Kerry really showed him!!

That'll put the fear of God in Putin!!



You stupid ass liberals are so gullible.

 

[B. Kidd]

http://www.codewit.com/north-america/16844-russia-threatens-to-drop-the-dollar-and-crash-the-u-s-economy-if-sanctions-are-imposed-obama-signs-sanctions-anyway
Russia Threatens to Drop The Dollar and Crash The U.S. Economy if Sanctions Are Imposed - Obama Signs Sanctions Anyway


In essence, no war is necessary.

The Day After The Dollar Collapses - YouTube

The piece you quoted is so ignorant it is quite hilarious.
First of all Russia and China are not allies and the idea that Russia can force China to do anything is laughable.
Second, China pointedly did not support Russia over Ukraine. It is keeping itself out of this altogether.
Thirdly, the idea that China would agree to try to drive down the dollar by selling it's US treasuries is complete nonsense. This would mean China would make it's enormous reserves worthless and destroy it's exports to the US creating an enormous recession in China.

You fool. Putin just negotiated a $350 billion deal with China. You know, the second largest economy in the world.

And the EU and sadly all of us are going to pay far higher prices for energy because our asshole leaders had to run around chest thumping and acting like banty roosters instead of using diplomacy during this change in the Ukraine.

China already has agreed to buy more than $350 billion of Russian crude in coming years from the government of President Vladimir Putin. The ties are likely to deepen as the U.S. and Europe levy sanctions against Russia as punishment for the invasion of Ukraine.

Russian Oil Seen Heading East Not West in Crimea Spat - Bloomberg

Also, India is ready to deal, too!
Putin has China and India.........what does Obie got?.........Brussels.

 

[kidrocks]

Step away from the bong




G7 countries suspend their own membership in G8 - final statement

Since such a procedure does not exist, they had to announce the "suspension of their own participation" in the G8 in order to freeze this format.

This was announced in a statement issued after the informal meeting of the G7 in The Hague on Monday evening.





G7 countries suspend their own membership in G8 - final statement - News - World - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video

Boy, you just keep on parroting that Russian propaganda don't you? What a mouthpiece you turned out to be for Putin.

What Russian propaganda? The truth is that it was a suspension.

Get a freaking grip. It's not my fault you went off half cocked yesterday believing I believe it was CNN and doing cartwheels that Putin was kicked out of the G8 which of course has turned out to be a massive lie.

Here's some Canadian propaganda for you. Note: suspended not kicked out.

Russia suspended from G8 over annexation of Crimea, Group of Seven nations says | National Post

Kicked out baby.... there's no going back for Putin, ever. And that's a good thing.

 

[tinydancer]

Putin has made himself a big fish in a small pond. He is more popular than ever at home, but has damaged his and Russia's credibility and trustworthiness around the world for a long time to come. Which countries have come to his defense?

He has also seriously damaged their economy, which will only get worse.

I'm so glad we finally have a smart president!

What damage to Russia's economy?



I just put up what they are calling the Holy Grail of all deals with China for $350 Billion. Now India is turning to Russian gas.

Oh and India has just signed a mega deal to by military equipment from Russia.

AND let's see. Russia kept their naval base from falling into the hands of the EU and NATO.

AND another biggie. Instead of US Exxon Mobile and UK Dutch Shell oil getting their hands on Crimea's large offshore oil deposits and gas, Gazprom is going to score them.

Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket. Putin's just whipped and beaten down. NOT.

 

[tinydancer]

Boy, you just keep on parroting that Russian propaganda don't you? What a mouthpiece you turned out to be for Putin.

What Russian propaganda? The truth is that it was a suspension.

Get a freaking grip. It's not my fault you went off half cocked yesterday believing I believe it was CNN and doing cartwheels that Putin was kicked out of the G8 which of course has turned out to be a massive lie.

Here's some Canadian propaganda for you. Note: suspended not kicked out.

Russia suspended from G8 over annexation of Crimea, Group of Seven nations says | National Post

Kicked out baby.... there's no going back for Putin, ever. And that's a good thing.

Now you are just reduced to blatantly lying. Poor dear.



Russia suspended from G8 over annexation of Crimea, Group of Seven nations says

Russia suspended from G8 over annexation of Crimea, Group of Seven nations says | National Post

 

[kidrocks]

Putin has made himself a big fish in a small pond. He is more popular than ever at home, but has damaged his and Russia's credibility and trustworthiness around the world for a long time to come. Which countries have come to his defense?

He has also seriously damaged their economy, which will only get worse.

I'm so glad we finally have a smart president!

What damage to Russia's economy?



I just put up what they are calling the Holy Grail of all deals with China for $350 Billion. Now India is turning to Russian gas.

Oh and India has just signed a mega deal to by military equipment from Russia.

AND let's see. Russia kept their naval base from falling into the hands of the EU and NATO.

AND another biggie. Instead of US Exxon Mobile and UK Dutch Shell oil getting their hands on Crimea's large offshore oil deposits and gas, Gazprom is going to score them.

Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket. Putin's just whipped and beaten down. NOT.

Good, let them idiots become dependent on KGB Putin, serves them well.

 

[bendog]

Russia is losing for capital faster than it gains, it's currency is falling, imports are fueling inflation, it's gnp is flat, and china is now looking at it like it might be the uncle who inappropriately touches pre-pubescent girls ......

No one's gonna kick him out of the Ukraine, but he had treaties giving him all the bases he needed. He gambled that world wouldn't mind if he reincorporated all territory that the Soviets ethnically cleansed. Nobody is going to go to war over it. But, Russia's economy is now inexorably tied to global markets, so ..... we'll see. His one weapon is selling carbon fuels below market prices ... which isn't really in his own econ interest.

 

[tinydancer]

Putin has made himself a big fish in a small pond. He is more popular than ever at home, but has damaged his and Russia's credibility and trustworthiness around the world for a long time to come. Which countries have come to his defense?

He has also seriously damaged their economy, which will only get worse.

I'm so glad we finally have a smart president!

What damage to Russia's economy?



I just put up what they are calling the Holy Grail of all deals with China for $350 Billion. Now India is turning to Russian gas.

Oh and India has just signed a mega deal to by military equipment from Russia.

AND let's see. Russia kept their naval base from falling into the hands of the EU and NATO.

AND another biggie. Instead of US Exxon Mobile and UK Dutch Shell oil getting their hands on Crimea's large offshore oil deposits and gas, Gazprom is going to score them.

Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket. Putin's just whipped and beaten down. NOT.

Good, let them idiots become dependent on KGB Putin, serves them well.

If I were you I would worry about losing trading partners.

I know I am really pissed off at my conservative Prime Minister who I have supported since his beginnings as the leader of my party for getting us into this pissing contest with Russia over the freaking EU.

My rant is very bi partisan.

Now we stand to lose business in both China and India just for starters. Lord only knows how much economic damage our leaders are permanently inflict on us.

All over the EU.

 

[Camp]

Russia is losing for capital faster than it gains, it's currency is falling, imports are fueling inflation, it's gnp is flat, and china is now looking at it like it might be the uncle who inappropriately touches pre-pubescent girls ......

No one's gonna kick him out of the Ukraine, but he had treaties giving him all the bases he needed. He gambled that world wouldn't mind if he reincorporated all territory that the Soviets ethnically cleansed. Nobody is going to go to war over it. But, Russia's economy is now inexorably tied to global markets, so ..... we'll see. His one weapon is selling carbon fuels below market prices ... which isn't really in his own econ interest.

Putin fan club falls for all the whistles and bells. The "deal" just signed was in reality signed last year and represents up to 25 years of future sales. Nothing new other than Russia made a delivery on the deal and they are publicizing the hell out of it. It's in the posters own link. Folks don't read them or make post hoping others won't read them.

 

[tinydancer]

Russia is losing for capital faster than it gains, it's currency is falling, imports are fueling inflation, it's gnp is flat, and china is now looking at it like it might be the uncle who inappropriately touches pre-pubescent girls ......

No one's gonna kick him out of the Ukraine, but he had treaties giving him all the bases he needed. He gambled that world wouldn't mind if he reincorporated all territory that the Soviets ethnically cleansed. Nobody is going to go to war over it. But, Russia's economy is now inexorably tied to global markets, so ..... we'll see. His one weapon is selling carbon fuels below market prices ... which isn't really in his own econ interest.

With all due respect, your post is full of shit that Russia will face economic hardships. At best a temporary dip in currency values.

You really need to go back and read about all the new deals Russia has been entering into.
Like a $350 Billion oil deal with China. Every one in business has nicknamed it the "Holy Grail" of oil deals.

Military equipment deals with India that are going to put a dent in your trade with India. No one is going to leave a mark on Russia.

But we'll be paying for our foolish leaders bullshit out of our pocket books. I've backed up all my data with links.

If you are interested in economic truths, I've put them up in this thread and others. Russia will be just fine.

China imported a record amount of Russian crude last month, 2.72 million metric tons, about a supertanker full every three days.

The total more than tripled in a decade, and Russia now represents 12 percent of China’s crude imports, customs data show, among the highest levels in the past seven years.

Russian Oil Seen Heading East Not West in Crimea Spat - Bloomberg