Koch: I'm Fighting to Restore a Free Society

[Uncensored2008]

Has anyone on the right stopped to consider that Charles Kock has a self-serving interest here? Just wondering.

Koch, comrade - his name is Koch.

And I am not a hypocrite, so I expect people to work for their own interests - unlike you leftists, I do not demand that others work for their own harm, while party members secretly manipulate events for their own gain.

The reason I ask is because Charles Kock is an extremely powerful man, both financially and politically, and his motivation may have more to do with the fact that he feels somewhat stymied by gov't representatives (who are elected by the people, by the way) when they refuse to summarily allow him to do whatever he wants as if his money and power was all the license he needed.

Here's a little historical fact for you which is true in any society. The rich and powerful routinely manipulate the levers of power to further their personal goals in order to enrich themselves further. That's just the way it is whether you live in a capitalistic society or some kind of a dictatorship. But in our representative form of gov't, we don't elect our officals to act as a rubber stamp for the rich and powerful although increasingly that's the way things seem to play out in the halls of power where campaign contributions of the wealthy routinely trump the public interest.

It seems to me that what Charles Kock wants is greater freedom for himself and his business interests to dictate to everyone else how things will be, and he sees representative gov't as an impediment to those goals. So, his ideas about freedom seem to be more about greater freedom for himself and less freedom for the rest of us if and when the his personal interests collide with the interests of others.

In Koch's view, regardles of how much wealth and power he has, he'll never have enough freedom in his eyes unless he's given a blank check.

The owner of the democratic party, George Soros, is he a "rich and powerful" man?

Why is the left so concerned about a person's motivation? Personally, I don't give a shit why anyone does what they do, so long as they do what I want them to do.

I don't care whether the butcher gets up at 6:00 AM to prepare the meat I buy. I don't care if he does it because he's trying to make the payments on his Mercedes or because he wants to bring the benefits of meat to all of humanity, so long as when I get to the grocery store there is meat in the cases in the butcher shop.

The beauty of capitalism is that it doesn't matter what a person's motivation is. The market ensures that consumers get what they want. Those who fail to provide what they want go out of business.

We all work for our own interests. It's just that some of us are honest, and some of us are democrats...

 

[HelenaHandbag]

Well, his motivation is to pay less in taxes so we have less medicare, Medicaid, pell grants, fed highway funds....

So I find his motivation illuminating.

What does your crystal ball say about the Powerball numbers for tonight's drawing?

 

[bendog]

Well, his motivation is to pay less in taxes so we have less medicare, Medicaid, pell grants, fed highway funds....

So I find his motivation illuminating.

What does your crystal ball say about the Powerball numbers for tonight's drawing?

you lose again

 

[PaintMyHouse]

We all work for our own interests. It's just that some of us are honest, and some of us are democrats...

Some of us can do more than focus on ourselves full-time,

 

[HelenaHandbag]

Well, his motivation is to pay less in taxes so we have less medicare, Medicaid, pell grants, fed highway funds....

So I find his motivation illuminating.

What does your crystal ball say about the Powerball numbers for tonight's drawing?

you lose again

I'm not the one sitting on a message board, pretending to see through it into the hearts and minds of people I don't know, champ.

 

[bendog]

What does your crystal ball say about the Powerball numbers for tonight's drawing?

you lose again

I'm not the one sitting on a message board, pretending to see through it into the hearts and minds of people I don't know, champ.

no, I'm pretty sure you're not gonna win the powerball, dear sweat lady.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Some of us can do more than focus on ourselves full-time,

At least some are willing to lie about it in hopes of gaining an edge....

 

[HelenaHandbag]

We all work for our own interests. It's just that some of us are honest, and some of us are democrats...

Some of us can do more than focus on ourselves full-time,

Who says working for one's own interests excludes focusing on people other than one's self?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Some of us can do more than focus on ourselves full-time,

At least some are willing to lie about it in hopes of gaining an edge....

What's the edge? It pays to be a selfish asshole, most of the time.

 

[boilermaker55]

Didn't we just see that with the Republican presidential hopefuls may be worried about how many millions casino billionaire Sheldon Adelson will give to their 2016 campaigns, but the money means little to the GOP super donor.
Attendees included heavy hitters like New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, Ohio Gov. John Kasich and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.

"It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners"
Albert Camus

Spreading "fundamental concepts of dignity, respect, equality before the law and personal freedom"...KOCH style...

ENVIRONMENTAL VIOLATIONS & POLLUTION

• In 2000, the Clinton administration leveled a 97-count indictment against Koch Industries for covering up the discharge of 91 tons of benzene, a carcinogen, from its refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas. The company was liable for $350 million in fines; 4 Koch employees faced up to 35 years in prison. “The Koch Petroleum Group eventually pleaded guilty to one criminal charge of covering up environmental violations, including the falsification of documents, and paid a twenty-million-dollar fine” (Jane Mayer, “Covert Operations”, The New Yorker, August 30, 2010).

• The federal government sued Koch in 1995 over a reported 300 oil spills at pipelines owned by the company, which dumped an estimated 3 million gallons of oil into lakes and streams in 6 states. In 2000, Koch settled the case and agreed to pay $30 million in civil penalties.

• “In 1999, a jury found Koch Industries guilty of negligence and malice in the deaths of two Texas teen-agers in an explosion that resulted from a leaky underground butane pipeline” (Mayer). See the National Transportation Safety Board’s report on the accident.

• A jury found Koch Industries guilty in 1999 of stealing millions of gallons of oil from public and Indian lands through fraudulent mismeasuring. This concluded a 20-year long legal battle between Charles and David Koch and their estranged brother, Bill Koch, who revealed the scheme and spearheaded the lawsuit. See the 60 Minutes story about the case.

• The University of Massachusetts at Amherst’s Political Economy Research Institute released a study this year that named Koch Industries one of the top ten air polluters in the United States.

Wbat does any of that have to do with equality before the law?
You should be on your knees offering to service both Koch brothers for all the good they've done for this country. If you lived a thousand years you wouldn't have achieved one millionth of what they have.

Oh fuck off rabbit.

Just because YOU get on your knees and service the Koch does not mean others want to do same. You just carry on Koch sucking.

 

[peach174]

Well, his motivation is to pay less in taxes so we have less medicare, Medicaid, pell grants, fed highway funds....

So I find his motivation illuminating.

I'm pretty sure that the Koch brothers have paid more in taxes last year alone, than you will ever make in your entire life time.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

We all work for our own interests. It's just that some of us are honest, and some of us are democrats...

Some of us can do more than focus on ourselves full-time,

Who says working for one's own interests excludes focusing on people other than one's self?

You did, and most here live that way, and believe it to be "moral".

 

[HelenaHandbag]

Some of us can do more than focus on ourselves full-time,

At least some are willing to lie about it in hopes of gaining an edge....

What's the edge? It pays to be a selfish asshole, most of the time.

Are you a multimillionaire?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Well, his motivation is to pay less in taxes so we have less medicare, Medicaid, pell grants, fed highway funds....

So I find his motivation illuminating.

I'm pretty sure that the Koch brothers have paid more in taxes last year alone, than you will ever make in your entire life time.

They should get more votes then eh?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

At least some are willing to lie about it in hopes of gaining an edge....

What's the edge? It pays to be a selfish asshole, most of the time.

Are you a multimillionaire?

Nope, but if I were as selfish an asshole as those here I would have been. Having morals gets in the way of making the big bucks.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

Some of us can do more than focus on ourselves full-time,

Who says working for one's own interests excludes focusing on people other than one's self?

You did, and most here live that way, and believe it to be "moral".

No, I didn't.

You really suck at mind reading. May I suggest a career in either the food service or landscaping industries?

 

[HelenaHandbag]

What's the edge? It pays to be a selfish asshole, most of the time.

Are you a multimillionaire?

Nope, but if I were as selfish an asshole as those here I would have been. Having morals gets in the way of making the big bucks.

Wow. Such a bitter little man.

No wonder you are a progressive kleptocrat.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Who says working for one's own interests excludes focusing on people other than one's self?

You did, and most here live that way, and believe it to be "moral".

No, I didn't.

You really suck at mind reading. May I suggest a career in either the food service or landscaping industries?

You did in that you posted it. Jesus would have agreed with that statement however.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Who says working for one's own interests excludes focusing on people other than one's self?

Usually, cooperation is in the best interests of all.

Leftists cannot grasp Adam Smith;

{But man has almost constant occasion for the help of his brethren, and it is in vain for him to expect it from their benevolence only. He will be more likely to prevail if he can interest their self-love in his favour, and show them that it is for their own advantage to do for him what he requires of them. Whoever offers to another a bargain of any kind, proposes to do this. Give me that which I want, and you shall have this which you want, is the meaning of every such offer; and it is in this manner that we obtain from one another the far greater part of those good offices which we stand in need of. It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages. Nobody but a beggar chuses to depend chiefly upon the benevolence of his fellow-citizens.}

 

[bendog]

Well, his motivation is to pay less in taxes so we have less medicare, Medicaid, pell grants, fed highway funds....

So I find his motivation illuminating.

I'm pretty sure that the Koch brothers have paid more in taxes last year alone, than you will ever make in your entire life time.

good. And I'm sure you'll be dining with them tonite.