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The "walls" were more like long hurdles to knock over or jump over to the Kaiju.I bet you didn't even like Pacific Rim.
Their walls didn't work did they?
A wall isn't the only answer for the immigration problem. That's the point. So the fallacy remains. It is not a clear relation of If not A then B. Take for example Fort Knox. They use ground vibration sensors outside of their fences. These would work great along the border because they would not only detect people trying to cross the border, but also would detect people trying to dig tunnels. Then drones could be used to find the people and follow them until border patrol agents caught up with them. All of which would be much cheaper than building a 2,000 mile long 50 foot wall.
The wall is the best answer to illegal immigration. that's the bottom line. For one thing, it can't be made to disappear at the stroke of a pen when a new administration comes in. Any other scheme can be abolished simply by failing to enforce it.
Fort Knox has a big fence around it and plenty of soldiers guarding it. Ground sensors are useless without a wall. Your plan would disappear the minute another Obama got into office. Furthermore, a wall would still be cheaper and more effective. Your plan requires a lot of manpower. The wall reduces the amount of manpower required. Over the long term, manpower is far more expensive than infrastructure.
Of course, we all understand that you really don't want the border to be enforced. You're an open borders douche bag, so all your "solutions" are disingenuous.
See what you do there? Because someone comes up with an alternate solution to your's, they don't believe in the same results and you attack them. Seriously, how can you expect anyone on this forum to take you seriously? You act like you have the social abilities of a 5 year old.
You have been an opponent of border enforcement and an amnesty supporter since you joined this forum. One thing I note is that all such douche bags oppose building the wall. It's obvious that you oppose the wall because you oppose effective enforcement of the border. Any claims that other methods are more effective is pure bullshit. Nothing would be more effective than a wall. That's why Israel and Saudi Arabia both built one.
Yeah, Fort Knox has a fence and soldiers, but do they have a 50 foot wall!?!? Nope... and it is one of the most secure places in the world. Do you think with a 50 foot wall all of a sudden there is no need for border patrol agents? Uhhh I hate to break it to you, but they aren't going to be laying any of those guys off. And your 50 foot wall? Yeah people will continue to dig tunnels under it. Hell, unless people continue to patroll it, people can cut holes through it, or even blast it down in sections. This wall isn't going to be built out of Vibranium... it's concrete.
Fort Knox is a small place within the confines of a military base swarming with soldiers, tanks and other means of defense. It doesn't need a 50 ft wall. However, our border is mostly in the middle of nowhere. A more substantial barrier is required because it will take manpower defending the wall more time to reach any attempted incursions. The wall will require less manpower than any other proposed solution that doesn't include it. That much is undeniable.
We already know the wall works because we have working examples of such a wall. Anyone attempting to make holes in the wall will be apprehended in short order. Any holes can be repaired quite cheaply. Tunnels can easily be detected.
The bottom line is that walls have worked for thousands of years. Anyone who claims they don't work is blowing hot gas out his ass.
I have been? Prove it. Show where I have said I am against border enforcement. You can't. What I've said however is that if there are people already here, that are contributing positively to society, working, paying taxes, and so forth... there is no reason to send them back now. Hell amount of money that will be spent on this new deportation squad, the deportation centers that will need to be built, and then the cost of sending them back will be astronomical. Sending back criminals and people that are here for the purpose of just collecting government funds on the other hand, I have no problem with.
In other words, you support amnesty. All illegals are criminals. They broke the law when they crossed our border without a visa. The cost of sending them back is far cheaper than all the welfare and government services they will consume over their life times.
It's funny how you Trump supporters were fine and dandy with accepting Trump's proposed wall when he said Mexico was going to pay for it. Now it has come out that Trump plans on using an existing law to build the wall and use tax payer money... and you are still fine with it. You got duped and you are in denial. Funny how you think that someone building a tunnel or making damage to the wall will be found in short order... it is a 2,000 mile wall.
Morons like you who oppose the wall like to pretend that no one will be watching it even though you also claim it will require thousands of people to man it. How will anyone get away with damaging the wall if there are guard towers every half mile? How will they tunnel under it when there will be all kinds of ground detectors watching for exactly such tunnelling?
Israel has built a wall, and it works marvelously. It has cut the incidence of suicide bombers to almost nothing. The empirical evidence shows that you are a douche bag who opposes effective enforcement of our border.
The "walls" were more like long hurdles to knock over or jump over to the Kaiju.I bet you didn't even like Pacific Rim.
Their walls didn't work did they?
I really hope you don't think Mexicans can break through concrete with their bare hands.
Tunnels take a lot longer to make than you think.The "walls" were more like long hurdles to knock over or jump over to the Kaiju.I bet you didn't even like Pacific Rim.
Their walls didn't work did they?
I really hope you don't think Mexicans can break through concrete with their bare hands.
They don't have to. They can use dynamite, or drills, or tunnels. Any person on this forum that thinks building a wall is going to stop tunnels is really off their rocker.
I still have a soft spot in my heart for Godzilla...It was a mech movie.It was rather cheesy...I bet you didn't even like Pacific Rim.
Mecha is pretty much just an Asian phenomenon.
The west is more in love with giant robots with actual AI.
Tunnels take a lot longer to make than you think.The "walls" were more like long hurdles to knock over or jump over to the Kaiju.I bet you didn't even like Pacific Rim.
Their walls didn't work did they?
I really hope you don't think Mexicans can break through concrete with their bare hands.
They don't have to. They can use dynamite, or drills, or tunnels. Any person on this forum that thinks building a wall is going to stop tunnels is really off their rocker.
Wow. I thought all this time that "the wall" would end up being more like a metaphor. We'll see if it actually comes together.
I guess we will see, but I have faith.
That is still far better than we have now.Tunnels take a lot longer to make than you think.The "walls" were more like long hurdles to knock over or jump over to the Kaiju.I bet you didn't even like Pacific Rim.
Their walls didn't work did they?
I really hope you don't think Mexicans can break through concrete with their bare hands.
They don't have to. They can use dynamite, or drills, or tunnels. Any person on this forum that thinks building a wall is going to stop tunnels is really off their rocker.
As long as drug cartels and gangs like MS 13 make money off of running drugs and human smuggling, those tunnels will continue to be built, and ways will be found around the wall.
You are shooting too low.Wow. I thought all this time that "the wall" would end up being more like a metaphor. We'll see if it actually comes together.
I guess we will see, but I have faith.
Have faith in a massive government spending project that won't actually accomplish anything? Yeah....I'll stick to having faith in things that are more believable. Like the Lions winning the Superbowl.
What a waste of resources. We're falling in education every single year and our healthcare system sucks, but hell, lets build a Soviet like wall. lol
Wrong, dumbass. Prior to building the wall, northern barbarians raided China every year. After they built the wall, they succeeded in penetrating it only every few hundred hears. Your belief that "success" equates to it never being penetrated is leftwing bullshit.The wall is the best answer to illegal immigration. that's the bottom line. For one thing, it can't be made to disappear at the stroke of a pen when a new administration comes in. Any other scheme can be abolished simply by failing to enforce it.
Fort Knox has a big fence around it and plenty of soldiers guarding it. Ground sensors are useless without a wall. Your plan would disappear the minute another Obama got into office. Furthermore, a wall would still be cheaper and more effective. Your plan requires a lot of manpower. The wall reduces the amount of manpower required. Over the long term, manpower is far more expensive than infrastructure.
Of course, we all understand that you really don't want the border to be enforced. You're an open borders douche bag, so all your "solutions" are disingenuous.
See what you do there? Because someone comes up with an alternate solution to your's, they don't believe in the same results and you attack them. Seriously, how can you expect anyone on this forum to take you seriously? You act like you have the social abilities of a 5 year old.
You have been an opponent of border enforcement and an amnesty supporter since you joined this forum. One thing I note is that all such douche bags oppose building the wall. It's obvious that you oppose the wall because you oppose effective enforcement of the border. Any claims that other methods are more effective is pure bullshit. Nothing would be more effective than a wall. That's why Israel and Saudi Arabia both built one.
Yeah, Fort Knox has a fence and soldiers, but do they have a 50 foot wall!?!? Nope... and it is one of the most secure places in the world. Do you think with a 50 foot wall all of a sudden there is no need for border patrol agents? Uhhh I hate to break it to you, but they aren't going to be laying any of those guys off. And your 50 foot wall? Yeah people will continue to dig tunnels under it. Hell, unless people continue to patroll it, people can cut holes through it, or even blast it down in sections. This wall isn't going to be built out of Vibranium... it's concrete.
Fort Knox is a small place within the confines of a military base swarming with soldiers, tanks and other means of defense. It doesn't need a 50 ft wall. However, our border is mostly in the middle of nowhere. A more substantial barrier is required because it will take manpower defending the wall more time to reach any attempted incursions. The wall will require less manpower than any other proposed solution that doesn't include it. That much is undeniable.
We already know the wall works because we have working examples of such a wall. Anyone attempting to make holes in the wall will be apprehended in short order. Any holes can be repaired quite cheaply. Tunnels can easily be detected.
The bottom line is that walls have worked for thousands of years. Anyone who claims they don't work is blowing hot gas out his ass.
I have been? Prove it. Show where I have said I am against border enforcement. You can't. What I've said however is that if there are people already here, that are contributing positively to society, working, paying taxes, and so forth... there is no reason to send them back now. Hell amount of money that will be spent on this new deportation squad, the deportation centers that will need to be built, and then the cost of sending them back will be astronomical. Sending back criminals and people that are here for the purpose of just collecting government funds on the other hand, I have no problem with.
In other words, you support amnesty. All illegals are criminals. They broke the law when they crossed our border without a visa. The cost of sending them back is far cheaper than all the welfare and government services they will consume over their life times.
It's funny how you Trump supporters were fine and dandy with accepting Trump's proposed wall when he said Mexico was going to pay for it. Now it has come out that Trump plans on using an existing law to build the wall and use tax payer money... and you are still fine with it. You got duped and you are in denial. Funny how you think that someone building a tunnel or making damage to the wall will be found in short order... it is a 2,000 mile wall.
Morons like you who oppose the wall like to pretend that no one will be watching it even though you also claim it will require thousands of people to man it. How will anyone get away with damaging the wall if there are guard towers every half mile? How will they tunnel under it when there will be all kinds of ground detectors watching for exactly such tunnelling?
Israel has built a wall, and it works marvelously. It has cut the incidence of suicide bombers to almost nothing. The empirical evidence shows that you are a douche bag who opposes effective enforcement of our border.
Funny, you said walls have been working for 1,000 of years, history disagrees with you.
Donald Trump's Great Wall — it didn't work for the Ming Dynasty either
It was in the news, it was right under the article with the headline,We already got the money from Mexico? Dang, why wasn't that in the news?
lol
Wrong, dumbass. Prior to building the wall, northern barbarians raided China every year. After they built the wall, they succeeded in penetrating it only every few hundred hears. Your belief that "success" equates to it never being penetrated is leftwing bullshit.See what you do there? Because someone comes up with an alternate solution to your's, they don't believe in the same results and you attack them. Seriously, how can you expect anyone on this forum to take you seriously? You act like you have the social abilities of a 5 year old.
You have been an opponent of border enforcement and an amnesty supporter since you joined this forum. One thing I note is that all such douche bags oppose building the wall. It's obvious that you oppose the wall because you oppose effective enforcement of the border. Any claims that other methods are more effective is pure bullshit. Nothing would be more effective than a wall. That's why Israel and Saudi Arabia both built one.
Yeah, Fort Knox has a fence and soldiers, but do they have a 50 foot wall!?!? Nope... and it is one of the most secure places in the world. Do you think with a 50 foot wall all of a sudden there is no need for border patrol agents? Uhhh I hate to break it to you, but they aren't going to be laying any of those guys off. And your 50 foot wall? Yeah people will continue to dig tunnels under it. Hell, unless people continue to patroll it, people can cut holes through it, or even blast it down in sections. This wall isn't going to be built out of Vibranium... it's concrete.
Fort Knox is a small place within the confines of a military base swarming with soldiers, tanks and other means of defense. It doesn't need a 50 ft wall. However, our border is mostly in the middle of nowhere. A more substantial barrier is required because it will take manpower defending the wall more time to reach any attempted incursions. The wall will require less manpower than any other proposed solution that doesn't include it. That much is undeniable.
We already know the wall works because we have working examples of such a wall. Anyone attempting to make holes in the wall will be apprehended in short order. Any holes can be repaired quite cheaply. Tunnels can easily be detected.
The bottom line is that walls have worked for thousands of years. Anyone who claims they don't work is blowing hot gas out his ass.
I have been? Prove it. Show where I have said I am against border enforcement. You can't. What I've said however is that if there are people already here, that are contributing positively to society, working, paying taxes, and so forth... there is no reason to send them back now. Hell amount of money that will be spent on this new deportation squad, the deportation centers that will need to be built, and then the cost of sending them back will be astronomical. Sending back criminals and people that are here for the purpose of just collecting government funds on the other hand, I have no problem with.
In other words, you support amnesty. All illegals are criminals. They broke the law when they crossed our border without a visa. The cost of sending them back is far cheaper than all the welfare and government services they will consume over their life times.
It's funny how you Trump supporters were fine and dandy with accepting Trump's proposed wall when he said Mexico was going to pay for it. Now it has come out that Trump plans on using an existing law to build the wall and use tax payer money... and you are still fine with it. You got duped and you are in denial. Funny how you think that someone building a tunnel or making damage to the wall will be found in short order... it is a 2,000 mile wall.
Morons like you who oppose the wall like to pretend that no one will be watching it even though you also claim it will require thousands of people to man it. How will anyone get away with damaging the wall if there are guard towers every half mile? How will they tunnel under it when there will be all kinds of ground detectors watching for exactly such tunnelling?
Israel has built a wall, and it works marvelously. It has cut the incidence of suicide bombers to almost nothing. The empirical evidence shows that you are a douche bag who opposes effective enforcement of our border.
Funny, you said walls have been working for 1,000 of years, history disagrees with you.
Donald Trump's Great Wall — it didn't work for the Ming Dynasty either
Civilization has been building walls for thousand years. Prior to the invention of gun powder, virtually every sizeable city in the world had a wall around it. Rome built a wall across it's border with Scotland. It also built several other walls. The empirical evidence shows that walls work. The fact is undeniable except by douche bag partisan morons like you who won't want to enforce our border.
This is all you need to see about the wall...
The West Bank wall is 440 miles, that's about a 5th of the size of the wall Trump is proposing. A guard tower every half mile!?!? Holy crappoloa. So 4,000 guard towers? I'm guessing manned by at least two people every 8 hours, so with three shifts, not to mention someone to cover days off, that's like 8 border patrol agents per tower. So... 4,000 towers times 8 agents, that's 32,000 border patrol agents making say, $50K a year. So on top of this wall you are proposing, you are talking about $1.6 BILLION dollars a year to man just the guard towers. Not to mention actual patrol agents that would have to check the wall for damages and possible tunnels. This of course also includes the border patrol agents still manning the gates.
Lew, you're a dingbat. The West Bank would might be 550 square miles, but the border with Israel may be 40 or 50.The West Bank wall is 440 miles, that's about a 5th of the size of the wall Trump is proposing. A guard tower every half mile!?!? Holy crappoloa. So 4,000 guard towers? I'm guessing manned by at least two people every 8 hours, so with three shifts, not to mention someone to cover days off, that's like 8 border patrol agents per tower. So... 4,000 towers times 8 agents, that's 32,000 border patrol agents making say, $50K a year. So on top of this wall you are proposing, you are talking about $1.6 BILLION dollars a year to man just the guard towers. Not to mention actual patrol agents that would have to check the wall for damages and possible tunnels. This of course also includes the border patrol agents still manning the gates.
