Let's raise the minimum wage! It's good for business, it's good for America!

[kaz]

In July it will it will be seven years since the federal minimum wage was raised so forgive if I don't think a bump up is a national disaster.

What does that have to do with what I said? But as to what you said, the people who do get fired are acceptable losses to benefit the people who were going to get the raises anyway?

How many people not losing their jobs over the wage requirements you're willing to dictate to them are acceptable you you?

First of most of what you just said blather that made no sense. Second I'm not suggesting a doubling of the minimum wage but a modest increase of it of 50 to 75 cents which I don't think will destroy businesses. Last this whole issue is a great example of what's wrong in the country today one side insisting the minimum wage has to doubled the other insisting it can't be raised at all and neither willing to consider there could be a middle ground.

Oh, there is a middle ground, but that's decided by the states which many pay over the federal minimum wage already.

Yes I'm aware some states do that some have economies that can handle that some don't which is why I would support a small increase in the federal minimum wage not the doubling of it as many want.

i'm in favor of no minimum wage. It's not governments place to tell businesses how much they should pay their employees.

Or to prevent citizens from taking jobs they want to take

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

yes! Lets make it 15 bucks per hour!

Why not $25?

Why not $25?

If you actually do the math, $23.50/hr is where minimum wage should be.

Minimum wage doesn't need to be raised.

Minimum wage doesn't need to be raised.

The state of the economy says differently.

Oh, wait, you;re blaming low GDP, etc. on the MW?

Please tell me you're joking.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Or how about going the completely opposite way and abandoning Marxism. It doesn't work...

we have never actually tried that, that isn't Marxism, either. A CEO's income or actor or a sports figure should be merit based, not handed out to them. I want a million dollars because I think I merit it? Nobody merits the income Apple execs, Hollywood Oscar winners or NFL quarterback earns. It's pure bullshit.

Most everybody is paid by how much they make for their employer.

If everybody tunes in to the television series Big Bang Theory, and the company is making 30 million a week off of the program, they pay their actors one million dollars an episode each. They couldn't pay that kind of money unless they were making that kind of money.

If a star baseball pitcher is drawing in crowds at the stadium and people tuning into the baseball game on television, the baseball team is making millions off of that pitcher, so they pay him X millions per year.

If a CEO is making 10 million a year, it's likely that his or her talents are bringing in the company twice or more that kind of money.

Socialism is not only a failure in society, it's a failure in business as well. Government should not run business--business should run business and government should run government.

Most everybody is paid by how much they make for their employer.

Really?

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So WTF does this chart prove?

Pretty much the opposite of what I quoted you saying.

No, all it showed was corporate profits increased while labor pay decreased. Profit could be attributed to many factors such as moving manufacturing overseas, automation, investments and so on.

Productivity has increased over the years, but that's not due to what man did, that's due to what machines did.

If you are a ditch digger and I pay you X amount of dollars per hour, it's because I can profit from your work. However, if I purchase a backhoe, I pay you to operate the backhoe. The backhoe is making me the money--not you. You are simply the operator of that backhoe.

More and more businesses are turning to automation. That's because machines don't go on strike or demand higher wages. You simply make the initial investment and provide maintenance and repair. You don't need to give your machines medical benefits. Your machine doesn't take vacations and holidays. Your machine runs 24/7 with no complaints. And if Democrats get their way with ridiculous increases in the minimum wage, your machines could care less.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

we have never actually tried that, that isn't Marxism, either. A CEO's income or actor or a sports figure should be merit based, not handed out to them. I want a million dollars because I think I merit it? Nobody merits the income Apple execs, Hollywood Oscar winners or NFL quarterback earns. It's pure bullshit.

Most everybody is paid by how much they make for their employer.

If everybody tunes in to the television series Big Bang Theory, and the company is making 30 million a week off of the program, they pay their actors one million dollars an episode each. They couldn't pay that kind of money unless they were making that kind of money.

If a star baseball pitcher is drawing in crowds at the stadium and people tuning into the baseball game on television, the baseball team is making millions off of that pitcher, so they pay him X millions per year.

If a CEO is making 10 million a year, it's likely that his or her talents are bringing in the company twice or more that kind of money.

Socialism is not only a failure in society, it's a failure in business as well. Government should not run business--business should run business and government should run government.

Most everybody is paid by how much they make for their employer.

Really?

View attachment 74255

So WTF does this chart prove?

Pretty much the opposite of what I quoted you saying.

No, all it showed was corporate profits increased while labor pay decreased. Profit could be attributed to many factors such as moving manufacturing overseas, automation, investments and so on.

Productivity has increased over the years, but that's not due to what man did, that's due to what machines did.

If you are a ditch digger and I pay you X amount of dollars per hour, it's because I can profit from your work. However, if I purchase a backhoe, I pay you to operate the backhoe. The backhoe is making me the money--not you. You are simply the operator of that backhoe.

More and more businesses are turning to automation. That's because machines don't go on strike or demand higher wages. You simply make the initial investment and provide maintenance and repair. You don't need to give your machines medical benefits. Your machine doesn't take vacations and holidays. Your machine runs 24/7 with no complaints. And if Democrats get their way with ridiculous increases in the minimum wage, your machines could care less.

Most everybody is paid by how much they make for their employer.

No, all it showed was corporate profits increased while labor pay decreased.

 

[Slyhunter]

Minimum wage should be linked to Cost of Living and adjusted accordingly.

If the wages of working people not making minimum wage not be adjusted to the cost of living, why should minimum wage?

minimum not average.

 

[Slyhunter]

If we do this, we need to immediately give everyone else a substantial raise as well.
The people who get screwed when a sudden high minimum wage is enacted, are people who have been in the workforce for years and who earn $20-$30 an hour.
If they do not also receive a large raise, inflation will have a big impact.
Of course if you do this, you'll be right back where you started.


Let's cut through the crap here and be honest. Burger flippers and many other no-skill low-skill entry jobs are NOT worth $15 bucks an hour !

These jobs were NEVER intended to be so-called "living wage" jobs.
The idea here is to enter the workforce, at a lower wage, then through your own choices, and hard work, you work your way up to jobs that pay more.

Let's be honest. If the only jobs these people can get is burger flippers is your argument that they don't deserve to be paid enough to afford rent and utilities?

Why would the only job a person could have is a burger flipper job? There are plenty of better paying jobs out there. You just have to put some effort into it.

I'm an Uber driver because even Pizza Hut turned me down for employment.
I'm an old COBOL programmer with Bi-Polar Disorder. I type 85 WPM but nobody cares. I've driven for Bank of America for 19 years but now that they take pics and email nobody cares about that either. They do care that I'm out of shape from driving for 19 years and weigh 300 pounds. But I guess homelessness will fix that, right.

 

[Slyhunter]

A fast-food manager is talking to his crew, six or seven people standing around him with brooms, spatulas etc.

He says:

"I have good news, and I have bad news.

"The good news is, the new Minimum Wage law says I have to pay you more.

"The bad news is, I can't afford that, so two of you are fired."

A fast-food manager is talking to his crew, six or seven people standing around him with brooms, spatulas etc.

He says:

"I have good news, and I have bad news.

"The good news is, the new Minimum Wage law says I have to pay you more.

"The bad news is, I can't afford that, so two of you are fired."

The lie being, 'I can't afford that.'

What lie is that? How do you know what anybody can afford?

Did you know that most small businesses fail within a certain amount of time? The first year or so, you lose money--hopefully to recoup that money the following year or two? You think we should make that even more likely with more government?

Here is what the owner of Subway Sandwich's said in an interview:

You're meeting with young entrepreneurs this evening. What's your impression of the climate for startups in 2013? Do think you could have started Subway today?

Well, if I had the same knowledge and resources I had back then, I don't think I would have been able to get through the maze that we have today. As a seventeen year old--a seventeen year-old with very little money--I would have been blocked. I'm pretty confident that the lag time to get open, the amount of costs to meet regulations, the rent I would have had to pay while I was burning up time...those things would have put me out of business.

Subway's Fred DeLuca: Nail the Basics, Then Expand

And in innercities, they can't afford even $7.25 an hour, which is why unemployment for teenagers is 50%. Now that's a national crisis, who needs a job to start life on the right foot more?

Then people will cry about automation taking those low paying jobs as if it weren't happening already.

When you force an expense on an employer, that employer has to take action needed to recoup that loss. It could be making employees pay more towards their healthcare plan, it could be increasing the price of your product, it could be cutting down on your workforce, it could be moving the jobs out of the country. But whatever it is, a business owner does what he or she has to do to stay alive.

I'm sure the left will have that covered. When you automate, the problem is you are greedy. They'll work racism in there somewhere too. They're a one trick pony

What happens when there are no jobs left for us to do?

 

[Slyhunter]

This has been a hot button issue this campaign season, with the Democrat morons salivating at the mouth at the votes they hope to buy with promises of a minimum wage increase. Is there actually support among the people for this, though?

I see I am the only one that voted for the donkey show!

Minimum wage should be on the state and local level and should have never been on the Federal Level.

Many will disagree with me but what it cost to live in California is not the same cost to live in Kentucky, the Dakota's or Texas, so leave it at the state level to raise it if needed...

Something I can agree with.

 

[Slyhunter]

There was a time when people bumped up their own wages without government. Why should government bump up anything? If you want a bump up, do it yourself.

Don't you like people like blackhawk who so freely are willing to decide what other people should spend on their employees and at what rate people who want to work will be denied jobs?

In July it will it will be seven years since the federal minimum wage was raised so forgive if I don't think a bump up is a national disaster.

What does that have to do with what I said? But as to what you said, the people who do get fired are acceptable losses to benefit the people who were going to get the raises anyway?

How many people not losing their jobs over the wage requirements you're willing to dictate to them are acceptable you you?

First of most of what you just said blather that made no sense. Second I'm not suggesting a doubling of the minimum wage but a modest increase of it of 50 to 75 cents which I don't think will destroy businesses. Last this whole issue is a great example of what's wrong in the country today one side insisting the minimum wage has to doubled the other insisting it can't be raised at all and neither willing to consider there could be a middle ground.

By what right do you intervene when an employer offers an employee a job? Why is your OK necessary?

And I'll dumb down the obvious point in my post for you. I'm not paying someone worth $5 an hour when I have to be forced by people like you to pay $10 an hour, I'll find someone worth $10. You just fucked the guy I was willing to hire for $5. How do you not get that?

The reality is you hire the best person for the job at the lowest cost it takes to get him. So that guy was fucked anyhow.

 

[kaz]

A fast-food manager is talking to his crew, six or seven people standing around him with brooms, spatulas etc.

He says:

"I have good news, and I have bad news.

"The good news is, the new Minimum Wage law says I have to pay you more.

"The bad news is, I can't afford that, so two of you are fired."

The lie being, 'I can't afford that.'

What lie is that? How do you know what anybody can afford?

Did you know that most small businesses fail within a certain amount of time? The first year or so, you lose money--hopefully to recoup that money the following year or two? You think we should make that even more likely with more government?

Here is what the owner of Subway Sandwich's said in an interview:

You're meeting with young entrepreneurs this evening. What's your impression of the climate for startups in 2013? Do think you could have started Subway today?

Well, if I had the same knowledge and resources I had back then, I don't think I would have been able to get through the maze that we have today. As a seventeen year old--a seventeen year-old with very little money--I would have been blocked. I'm pretty confident that the lag time to get open, the amount of costs to meet regulations, the rent I would have had to pay while I was burning up time...those things would have put me out of business.

Subway's Fred DeLuca: Nail the Basics, Then Expand

And in innercities, they can't afford even $7.25 an hour, which is why unemployment for teenagers is 50%. Now that's a national crisis, who needs a job to start life on the right foot more?

Then people will cry about automation taking those low paying jobs as if it weren't happening already.

When you force an expense on an employer, that employer has to take action needed to recoup that loss. It could be making employees pay more towards their healthcare plan, it could be increasing the price of your product, it could be cutting down on your workforce, it could be moving the jobs out of the country. But whatever it is, a business owner does what he or she has to do to stay alive.

I'm sure the left will have that covered. When you automate, the problem is you are greedy. They'll work racism in there somewhere too. They're a one trick pony

What happens when there are no jobs left for us to do?

I'm not sure the logical conclusion to that. I want free markets, when leftists end those, I'm supposed to do what with that they artificially drive me to take other actions. Are you saying I should capitulate now? Or what are you saying I should do?

 

[kaz]

Don't you like people like blackhawk who so freely are willing to decide what other people should spend on their employees and at what rate people who want to work will be denied jobs?

In July it will it will be seven years since the federal minimum wage was raised so forgive if I don't think a bump up is a national disaster.

What does that have to do with what I said? But as to what you said, the people who do get fired are acceptable losses to benefit the people who were going to get the raises anyway?

How many people not losing their jobs over the wage requirements you're willing to dictate to them are acceptable you you?

First of most of what you just said blather that made no sense. Second I'm not suggesting a doubling of the minimum wage but a modest increase of it of 50 to 75 cents which I don't think will destroy businesses. Last this whole issue is a great example of what's wrong in the country today one side insisting the minimum wage has to doubled the other insisting it can't be raised at all and neither willing to consider there could be a middle ground.

By what right do you intervene when an employer offers an employee a job? Why is your OK necessary?

And I'll dumb down the obvious point in my post for you. I'm not paying someone worth $5 an hour when I have to be forced by people like you to pay $10 an hour, I'll find someone worth $10. You just fucked the guy I was willing to hire for $5. How do you not get that?

The reality is you hire the best person for the job at the lowest cost it takes to get him. So that guy was fucked anyhow.

Really? I hire a guy at $5 which I'm willing to pay and is his skillset and he was willing to accept because he has no better offer. Wasn't it liberals who fucked him by taking away what he and I agreed was his economic value away? Isn't that an infringement on both his and my liberty? How is that my fault, I was willing to pay him what he was worth when no one else was willing to pay him more

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Don't you like people like blackhawk who so freely are willing to decide what other people should spend on their employees and at what rate people who want to work will be denied jobs?

In July it will it will be seven years since the federal minimum wage was raised so forgive if I don't think a bump up is a national disaster.

What does that have to do with what I said? But as to what you said, the people who do get fired are acceptable losses to benefit the people who were going to get the raises anyway?

How many people not losing their jobs over the wage requirements you're willing to dictate to them are acceptable you you?

First of most of what you just said blather that made no sense. Second I'm not suggesting a doubling of the minimum wage but a modest increase of it of 50 to 75 cents which I don't think will destroy businesses. Last this whole issue is a great example of what's wrong in the country today one side insisting the minimum wage has to doubled the other insisting it can't be raised at all and neither willing to consider there could be a middle ground.

By what right do you intervene when an employer offers an employee a job? Why is your OK necessary?

And I'll dumb down the obvious point in my post for you. I'm not paying someone worth $5 an hour when I have to be forced by people like you to pay $10 an hour, I'll find someone worth $10. You just fucked the guy I was willing to hire for $5. How do you not get that?

The reality is you hire the best person for the job at the lowest cost it takes to get him. So that guy was fucked anyhow.

How is he fucked? If he doesn't like the money offered, then go someplace where they offer more money. If nobody offers you more money, then you're not worth more money. That isn't the liability of the employer, it's the liability of the potential employee.

If you have to take a minimum wage job, then take one where you might learn a thing or two like operating an overhead crane, a tow motor, an electric pallet jack.........

 

[Slyhunter]

What lie is that? How do you know what anybody can afford?

Did you know that most small businesses fail within a certain amount of time? The first year or so, you lose money--hopefully to recoup that money the following year or two? You think we should make that even more likely with more government?

Here is what the owner of Subway Sandwich's said in an interview:

You're meeting with young entrepreneurs this evening. What's your impression of the climate for startups in 2013? Do think you could have started Subway today?

Well, if I had the same knowledge and resources I had back then, I don't think I would have been able to get through the maze that we have today. As a seventeen year old--a seventeen year-old with very little money--I would have been blocked. I'm pretty confident that the lag time to get open, the amount of costs to meet regulations, the rent I would have had to pay while I was burning up time...those things would have put me out of business.

Subway's Fred DeLuca: Nail the Basics, Then Expand

And in innercities, they can't afford even $7.25 an hour, which is why unemployment for teenagers is 50%. Now that's a national crisis, who needs a job to start life on the right foot more?

Then people will cry about automation taking those low paying jobs as if it weren't happening already.

When you force an expense on an employer, that employer has to take action needed to recoup that loss. It could be making employees pay more towards their healthcare plan, it could be increasing the price of your product, it could be cutting down on your workforce, it could be moving the jobs out of the country. But whatever it is, a business owner does what he or she has to do to stay alive.

I'm sure the left will have that covered. When you automate, the problem is you are greedy. They'll work racism in there somewhere too. They're a one trick pony

What happens when there are no jobs left for us to do?

I'm not sure the logical conclusion to that. I want free markets, when leftists end those, I'm supposed to do what with that they artificially drive me to take other actions. Are you saying I should capitulate now? Or what are you saying I should do?

When all the easy jobs are done by machine and all the other jobs require tech degrees or higher which the masses are either too poor or too stupid to get what are we going to do with them? What is your plan?

 

[kaz]

In July it will it will be seven years since the federal minimum wage was raised so forgive if I don't think a bump up is a national disaster.

What does that have to do with what I said? But as to what you said, the people who do get fired are acceptable losses to benefit the people who were going to get the raises anyway?

How many people not losing their jobs over the wage requirements you're willing to dictate to them are acceptable you you?

First of most of what you just said blather that made no sense. Second I'm not suggesting a doubling of the minimum wage but a modest increase of it of 50 to 75 cents which I don't think will destroy businesses. Last this whole issue is a great example of what's wrong in the country today one side insisting the minimum wage has to doubled the other insisting it can't be raised at all and neither willing to consider there could be a middle ground.

By what right do you intervene when an employer offers an employee a job? Why is your OK necessary?

And I'll dumb down the obvious point in my post for you. I'm not paying someone worth $5 an hour when I have to be forced by people like you to pay $10 an hour, I'll find someone worth $10. You just fucked the guy I was willing to hire for $5. How do you not get that?

The reality is you hire the best person for the job at the lowest cost it takes to get him. So that guy was fucked anyhow.

How is he fucked? If he doesn't like the money offered, then go someplace where they offer more money. If nobody offers you more money, then you're not worth more money. That isn't the liability of the employer, it's the liability of the potential employee.

If you have to take a minimum wage job, then take one where you might learn a thing or two like operating an overhead crane, a tow motor, an electric pallet jack.........

Liberals don't think people are smart enough to not take a job when they have a better offer

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

A fast-food manager is talking to his crew, six or seven people standing around him with brooms, spatulas etc.

He says:

"I have good news, and I have bad news.

"The good news is, the new Minimum Wage law says I have to pay you more.

"The bad news is, I can't afford that, so two of you are fired."

The lie being, 'I can't afford that.'

What lie is that? How do you know what anybody can afford?

Did you know that most small businesses fail within a certain amount of time? The first year or so, you lose money--hopefully to recoup that money the following year or two? You think we should make that even more likely with more government?

Here is what the owner of Subway Sandwich's said in an interview:

You're meeting with young entrepreneurs this evening. What's your impression of the climate for startups in 2013? Do think you could have started Subway today?

Well, if I had the same knowledge and resources I had back then, I don't think I would have been able to get through the maze that we have today. As a seventeen year old--a seventeen year-old with very little money--I would have been blocked. I'm pretty confident that the lag time to get open, the amount of costs to meet regulations, the rent I would have had to pay while I was burning up time...those things would have put me out of business.

Subway's Fred DeLuca: Nail the Basics, Then Expand

And in innercities, they can't afford even $7.25 an hour, which is why unemployment for teenagers is 50%. Now that's a national crisis, who needs a job to start life on the right foot more?

Then people will cry about automation taking those low paying jobs as if it weren't happening already.

When you force an expense on an employer, that employer has to take action needed to recoup that loss. It could be making employees pay more towards their healthcare plan, it could be increasing the price of your product, it could be cutting down on your workforce, it could be moving the jobs out of the country. But whatever it is, a business owner does what he or she has to do to stay alive.

I'm sure the left will have that covered. When you automate, the problem is you are greedy. They'll work racism in there somewhere too. They're a one trick pony

What happens when there are no jobs left for us to do?

What happens when there are no jobs left for us to do?

Great question. Then we are F'd. That's why it's important to keep some jobs at a reasonable pay where the investment in automation is too expensive.

The higher government forces wages to go, the more inviting automation becomes--especially if it's mass produced like the kiosks McDonald's has.

 

[kaz]

And in innercities, they can't afford even $7.25 an hour, which is why unemployment for teenagers is 50%. Now that's a national crisis, who needs a job to start life on the right foot more?

Then people will cry about automation taking those low paying jobs as if it weren't happening already.

When you force an expense on an employer, that employer has to take action needed to recoup that loss. It could be making employees pay more towards their healthcare plan, it could be increasing the price of your product, it could be cutting down on your workforce, it could be moving the jobs out of the country. But whatever it is, a business owner does what he or she has to do to stay alive.

I'm sure the left will have that covered. When you automate, the problem is you are greedy. They'll work racism in there somewhere too. They're a one trick pony

What happens when there are no jobs left for us to do?

I'm not sure the logical conclusion to that. I want free markets, when leftists end those, I'm supposed to do what with that they artificially drive me to take other actions. Are you saying I should capitulate now? Or what are you saying I should do?

When all the easy jobs are done by machine and all the other jobs require tech degrees or higher which the masses are either too poor or too stupid to get what are we going to do with them? What is your plan?

You're just repeating the same question I just answered. Can you read my post and respond to what I said? Is your standard really that I should pay a $5 value employee more because government wants me to when it's not in my interest because, you know, government wants me to?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If we do this, we need to immediately give everyone else a substantial raise as well.
The people who get screwed when a sudden high minimum wage is enacted, are people who have been in the workforce for years and who earn $20-$30 an hour.
If they do not also receive a large raise, inflation will have a big impact.
Of course if you do this, you'll be right back where you started.


Let's cut through the crap here and be honest. Burger flippers and many other no-skill low-skill entry jobs are NOT worth $15 bucks an hour !

These jobs were NEVER intended to be so-called "living wage" jobs.
The idea here is to enter the workforce, at a lower wage, then through your own choices, and hard work, you work your way up to jobs that pay more.

Let's be honest. If the only jobs these people can get is burger flippers is your argument that they don't deserve to be paid enough to afford rent and utilities?

Why would the only job a person could have is a burger flipper job? There are plenty of better paying jobs out there. You just have to put some effort into it.

I'm an Uber driver because even Pizza Hut turned me down for employment.
I'm an old COBOL programmer with Bi-Polar Disorder. I type 85 WPM but nobody cares. I've driven for Bank of America for 19 years but now that they take pics and email nobody cares about that either. They do care that I'm out of shape from driving for 19 years and weigh 300 pounds. But I guess homelessness will fix that, right.

So you're working. What's wrong with that? I hear Uber doesn't pay all that badly.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Most everybody is paid by how much they make for their employer.

If everybody tunes in to the television series Big Bang Theory, and the company is making 30 million a week off of the program, they pay their actors one million dollars an episode each. They couldn't pay that kind of money unless they were making that kind of money.

If a star baseball pitcher is drawing in crowds at the stadium and people tuning into the baseball game on television, the baseball team is making millions off of that pitcher, so they pay him X millions per year.

If a CEO is making 10 million a year, it's likely that his or her talents are bringing in the company twice or more that kind of money.

Socialism is not only a failure in society, it's a failure in business as well. Government should not run business--business should run business and government should run government.

Most everybody is paid by how much they make for their employer.

Really?

View attachment 74255

So WTF does this chart prove?

Pretty much the opposite of what I quoted you saying.

No, all it showed was corporate profits increased while labor pay decreased. Profit could be attributed to many factors such as moving manufacturing overseas, automation, investments and so on.

Productivity has increased over the years, but that's not due to what man did, that's due to what machines did.

If you are a ditch digger and I pay you X amount of dollars per hour, it's because I can profit from your work. However, if I purchase a backhoe, I pay you to operate the backhoe. The backhoe is making me the money--not you. You are simply the operator of that backhoe.

More and more businesses are turning to automation. That's because machines don't go on strike or demand higher wages. You simply make the initial investment and provide maintenance and repair. You don't need to give your machines medical benefits. Your machine doesn't take vacations and holidays. Your machine runs 24/7 with no complaints. And if Democrats get their way with ridiculous increases in the minimum wage, your machines could care less.

Most everybody is paid by how much they make for their employer.

No, all it showed was corporate profits increased while labor pay decreased.

Nice pick and choose over there.

 

[Slyhunter]

In July it will it will be seven years since the federal minimum wage was raised so forgive if I don't think a bump up is a national disaster.

What does that have to do with what I said? But as to what you said, the people who do get fired are acceptable losses to benefit the people who were going to get the raises anyway?

How many people not losing their jobs over the wage requirements you're willing to dictate to them are acceptable you you?

First of most of what you just said blather that made no sense. Second I'm not suggesting a doubling of the minimum wage but a modest increase of it of 50 to 75 cents which I don't think will destroy businesses. Last this whole issue is a great example of what's wrong in the country today one side insisting the minimum wage has to doubled the other insisting it can't be raised at all and neither willing to consider there could be a middle ground.

By what right do you intervene when an employer offers an employee a job? Why is your OK necessary?

And I'll dumb down the obvious point in my post for you. I'm not paying someone worth $5 an hour when I have to be forced by people like you to pay $10 an hour, I'll find someone worth $10. You just fucked the guy I was willing to hire for $5. How do you not get that?

The reality is you hire the best person for the job at the lowest cost it takes to get him. So that guy was fucked anyhow.

Really? I hire a guy at $5 which I'm willing to pay and is his skillset and he was willing to accept because he has no better offer. Wasn't it liberals who fucked him by taking away what he and I agreed was his economic value away? Isn't that an infringement on both his and my liberty? How is that my fault, I was willing to pay him what he was worth when no one else was willing to pay him more

Some would say you took advantage of him.

 

[kaz]

What does that have to do with what I said? But as to what you said, the people who do get fired are acceptable losses to benefit the people who were going to get the raises anyway?

How many people not losing their jobs over the wage requirements you're willing to dictate to them are acceptable you you?

First of most of what you just said blather that made no sense. Second I'm not suggesting a doubling of the minimum wage but a modest increase of it of 50 to 75 cents which I don't think will destroy businesses. Last this whole issue is a great example of what's wrong in the country today one side insisting the minimum wage has to doubled the other insisting it can't be raised at all and neither willing to consider there could be a middle ground.

By what right do you intervene when an employer offers an employee a job? Why is your OK necessary?

And I'll dumb down the obvious point in my post for you. I'm not paying someone worth $5 an hour when I have to be forced by people like you to pay $10 an hour, I'll find someone worth $10. You just fucked the guy I was willing to hire for $5. How do you not get that?

The reality is you hire the best person for the job at the lowest cost it takes to get him. So that guy was fucked anyhow.

Really? I hire a guy at $5 which I'm willing to pay and is his skillset and he was willing to accept because he has no better offer. Wasn't it liberals who fucked him by taking away what he and I agreed was his economic value away? Isn't that an infringement on both his and my liberty? How is that my fault, I was willing to pay him what he was worth when no one else was willing to pay him more

Some would say you took advantage of him.

Explain. If I am willing to pay someone $5 and he has no better opportunity because no one will pay him more, how did I take "advantage of him." I was willing to pay more than anyone else?