Let's unpack some of the right wing's delusion and dishonesty. Is universal healthcare socialism?

[Anathema]

That's where persuasive leadership comes in.

Exactly how does one persuade a group of people to slit their own wrists while sitting in a hot bath?

I’d love to see that sales pitch.

 

[Concerned American]

All the pseudocons have to do to defeat socialized medicine is show us something better.!

It is not the role or job of the Federal Government to ensure that anyone has any level of access to medical care. There is NO direct mandate or power provided to Congress or POTUS anywhere in the US Constitution to be involved in medical or health issues at all.

But they are, and that's the problem. If Republicans were really the party of limited government, and possessed any integrity or leadership, they'd make the case for health care deregulation and propose legislation to accomplish that. They don't even try.

Health care legislation was presented multiple times, by republicans during the last four years. Every time they introduced it, Piglosi and the democrats obstructed it.

The first two years of Trump's term, Republicans controlled Congress. Pelosi had no say in the matter. For all their bluster when campaigning, they made no serious attempt to repeal ACA, and offered no legislation to address the laws and policies that drive health care inflation.

The democrats have had the republicans under this BS investigation or that BS investigation since 2016. Your ignorance is showing.

 

[dblack]

That's where persuasive leadership comes in.

Exactly how does one persuade a group of people to slit their own wrists while sitting in a hot bath?

By explaining to them that intelligently deregulating health insurance is a better solution than a government takeover.

 

[dblack]

All the pseudocons have to do to defeat socialized medicine is show us something better.!

It is not the role or job of the Federal Government to ensure that anyone has any level of access to medical care. There is NO direct mandate or power provided to Congress or POTUS anywhere in the US Constitution to be involved in medical or health issues at all.

But they are, and that's the problem. If Republicans were really the party of limited government, and possessed any integrity or leadership, they'd make the case for health care deregulation and propose legislation to accomplish that. They don't even try.

Health care legislation was presented multiple times, by republicans during the last four years. Every time they introduced it, Piglosi and the democrats obstructed it.

The first two years of Trump's term, Republicans controlled Congress. Pelosi had no say in the matter. For all their bluster when campaigning, they made no serious attempt to repeal ACA, and offered no legislation to address the laws and policies that drive health care inflation.

The democrats have had the republicans under this BS investigation or that BS investigation since 2016. Your ignorance is showing.

WTF? What are you even talking about?

 

[Indeependent]

Your turn at bat.

You ignored the point made in the OP. Address that and I'll address your deflection.

You cannot ignore, even as you try to, the social structure of a nation when discussing a social program.
A society based on common levels of success and ancestry cannot be compared to the US.

Indeed. It takes more than the argument in the OP to compare the US. Way to many factors to discuss.
Its intellectually dishonest. Well done.

The OP had no argument.

 

[Concerned American]

All the pseudocons have to do to defeat socialized medicine is show us something better.!

It is not the role or job of the Federal Government to ensure that anyone has any level of access to medical care. There is NO direct mandate or power provided to Congress or POTUS anywhere in the US Constitution to be involved in medical or health issues at all.

But they are, and that's the problem. If Republicans were really the party of limited government, and possessed any integrity or leadership, they'd make the case for health care deregulation and propose legislation to accomplish that. They don't even try.

Health care legislation was presented multiple times, by republicans during the last four years. Every time they introduced it, Piglosi and the democrats obstructed it.

The first two years of Trump's term, Republicans controlled Congress. Pelosi had no say in the matter. For all their bluster when campaigning, they made no serious attempt to repeal ACA, and offered no legislation to address the laws and policies that drive health care inflation.

The democrats have had the republicans under this BS investigation or that BS investigation since 2016. Your ignorance is showing.

WTF? What are you even talking about?

Where have you been. Please try to keep up.

 

[dblack]

All the pseudocons have to do to defeat socialized medicine is show us something better.!

It is not the role or job of the Federal Government to ensure that anyone has any level of access to medical care. There is NO direct mandate or power provided to Congress or POTUS anywhere in the US Constitution to be involved in medical or health issues at all.

But they are, and that's the problem. If Republicans were really the party of limited government, and possessed any integrity or leadership, they'd make the case for health care deregulation and propose legislation to accomplish that. They don't even try.

Health care legislation was presented multiple times, by republicans during the last four years. Every time they introduced it, Piglosi and the democrats obstructed it.

The first two years of Trump's term, Republicans controlled Congress. Pelosi had no say in the matter. For all their bluster when campaigning, they made no serious attempt to repeal ACA, and offered no legislation to address the laws and policies that drive health care inflation.

The democrats have had the republicans under this BS investigation or that BS investigation since 2016. Your ignorance is showing.

WTF? What are you even talking about?

Where have you been. Please try to keep up.

I can't follow your insane rambling.

 

[Indeependent]

All the pseudocons have to do to defeat socialized medicine is show us something better.!

It is not the role or job of the Federal Government to ensure that anyone has any level of access to medical care. There is NO direct mandate or power provided to Congress or POTUS anywhere in the US Constitution to be involved in medical or health issues at all.

But they are, and that's the problem. If Republicans were really the party of limited government, and possessed any integrity or leadership, they'd make the case for health care deregulation and propose legislation to accomplish that. They don't even try.

Health care legislation was presented multiple times, by republicans during the last four years. Every time they introduced it, Piglosi and the democrats obstructed it.

The first two years of Trump's term, Republicans controlled Congress. Pelosi had no say in the matter. For all their bluster when campaigning, they made no serious attempt to repeal ACA, and offered no legislation to address the laws and policies that drive health care inflation.

The democrats have had the republicans under this BS investigation or that BS investigation since 2016. Your ignorance is showing.

WTF? What are you even talking about?

Where have you been. Please try to keep up.

D'Black is a Libertarian who believes you should build your own infrastructure; he's your basic idiot.

 

[Concerned American]

All the pseudocons have to do to defeat socialized medicine is show us something better.!

It is not the role or job of the Federal Government to ensure that anyone has any level of access to medical care. There is NO direct mandate or power provided to Congress or POTUS anywhere in the US Constitution to be involved in medical or health issues at all.

But they are, and that's the problem. If Republicans were really the party of limited government, and possessed any integrity or leadership, they'd make the case for health care deregulation and propose legislation to accomplish that. They don't even try.

Health care legislation was presented multiple times, by republicans during the last four years. Every time they introduced it, Piglosi and the democrats obstructed it.

The first two years of Trump's term, Republicans controlled Congress. Pelosi had no say in the matter. For all their bluster when campaigning, they made no serious attempt to repeal ACA, and offered no legislation to address the laws and policies that drive health care inflation.

The democrats have had the republicans under this BS investigation or that BS investigation since 2016. Your ignorance is showing.

WTF? What are you even talking about?

Where have you been. Please try to keep up.

I can't follow your insane rambling.

Do me a favor, look on my profile, there's an "ignore" button, click on it.

 

[Anathema]

By explaining to them that intelligently deregulating health insurance is a better solution than a government takeover.

You and I both know that would be a blatant falsehood FOR THEM. It would be far better for the country, the government, and the productive members of our society.

Unfortunately, most of these folks do not meet that last criteria. Without the government handouts, a large portion of these people would have nothing, because they don’t do anything.

My wife’s family is a perfect example of this. Almost every member of her family is taking Government Cheese. Even the few who work are getting some sort of assistance. They make no attempt to better themselves or get off the dole. They simply accept that they are entitled to these things because something unpleasant happened to them at some point in time. Even though they were mostly responsible for those bad things.

 

[Leo123]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

Funny though, people from there come here for the best health care. Also, last time I checked, most medical specialists come from Asia, East India, etc. They come here and then never leave to go back to their country with 'better' health care and other stuff.

 

[dblack]

All the pseudocons have to do to defeat socialized medicine is show us something better.!

It is not the role or job of the Federal Government to ensure that anyone has any level of access to medical care. There is NO direct mandate or power provided to Congress or POTUS anywhere in the US Constitution to be involved in medical or health issues at all.

But they are, and that's the problem. If Republicans were really the party of limited government, and possessed any integrity or leadership, they'd make the case for health care deregulation and propose legislation to accomplish that. They don't even try.

Health care legislation was presented multiple times, by republicans during the last four years. Every time they introduced it, Piglosi and the democrats obstructed it.

The first two years of Trump's term, Republicans controlled Congress. Pelosi had no say in the matter. For all their bluster when campaigning, they made no serious attempt to repeal ACA, and offered no legislation to address the laws and policies that drive health care inflation.

The democrats have had the republicans under this BS investigation or that BS investigation since 2016. Your ignorance is showing.

WTF? What are you even talking about?

Where have you been. Please try to keep up.

I can't follow your insane rambling.

Do me a favor, look on my profile, there's an "ignore" button, click on it.

I don't bother with that. I can ignore you without a button.

 

[Lesh]

1. The Russians hacked the 2016 election

2. Trump's people (if not Trump himself) knew in real time that this was happening

3. Republicans ran up the deficit like no one in history with their tax cut/ spending

4. The virus is not a hoax

5. Trump knew it was real and it was deadly

6. Trump lied about the virus...and still is

7. Hydroxychloroquine is NOT a real treatment for the virus

8.Trump lost the election.

9. There was no measurable election fraud

10. The Russians are engaging in a MASSIVE hack of our government and pubic utilities infrastructure (to include nuclear programs)

11. Trump still refuses to acknowledge that his buddy Putin is doing this

These are facts and truths

I repeat

 

[danielpalos]

Your turn at bat.

You ignored the point made in the OP. Address that and I'll address your deflection.

You cannot ignore, even as you try to, the social structure of a nation when discussing a social program.
A society based on common levels of success and ancestry cannot be compared to the US.

It is about economic efficiency regardless of the mix of capitalism to socialism. We know Government must accomplish some tasks. Doing it more efficiently is what we should be doing.

Whoever manages our economy will do it inefficiently, including you.
The next thing you will tell us is that you are an engineer.

I believe in automatic stabilizers and a multiplier effect; objective "market based" metrics.

 

[Indeependent]

Your turn at bat.

You ignored the point made in the OP. Address that and I'll address your deflection.

You cannot ignore, even as you try to, the social structure of a nation when discussing a social program.
A society based on common levels of success and ancestry cannot be compared to the US.

It is about economic efficiency regardless of the mix of capitalism to socialism. We know Government must accomplish some tasks. Doing it more efficiently is what we should be doing.

Whoever manages our economy will do it inefficiently, including you.
The next thing you will tell us is that you are an engineer.

I believe in automatic stabilizers and a multiplier effect; objective "market based" metrics.

Good luck finding such.
You probably believe that someone who goes to medical school and more years of training should earn what a refuse collector earns.

 

[Anomalism]

Funny though, people from there come here for the best health care. Also, last time I checked, most medical specialists come from Asia, East India, etc. They come here and then never leave to go back to their country with 'better' health care and other stuff.

The U.S only has the best healthcare in the world if you're rich.

 

[Leo123]

You and I both know that would be a blatant falsehood FOR THEM. It would be far better for the country, the government, and the productive members of our society.

Unfortunately, most of these folks do not meet that last criteria. Without the government handouts, a large portion of these people would have nothing, because they don’t do anything.

My wife’s family is a perfect example of this. Almost every member of her family is taking Government Cheese. Even the few who work are getting some sort of assistance. They make no attempt to better themselves or get off the dole. They simply accept that they are entitled to these things because something unpleasant happened to them at some point in time. Even though they were mostly responsible for those bad things.

he U.S only has the best healthcare in the world if you're rich.

If you live in America you are rich compared to most people from other countries. That's why they come here in the first place. Even on welfare you get better healthcare in America than most other countries. You seem to lack perspective.

 

[dblack]

By explaining to them that intelligently deregulating health insurance is a better solution than a government takeover.

You and I both know that would be a blatant falsehood FOR THEM. It would be far better for the country, the government, and the productive members of our society.

Unfortunately, most of these folks do not meet that last criteria. Without the government handouts, a large portion of these people would have nothing, because they don’t do anything.

My wife’s family is a perfect example of this. Almost every member of her family is taking Government Cheese. Even the few who work are getting some sort of assistance. They make no attempt to better themselves or get off the dole. They simply accept that they are entitled to these things because something unpleasant happened to them at some point in time. Even though they were mostly responsible for those bad things.

I'm not talking about dismantling the welfare state. Just getting rid of the policies and regulations that contribute to higher health care prices. First and foremost we should remove the tax exemption for employee "benefits".

 

[Anomalism]

If you live in America you are rich compared to most people from other countries. That's why they come here in the first place. Even on welfare you get better healthcare in America than most other countries. You seem to lack perspective.

There are millions of Americans that lack insurance and can't afford to see a doctor regularly. You are the one that lacks perspective.

 

[Leo123]

There are millions of Americans that lack insurance and can't afford to see a doctor regularly. You are the one that lacks perspective.

There are hundreds of millions more that don't need to see a doctor regularly and can go to the millions of very affordable walk in clinics when they need care for emergent adverse health situations. Those who are handicapped and/or indigent can go to public healthcare facilities funded by welfare. In America, there is opportunity for everyone which includes the opportunity to access a wide variety of health care options which, in turn, affords one the opportunity of getting better healthcare than most socialist countries which would be the level you get on welfare in the U.S. Unless, of course, you are a socialist-country bureaucrat in that socialist country.