Liberals, what has Trump lied about?

[Faun]

One of liberals favorite things to say about Trump is that all he does is lie. He lies, his administration lies, and then he lies some more. Lies, lies, lies.

If you're old enough to remember the Bush years, liberals pretty much said the same thing about him. Everything he ever uttered was a LIE.

Quick question: why doesn't anyone ever go into all the "lies" Trump tells? I know there are lists out there that say stuff like "Trump has told 3,081 lies since he took office", but I can tell you now that's bullshit. If you bean count every inaccurate statement he or someone in his administration makes, you may be able to find a myriad of untruths, but 1) that's petty, 2) that's "cheating" (I'll explain in a second), and 3) those aren't necessarily lies.

Let's be clear about a lie is, because words have meaning. A lie is when you knowingly state a falsehood as a statement of fact. A lie isn't simply when you get something wrong or when you're mistaken about something or even when you're wrong about something you "should" know.

It's cute for news organizations to act as though they're keeping Trump honest by pointing out his lies. In theory, that's what the Fourth Estate is for: keeping honest those in power. But they know, like we know, like Trump knows, most people aren't hanging on to every word or assertion he makes and then filing away whether it was factually correct or not.

One could argue that the truth always matters, but it's not always relevant. People care whether Trump intends on trying to build a wall; they don't care about whether Trump was right when he said Washington Post journalists want to strike unless Jeff Bezos pays them more.

It's easy to ding Trump and his administration for lies when they often have to address questions off the cuff or before all the facts are known, while reporters can sit around and Google and "fact-check" all day and score points that way. And I think the media is making the same mistake they've always made with Trump: they don't take him seriously, but insist on taking him literally. Because why would Trump say one thing to the press on Tuesday, and say the exact opposite on Wednesday? Like, on a habitual basis? Either he's trolling, he speaks off the cuff about subjects he hasn't really thought through, or people looking to catch him in a lie are trying to find an inconsistency where there really is none.

Liberals, tell me some important Trump "lies". And fair warning: I'm thorough. So if you think you're going to go copypasta some list you found on fuckdrumpf.com and think I'm not going to fact-check it or call you out when it's bullshit, think again.

A lie to Democrats is anything a Republican says.

Democrats feel they aren't lying when they say something that know isn't true.

It's just a mistake.

"I know more about ISIS than the generals"

"We already started on The Wall"

"Democrats want an open border"

Every action and inaction from the Democrats is they want open borders. Democrats lose their shit when current immigration law is enforced.

No one ever said they were for open borders. You assholes lie worse than Trump.

You want to spend 20 billion for a wall that does not cover the entire border. How much will that decrease illegal immigration? Any estimates?

I was referring to actions and inactions of liberals. They obstruct enforcement of immigration law. That action alone indicates support for open borders.

Well how else are we gonna get millions of illegal aliens voting if we don’t let ‘em in?

 

[Thinker101]

One of liberals favorite things to say about Trump is that all he does is lie. He lies, his administration lies, and then he lies some more. Lies, lies, lies.

If you're old enough to remember the Bush years, liberals pretty much said the same thing about him. Everything he ever uttered was a LIE.

Quick question: why doesn't anyone ever go into all the "lies" Trump tells? I know there are lists out there that say stuff like "Trump has told 3,081 lies since he took office", but I can tell you now that's bullshit. If you bean count every inaccurate statement he or someone in his administration makes, you may be able to find a myriad of untruths, but 1) that's petty, 2) that's "cheating" (I'll explain in a second), and 3) those aren't necessarily lies.

Let's be clear about a lie is, because words have meaning. A lie is when you knowingly state a falsehood as a statement of fact. A lie isn't simply when you get something wrong or when you're mistaken about something or even when you're wrong about something you "should" know.

It's cute for news organizations to act as though they're keeping Trump honest by pointing out his lies. In theory, that's what the Fourth Estate is for: keeping honest those in power. But they know, like we know, like Trump knows, most people aren't hanging on to every word or assertion he makes and then filing away whether it was factually correct or not.

One could argue that the truth always matters, but it's not always relevant. People care whether Trump intends on trying to build a wall; they don't care about whether Trump was right when he said Washington Post journalists want to strike unless Jeff Bezos pays them more.

It's easy to ding Trump and his administration for lies when they often have to address questions off the cuff or before all the facts are known, while reporters can sit around and Google and "fact-check" all day and score points that way. And I think the media is making the same mistake they've always made with Trump: they don't take him seriously, but insist on taking him literally. Because why would Trump say one thing to the press on Tuesday, and say the exact opposite on Wednesday? Like, on a habitual basis? Either he's trolling, he speaks off the cuff about subjects he hasn't really thought through, or people looking to catch him in a lie are trying to find an inconsistency where there really is none.

Liberals, tell me some important Trump "lies". And fair warning: I'm thorough. So if you think you're going to go copypasta some list you found on fuckdrumpf.com and think I'm not going to fact-check it or call you out when it's bullshit, think again.

A lie to Democrats is anything a Republican says.

Democrats feel they aren't lying when they say something that know isn't true.

It's just a mistake.

"I know more about ISIS than the generals"

"We already started on The Wall"

"Democrats want an open border"

Every action and inaction from the Democrats is they want open borders. Democrats lose their shit when current immigration law is enforced.

No one ever said they were for open borders. You assholes lie worse than Trump.

You want to spend 20 billion for a wall that does not cover the entire border. How much will that decrease illegal immigration? Any estimates?

I was referring to actions and inactions of liberals. They obstruct enforcement of immigration law. That action alone indicates support for open borders.

Well how else are we gonna get millions of illegal aliens voting if we don’t let ‘em in?

I dunno, there will be a lot of idiot liberals that will be upset you let that one slip out.

 

[Faun]

One of liberals favorite things to say about Trump is that all he does is lie. He lies, his administration lies, and then he lies some more. Lies, lies, lies.

If you're old enough to remember the Bush years, liberals pretty much said the same thing about him. Everything he ever uttered was a LIE.

Quick question: why doesn't anyone ever go into all the "lies" Trump tells? I know there are lists out there that say stuff like "Trump has told 3,081 lies since he took office", but I can tell you now that's bullshit. If you bean count every inaccurate statement he or someone in his administration makes, you may be able to find a myriad of untruths, but 1) that's petty, 2) that's "cheating" (I'll explain in a second), and 3) those aren't necessarily lies.

Let's be clear about a lie is, because words have meaning. A lie is when you knowingly state a falsehood as a statement of fact. A lie isn't simply when you get something wrong or when you're mistaken about something or even when you're wrong about something you "should" know.

It's cute for news organizations to act as though they're keeping Trump honest by pointing out his lies. In theory, that's what the Fourth Estate is for: keeping honest those in power. But they know, like we know, like Trump knows, most people aren't hanging on to every word or assertion he makes and then filing away whether it was factually correct or not.

One could argue that the truth always matters, but it's not always relevant. People care whether Trump intends on trying to build a wall; they don't care about whether Trump was right when he said Washington Post journalists want to strike unless Jeff Bezos pays them more.

It's easy to ding Trump and his administration for lies when they often have to address questions off the cuff or before all the facts are known, while reporters can sit around and Google and "fact-check" all day and score points that way. And I think the media is making the same mistake they've always made with Trump: they don't take him seriously, but insist on taking him literally. Because why would Trump say one thing to the press on Tuesday, and say the exact opposite on Wednesday? Like, on a habitual basis? Either he's trolling, he speaks off the cuff about subjects he hasn't really thought through, or people looking to catch him in a lie are trying to find an inconsistency where there really is none.

Liberals, tell me some important Trump "lies". And fair warning: I'm thorough. So if you think you're going to go copypasta some list you found on fuckdrumpf.com and think I'm not going to fact-check it or call you out when it's bullshit, think again.

A lie to Democrats is anything a Republican says.

Democrats feel they aren't lying when they say something that know isn't true.

It's just a mistake.

"I know more about ISIS than the generals"

"We already started on The Wall"

"Democrats want an open border"

Every action and inaction from the Democrats is they want open borders. Democrats lose their shit when current immigration law is enforced.

No one ever said they were for open borders. You assholes lie worse than Trump.

You want to spend 20 billion for a wall that does not cover the entire border. How much will that decrease illegal immigration? Any estimates?

I was referring to actions and inactions of liberals. They obstruct enforcement of immigration law. That action alone indicates support for open borders.

Well how else are we gonna get millions of illegal aliens voting if we don’t let ‘em in?

I dunno, there will be a lot of idiot liberals that will be upset you let that one slip out.

Nah, that’s not a slip — this is....

We register them as Democrats and hand them ObamaPhones as they cross over.

 

[RealDave]

A lie to Democrats is anything a Republican says.

Democrats feel they aren't lying when they say something that know isn't true.

It's just a mistake.

Every action and inaction from the Democrats is they want open borders. Democrats lose their shit when current immigration law is enforced.

No one ever said they were for open borders. You assholes lie worse than Trump.

You want to spend 20 billion for a wall that does not cover the entire border. How much will that decrease illegal immigration? Any estimates?

I was referring to actions and inactions of liberals. They obstruct enforcement of immigration law. That action alone indicates support for open borders.

Well how else are we gonna get millions of illegal aliens voting if we don’t let ‘em in?

I dunno, there will be a lot of idiot liberals that will be upset you let that one slip out.

Nah, that’s not a slip — this is....

We register them as Democrats and hand them ObamaPhones as they cross over.

Illegal Aliens do not vote,. More lies from the dumbass Trumpettes.

 

[Thinker101]

No one ever said they were for open borders. You assholes lie worse than Trump.

You want to spend 20 billion for a wall that does not cover the entire border. How much will that decrease illegal immigration? Any estimates?

I was referring to actions and inactions of liberals. They obstruct enforcement of immigration law. That action alone indicates support for open borders.

Well how else are we gonna get millions of illegal aliens voting if we don’t let ‘em in?

I dunno, there will be a lot of idiot liberals that will be upset you let that one slip out.

Nah, that’s not a slip — this is....

We register them as Democrats and hand them ObamaPhones as they cross over.

Illegal Aliens do not vote,. More lies from the dumbass Trumpettes.

What!? The media lies?
Jerry Brown Signs Automatic Voter Registration In California | HuffPost

California Law Will Automatically Register Drivers to Vote

 

[theHawk]

Where is the check from Mexico to pay for the wall?

President Trump always said that Mexico will help pay for the wall *OR* there will be repercussions like tariffs, etc.

Next.

He said Mexico will pay for the wall "100%" -- he said nothing about help, or indirect payments thru tariffs -- especially when the cost of those tariffs get shifted back on us.

Do you spit or swallow?

You mean except the quote I just gave as well as many campaign speeches where he said the same thing?

Taking away jobs from them is another good way to punish them.

 

[Redfish]

Mexico will pay for the wall, not with a check, but indirectly through balancing trade and tariffs. He never said that mexico would send money to the contractors building the wall.

There is a difference between political rhetoric (mostly designed to spin up gullible liberals) and lying.

here are some actual lies:

"we landed under sniper fire"
"if you like your plan you can keep it"
"I never had sex with that woman, miss Lewinsky"
"I did not send classified data on my private server"
"Hillary cannot lose this election"
"Trump has no path to 270 EC votes"
"Russia caused Hillary to lose"
"Comey caused Hillary to lose"

There was the thread of sniper fire.

There was a grandfather clause in the ACA that said insurance companies could continue to offer policies in effect at the time of the bill's signing. If your policy was cancelled, it was not the ACA.

Clinton never fuicked Monica,. Having sex means fucking.

As to the emails, you lied & left out :"properly marked" Asshole.

It is a fact that Russia meddled in the election in the favor of Trump

Comey reopening the investigation within a couple weeks of the election was a major factor.

A lie is a fucking lie even if your fat assed orange buddy said it ti rile up assholes like you.

Trump is the worst liar ever.

there was no threat of sniper fire, the video of the event clearly shows that

bullshit, obozo lied

a BJ is a form of sex. ejaculating on her dress is a form of sex

a document does not have to be marked classified in order to BE classified, the content makes in classified, not the markings

what exactly did Russia do? which votes in which states did Russia change?

Comey told the truth about crooked Hillary, she would have fired him if she won

I understand that you don't like Trump, but you destroy your arguments with the vile comments and hate, that's why you guys continue to lose.. You offer the voters nothing except hate of Trump, didn't work in 16 and wont work in 20

 

[Redfish]

Leave some koolaide for the rest of the kids ok?

Cartoons are make believe sonny.

So are most of Trump's promises.

So were Bush's promises, so were Obama's promises......Surely you understand that political promises may or may not be fulfilled? Or are you that ignorant? You just hate Trump...Admit it.

Trumpettes & Trump are claiming they are fulfilled.

They think because that orange fucker signs an EO that it is done.

^^^^example of hate speech. Its all you lefties have left, kind of pathetic.

 

[danielpalos]

One of liberals favorite things to say about Trump is that all he does is lie. He lies, his administration lies, and then he lies some more. Lies, lies, lies.

If you're old enough to remember the Bush years, liberals pretty much said the same thing about him. Everything he ever uttered was a LIE.

Quick question: why doesn't anyone ever go into all the "lies" Trump tells? I know there are lists out there that say stuff like "Trump has told 3,081 lies since he took office", but I can tell you now that's bullshit. If you bean count every inaccurate statement he or someone in his administration makes, you may be able to find a myriad of untruths, but 1) that's petty, 2) that's "cheating" (I'll explain in a second), and 3) those aren't necessarily lies.

Let's be clear about a lie is, because words have meaning. A lie is when you knowingly state a falsehood as a statement of fact. A lie isn't simply when you get something wrong or when you're mistaken about something or even when you're wrong about something you "should" know.

It's cute for news organizations to act as though they're keeping Trump honest by pointing out his lies. In theory, that's what the Fourth Estate is for: keeping honest those in power. But they know, like we know, like Trump knows, most people aren't hanging on to every word or assertion he makes and then filing away whether it was factually correct or not.

One could argue that the truth always matters, but it's not always relevant. People care whether Trump intends on trying to build a wall; they don't care about whether Trump was right when he said Washington Post journalists want to strike unless Jeff Bezos pays them more.

It's easy to ding Trump and his administration for lies when they often have to address questions off the cuff or before all the facts are known, while reporters can sit around and Google and "fact-check" all day and score points that way. And I think the media is making the same mistake they've always made with Trump: they don't take him seriously, but insist on taking him literally. Because why would Trump say one thing to the press on Tuesday, and say the exact opposite on Wednesday? Like, on a habitual basis? Either he's trolling, he speaks off the cuff about subjects he hasn't really thought through, or people looking to catch him in a lie are trying to find an inconsistency where there really is none.

Liberals, tell me some important Trump "lies". And fair warning: I'm thorough. So if you think you're going to go copypasta some list you found on fuckdrumpf.com and think I'm not going to fact-check it or call you out when it's bullshit, think again.

A lie to Democrats is anything a Republican says.

Democrats feel they aren't lying when they say something that know isn't true.

It's just a mistake.

"I know more about ISIS than the generals"

"We already started on The Wall"

"Democrats want an open border"

Every action and inaction from the Democrats is they want open borders. Democrats lose their shit when current immigration law is enforced.

No one ever said they were for open borders. You assholes lie worse than Trump.

You want to spend 20 billion for a wall that does not cover the entire border. How much will that decrease illegal immigration? Any estimates?

I was referring to actions and inactions of liberals. They obstruct enforcement of immigration law. That action alone indicates support for open borders.

10USC246 is federal law. And, has precedence when it is really really serious.

 

[Crepitus]

Cartoons are make believe sonny.

So are most of Trump's promises.

So were Bush's promises, so were Obama's promises......Surely you understand that political promises may or may not be fulfilled? Or are you that ignorant? You just hate Trump...Admit it.

Trumpettes & Trump are claiming they are fulfilled.

They think because that orange fucker signs an EO that it is done.

^^^^example of hate speech. Its all you lefties have left, kind of pathetic.

No son, that ain't hate speech.

This is hate speech:

"And isn’t it funny. I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it"

 

[Slyhunter]

One of liberals favorite things to say about Trump is that all he does is lie. He lies, his administration lies, and then he lies some more. Lies, lies, lies.

If you're old enough to remember the Bush years, liberals pretty much said the same thing about him. Everything he ever uttered was a LIE.

Quick question: why doesn't anyone ever go into all the "lies" Trump tells? I know there are lists out there that say stuff like "Trump has told 3,081 lies since he took office", but I can tell you now that's bullshit. If you bean count every inaccurate statement he or someone in his administration makes, you may be able to find a myriad of untruths, but 1) that's petty, 2) that's "cheating" (I'll explain in a second), and 3) those aren't necessarily lies.

Let's be clear about a lie is, because words have meaning. A lie is when you knowingly state a falsehood as a statement of fact. A lie isn't simply when you get something wrong or when you're mistaken about something or even when you're wrong about something you "should" know.

It's cute for news organizations to act as though they're keeping Trump honest by pointing out his lies. In theory, that's what the Fourth Estate is for: keeping honest those in power. But they know, like we know, like Trump knows, most people aren't hanging on to every word or assertion he makes and then filing away whether it was factually correct or not.

One could argue that the truth always matters, but it's not always relevant. People care whether Trump intends on trying to build a wall; they don't care about whether Trump was right when he said Washington Post journalists want to strike unless Jeff Bezos pays them more.

It's easy to ding Trump and his administration for lies when they often have to address questions off the cuff or before all the facts are known, while reporters can sit around and Google and "fact-check" all day and score points that way. And I think the media is making the same mistake they've always made with Trump: they don't take him seriously, but insist on taking him literally. Because why would Trump say one thing to the press on Tuesday, and say the exact opposite on Wednesday? Like, on a habitual basis? Either he's trolling, he speaks off the cuff about subjects he hasn't really thought through, or people looking to catch him in a lie are trying to find an inconsistency where there really is none.

Liberals, tell me some important Trump "lies". And fair warning: I'm thorough. So if you think you're going to go copypasta some list you found on fuckdrumpf.com and think I'm not going to fact-check it or call you out when it's bullshit, think again.

A lie to Democrats is anything a Republican says.

Democrats feel they aren't lying when they say something that know isn't true.

It's just a mistake.

"I know more about ISIS than the generals"

"We already started on The Wall"

"Democrats want an open border"

Every action and inaction from the Democrats is they want open borders. Democrats lose their shit when current immigration law is enforced.

No one ever said they were for open borders. You assholes lie worse than Trump.

You want to spend 20 billion for a wall that does not cover the entire border. How much will that decrease illegal immigration? Any estimates?

No wall is an open border.

 

[Slyhunter]

One of liberals favorite things to say about Trump is that all he does is lie. He lies, his administration lies, and then he lies some more. Lies, lies, lies.

If you're old enough to remember the Bush years, liberals pretty much said the same thing about him. Everything he ever uttered was a LIE.

Quick question: why doesn't anyone ever go into all the "lies" Trump tells? I know there are lists out there that say stuff like "Trump has told 3,081 lies since he took office", but I can tell you now that's bullshit. If you bean count every inaccurate statement he or someone in his administration makes, you may be able to find a myriad of untruths, but 1) that's petty, 2) that's "cheating" (I'll explain in a second), and 3) those aren't necessarily lies.

Let's be clear about a lie is, because words have meaning. A lie is when you knowingly state a falsehood as a statement of fact. A lie isn't simply when you get something wrong or when you're mistaken about something or even when you're wrong about something you "should" know.

It's cute for news organizations to act as though they're keeping Trump honest by pointing out his lies. In theory, that's what the Fourth Estate is for: keeping honest those in power. But they know, like we know, like Trump knows, most people aren't hanging on to every word or assertion he makes and then filing away whether it was factually correct or not.

One could argue that the truth always matters, but it's not always relevant. People care whether Trump intends on trying to build a wall; they don't care about whether Trump was right when he said Washington Post journalists want to strike unless Jeff Bezos pays them more.

It's easy to ding Trump and his administration for lies when they often have to address questions off the cuff or before all the facts are known, while reporters can sit around and Google and "fact-check" all day and score points that way. And I think the media is making the same mistake they've always made with Trump: they don't take him seriously, but insist on taking him literally. Because why would Trump say one thing to the press on Tuesday, and say the exact opposite on Wednesday? Like, on a habitual basis? Either he's trolling, he speaks off the cuff about subjects he hasn't really thought through, or people looking to catch him in a lie are trying to find an inconsistency where there really is none.

Liberals, tell me some important Trump "lies". And fair warning: I'm thorough. So if you think you're going to go copypasta some list you found on fuckdrumpf.com and think I'm not going to fact-check it or call you out when it's bullshit, think again.

How about his most recent whopper? He couldn't do anything to stop separating kids from their parents. Then, a few days later he signs an executive order that stops separating kids from their parents.

In his opinion he couldn't legally do an E.O. to side step Congress's law without giving amnesty to anyone who brought a kid with them. His people, probably, showed him a third way.

 

[danielpalos]

One of liberals favorite things to say about Trump is that all he does is lie. He lies, his administration lies, and then he lies some more. Lies, lies, lies.

If you're old enough to remember the Bush years, liberals pretty much said the same thing about him. Everything he ever uttered was a LIE.

Quick question: why doesn't anyone ever go into all the "lies" Trump tells? I know there are lists out there that say stuff like "Trump has told 3,081 lies since he took office", but I can tell you now that's bullshit. If you bean count every inaccurate statement he or someone in his administration makes, you may be able to find a myriad of untruths, but 1) that's petty, 2) that's "cheating" (I'll explain in a second), and 3) those aren't necessarily lies.

Let's be clear about a lie is, because words have meaning. A lie is when you knowingly state a falsehood as a statement of fact. A lie isn't simply when you get something wrong or when you're mistaken about something or even when you're wrong about something you "should" know.

It's cute for news organizations to act as though they're keeping Trump honest by pointing out his lies. In theory, that's what the Fourth Estate is for: keeping honest those in power. But they know, like we know, like Trump knows, most people aren't hanging on to every word or assertion he makes and then filing away whether it was factually correct or not.

One could argue that the truth always matters, but it's not always relevant. People care whether Trump intends on trying to build a wall; they don't care about whether Trump was right when he said Washington Post journalists want to strike unless Jeff Bezos pays them more.

It's easy to ding Trump and his administration for lies when they often have to address questions off the cuff or before all the facts are known, while reporters can sit around and Google and "fact-check" all day and score points that way. And I think the media is making the same mistake they've always made with Trump: they don't take him seriously, but insist on taking him literally. Because why would Trump say one thing to the press on Tuesday, and say the exact opposite on Wednesday? Like, on a habitual basis? Either he's trolling, he speaks off the cuff about subjects he hasn't really thought through, or people looking to catch him in a lie are trying to find an inconsistency where there really is none.

Liberals, tell me some important Trump "lies". And fair warning: I'm thorough. So if you think you're going to go copypasta some list you found on fuckdrumpf.com and think I'm not going to fact-check it or call you out when it's bullshit, think again.

A lie to Democrats is anything a Republican says.

Democrats feel they aren't lying when they say something that know isn't true.

It's just a mistake.

"I know more about ISIS than the generals"

"We already started on The Wall"

"Democrats want an open border"

Every action and inaction from the Democrats is they want open borders. Democrats lose their shit when current immigration law is enforced.

No one ever said they were for open borders. You assholes lie worse than Trump.

You want to spend 20 billion for a wall that does not cover the entire border. How much will that decrease illegal immigration? Any estimates?

No wall is an open border.

i hear there is open interest in wingsuit technologies.

 

[Slyhunter]

Where is the check from Mexico to pay for the wall?

President Trump always said that Mexico will help pay for the wall *OR* there will be repercussions like tariffs, etc.

Next.

Surely you can quote the blob saying just that, right?

"The Wall will be paid for, directly or indirectly, or through longer term reimbursement, by Mexico, which has a ridiculous $71 billion dollar trade surplus with the U.S. The $20 billion dollar Wall is “peanuts” compared to what Mexico makes from the U.S. NAFTA is a bad joke!" Trump tweeted.

He also said "Mexico will pay for it". Period. No bullshit walk backs. A lie is a fucking lie & just because you change it later does not mean it was not a fucking lie to begin with.

We need to tax all money being sent to Mexico, regardless of how it's being sent to Mexico. I don't understand why he hasn't done it already.

 

[Slyhunter]

a few weeks ago, our friends on the left were obsessed with a porn star

then they shifted to "family values" and started reading Bible verses on TV

right now they are kind of in limbo, waiting for the next media manufactured crisis/outrage

I think you may be asking too much from them, but hope springs eternal

Trump was obsessed with the porn star. We were concerned with the character of Trump,.. You don't care about Trump's character.

Depending on the Porn Star, I'd have sex with her, married or not.
In fact if I ever win the lottery I plan on making a trip to the Bunny Ranch.
So why would I condemn Trump for doing something I would've done had I been in his shoes?

 

[buckeye45_73]

One of liberals favorite things to say about Trump is that all he does is lie. He lies, his administration lies, and then he lies some more. Lies, lies, lies.

If you're old enough to remember the Bush years, liberals pretty much said the same thing about him. Everything he ever uttered was a LIE.

Quick question: why doesn't anyone ever go into all the "lies" Trump tells? I know there are lists out there that say stuff like "Trump has told 3,081 lies since he took office", but I can tell you now that's bullshit. If you bean count every inaccurate statement he or someone in his administration makes, you may be able to find a myriad of untruths, but 1) that's petty, 2) that's "cheating" (I'll explain in a second), and 3) those aren't necessarily lies.

Let's be clear about a lie is, because words have meaning. A lie is when you knowingly state a falsehood as a statement of fact. A lie isn't simply when you get something wrong or when you're mistaken about something or even when you're wrong about something you "should" know.

It's cute for news organizations to act as though they're keeping Trump honest by pointing out his lies. In theory, that's what the Fourth Estate is for: keeping honest those in power. But they know, like we know, like Trump knows, most people aren't hanging on to every word or assertion he makes and then filing away whether it was factually correct or not.

One could argue that the truth always matters, but it's not always relevant. People care whether Trump intends on trying to build a wall; they don't care about whether Trump was right when he said Washington Post journalists want to strike unless Jeff Bezos pays them more.

It's easy to ding Trump and his administration for lies when they often have to address questions off the cuff or before all the facts are known, while reporters can sit around and Google and "fact-check" all day and score points that way. And I think the media is making the same mistake they've always made with Trump: they don't take him seriously, but insist on taking him literally. Because why would Trump say one thing to the press on Tuesday, and say the exact opposite on Wednesday? Like, on a habitual basis? Either he's trolling, he speaks off the cuff about subjects he hasn't really thought through, or people looking to catch him in a lie are trying to find an inconsistency where there really is none.

Liberals, tell me some important Trump "lies". And fair warning: I'm thorough. So if you think you're going to go copypasta some list you found on fuckdrumpf.com and think I'm not going to fact-check it or call you out when it's bullshit, think again.

because he said he had x amount at his inauguration and the media cited a different number. Those are the only lies they come up with...is either exaggerations or numeric details......that are insignificant.

 

[danielpalos]

One of liberals favorite things to say about Trump is that all he does is lie. He lies, his administration lies, and then he lies some more. Lies, lies, lies.

If you're old enough to remember the Bush years, liberals pretty much said the same thing about him. Everything he ever uttered was a LIE.

Quick question: why doesn't anyone ever go into all the "lies" Trump tells? I know there are lists out there that say stuff like "Trump has told 3,081 lies since he took office", but I can tell you now that's bullshit. If you bean count every inaccurate statement he or someone in his administration makes, you may be able to find a myriad of untruths, but 1) that's petty, 2) that's "cheating" (I'll explain in a second), and 3) those aren't necessarily lies.

Let's be clear about a lie is, because words have meaning. A lie is when you knowingly state a falsehood as a statement of fact. A lie isn't simply when you get something wrong or when you're mistaken about something or even when you're wrong about something you "should" know.

It's cute for news organizations to act as though they're keeping Trump honest by pointing out his lies. In theory, that's what the Fourth Estate is for: keeping honest those in power. But they know, like we know, like Trump knows, most people aren't hanging on to every word or assertion he makes and then filing away whether it was factually correct or not.

One could argue that the truth always matters, but it's not always relevant. People care whether Trump intends on trying to build a wall; they don't care about whether Trump was right when he said Washington Post journalists want to strike unless Jeff Bezos pays them more.

It's easy to ding Trump and his administration for lies when they often have to address questions off the cuff or before all the facts are known, while reporters can sit around and Google and "fact-check" all day and score points that way. And I think the media is making the same mistake they've always made with Trump: they don't take him seriously, but insist on taking him literally. Because why would Trump say one thing to the press on Tuesday, and say the exact opposite on Wednesday? Like, on a habitual basis? Either he's trolling, he speaks off the cuff about subjects he hasn't really thought through, or people looking to catch him in a lie are trying to find an inconsistency where there really is none.

Liberals, tell me some important Trump "lies". And fair warning: I'm thorough. So if you think you're going to go copypasta some list you found on fuckdrumpf.com and think I'm not going to fact-check it or call you out when it's bullshit, think again.

A lie to Democrats is anything a Republican says.

Democrats feel they aren't lying when they say something that know isn't true.

It's just a mistake.

"I know more about ISIS than the generals"

"We already started on The Wall"

"Democrats want an open border"

Every action and inaction from the Democrats is they want open borders. Democrats lose their shit when current immigration law is enforced.

No one ever said they were for open borders. You assholes lie worse than Trump.

You want to spend 20 billion for a wall that does not cover the entire border. How much will that decrease illegal immigration? Any estimates?

No wall is an open border.

drone assembly is cheaper, down south.

i hear relatively local delivery options may be available.

 

[mudwhistle]

Where is the check from Mexico to pay for the wall?

President Trump always said that Mexico will help pay for the wall *OR* there will be repercussions like tariffs, etc.

Next.

Surely you can quote the blob saying just that, right?

"The Wall will be paid for, directly or indirectly, or through longer term reimbursement, by Mexico, which has a ridiculous $71 billion dollar trade surplus with the U.S. The $20 billion dollar Wall is “peanuts” compared to what Mexico makes from the U.S. NAFTA is a bad joke!" Trump tweeted.

He also said "Mexico will pay for it". Period. No bullshit walk backs. A lie is a fucking lie & just because you change it later does not mean it was not a fucking lie to begin with.

We need to tax all money being sent to Mexico, regardless of how it's being sent to Mexico. I don't understand why he hasn't done it already.

He already has.
Ask any banker.

 

[Slyhunter]

President Trump always said that Mexico will help pay for the wall *OR* there will be repercussions like tariffs, etc.

Next.

Surely you can quote the blob saying just that, right?

"The Wall will be paid for, directly or indirectly, or through longer term reimbursement, by Mexico, which has a ridiculous $71 billion dollar trade surplus with the U.S. The $20 billion dollar Wall is “peanuts” compared to what Mexico makes from the U.S. NAFTA is a bad joke!" Trump tweeted.

He also said "Mexico will pay for it". Period. No bullshit walk backs. A lie is a fucking lie & just because you change it later does not mean it was not a fucking lie to begin with.

We need to tax all money being sent to Mexico, regardless of how it's being sent to Mexico. I don't understand why he hasn't done it already.

He already has.
Ask any banker.

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[g5000]

One of liberals favorite things to say about Trump is that all he does is lie. He lies, his administration lies, and then he lies some more. Lies, lies, lies.

If you're old enough to remember the Bush years, liberals pretty much said the same thing about him. Everything he ever uttered was a LIE.

Quick question: why doesn't anyone ever go into all the "lies" Trump tells? I know there are lists out there that say stuff like "Trump has told 3,081 lies since he took office", but I can tell you now that's bullshit. If you bean count every inaccurate statement he or someone in his administration makes, you may be able to find a myriad of untruths, but 1) that's petty, 2) that's "cheating" (I'll explain in a second), and 3) those aren't necessarily lies.

Let's be clear about a lie is, because words have meaning. A lie is when you knowingly state a falsehood as a statement of fact. A lie isn't simply when you get something wrong or when you're mistaken about something or even when you're wrong about something you "should" know.

It's cute for news organizations to act as though they're keeping Trump honest by pointing out his lies. In theory, that's what the Fourth Estate is for: keeping honest those in power. But they know, like we know, like Trump knows, most people aren't hanging on to every word or assertion he makes and then filing away whether it was factually correct or not.

One could argue that the truth always matters, but it's not always relevant. People care whether Trump intends on trying to build a wall; they don't care about whether Trump was right when he said Washington Post journalists want to strike unless Jeff Bezos pays them more.

It's easy to ding Trump and his administration for lies when they often have to address questions off the cuff or before all the facts are known, while reporters can sit around and Google and "fact-check" all day and score points that way. And I think the media is making the same mistake they've always made with Trump: they don't take him seriously, but insist on taking him literally. Because why would Trump say one thing to the press on Tuesday, and say the exact opposite on Wednesday? Like, on a habitual basis? Either he's trolling, he speaks off the cuff about subjects he hasn't really thought through, or people looking to catch him in a lie are trying to find an inconsistency where there really is none.

Liberals, tell me some important Trump "lies". And fair warning: I'm thorough. So if you think you're going to go copypasta some list you found on fuckdrumpf.com and think I'm not going to fact-check it or call you out when it's bullshit, think again.

I’m going to be working for you. I’m not going to have time to go play golf. Bleev me. Bleev me. Bleev me, folks." - Donald Trump, August 8, 2016