"List greatest conservative accomplishments last 20 years": The answer he

[bucs90]

Wow, you must be one of those 6%.

Sleep in a room filled with CO2 and then tell me how "not dangerous" it is. Please.

Well.....I do every night. We breath CO2 out our mouths with every breath. Plants thrive off CO2 and flourish with it. That was God's plan ya know. We breath oxygen in and CO2 out. Plants take CO2 in and produce oxygen. We eat plants as they grow, and plant them as they die. Cycle of life.

I guess God was a oil tycoon racist hate monger Fox News watchin Republican to create a world that depends on CO2 to survive though.

 

[bucs90]

Shit.... every single lib rebuttal consists of the same underlying refrain:

But but but! You MUST be indebted to government! Otherwise how will we rule you? You can't be allowed independence from us! It destroys our very desire and purpose in life! What will we do with ourselves! We can't work for ourselves, we must interfere in the lives of others!

So true. Employees of big government depend on our dependency for job security.

If all of a sudden everyone got motivated and started working hard, growing their own food, whatever, and no longer needed welfare, those welfare employees would be out of work.

If school vouchers were the norm, or God forbid parents start home schooling more, government employed teachers (and their unions) would lose students, thus lessen the # of teachers needed, and thus lose job security. Thats one reason freedom-loving California is trying to ban home schooling.

I could do a whole thread on things the government employees need us to depend on for their job security.

 

[Ragnar]

List greatest conservative accomplishments last 20 years

How many do you need for a "list"? Two or three?

At this point, I'd settle for "one".

We are not Cuba yet.

Not too long ago, two friends of mine were talking to a Cuban refugee, a businessman who had escaped from Castro, and in the midst of his story one of my friends turned to the other and said, "We don't know how lucky we are." And the Cuban stopped and said, "How lucky you are? I had someplace to escape to." And in that sentence he told us the entire story. If we lose freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth.

And this idea that government is beholden to the people, that it has no other source of power except the sovereign people, is still the newest and the most unique idea in all the long history of man's relation to man.

This is the issue of this election: Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capitol can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.

You and I are told increasingly we have to choose between a left or right. Well I'd like to suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There's only an up or down—[up] man's old—old-aged dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order, or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. And regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course.

In this vote-harvesting time, they use terms like the "Great Society," or as we were told a few days ago by the President, we must accept a greater government activity in the affairs of the people. But they've been a little more explicit in the past and among themselves; and all of the things I now will quote have appeared in print. These are not Republican accusations. For example, they have voices that say, "The cold war will end through our acceptance of a not undemocratic socialism." Another voice says, "The profit motive has become outmoded. It must be replaced by the incentives of the welfare state." Or, "Our traditional system of individual freedom is incapable of solving the complex problems of the 20th century." Senator Fullbright has said at Stanford University that the Constitution is outmoded. He referred to the President as "our moral teacher and our leader," and he says he is "hobbled in his task by the restrictions of power imposed on him by this antiquated document." He must "be freed," so that he "can do for us" what he knows "is best." And Senator Clark of Pennsylvania, another articulate spokesman, defines liberalism as "meeting the material needs of the masses through the full power of centralized government."

Well, I, for one, resent it when a representative of the people refers to you and me, the free men and women of this country, as "the masses." This is a term we haven't applied to ourselves in America. But beyond that, "the full power of centralized government"—this was the very thing the Founding Fathers sought to minimize. They knew that governments don't control things. A government can't control the economy without controlling people. And they know when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. They also knew, those Founding Fathers, that outside of its legitimate functions, government does nothing as well or as economically as the private sector of the economy.

A TIME FOR CHOOSING (The Speech – October 27, 1964)

 

[bucs90]

Ragnar, liberals would think us not "being Cuba yet" is a bad thing. They admire Cuba, Venezuela, UK, Sweden, Norway, Germany, China, as superior forms of governance to what we have.

 

[Dr Grump]

Ragnar, liberals would think us not "being Cuba yet" is a bad thing. They admire Cuba, Venezuela, UK, Sweden, Norway, Germany, China, as superior forms of governance to what we have.

I would argue Cuba and China, as political systems, totally suck compared to the US. Venezuela wouldn't be far behind. The UK's is probably just as bad as yours, while Sweden, Norway and Germany's are absolutely superior. As is NZ's (my country) and Australia's (where I reside - although I do have a problem with Australia's law that says you HAVE to vote or get fined $100.)

 

[Ragnar]

Ragnar, liberals would think us not "being Cuba yet" is a bad thing. They admire Cuba, Venezuela, UK, Sweden, Norway, Germany, China, as superior forms of governance to what we have.

Yeah, some would indeed. It's sad but at the same time, it's what makes the threads go on and on.

 

[bucs90]

Ragnar, liberals would think us not "being Cuba yet" is a bad thing. They admire Cuba, Venezuela, UK, Sweden, Norway, Germany, China, as superior forms of governance to what we have.

I would argue Cuba and China, as political systems, totally suck compared to the US. Venezuela wouldn't be far behind. The UK's is probably just as bad as yours, while Sweden, Norway and Germany's are absolutely superior. As is NZ's (my country) and Australia's (where I reside - although I do have a problem with Australia's law that says you HAVE to vote or get fined $100.)

Hmm. Fair enough.

But I'd also argue that a system that makes our "poor" among the richest 5% of humans on the planet is the best, or least bad, form of government on Earth. When a population of African-Americans can go from slavery in 1861, to 150 years later being a group of people that if counted seperately (black Americans) would be the 5th richest nation on Earth.....thats a pretty good system.

Why our current administration is trying to tear apart a system capable of the above blows my mind.

 

[The Rabbi]

Ragnar, liberals would think us not "being Cuba yet" is a bad thing. They admire Cuba, Venezuela, UK, Sweden, Norway, Germany, China, as superior forms of governance to what we have.

I would argue Cuba and China, as political systems, totally suck compared to the US. Venezuela wouldn't be far behind. The UK's is probably just as bad as yours, while Sweden, Norway and Germany's are absolutely superior. As is NZ's (my country) and Australia's (where I reside - although I do have a problem with Australia's law that says you HAVE to vote or get fined $100.)

Sweden, Norway, and Germany are sclerotic Eurosocialist paradises where every economic transaction requires paying a fee and permission from some bureaucrat. Virtually every major Swedish company was founded prior to 1918. Virtually every party is premised on dishing out benefits to even middle class citizens, creating crushing tax burdens and welfare state mentalities.
Seeing those places as superior to the U.S. is the sign of a sick mind.
I am told New Zealand recently outlawed kosher slaughter as well as the importation of slaughtered chickens. Great political system there.

 

[Big Fitz]

Shit.... every single lib rebuttal consists of the same underlying refrain:

But but but! You MUST be indebted to government! Otherwise how will we rule you? You can't be allowed independence from us! It destroys our very desire and purpose in life! What will we do with ourselves! We can't work for ourselves, we must interfere in the lives of others!

Is that what you believe? How frightening. You must be terrified. You know, there are "safe havens" for your kind.

Spare us your dating photos.

 

[Big Fitz]

Ragnar, liberals would think us not "being Cuba yet" is a bad thing. They admire Cuba, Venezuela, UK, Sweden, Norway, Germany, China, as superior forms of governance to what we have.

I would argue Cuba and China, as political systems, totally suck compared to the US. Venezuela wouldn't be far behind. The UK's is probably just as bad as yours, while Sweden, Norway and Germany's are absolutely superior. As is NZ's (my country) and Australia's (where I reside - although I do have a problem with Australia's law that says you HAVE to vote or get fined $100.)

Fining people for not voting. Great way to enforce stupid uninformed people vote en masse. You're better of losing out on a tax credit. Those who pay no taxes therefore have no impetus to vote, while those with skin in the game do. It'd almost be better to force people to take a politician quiz before voting in an election, and if you score less than X, you can't vote in that race because you are too fucking clueless to be considered competent to vote and thereby a danger to democracy.

Better still to have competency exams for politicians to run for office with sections on economics, civil rights, and mental stability.

 

[Big Fitz]

Ragnar, liberals would think us not "being Cuba yet" is a bad thing. They admire Cuba, Venezuela, UK, Sweden, Norway, Germany, China, as superior forms of governance to what we have.

Be smarter expidite their emigration to the nation they favor most and just drop em off there and refuse their return to the country if they aren't allowed to stay. Don't love this country the way it was founded, maybe you should go to one you agree with. We'd all be happier and you can be a pimple on the buttocks of THAT nation instead of ours.

 

[rdean]

Well.....I do every night. We breath CO2 out our mouths with every breath. Plants thrive off CO2 and flourish with it. That was God's plan ya know. We breath oxygen in and CO2 out. Plants take CO2 in and produce oxygen. We eat plants as they grow, and plant them as they die. Cycle of life.

I guess God was a oil tycoon racist hate monger Fox News watchin Republican to create a world that depends on CO2 to survive though.

God's plan? Was "lack of education" part of "God's plan"?

 

[Political Junky]

Yes, we agree on this one. That is why so many on the right were pissed off by Bush. He did lower taxes, but increased spending far too much, and left the border wide open. Aside from the war, he was basically a liberal with an R by his name.

So, that is the ideal the modern Tea Party conservatives are looking for. We must cut spending. Our deficit is a growing crisis, and if we stay on this path, we have no choice but massive tax increases to keep afloat.

I for one don't want that. I don't believe we still need a military presence in Germany and Japan, and can bring those expenditures to a close. Ideally, relocated to the US/Mex border. Secure that and we can move to immigration reform.

And of course, I think there needs to be a massive exercise and fitness initiative in our country. By the private sector or public, but that will solve 70% of our health problems if we get our fat population in shape. There are so many "municipal golf courses" by tax money around, but how many free government gyms, with treadmills and weights?? Very few. We could better use that recreation money to improve fitness, not provide more leisure activity.

But of course, none of that will work without the good conservative value of personal responsibility.

Oh, so Bush was a "liberal"? He must have been because he was such a lousy president. He was like Midas, only everything Bush touched turned to shit.

Well, I got news for you. Bush was THE perfect conservative. He exemplified the Conservative ideal. Make the rich richer. Fuck the country. Squeeze every cent you can out if it. Push religion over science. Yep, that's a conservative, and Bush was their "leader".

Trying to make Bush a "liberal" is hilarious. Sarah Silverman at her best, or worst.

Bush overspent. Bush left the border wide open. Big government overspending + open borders? Thats pure left wing liberalism.

Bush made a lot of people richer. Guess what? You and I work for rich people. Rich people and rich companies create jobs. I wish about 10 million more rich people moved to America. But instead, we've imported 15 million dirt poor people expecting jobs. Only rich people and rich companies provide mass jobs.

Bush was a mutt. A liberal spender and liberal open borders advocate disguised in a conservative image.

Did you vote for Bush in 2000 and 2004, both?

 

[rightwinger]

List greatest conservative accomplishments last 20 years

How many do you need for a "list"? Two or three?

At this point, I'd settle for "one".

Yes, the Conservatives have given us Keith Olbermann

They provide him with enough material to fill a one hour show five days a week

 

[Some Guy]

I agree with the premise of the OP. An accomplishment by government to a conservative is not implementing a bloated government program that raises taxes and keeps as much freedom as possible in a citizen's hands.

If (for example) the recent health care bill was repealed in the future, that would be an accomplishment.

 

[Scaybeez]

I agree with the premise of the OP. An accomplishment by government to a conservative is not implementing a bloated government program that raises taxes and keeps as much freedom as possible in a citizen's hands.

I find the OP to be a bit misleading, as none of those things can truly be labelled exclusively "liberal" or "conservative" accomplishments (though both sides would LOVE to be able to take all the credit).

 

[rdean]

List greatest conservative accomplishments last 20 years

How many do you need for a "list"? Two or three?

At this point, I'd settle for "one".

Yes, the Conservatives have given us Keith Olbermann

They provide him with enough material to fill a one hour show five days a week

And we have demonstrated time and again, the right just plain lies. The right makes stuff up and that gives the left something to talk about. Right wing lunacy. Kill Grandma anyone?

 

[bucs90]

God's plan? Was "lack of education" part of "God's plan"?

Oh hahaha, hahaha, you're so clever and intellectual and funny! Oh, if only I was as witty and sarcastic as you....you really stuck it to me.

 

[bucs90]

List greatest conservative accomplishments last 20 years

How many do you need for a "list"? Two or three?

At this point, I'd settle for "one".

Yes, the Conservatives have given us Keith Olbermann

They provide him with enough material to fill a one hour show five days a week

Yeah, and unfortunately for him and the left, that material isn't good enough for 99.9% of America to tune in. Fox on the other hand.........

 

[rdean]

I agree with the premise of the OP. An accomplishment by government to a conservative is not implementing a bloated government program that raises taxes and keeps as much freedom as possible in a citizen's hands.

I find the OP to be a bit misleading, as none of those things can truly be labelled exclusively "liberal" or "conservative" accomplishments (though both sides would LOVE to be able to take all the credit).

The entire philosophy behind "conservative" is to keep things "unchanged". It's basically a "fear of change". This is why they are anti education. You can't point to "examples of success", unless you point to working towards the failure of others a success.