London murders outnumber New York 2 months in a row...so it starts....

[2aguy]

And the levels of violence in London are going up and now their murder rates are going up...

Murders in London Overtake New York for First Time Since 1800 Under Sadiq Khan

London has overtaken New York City for number of murders for the first time in over 200 years under the mayoralty of Labour’sSadiq Khan.
Britain’s multicultural capital edged ahead of the American city — once so notorious for its high crime rates that it was chosen as the setting for Charles Bronson’s Death Wish –– in February, The Times reports.

London saw 15 killings to New York’s 14 over the course of the month, and appears to have outstripped ‘Gotham’ yet again in March, with 22 killings to 21.

Historically, London has had a murder rate per person between half and one-twentieth of New York’s since 1800, according to FBI data and studies by University of California researcher Eric Monkkonen.


Figures released last year showed London was already the more dangerous of the two cities for almost every other category of violent and sexual crime, with Londoners six times more likely to be burgled than New Yorkers, three times more likely to be raped, and one and a half times more victim to be robbed.

 

[rightwinger]

Good for New York

It’s strict gun control laws are working

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Good for New York

It’s strict gun control laws are working

Yeah well, London has stricter gun laws than New York.

Besides, I don't necessarily think New York's more modest murder rates has anything to do with gun control.

I happen to think a mix of stop, and frisk, tight policing, and that a lot of the "trash" have been weeded out of New York from gentrification, be it Black, White, or Puerto Rican.

 

[2aguy]

Good for New York

It’s strict gun control laws are working

Not hardly.....Considering Britain banned and confiscated guns....and their gun crime rate is going up, not down.....23% across England and Wales last year, up 42% in London, and 30% in Yorkshire......if gun control can't work on an island nation that completely banned and confiscated all guns except for the hunting shotguns of the rich.......gun control ain't gonna work anywhere....

And the British gave up their guns on the promise it would make them safer.......it didn't....

Meanwhile, in the U.S.......we know that more guns = less gun crime...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[rightwinger]

London’s problem is that is seems more guns are working their way into the city

A sure formula for more murder

 

[2aguy]

Good for New York

It’s strict gun control laws are working

Yeah well, London has stricter gun laws than New York.

Besides, I don't necessarily think New York's more modest murder rates has anything to do with gun control.

I happen to think a mix of stop, and frisk, tight policing, and that a lot of the "trash" have been weeded out of New York from gentrification, be it Black, White, or Puerto Rican.

The crime rate in New York went down because Rudy Guiliani actually focused on criminals...not law abiding citizens....but don't worry.....the democrat/socialist has decided that he wants more crime...so he is dropping all of the successful anti crime policies....

Don’t Take the Wrong Lessons from NYC’s Murder Drop

New York City’s formerly high-crime neighborhoods have experienced a stunning degree of gentrification over the last 15 years, thanks to the proactive-policing-induced conquest of crime. It is that gentrification which is now helping fuel the ongoing crime drop. Urban hipsters are flocking to areas that once were the purview of drug dealers and pimps, trailing in their wake legitimate commerce and street life, which further attracts law-abiding activity and residents in a virtuous cycle of increasing public safety.

The degree of demographic change is startling.

In Brooklyn’s Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood, for example, the number of white residents rose 1,235 percent from 2000 to 2015, while the black population decreased by 17 percent, reports City Lab.

In Bushwick, Brooklyn, the number of whites rose 610 percent over that same decade and a half; the black population was down 22 percent. Central Harlem’s white population rose 846 percent; the black share dropped 10 percent. In 2000, whites were about three-quarters of the black population in Brownsville-Ocean Hill; by 2015, there were twice as many whites as blacks.

In 2000, whites were one-third of the black population in Crown Heights North and Prospect Heights; now they exceed the black population by 20,000. The Brooklyn Navy Yards has now been declared the next cool place to be by the tech industry. Business owners are moving their residences as well as their enterprises to the area.


This demographic transformation has enormous implications for crime.

A black New Yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a shooting than a white New Yorker, according to perpetrator identifications provided to the police by witnesses to, and victims of, those shootings.

Those victims are overwhelmingly minority themselves.

When the racial balance of a neighborhood changes radically, given those crime disparities, its violent-crime rate will as well. (This racial crime disparity reflects the breakdown of the black family and the high percentage of black males — upwards of 80 percent in some neighborhoods — being raised by single mothers.)

----

The high-crime areas of Baltimore and Chicago have not been gentrified. Baltimore is experiencing its highest per capita murder rate for the third year in a row. While Chicago’s homicide numbers are down somewhat this year, thanks to the aggressive use of shot-spotter technology, they remain at a level far higher than in the past decade.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

London’s problem is that is seems more guns are working their way into the city

A sure formula for more murder

Glasgow Scotland has a higher murder rate than London, but it's not because of guns, but because of knife crime (Overall)

 

[2aguy]

London’s problem is that is seems more guns are working their way into the city

A sure formula for more murder

No...twit...guns are still illegal for law abiding citizens...so only criminals have them...on an island nation.....

As our gun crime rate shows, law abiding citizens owning and actually carrying guns does not increase the crime rate....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Good for New York

It’s strict gun control laws are working

Yeah well, London has stricter gun laws than New York.

Besides, I don't necessarily think New York's more modest murder rates has anything to do with gun control.

I happen to think a mix of stop, and frisk, tight policing, and that a lot of the "trash" have been weeded out of New York from gentrification, be it Black, White, or Puerto Rican.

The crime rate in New York went down because Rudy Guiliani actually focused on criminals...not law abiding citizens....but don't worry.....the democrat/socialist has decided that he wants more crime...so he is dropping all of the successful anti crime policies....

Don’t Take the Wrong Lessons from NYC’s Murder Drop

New York City’s formerly high-crime neighborhoods have experienced a stunning degree of gentrification over the last 15 years, thanks to the proactive-policing-induced conquest of crime. It is that gentrification which is now helping fuel the ongoing crime drop. Urban hipsters are flocking to areas that once were the purview of drug dealers and pimps, trailing in their wake legitimate commerce and street life, which further attracts law-abiding activity and residents in a virtuous cycle of increasing public safety.

The degree of demographic change is startling.

In Brooklyn’s Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood, for example, the number of white residents rose 1,235 percent from 2000 to 2015, while the black population decreased by 17 percent, reports City Lab.

In Bushwick, Brooklyn, the number of whites rose 610 percent over that same decade and a half; the black population was down 22 percent. Central Harlem’s white population rose 846 percent; the black share dropped 10 percent. In 2000, whites were about three-quarters of the black population in Brownsville-Ocean Hill; by 2015, there were twice as many whites as blacks.

In 2000, whites were one-third of the black population in Crown Heights North and Prospect Heights; now they exceed the black population by 20,000. The Brooklyn Navy Yards has now been declared the next cool place to be by the tech industry. Business owners are moving their residences as well as their enterprises to the area.


This demographic transformation has enormous implications for crime.

A black New Yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a shooting than a white New Yorker, according to perpetrator identifications provided to the police by witnesses to, and victims of, those shootings.

Those victims are overwhelmingly minority themselves.

When the racial balance of a neighborhood changes radically, given those crime disparities, its violent-crime rate will as well. (This racial crime disparity reflects the breakdown of the black family and the high percentage of black males — upwards of 80 percent in some neighborhoods — being raised by single mothers.)

----

The high-crime areas of Baltimore and Chicago have not been gentrified. Baltimore is experiencing its highest per capita murder rate for the third year in a row. While Chicago’s homicide numbers are down somewhat this year, thanks to the aggressive use of shot-spotter technology, they remain at a level far higher than in the past decade.

I totally agree, gentrification + policing are the main things that promoted New York as a "Model safe city".

Chicago's gun laws are almost as strict as New York, but it's in much worse shape merely because of less gentrification + less policing

 

[frigidweirdo]

And the levels of violence in London are going up and now their murder rates are going up...

Murders in London Overtake New York for First Time Since 1800 Under Sadiq Khan

London has overtaken New York City for number of murders for the first time in over 200 years under the mayoralty of Labour’sSadiq Khan.
Britain’s multicultural capital edged ahead of the American city — once so notorious for its high crime rates that it was chosen as the setting for Charles Bronson’s Death Wish –– in February, The Times reports.

London saw 15 killings to New York’s 14 over the course of the month, and appears to have outstripped ‘Gotham’ yet again in March, with 22 killings to 21.

Historically, London has had a murder rate per person between half and one-twentieth of New York’s since 1800, according to FBI data and studies by University of California researcher Eric Monkkonen.


Figures released last year showed London was already the more dangerous of the two cities for almost every other category of violent and sexual crime, with Londoners six times more likely to be burgled than New Yorkers, three times more likely to be raped, and one and a half times more victim to be robbed.

Take worst city for crime in the UK and compare it to the best city for crime in the US over 1.5 million people and see where CHERRY PICKING GETS YOU.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

El Paso, Texas has a lot of guns, but a low murder rate.

I mean it really supports that guns don't have much of anything to do with murder rate correlations.

 

[2aguy]

And the levels of violence in London are going up and now their murder rates are going up...

Murders in London Overtake New York for First Time Since 1800 Under Sadiq Khan

London has overtaken New York City for number of murders for the first time in over 200 years under the mayoralty of Labour’sSadiq Khan.
Britain’s multicultural capital edged ahead of the American city — once so notorious for its high crime rates that it was chosen as the setting for Charles Bronson’s Death Wish –– in February, The Times reports.

London saw 15 killings to New York’s 14 over the course of the month, and appears to have outstripped ‘Gotham’ yet again in March, with 22 killings to 21.

Historically, London has had a murder rate per person between half and one-twentieth of New York’s since 1800, according to FBI data and studies by University of California researcher Eric Monkkonen.


Figures released last year showed London was already the more dangerous of the two cities for almost every other category of violent and sexual crime, with Londoners six times more likely to be burgled than New Yorkers, three times more likely to be raped, and one and a half times more victim to be robbed.

Take worst city for crime in the UK and compare it to the best city for crime in the US over 1.5 million people and see where CHERRY PICKING GETS YOU.

You don't have to cheery pick dumb ass......the U.K. has a higher violent crime rate than the United States.......

 

[skookerasbil]

LOL... well duh...every mofu bad guy in London knows the people are defenseless. Only progressives would be surprised by this news.

 

[frigidweirdo]

El Paso, Texas has a lot of guns, but a low murder rate.

I mean it really supports that guns don't have much of anything to do with murder rate correlations.

Does it?

El Paso Texas has a low murder rate in the US, not compared to the rest of the first world.

El Paso's murder rate of 2.5 puts it ahead of every single first world country's murder rate, by quite a way too.

3 US cities over 250,000 people have a murder rate lower than the UK's murder rate.

Only three.

 

[2aguy]

Good for New York

It’s strict gun control laws are working

Yeah well, London has stricter gun laws than New York.

Besides, I don't necessarily think New York's more modest murder rates has anything to do with gun control.

I happen to think a mix of stop, and frisk, tight policing, and that a lot of the "trash" have been weeded out of New York from gentrification, be it Black, White, or Puerto Rican.

The crime rate in New York went down because Rudy Guiliani actually focused on criminals...not law abiding citizens....but don't worry.....the democrat/socialist has decided that he wants more crime...so he is dropping all of the successful anti crime policies....

Don’t Take the Wrong Lessons from NYC’s Murder Drop

New York City’s formerly high-crime neighborhoods have experienced a stunning degree of gentrification over the last 15 years, thanks to the proactive-policing-induced conquest of crime. It is that gentrification which is now helping fuel the ongoing crime drop. Urban hipsters are flocking to areas that once were the purview of drug dealers and pimps, trailing in their wake legitimate commerce and street life, which further attracts law-abiding activity and residents in a virtuous cycle of increasing public safety.

The degree of demographic change is startling.

In Brooklyn’s Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood, for example, the number of white residents rose 1,235 percent from 2000 to 2015, while the black population decreased by 17 percent, reports City Lab.

In Bushwick, Brooklyn, the number of whites rose 610 percent over that same decade and a half; the black population was down 22 percent. Central Harlem’s white population rose 846 percent; the black share dropped 10 percent. In 2000, whites were about three-quarters of the black population in Brownsville-Ocean Hill; by 2015, there were twice as many whites as blacks.

In 2000, whites were one-third of the black population in Crown Heights North and Prospect Heights; now they exceed the black population by 20,000. The Brooklyn Navy Yards has now been declared the next cool place to be by the tech industry. Business owners are moving their residences as well as their enterprises to the area.


This demographic transformation has enormous implications for crime.

A black New Yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a shooting than a white New Yorker, according to perpetrator identifications provided to the police by witnesses to, and victims of, those shootings.

Those victims are overwhelmingly minority themselves.

When the racial balance of a neighborhood changes radically, given those crime disparities, its violent-crime rate will as well. (This racial crime disparity reflects the breakdown of the black family and the high percentage of black males — upwards of 80 percent in some neighborhoods — being raised by single mothers.)

----

The high-crime areas of Baltimore and Chicago have not been gentrified. Baltimore is experiencing its highest per capita murder rate for the third year in a row. While Chicago’s homicide numbers are down somewhat this year, thanks to the aggressive use of shot-spotter technology, they remain at a level far higher than in the past decade.

I totally agree, gentrification + policing are the main things that promoted New York as a "Model safe city".

Chicago's gun laws are almost as strict as New York, but it's in much worse shape merely because of less gentrification + less policing

And Baltimore's are stricter than both with a tiny population compared to those cities...and their murder rate is off the charts....also, notice Houston...gun stores on every corner, people can carry guns legally, easily, and they are on the border with the drug country of Mexico....unlike Baltimore..

Murder rate 2017
Baltimore......343
Population of cities 2016:

Chicago........2.7 million
L.A................3.9 million
N.Y................8.5 million
Houston........2.3 million
Baltimore......620,961


Murder rate 2016:

Chicago........765
L.A.......... .....293
N.Y................335
Houston .......301
Baltimore......318

 

[skookerasbil]

El Paso, Texas has a lot of guns, but a low murder rate.

I mean it really supports that guns don't have much of anything to do with murder rate correlations.

Holy Mother of God

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

El Paso, Texas has a lot of guns, but a low murder rate.

I mean it really supports that guns don't have much of anything to do with murder rate correlations.

Does it?

El Paso Texas has a low murder rate in the US, not compared to the rest of the first world.

El Paso's murder rate of 2.5 puts it ahead of every single first world country's murder rate, by quite a way too.

3 US cities over 250,000 people have a murder rate lower than the UK's murder rate.

Only three.

That's still a lower murder rate than New York, none the less.

Well, El Paso's a very heavily Hispanic city, it's close to gun free utopia Juarez, Mexico, one of the highest murder rate cities in the World.

So, actually it's pretty crazy that El Paso is so much lower in murder as it is.

 

[2aguy]

El Paso, Texas has a lot of guns, but a low murder rate.

I mean it really supports that guns don't have much of anything to do with murder rate correlations.

Does it?

El Paso Texas has a low murder rate in the US, not compared to the rest of the first world.

El Paso's murder rate of 2.5 puts it ahead of every single first world country's murder rate, by quite a way too.

3 US cities over 250,000 people have a murder rate lower than the UK's murder rate.

Only three.

That is because they are run by democrats...who keep letting violent criminals out of jail....don't worry....Britain has decided to let violent criminals out of their jails too...

Thousands of violent and sexual crime suspects released without conditions

Thousands of suspects in violent and sexual crimes have been released without conditions since changes to police bail came into effect, it has been reported.

More than 3,000 people were released under investigation for offences such as murder and rape by 12 police forces over a three-month period, according to the BBC.

Figures released to the broadcaster under the Freedom of Information Act, covering April to June 2017, found these included 1,692 people arrested for violent crimes, 768 rape suspects and 31 questioned on suspicion of murder.

 

[2aguy]

El Paso, Texas has a lot of guns, but a low murder rate.

I mean it really supports that guns don't have much of anything to do with murder rate correlations.

Does it?

El Paso Texas has a low murder rate in the US, not compared to the rest of the first world.

El Paso's murder rate of 2.5 puts it ahead of every single first world country's murder rate, by quite a way too.

3 US cities over 250,000 people have a murder rate lower than the UK's murder rate.

Only three.

That's still a lower murder rate than New York, none the less.

Well, El Paso's a very heavily Hispanic city, it's close to gun free utopia Juarez, Mexico, one of the highest murder rate cities in the World.

So, actually it's pretty crazy that El Paso is so much lower in murder as it is.

Britain is an island that banned and confiscated guns...and their gun crime rate is going up....

Our gun crime rate is going down...as over 17 million people carry guns for self defense.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

3 US cities over 250,000 people have a murder rate lower than the UK's murder rate.

Only three.

1.) Some UK cities like Birmingham, Glasgow, and Manchester have murder rates close to 5 out of 100,000.

2.) Who says the "Brits" and "Blacks" are the same in the U.S.A, as in the UK?
My impression is that both the "Brits" and "Blacks" in the U.S.A are much more aggressive than ones in the UK.

A lot of the Brits in the U.S.A were rugged frontiers people, in some cases like Georgia there were penal colonies of criminals.
As for Blacks, a lot more Blacks in the UK, came in as more creme of the crop migrations, in comparison to those in the U.S.A.