Looks Like the Trump Admin is Bringing Dark Secrets to The Light

[Slade3200]

Probably just shouldn’t lie to the FBI then. It’s not that hard

Worked for Hillary Clinton. Sally Yates lies under oath. User Clip: Yates LIES under oath
You don't mind lies at all. You lie yourself all the time. You back liars. Why you hold a grudge against Michael Flynn is a mystery except your tiny brain is fixated on it.

Easy - Can it be said that Flynn was a piece within the Domino structure in which they wanted to set up in a precise order, otherwise in hopes that the rest would fall, thus eventually getting to Trump their ultimate prize if pushed Flynn hard enough in the line up ???

Yes that could be said. Just like how the street guys are used to get the mob boss. If Trump was dirty then that would definitely be a tactic that would be considered. Is that kind of a tactic illegal/unethical?

Both if the ultimate target was innocent, and the ploy was purely political.

The ultimate target as you insist on calling it was just handed the keys tot he most powerful job in the world while being illegally Supported by a foreign government and was constantly lying to the American people about having contacts with that foreign government. Had Trump been honest and upfront about the Russian contacts and things went down the same way then I’d totally agree with you... but it was the lying, both with Trump and Flynn that warrants suspicion and investigation.

while being illegally Supported by a foreign government

Weaponized memes, very powerful!

and was constantly lying to the American people about having contacts with that foreign government.

Which illegal contacts were there?

You can play games by saying weaponized memes but the fact remains that every intelligence official and vast majority of congressional leaders from both sides who have seen the evidence support the seriousness of the election interference claims. It’s pretty funny to see People like you who are supposed to stand for strong borders and national security and law and order try and dismiss this problem because it doesn’t play well politically for Trump. Pretty pathetic actually.

Yes, a couple of thousand dollars in Facebook ads.
I'm surprised Hillary's $1 billion dollar plus in campaign spending was still able to get her to 227.

That’s fake news. I’m not explaining it again

 

[Leo123]

Asking questions is not setting traps.

That's wishful bull shit! Perjury trap - Wikipedia
The principle is well known...to everyone but you.

Flynn lied on his own free will

The FBI was perfectly aware they were entrapping Flynn and had to be careful about it.

Documents show FBI debated how to handle investigation of Michael Flynn

The four pages reflect bureau brainstorming about how to approach the Trump adviser’s contacts with the Russian ambassador.

www.politico.com

Ok so per your link this is what you are whining about?

“A perjury trap is a form of prosecutorial strategy, which is sometimes claimed to be prosecutorial misconduct in which a prosecutor calls a witness to testify, typically before a grand jury, with the intent of coercing the witness into perjury (intentional deceit under oath). Courts on state and federal levels almost never recognize such as inappropriate, doing so would in essence, condone perjury.”

That makes bo sense

Asking questions is not setting traps.

That's wishful bull shit! Perjury trap - Wikipedia
The principle is well known...to everyone but you.

Flynn lied on his own free will

The FBI was perfectly aware they were entrapping Flynn and had to be careful about it.

Documents show FBI debated how to handle investigation of Michael Flynn

The four pages reflect bureau brainstorming about how to approach the Trump adviser’s contacts with the Russian ambassador.

www.politico.com

Ok so per your link this is what you are whining about?

“A perjury trap is a form of prosecutorial strategy, which is sometimes claimed to be prosecutorial misconduct in which a prosecutor calls a witness to testify, typically before a grand jury, with the intent of coercing the witness into perjury (intentional deceit under oath). Courts on state and federal levels almost never recognize such as inappropriate, doing so would in essence, condone perjury.”

If you could just shut the media's mouth, and stop the leaks, the case may have stood, but the get Trump threats by the media in their gotcha now bullcrap (revealing methods and traps), just keeps backfiring and backfiring. Any day now.. rotflmbo.

The media have always been dishonest turfs. It’s not that hard to stay out of that vortex. Either way, our leaders should rise above, not stoop down to their level or in Trumps case... go below. It’s an embarrassment

Really? One would not know you thought the media was dishonest because your posts parrot what they say about Trump. The fact that Trump holds then to account IS rising above their distortions and lies.

if the media says the same stuff that im sayIng then that stuff is accurate. The media is mixed bag of accurate, hyperbolic and dishonest reporting.

The leftist shit 'bag' media says the same things you do. The same shit bag media that follows liars like Hillary, Schiff, Schumer, Pelosi and any other TDS politician and that parrots them. You parrot THOSE bags of shit.

 

[Slade3200]

All you do is hurl insults and contradict yourself. It’s getting real Boring

What? Not leaving like you said you were going to do, speaking of self contradiction?

You're a low IQ loser! Beat it, loser!

Wow, you got me there!! Congrats, go get yourself a cookie

 

[Slade3200]

Asking questions is not setting traps.

That's wishful bull shit! Perjury trap - Wikipedia
The principle is well known...to everyone but you.

Flynn lied on his own free will

The FBI was perfectly aware they were entrapping Flynn and had to be careful about it.

Documents show FBI debated how to handle investigation of Michael Flynn

The four pages reflect bureau brainstorming about how to approach the Trump adviser’s contacts with the Russian ambassador.

www.politico.com

Ok so per your link this is what you are whining about?

“A perjury trap is a form of prosecutorial strategy, which is sometimes claimed to be prosecutorial misconduct in which a prosecutor calls a witness to testify, typically before a grand jury, with the intent of coercing the witness into perjury (intentional deceit under oath). Courts on state and federal levels almost never recognize such as inappropriate, doing so would in essence, condone perjury.”

That makes bo sense

Asking questions is not setting traps.

That's wishful bull shit! Perjury trap - Wikipedia
The principle is well known...to everyone but you.

Flynn lied on his own free will

The FBI was perfectly aware they were entrapping Flynn and had to be careful about it.

Documents show FBI debated how to handle investigation of Michael Flynn

The four pages reflect bureau brainstorming about how to approach the Trump adviser’s contacts with the Russian ambassador.

www.politico.com

Ok so per your link this is what you are whining about?

“A perjury trap is a form of prosecutorial strategy, which is sometimes claimed to be prosecutorial misconduct in which a prosecutor calls a witness to testify, typically before a grand jury, with the intent of coercing the witness into perjury (intentional deceit under oath). Courts on state and federal levels almost never recognize such as inappropriate, doing so would in essence, condone perjury.”

If you could just shut the media's mouth, and stop the leaks, the case may have stood, but the get Trump threats by the media in their gotcha now bullcrap (revealing methods and traps), just keeps backfiring and backfiring. Any day now.. rotflmbo.

The media have always been dishonest turfs. It’s not that hard to stay out of that vortex. Either way, our leaders should rise above, not stoop down to their level or in Trumps case... go below. It’s an embarrassment

Really? One would not know you thought the media was dishonest because your posts parrot what they say about Trump. The fact that Trump holds then to account IS rising above their distortions and lies.

if the media says the same stuff that im sayIng then that stuff is accurate. The media is mixed bag of accurate, hyperbolic and dishonest reporting.

The leftist shit 'bag' media says the same things you do. The same shit bag media that follows liars like Hillary, Schiff, Schumer, Pelosi and any other TDS politician and that parrots them. You parrot THOSE bags of shit.

I don’t parrot shit, I call it like I see it... I can’t help it if trump and his puppets call everything a lie.

 

[Leo123]

Asking questions is not setting traps.

That's wishful bull shit! Perjury trap - Wikipedia
The principle is well known...to everyone but you.

Flynn lied on his own free will

The FBI was perfectly aware they were entrapping Flynn and had to be careful about it.

Documents show FBI debated how to handle investigation of Michael Flynn

The four pages reflect bureau brainstorming about how to approach the Trump adviser’s contacts with the Russian ambassador.

www.politico.com

Ok so per your link this is what you are whining about?

“A perjury trap is a form of prosecutorial strategy, which is sometimes claimed to be prosecutorial misconduct in which a prosecutor calls a witness to testify, typically before a grand jury, with the intent of coercing the witness into perjury (intentional deceit under oath). Courts on state and federal levels almost never recognize such as inappropriate, doing so would in essence, condone perjury.”

That makes bo sense

Asking questions is not setting traps.

That's wishful bull shit! Perjury trap - Wikipedia
The principle is well known...to everyone but you.

Flynn lied on his own free will

The FBI was perfectly aware they were entrapping Flynn and had to be careful about it.

Documents show FBI debated how to handle investigation of Michael Flynn

The four pages reflect bureau brainstorming about how to approach the Trump adviser’s contacts with the Russian ambassador.

www.politico.com

Ok so per your link this is what you are whining about?

“A perjury trap is a form of prosecutorial strategy, which is sometimes claimed to be prosecutorial misconduct in which a prosecutor calls a witness to testify, typically before a grand jury, with the intent of coercing the witness into perjury (intentional deceit under oath). Courts on state and federal levels almost never recognize such as inappropriate, doing so would in essence, condone perjury.”

If you could just shut the media's mouth, and stop the leaks, the case may have stood, but the get Trump threats by the media in their gotcha now bullcrap (revealing methods and traps), just keeps backfiring and backfiring. Any day now.. rotflmbo.

The media have always been dishonest turfs. It’s not that hard to stay out of that vortex. Either way, our leaders should rise above, not stoop down to their level or in Trumps case... go below. It’s an embarrassment

Really? One would not know you thought the media was dishonest because your posts parrot what they say about Trump. The fact that Trump holds then to account IS rising above their distortions and lies.

if the media says the same stuff that im sayIng then that stuff is accurate. The media is mixed bag of accurate, hyperbolic and dishonest reporting.

The leftist shit 'bag' media says the same things you do. The same shit bag media that follows liars like Hillary, Schiff, Schumer, Pelosi and any other TDS politician and that parrots them. You parrot THOSE bags of shit.

I don’t parrot shit, I call it like I see it... I can’t help it if trump and his puppets call everything a lie.

No one called 'everything a lie' that is an irresponsible blanket statement. The same kind of statement the lamestream media makes and you're here squawking out the same shit.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

There are many comments on CNN and MSDNC that are going to come back and bite these liars that are on tape. They wont be able to hide from them.

They are like animals and children in that respect. They live entirely in the moment and do or say whatever they think they need to sayor do in that moment.

Do you think Rachel Maddow or Stelter is hiding from their 100% false Russia Gate b.s. they regurgitated
for several years? They don't care.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Withholding exculpatory evidence is not fine. What you’re pointing to is not exculpatory evidence

What you’re pointing to is not exculpatory evidence

Why not?

Because it was an internal memo. I thought you were a prosecutor. You don’t know this?

Because it was an internal memo.

An internal memo, a week after the phone call, saying …...

"The absence of any derogatory information or lead information from these logical sources reduce the number of investigative avenues and techniques to pursue. Per the direction of FBI management, Crossfire Razor was not interviewed as part of the case closing procedure. The FBI is closing this investigation," the agent wrote on Jan. 4, 2017.

That's exculpatory. You don't know this?

Those communications are internal deliberations, not public record to be shared in court. Are you high?

B. What to Review


To ensure that all discovery is disclosed on a timely basis, generally all potentially discoverable material within the custody or control of the prosecution team should be reviewed2. The review process should cover the following areas:


1. The Investigative Agency’s Files: With respect to Department of Justice law enforcement agencies, with limited exceptions3, the prosecutor should be granted access to the substantive case file and any other file or document the prosecutor has reason to believe may contain discoverable information related to the matter being prosecuted.4 Therefore, the prosecutor can personally review the file or documents or may choose to request production of potentially discoverable materials from the case agents. With respect to outside agencies, the prosecutor should request access to files and/or production of all potentially discoverable material. The investigative agency’s entire investigative file, including documents such as FBI Electronic Communications (ECs), inserts, emails, etc. should be reviewed for discoverable information. If such information is contained in a document that the agency deems to be an “internal” document such as an email, an insert, an administrative document, or an EC, it may not be necessary to produce the internal document, but it will be necessary to produce all of the discoverable information contained in it. Prosecutors should also discuss with the investigative agency whether files from other investigations or non-investigative files such as confidential source files might contain discoverable information. Those additional files or relevant portions thereof should also be reviewed as necessary.

…..

Prosecutors should never describe the discovery being provided as “open file.” Even if the prosecutor intends to provide expansive discovery, it is always possible that something will be inadvertently omitted from production and the prosecutor will then have unintentionally misrepresented the scope of materials provided. Furthermore, because the concept of the “file” is imprecise, such a representation exposes the prosecutor to broader disclosure requirements than intended or to sanction for failure to disclose documents, e.g. agent notes or internal memos, that the court may deem to have been part of the “file.”

…..

C. Form of Disclosure: There may be instances when it is not advisable to turn over discoverable information in its original form, such as when the disclosure would create security concerns or when such information is contained in attorney notes, internal agency documents, confidential source documents, Suspicious Activity Reports, etc. If discoverable information is not provided in its original form and is instead provided in a letter to defense counsel, including particular language, where pertinent, prosecutors should take great care to ensure that the full scope of pertinent information is provided to the defendant.

.....

5. Substantive Case-Related Communications: “Substantive” case-related communications may contain discoverable information. Those communications that contain discoverable information should be maintained in the case file or otherwise preserved in a manner that associates them with the case or investigation. “Substantive” case-related communications are most likely to occur (1) among prosecutors and/or agents, (2) between prosecutors and/or agents and witnesses and/or victims, and (3) between victim-witness coordinators and witnesses and/or victims. Such communications may be memorialized in emails, memoranda, or notes. “Substantive” communications include factual reports about investigative activity, factual discussions of the relative merits of evidence, factual information obtained during interviews or interactions with witnesses/victims, and factual issues relating to credibility. Communications involving case impressions or investigative or prosecutive strategies without more would not ordinarily be considered discoverable, but substantive case-related communications should be reviewed carefully to determine whether all or part of a communication (or the information contained therein) should be disclosed.

MEMORANDUM FOR DEPARTMENT PROSECUTORS

www.justice.gov

Those communications are internal deliberations, not public record to be shared in court.

I didn't see backup for your claim at the above link. But plenty that disagrees.
Maybe you'll have better luck?

Thank you! You made my point for me and cited the law. Substantive material includes factual discussion of evidence. Not opinions on how to adjudicate like you are trying to claim is relevant

“Substantive” case-related communications are most likely to occur (1) among prosecutors and/or agents

The absence of any derogatory information or lead information from these logical sources reduce the number of investigative avenues and techniques to pursue. Per the direction of FBI management, Crossfire Razor was not interviewed as part of the case closing procedure. The FBI is closing this investigation," the agent wrote on Jan. 4, 2017.

Absence of derogatory evidence....The FBI is closing this investigation

Looks substantive to me.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Probably just shouldn’t lie to the FBI then. It’s not that hard

Worked for Hillary Clinton. Sally Yates lies under oath. User Clip: Yates LIES under oath
You don't mind lies at all. You lie yourself all the time. You back liars. Why you hold a grudge against Michael Flynn is a mystery except your tiny brain is fixated on it.

Easy - Can it be said that Flynn was a piece within the Domino structure in which they wanted to set up in a precise order, otherwise in hopes that the rest would fall, thus eventually getting to Trump their ultimate prize if pushed Flynn hard enough in the line up ???

Yes that could be said. Just like how the street guys are used to get the mob boss. If Trump was dirty then that would definitely be a tactic that would be considered. Is that kind of a tactic illegal/unethical?

Both if the ultimate target was innocent, and the ploy was purely political.

The ultimate target as you insist on calling it was just handed the keys tot he most powerful job in the world while being illegally Supported by a foreign government and was constantly lying to the American people about having contacts with that foreign government. Had Trump been honest and upfront about the Russian contacts and things went down the same way then I’d totally agree with you... but it was the lying, both with Trump and Flynn that warrants suspicion and investigation.

while being illegally Supported by a foreign government

Weaponized memes, very powerful!

and was constantly lying to the American people about having contacts with that foreign government.

Which illegal contacts were there?

You can play games by saying weaponized memes but the fact remains that every intelligence official and vast majority of congressional leaders from both sides who have seen the evidence support the seriousness of the election interference claims. It’s pretty funny to see People like you who are supposed to stand for strong borders and national security and law and order try and dismiss this problem because it doesn’t play well politically for Trump. Pretty pathetic actually.

Yes, a couple of thousand dollars in Facebook ads.
I'm surprised Hillary's $1 billion dollar plus in campaign spending was still able to get her to 227.

That’s fake news. I’m not explaining it again

That’s fake news.

Clinton and her super-PACs raised a total of $1.2 billion

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

I’m not explaining it again

Durr.

 

[Slade3200]

Asking questions is not setting traps.

That's wishful bull shit! Perjury trap - Wikipedia
The principle is well known...to everyone but you.

Flynn lied on his own free will

The FBI was perfectly aware they were entrapping Flynn and had to be careful about it.

Documents show FBI debated how to handle investigation of Michael Flynn

The four pages reflect bureau brainstorming about how to approach the Trump adviser’s contacts with the Russian ambassador.

www.politico.com

Ok so per your link this is what you are whining about?

“A perjury trap is a form of prosecutorial strategy, which is sometimes claimed to be prosecutorial misconduct in which a prosecutor calls a witness to testify, typically before a grand jury, with the intent of coercing the witness into perjury (intentional deceit under oath). Courts on state and federal levels almost never recognize such as inappropriate, doing so would in essence, condone perjury.”

That makes bo sense

Asking questions is not setting traps.

That's wishful bull shit! Perjury trap - Wikipedia
The principle is well known...to everyone but you.

Flynn lied on his own free will

The FBI was perfectly aware they were entrapping Flynn and had to be careful about it.

Documents show FBI debated how to handle investigation of Michael Flynn

The four pages reflect bureau brainstorming about how to approach the Trump adviser’s contacts with the Russian ambassador.

www.politico.com

Ok so per your link this is what you are whining about?

“A perjury trap is a form of prosecutorial strategy, which is sometimes claimed to be prosecutorial misconduct in which a prosecutor calls a witness to testify, typically before a grand jury, with the intent of coercing the witness into perjury (intentional deceit under oath). Courts on state and federal levels almost never recognize such as inappropriate, doing so would in essence, condone perjury.”

If you could just shut the media's mouth, and stop the leaks, the case may have stood, but the get Trump threats by the media in their gotcha now bullcrap (revealing methods and traps), just keeps backfiring and backfiring. Any day now.. rotflmbo.

The media have always been dishonest turfs. It’s not that hard to stay out of that vortex. Either way, our leaders should rise above, not stoop down to their level or in Trumps case... go below. It’s an embarrassment

Really? One would not know you thought the media was dishonest because your posts parrot what they say about Trump. The fact that Trump holds then to account IS rising above their distortions and lies.

if the media says the same stuff that im sayIng then that stuff is accurate. The media is mixed bag of accurate, hyperbolic and dishonest reporting.

The leftist shit 'bag' media says the same things you do. The same shit bag media that follows liars like Hillary, Schiff, Schumer, Pelosi and any other TDS politician and that parrots them. You parrot THOSE bags of shit.

I don’t parrot shit, I call it like I see it... I can’t help it if trump and his puppets call everything a lie.

No one called 'everything a lie' that is an irresponsible blanket statement. The same kind of statement the lamestream media makes and you're here squawking out the same shit.

Yes I agree not everything is anything. So why are you wasting time trying to say I’m parroting lies from the media? How about you just stick the the things I say and refute what you can if you can

 

[iceberg]

Withholding exculpatory evidence is not fine. What you’re pointing to is not exculpatory evidence

What you’re pointing to is not exculpatory evidence

Why not?

Because it was an internal memo. I thought you were a prosecutor. You don’t know this?

Because it was an internal memo.

An internal memo, a week after the phone call, saying …...

"The absence of any derogatory information or lead information from these logical sources reduce the number of investigative avenues and techniques to pursue. Per the direction of FBI management, Crossfire Razor was not interviewed as part of the case closing procedure. The FBI is closing this investigation," the agent wrote on Jan. 4, 2017.

That's exculpatory. You don't know this?

Those communications are internal deliberations, not public record to be shared in court. Are you high?

so let me be clear - you can talk about crimes all you want privately and then go out and do them and no one has a right to see you were talking about them ahead of time.

circular logic crashes into itself yet again.

seems like someone making you their bitch has become the forum hobby.

 

[Leo123]

Asking questions is not setting traps.

That's wishful bull shit! Perjury trap - Wikipedia
The principle is well known...to everyone but you.

Flynn lied on his own free will

The FBI was perfectly aware they were entrapping Flynn and had to be careful about it.

Documents show FBI debated how to handle investigation of Michael Flynn

The four pages reflect bureau brainstorming about how to approach the Trump adviser’s contacts with the Russian ambassador.

www.politico.com

Ok so per your link this is what you are whining about?

“A perjury trap is a form of prosecutorial strategy, which is sometimes claimed to be prosecutorial misconduct in which a prosecutor calls a witness to testify, typically before a grand jury, with the intent of coercing the witness into perjury (intentional deceit under oath). Courts on state and federal levels almost never recognize such as inappropriate, doing so would in essence, condone perjury.”

That makes bo sense

Asking questions is not setting traps.

That's wishful bull shit! Perjury trap - Wikipedia
The principle is well known...to everyone but you.

Flynn lied on his own free will

The FBI was perfectly aware they were entrapping Flynn and had to be careful about it.

Documents show FBI debated how to handle investigation of Michael Flynn

The four pages reflect bureau brainstorming about how to approach the Trump adviser’s contacts with the Russian ambassador.

www.politico.com

Ok so per your link this is what you are whining about?

“A perjury trap is a form of prosecutorial strategy, which is sometimes claimed to be prosecutorial misconduct in which a prosecutor calls a witness to testify, typically before a grand jury, with the intent of coercing the witness into perjury (intentional deceit under oath). Courts on state and federal levels almost never recognize such as inappropriate, doing so would in essence, condone perjury.”

If you could just shut the media's mouth, and stop the leaks, the case may have stood, but the get Trump threats by the media in their gotcha now bullcrap (revealing methods and traps), just keeps backfiring and backfiring. Any day now.. rotflmbo.

The media have always been dishonest turfs. It’s not that hard to stay out of that vortex. Either way, our leaders should rise above, not stoop down to their level or in Trumps case... go below. It’s an embarrassment

Really? One would not know you thought the media was dishonest because your posts parrot what they say about Trump. The fact that Trump holds then to account IS rising above their distortions and lies.

if the media says the same stuff that im sayIng then that stuff is accurate. The media is mixed bag of accurate, hyperbolic and dishonest reporting.

The leftist shit 'bag' media says the same things you do. The same shit bag media that follows liars like Hillary, Schiff, Schumer, Pelosi and any other TDS politician and that parrots them. You parrot THOSE bags of shit.

I don’t parrot shit, I call it like I see it... I can’t help it if trump and his puppets call everything a lie.

No one called 'everything a lie' that is an irresponsible blanket statement. The same kind of statement the lamestream media makes and you're here squawking out the same shit.

Yes I agree not everything is anything. So why are you wasting time trying to say I’m parroting lies from the media? How about you just stick the the things I say and refute what you can if you can

I have already refuted what you posted. You keep parroting the same media talking points. There was a concerted effort to get rid of Flynn. The FBI did not use protocol when interviewing Flynn, they told him he did not need a lawyer, they pretended it was just a chat, did not offer his Miranda rights and memos have surfaced they were trying to get him to lie about information they already had. Also Obama was in on it. Now, you say none of that is a big deal but given everything that the Democrats have tried, it fits right in with with their conspiracy to unseat Trump. You had a US Representative (Adam Schiff) reading what he purported to be a transcript of Trump's Ukraine call and outright lying about what was said. You had Shumer and Pelosi declaring that Trump was 'unfit'......Also Obama fired Flynn for coming down hard on radical Muslims. What was he doing wanting to be 'in the loop' in the FBI's 'Razor' scheme? Flynn did noting wrong and was representing the new administration and to powerful Democrats that was enough to set him up. The FBI had no cause to investigate him they just wanted him out of the way.

 

[Andylusion]

This is where your narrative falls apart. Flynn wasn’t under any of that pressure at the time
of the interview when he LIED. If the FBI used that lie to try and extract more information from him in a way that fell
outside the law then the FBI should be held to account. That’s a separate issue and it does not exonerate Flynn for the crime he committed. Keep trying to muddy the water by conflating the two issues though. You’re totally fooling us all!

The FBI has been held to account. That's why the prosecutor in the Flynn case threw in the towel and the case against Flynn has been dropped. It's been nice chatting.

the prosecutor in the Flynn case quit in rebellion of the action, then that cleared Barr's guys to withdraw the prosecution against Flynn, right after he quit.

much like the prosecutors over the Roger Stone case quit, the day Barr's guys came in and changed the recommended sentence under the guidelines to a ''cushy'' lower sentence for the president's ''friend''.


dirty is, as dirty does

crooked is, as crooked does....

I can't comprehend how even you guys don't see this.....?

"Van Grack has long informed Sullivan that the government’s so-called "Brady" obligations, referring to prosecutors' duty to turn over exculpatory materials to defendants, have been met. In an October 2019 filing, Van Grack denied governmental misconduct and assured the court that the government “has complied, and will continue to comply, with its discovery and disclosure obligations, including those imposed pursuant to Brady and the Court’s Standing Order.”

"What Van Grack didn’t inform the court about – and didn’t provide to Flynn – was the newly unsealed January 4, 2017 "Closing Communication" from the FBI Washington Field Office, which recommended the FBI close its investigation of Flynn, as its exhaustive search through government databases “did not yield any information on which to predicate further investigative efforts."

Flynn bombshells cast doubt on Mueller prosecutor Brandon Van Grack's compliance with court order

Newly unsealed bombshell evidence documenting the FBI's efforts to target national security adviser Michael Flynn -- including a top official's memo debating whether their "goal" was "to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired" -- calls into question whether Brandon Van Grack, a...

www.foxnews.com

So WTF? Grack suddenly denied exculpatory materials to Flynn? Why? Seriously, can anyone here answer that question?

Grack believed that he had no obligation to give these as Flynn accepted a plea agreement. This was in erorr as the court ordered "all relevant exculpatory evidence" handed over, which they to this day did not until it was redacted and released by Barr. Grack violated the courts order in no uncertain terms and Sullivan is very upset at this point. I fully expect Sullivan to throw out the whole case as criminal misconduct by the state. I hope he takes off a few heads when he does it and forwards them for prosecution themselves for framing Flynn.

Couldn't say if sufficient evidence exists that will stand up in court, but I would say that the applicable lawyers should at the least lose their license to practice law. Can they do that at the federal level? It might be a state by state issue, and the blue states won't do that; looks bad don't you know for the party.

But the whole mess stinks to high heaven. To me, this is worse than Watergate, which of course was an actual crime but a victimless one. No one was hurt and damaged in any way by Watergate except for the tarnished reputations on those involved. But this time, the reputations of some of our most trusted institutions have been severely damaged, and it will be quite some time before that trust is restored. Which BTW Mr Wray is not doing so well at.

You’re right about on thing... trust is broken. When we have a POTUS and a NSA lying to the public and lying to FBI agents in the course of an investigation we have a big problem.

Then maybe the Democrats should not have a run a non-stop serial liar, and had a person that instigated a lack of trust for 8 years.

I don’t see how that’s relevant at all. Are you making the point that since you didn’t trust Obama it’s a free pass for republicans to lie without consequence?

What goes around, comes around.
Welcome to politics. You reap what you sow. You let your guys lie non-stop, and then complain others are doing what you yourself have done for decades? Oh well.

 

[iceberg]

Asking questions is not setting traps.

That's wishful bull shit! Perjury trap - Wikipedia
The principle is well known...to everyone but you.

Flynn lied on his own free will

The FBI was perfectly aware they were entrapping Flynn and had to be careful about it.

Documents show FBI debated how to handle investigation of Michael Flynn

The four pages reflect bureau brainstorming about how to approach the Trump adviser’s contacts with the Russian ambassador.

www.politico.com

Ok so per your link this is what you are whining about?

“A perjury trap is a form of prosecutorial strategy, which is sometimes claimed to be prosecutorial misconduct in which a prosecutor calls a witness to testify, typically before a grand jury, with the intent of coercing the witness into perjury (intentional deceit under oath). Courts on state and federal levels almost never recognize such as inappropriate, doing so would in essence, condone perjury.”

That makes bo sense

Asking questions is not setting traps.

That's wishful bull shit! Perjury trap - Wikipedia
The principle is well known...to everyone but you.

Flynn lied on his own free will

The FBI was perfectly aware they were entrapping Flynn and had to be careful about it.

Documents show FBI debated how to handle investigation of Michael Flynn

The four pages reflect bureau brainstorming about how to approach the Trump adviser’s contacts with the Russian ambassador.

www.politico.com

Ok so per your link this is what you are whining about?

“A perjury trap is a form of prosecutorial strategy, which is sometimes claimed to be prosecutorial misconduct in which a prosecutor calls a witness to testify, typically before a grand jury, with the intent of coercing the witness into perjury (intentional deceit under oath). Courts on state and federal levels almost never recognize such as inappropriate, doing so would in essence, condone perjury.”

If you could just shut the media's mouth, and stop the leaks, the case may have stood, but the get Trump threats by the media in their gotcha now bullcrap (revealing methods and traps), just keeps backfiring and backfiring. Any day now.. rotflmbo.

The media have always been dishonest turfs. It’s not that hard to stay out of that vortex. Either way, our leaders should rise above, not stoop down to their level or in Trumps case... go below. It’s an embarrassment

Really? One would not know you thought the media was dishonest because your posts parrot what they say about Trump. The fact that Trump holds then to account IS rising above their distortions and lies.

if the media says the same stuff that im sayIng then that stuff is accurate. The media is mixed bag of accurate, hyperbolic and dishonest reporting.

The leftist shit 'bag' media says the same things you do. The same shit bag media that follows liars like Hillary, Schiff, Schumer, Pelosi and any other TDS politician and that parrots them. You parrot THOSE bags of shit.

I don’t parrot shit, I call it like I see it... I can’t help it if trump and his puppets call everything a lie.

You'd never do that would you?

 

[Faun]

Asking questions is not setting traps.

That's wishful bull shit! Perjury trap - Wikipedia
The principle is well known...to everyone but you.

Flynn lied on his own free will

The FBI was perfectly aware they were entrapping Flynn and had to be careful about it.

Documents show FBI debated how to handle investigation of Michael Flynn

The four pages reflect bureau brainstorming about how to approach the Trump adviser’s contacts with the Russian ambassador.

www.politico.com

Ok so per your link this is what you are whining about?

“A perjury trap is a form of prosecutorial strategy, which is sometimes claimed to be prosecutorial misconduct in which a prosecutor calls a witness to testify, typically before a grand jury, with the intent of coercing the witness into perjury (intentional deceit under oath). Courts on state and federal levels almost never recognize such as inappropriate, doing so would in essence, condone perjury.”

That makes bo sense

Asking questions is not setting traps.

That's wishful bull shit! Perjury trap - Wikipedia
The principle is well known...to everyone but you.

Flynn lied on his own free will

The FBI was perfectly aware they were entrapping Flynn and had to be careful about it.

Documents show FBI debated how to handle investigation of Michael Flynn

The four pages reflect bureau brainstorming about how to approach the Trump adviser’s contacts with the Russian ambassador.

www.politico.com

Ok so per your link this is what you are whining about?

“A perjury trap is a form of prosecutorial strategy, which is sometimes claimed to be prosecutorial misconduct in which a prosecutor calls a witness to testify, typically before a grand jury, with the intent of coercing the witness into perjury (intentional deceit under oath). Courts on state and federal levels almost never recognize such as inappropriate, doing so would in essence, condone perjury.”

If you could just shut the media's mouth, and stop the leaks, the case may have stood, but the get Trump threats by the media in their gotcha now bullcrap (revealing methods and traps), just keeps backfiring and backfiring. Any day now.. rotflmbo.

The media have always been dishonest turfs. It’s not that hard to stay out of that vortex. Either way, our leaders should rise above, not stoop down to their level or in Trumps case... go below. It’s an embarrassment

Really? One would not know you thought the media was dishonest because your posts parrot what they say about Trump. The fact that Trump holds then to account IS rising above their distortions and lies.

if the media says the same stuff that im sayIng then that stuff is accurate. The media is mixed bag of accurate, hyperbolic and dishonest reporting.

The leftist shit 'bag' media says the same things you do. The same shit bag media that follows liars like Hillary, Schiff, Schumer, Pelosi and any other TDS politician and that parrots them. You parrot THOSE bags of shit.

I don’t parrot shit, I call it like I see it... I can’t help it if trump and his puppets call everything a lie.

No one called 'everything a lie' that is an irresponsible blanket statement. The same kind of statement the lamestream media makes and you're here squawking out the same shit.

Yes I agree not everything is anything. So why are you wasting time trying to say I’m parroting lies from the media? How about you just stick the the things I say and refute what you can if you can

I have already refuted what you posted. You keep parroting the same media talking points. There was a concerted effort to get rid of Flynn. The FBI did not use protocol when interviewing Flynn, they told him he did not need a lawyer, they pretended it was just a chat, did not offer his Miranda rights and memos have surfaced they were trying to get him to lie about information they already had. Also Obama was in on it. Now, you say none of that is a big deal but given everything that the Democrats have tried, it fits right in with with their conspiracy to unseat Trump. You had a US Representative (Adam Schiff) reading what he purported to be a transcript of Trump's Ukraine call and outright lying about what was said. You had Shumer and Pelosi declaring that Trump was 'unfit'......Also Obama fired Flynn for coming down hard on radical Muslims. What was he doing wanting to be 'in the loop' in the FBI's 'Razor' scheme? Flynn did noting wrong and was representing the new administration and to powerful Democrats that was enough to set him up. The FBI had no cause to investigate him they just wanted him out of the way.

Flynn was not in custody. There was nothing compelling the FBI to read him his Miranda rights.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

if the media says the same stuff that im sayIng then that stuff is accurate. The media is mixed bag of accurate, hyperbolic and dishonest reporting.

I just read and realized how delusional and self congratulatory your comment is/was. It verges on satire but I
don't think you are clever or self aware enough for that.

 

[iceberg]

if the media says the same stuff that im sayIng then that stuff is accurate. The media is mixed bag of accurate, hyperbolic and dishonest reporting.

I just read and realized how delusional and self congratulatory your comment is/was. It verges on satire but I
don't think you are clever or self aware enough for that.

he really hates it when you see right through him like that.

 

[beagle9]

That’s a great analogy except you’re the one going after mama for spying, right? It kinda fits your gripe perfectly. Nice one

No, fool. YOU were the one whining that our president has broken trust with the people when it was Obama and his underlings who set traps to ensnare Michael Flynn so they could take down Trump.

Once more you prove yourself incapable of understanding the simplest of concepts and analogies.

Trump absolutely has broken trust with the American people, the guy can’t be honest to save his life. I don’t know why you think pointing at anything Obama makes a relevant point. Obama’s actions don’t excuse or justify anything trump does. He’s responsible for his own shit

Is Trump lying under duress ?? If you were attacked as often as him by the left who lies all the time, maybe fighting fire with fire is at hand.. lol

You go Trump, and just keep'em guessing, whining, lying, and worrying themselves into a state of delirium... LOL Wait he's doing that already.

Maybe fight Fire with Fire is at hand?! Ok at least you’re being honest about his lying. I guess since others lie about Trump then it’s ok for him to lie as POTUS to the world. That’s for straightening that out

Didn't say he was lying, but just pointing out the hypocrisy on the left who thinks it's ok to lie, but hate it when they "think" someone is lying to them.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Didn't say he was lying, but just pointing out the hypocrisy on the left who thinks it's ok to lie, but hate it when they "think" someone is lying to them.

I don't like typecasting but the left treats lying the same way they deal with racism: they assume everyone is a lying (or a racist) because that's how they operate. They have no other frame of reference.

How can anyone take seriously the left knowing what they tried to do to undermine and depose Trump and how they are now going crazy because of so called lies Flynn told. The hypocrisy is stunning!


Insanity.

 

[Slade3200]

Asking questions is not setting traps.

That's wishful bull shit! Perjury trap - Wikipedia
The principle is well known...to everyone but you.

Flynn lied on his own free will

The FBI was perfectly aware they were entrapping Flynn and had to be careful about it.

Documents show FBI debated how to handle investigation of Michael Flynn

The four pages reflect bureau brainstorming about how to approach the Trump adviser’s contacts with the Russian ambassador.

www.politico.com

Ok so per your link this is what you are whining about?

“A perjury trap is a form of prosecutorial strategy, which is sometimes claimed to be prosecutorial misconduct in which a prosecutor calls a witness to testify, typically before a grand jury, with the intent of coercing the witness into perjury (intentional deceit under oath). Courts on state and federal levels almost never recognize such as inappropriate, doing so would in essence, condone perjury.”

That makes bo sense

Asking questions is not setting traps.

That's wishful bull shit! Perjury trap - Wikipedia
The principle is well known...to everyone but you.

Flynn lied on his own free will

The FBI was perfectly aware they were entrapping Flynn and had to be careful about it.

Documents show FBI debated how to handle investigation of Michael Flynn

The four pages reflect bureau brainstorming about how to approach the Trump adviser’s contacts with the Russian ambassador.

www.politico.com

Ok so per your link this is what you are whining about?

“A perjury trap is a form of prosecutorial strategy, which is sometimes claimed to be prosecutorial misconduct in which a prosecutor calls a witness to testify, typically before a grand jury, with the intent of coercing the witness into perjury (intentional deceit under oath). Courts on state and federal levels almost never recognize such as inappropriate, doing so would in essence, condone perjury.”

If you could just shut the media's mouth, and stop the leaks, the case may have stood, but the get Trump threats by the media in their gotcha now bullcrap (revealing methods and traps), just keeps backfiring and backfiring. Any day now.. rotflmbo.

The media have always been dishonest turfs. It’s not that hard to stay out of that vortex. Either way, our leaders should rise above, not stoop down to their level or in Trumps case... go below. It’s an embarrassment

Really? One would not know you thought the media was dishonest because your posts parrot what they say about Trump. The fact that Trump holds then to account IS rising above their distortions and lies.

if the media says the same stuff that im sayIng then that stuff is accurate. The media is mixed bag of accurate, hyperbolic and dishonest reporting.

The leftist shit 'bag' media says the same things you do. The same shit bag media that follows liars like Hillary, Schiff, Schumer, Pelosi and any other TDS politician and that parrots them. You parrot THOSE bags of shit.

I don’t parrot shit, I call it like I see it... I can’t help it if trump and his puppets call everything a lie.

No one called 'everything a lie' that is an irresponsible blanket statement. The same kind of statement the lamestream media makes and you're here squawking out the same shit.

Yes I agree not everything is anything. So why are you wasting time trying to say I’m parroting lies from the media? How about you just stick the the things I say and refute what you can if you can

I have already refuted what you posted. You keep parroting the same media talking points. There was a concerted effort to get rid of Flynn. The FBI did not use protocol when interviewing Flynn, they told him he did not need a lawyer, they pretended it was just a chat, did not offer his Miranda rights and memos have surfaced they were trying to get him to lie about information they already had. Also Obama was in on it. Now, you say none of that is a big deal but given everything that the Democrats have tried, it fits right in with with their conspiracy to unseat Trump. You had a US Representative (Adam Schiff) reading what he purported to be a transcript of Trump's Ukraine call and outright lying about what was said. You had Shumer and Pelosi declaring that Trump was 'unfit'......Also Obama fired Flynn for coming down hard on radical Muslims. What was he doing wanting to be 'in the loop' in the FBI's 'Razor' scheme? Flynn did noting wrong and was representing the new administration and to powerful Democrats that was enough to set him up. The FBI had no cause to investigate him they just wanted him out of the way.

Dude you lie in your first sentence. They told him he could bring a lawyer. That’s a fact, stop acting like they tricked him, stop lying! Flynn said in court that the FBI did not trap him and he knew the consequences of lying. Jesus Christ. Stop spreading fake shit! Flynn lied by choice not by force. He has a history of it. The FBI tried and leverage that lie to get as much info as they could. You may think they pushed to hard... that’s fine, we can have that debate. But come back to fucking earth.

 

[Slade3200]

This is where your narrative falls apart. Flynn wasn’t under any of that pressure at the time
of the interview when he LIED. If the FBI used that lie to try and extract more information from him in a way that fell
outside the law then the FBI should be held to account. That’s a separate issue and it does not exonerate Flynn for the crime he committed. Keep trying to muddy the water by conflating the two issues though. You’re totally fooling us all!

The FBI has been held to account. That's why the prosecutor in the Flynn case threw in the towel and the case against Flynn has been dropped. It's been nice chatting.

the prosecutor in the Flynn case quit in rebellion of the action, then that cleared Barr's guys to withdraw the prosecution against Flynn, right after he quit.

much like the prosecutors over the Roger Stone case quit, the day Barr's guys came in and changed the recommended sentence under the guidelines to a ''cushy'' lower sentence for the president's ''friend''.


dirty is, as dirty does

crooked is, as crooked does....

I can't comprehend how even you guys don't see this.....?

"Van Grack has long informed Sullivan that the government’s so-called "Brady" obligations, referring to prosecutors' duty to turn over exculpatory materials to defendants, have been met. In an October 2019 filing, Van Grack denied governmental misconduct and assured the court that the government “has complied, and will continue to comply, with its discovery and disclosure obligations, including those imposed pursuant to Brady and the Court’s Standing Order.”

"What Van Grack didn’t inform the court about – and didn’t provide to Flynn – was the newly unsealed January 4, 2017 "Closing Communication" from the FBI Washington Field Office, which recommended the FBI close its investigation of Flynn, as its exhaustive search through government databases “did not yield any information on which to predicate further investigative efforts."

Flynn bombshells cast doubt on Mueller prosecutor Brandon Van Grack's compliance with court order

Newly unsealed bombshell evidence documenting the FBI's efforts to target national security adviser Michael Flynn -- including a top official's memo debating whether their "goal" was "to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired" -- calls into question whether Brandon Van Grack, a...

www.foxnews.com

So WTF? Grack suddenly denied exculpatory materials to Flynn? Why? Seriously, can anyone here answer that question?

Grack believed that he had no obligation to give these as Flynn accepted a plea agreement. This was in erorr as the court ordered "all relevant exculpatory evidence" handed over, which they to this day did not until it was redacted and released by Barr. Grack violated the courts order in no uncertain terms and Sullivan is very upset at this point. I fully expect Sullivan to throw out the whole case as criminal misconduct by the state. I hope he takes off a few heads when he does it and forwards them for prosecution themselves for framing Flynn.

Couldn't say if sufficient evidence exists that will stand up in court, but I would say that the applicable lawyers should at the least lose their license to practice law. Can they do that at the federal level? It might be a state by state issue, and the blue states won't do that; looks bad don't you know for the party.

But the whole mess stinks to high heaven. To me, this is worse than Watergate, which of course was an actual crime but a victimless one. No one was hurt and damaged in any way by Watergate except for the tarnished reputations on those involved. But this time, the reputations of some of our most trusted institutions have been severely damaged, and it will be quite some time before that trust is restored. Which BTW Mr Wray is not doing so well at.

You’re right about on thing... trust is broken. When we have a POTUS and a NSA lying to the public and lying to FBI agents in the course of an investigation we have a big problem.

Then maybe the Democrats should not have a run a non-stop serial liar, and had a person that instigated a lack of trust for 8 years.

I don’t see how that’s relevant at all. Are you making the point that since you didn’t trust Obama it’s a free pass for republicans to lie without consequence?

What goes around, comes around.
Welcome to politics. You reap what you sow. You let your guys lie non-stop, and then complain others are doing what you yourself have done for decades? Oh well.

I don’t let anybody do anything, that’s not my place. You acting like past people’s lies justify current people’s lies is a grade school argument. Grow up.