Lt. Gen. McInerney Rebukes John McCain on Torture: It Worked on Songbird John WOW!

[Godboy]

Torture doesn't work. The CIA knows this. General Mattis said this and he's been on the front lines where in a moments notice you or those you direct can lose their lives. In the pinch, when you are desperate for answers and believe there may be imminent attacks, I can accept it in limited scenarios as a last ditch effort to demand information, but ultimately, in general, it's mostly ineffective. There have been some who have identified some successes, and others who say it was a waste of time. Without any special inside knowledge, I tend to side with the latter.

I've watched some great documentaries on military intelligence interrogations, from the Vietnam Era and beyond. These guys were good, some of the best. The Germans in WWII were particularly creative, and there are outstanding OSS videos that illustrate how simple chat can give away so much. Some of the stuff I've seen dealt with hardened terrorists, in time, they were broken down and gave actionable intelligence. Not a finger was lifted to harm them. A serious game of psychological warfare in which they saved lives, instead of some primal torture action of revenge for the past, which won't help future U.S ops.

There is a way to get answers, torture could often be more of a liability than a benefit even if they do tell you information, as they often do so just to stop the suffering. So now you waste time and resources chasing ghosts, instead of having legitimate intel. That in itself can cost lives.

Moreover, if you engage in this you lose the higher ground AND you place your own agents at risk of torture. After 9/11 emotions were high, people were rightfully enraged, some felt they had failed in their duties. So, extreme measures were taken.

I think it came down to "we are unprepared and don't have the intelligence we should have, we need answers fast, what's coming next if anything"? If there was suspicion of an imminent attack, well, all bets are off. My gut tells me this was more a reaction of fear by Western intelligence than some proven interrogation tactic.

When done intelligently, torture has always worked and it always will. If im in the CIA and i know things about my captive, things hes done, people he works for/with, etc, then i torture him and see if hes lying or telling the truth when i ask him about those things.Once you know hes telling you the truth on a number of questions you already knew the answer too, you can assume hes telling you the truth on any other question. Plus, if i ask a terrorist for the address of his boss and he gives me a fake address, ill just be right back in his celll, torturing him until he gives me usable information. Lying to "make it stop" wont prevent the torture from eventually getting to the truth.

Torture might have certain limitations, but anyone who says it doesnt work at all is lacking an imagination.

 

[busybee01]

another Notable thing that General MCInerney did was to call 'mrobama' a treasonous bastird who was aiding and abetting Americas enemies . You can read all about it if you read my link BBee and Bodecea .

Don't give a shit. Didn't agree with Obama on his foreign policy but he was not a treasonous bastard. McInerny is the treasonous one. To turn a political disagreement into treason is un-American and unpatriotic.

 

[bodecea]

Being shot down and being a POW doesn't make him a hero.

Breaking under torture like he did didn't make him a traitor.

Lying about his part in the fire on the aircraft carrier and then running away makes him an asshole. He didn't even hang around for the funeral of the brave sailors who died. He went on in country R&R.

Being a Liberal voting RINO and a hate Trump dickhead also makes him an asshole.

He was also a loser not being able to beat a worthless affirmative action piece of shit Obama. He never really attacked Obama's for being a batshit crazy anti American Muslim Liberal. He was too weak to do what was necessary to make sure we didn't have Obama as President. All it would have taken was telling the truth like Trump did about Crooked Hillary.

Damn, so much rage and confusion in you

But a good reminder that the GOP will attack POW’s for their time as POW’s.

Scum will stay scum...we began to see that the first time trump attacked POWs.

-------------------------------- TRUMP didn't attack POW , he spoke his opinion of 'juan mcstain' Bodecea .

He attacked all POWs and you loved it.

--------------------------------------- The TRUMP gave his opinion on 'juan mcstain' Bodecea .

And trump served when?

 

[busybee01]

You filthy ass hateful Liberals sure mocked GW Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard as a fighter pilot, didn't you?

I don’t know I was young then. But man, if he’d been shot down and subjected to torture for years, it would have been horrific for a Democrat to mock him while trying to spread more torture.

Being shot down and being a POW doesn't make him a hero.

Breaking under torture like he did didn't make him a traitor.

Lying about his part in the fire on the aircraft carrier and then running away makes him an asshole. He didn't even hang around for the funeral of the brave sailors who died. He went on in country R&R.

Being a Liberal voting RINO and a hate Trump dickhead also makes him an asshole.

He was also a loser not being able to beat a worthless affirmative action piece of shit Obama. He never really attacked Obama's for being a batshit crazy anti American Muslim Liberal. He was too weak to do what was necessary to make sure we didn't have Obama as President. All it would have taken was telling the truth like Trump did about Crooked Hillary.

Damn, so much rage and confusion in you

But a good reminder that the GOP will attack POW’s for their time as POW’s.

Scum will stay scum...we began to see that the first time trump attacked POWs.

-------------------------------- TRUMP didn't attack POW , he spoke his opinion of 'juan mcstain' Bodecea .

Good old bone-spur Trump has no right to criticize anybody's service to this country. McCain refused to give a propaganda victory to the North Vietnamese by accepting their offer to release him.

 

[pismoe]

another Notable thing that General MCInerney did was to call 'mrobama' a treasonous bastird who was aiding and abetting Americas enemies . You can read all about it if you read my link BBee and Bodecea .

Don't give a shit. Didn't agree with Obama on his foreign policy but he was not a treasonous bastard. McInerny is the treasonous one. To turn a political disagreement into treason is un-American and unpatriotic.

---------------------------------- my info on the treasonous bastird is from my article link . I just pointed out that it was the good Generals opinion on 'mrobama' and told you guy where to find the opinion in the link BBee .

 

[busybee01]

Vietnam Veterans of America have called for his and the WH aide to be fired. You just don't disrespect a Vietnam Vet.

I am a Vietnam Veteran.

I don't think McCain was a hero for being a POW.

I also don't think he was a traitor for "singing like a songbird".

I do, however, think he is a RINO asshole that kept Congress from repealing Obamacare in addition to other dumbass votes to side with the Democrats.

John McCain was a hero because he refused to hand the North Vietnamese a propaganda victory by accepting their offer to send him back to the US.

In other words he kept millions of people from losing their health insurance. Obamacare is more popular now than Trump is.

He is no hero because of that Tape he made...

Guess what? There is no longer a mandate for Obama care which is fine. That’s the only way Obama care is acceptable as long as there’s no fucking Mandate.. you fucking retard.

You are a retard. Voters trust democrats on healthcare more than they trust Republicans. The new increased premiums will be made public just before the mid-terms so voters can see what a mess Republicans have made of healthcare.

 

[busybee01]

Air Farce General.....probably got his chest full of medals flying a desk and blowing his direct senior.

look at the hypocrite

You show me that that Air Farce General did something note worthy in a war besides fly a desk, you would have a valid point.

Ok, I take it back:

McInerney was a command pilot with more than 4,100 flying hours, including 407 combat missions (243 in O-1s as a forward air controller and 164 in F-4Cs, Ds and Es) during the Vietnam War. In addition to his Vietnam Service, McInerney served overseas in NATO; Pacific Air Forces and as commander of 11th Air Force in Alaska.

FAC in Viet Nam...ok, he earned his chops.

He did not earn the right to lie about McCain. McInerny is trash.

Spineless McCain cracked, heroes do not crack

You are a motherfucking idiot. I'll be glad to come over and beat your ass and see how long you last. Everybody cracked. McCain turned down a chance to be released.

 

[Flash]

Vietnam Veterans of America have called for his and the WH aide to be fired. You just don't disrespect a Vietnam Vet.

I am a Vietnam Veteran.

I don't think McCain was a hero for being a POW.

I also don't think he was a traitor for "singing like a songbird".

I do, however, think he is a RINO asshole that kept Congress from repealing Obamacare in addition to other dumbass votes to side with the Democrats.

John McCain was a hero because he refused to hand the North Vietnamese a propaganda victory by accepting their offer to send him back to the US.

In other words he kept millions of people from losing their health insurance. Obamacare is more popular now than Trump is.

He is no hero because of that Tape he made...

Guess what? There is no longer a mandate for Obama care which is fine. That’s the only way Obama care is acceptable as long as there’s no fucking Mandate.. you fucking retard.

You are a retard. Voters trust democrats on healthcare more than they trust Republicans. The new increased premiums will be made public just before the mid-terms so voters can see what a mess Republicans have made of healthcare.

I am a a voter and I don't trust Democrats on any damn thing.

Maybe if I was a welfare queens I would be trusting the Democrats to keep the money flowing but since I am a taxpayer the Democrat can go piss up a rope.

 

[pismoe]

look at the hypocrite

You show me that that Air Farce General did something note worthy in a war besides fly a desk, you would have a valid point.

Ok, I take it back:

McInerney was a command pilot with more than 4,100 flying hours, including 407 combat missions (243 in O-1s as a forward air controller and 164 in F-4Cs, Ds and Es) during the Vietnam War. In addition to his Vietnam Service, McInerney served overseas in NATO; Pacific Air Forces and as commander of 11th Air Force in Alaska.

FAC in Viet Nam...ok, he earned his chops.

He did not earn the right to lie about McCain. McInerny is trash.

Spineless McCain cracked, heroes do not crack

You are a motherfucking idiot. I'll be glad to come over and beat your ass and see how long you last. Everybody cracked. McCain turned down a chance to be released.

------------------------------------ ah haw [chuckle] talk about CRACKIN , i think that you have Cracked BusyBee !! [chuckle]

 

[busybee01]

The Songbird John story has been debunked as a conspiracy theory. Even I used to believe it. I was wrong.

'Songbird John' McCain? No evidence McCain helped ... - PolitiFact

Na, He was definitely a Tweety Bird.
You can see it in his demeanor...
There is a reason why George W. Bush won the military vote in his primary over McCain.

John McCain is a career politician 100% spineless and corrupt

Wow...where's your expertise coming from? How many years were you a POW?

It doesn’t matter, the fact remains Spineless McCain cracked… Hero’s don’t crack

You're so manly...you would never crack, would you?

That has nothing to do with it, I’m not in that position. The fact remains spineless McCain cracked when it mattered the most... Hero’s do not crack.
Did you listen to that tape that he made? That has to be one of the most cowardly things I’ve ever heard...

You are a big talker. I'll bet you would crack in less than a hour you cowardly dog. Your garbage is the most cowardly thing I see.

 

[busybee01]

Does not sound like a patriot to me...

You don't sound like a patriot to me traitor.

There is no reason other than being a traitor to make a tape like that. Fucking spineless coward

You would have been so much braver, wouldn't you? Like, rushing into a school building unarmed to stop a shooter.....that kind of brave, right?

Like I said, That is irrelevant.
Spineless McCain made his choice, and that choice was to crack and make a treasonous tape.
Hero’s don’t crack...

You are the treasonous one. Heroes do crack.

 

[Rustic]

Vietnam Veterans of America have called for his and the WH aide to be fired. You just don't disrespect a Vietnam Vet.

I am a Vietnam Veteran.

I don't think McCain was a hero for being a POW.

I also don't think he was a traitor for "singing like a songbird".

I do, however, think he is a RINO asshole that kept Congress from repealing Obamacare in addition to other dumbass votes to side with the Democrats.

John McCain was a hero because he refused to hand the North Vietnamese a propaganda victory by accepting their offer to send him back to the US.

In other words he kept millions of people from losing their health insurance. Obamacare is more popular now than Trump is.

He is no hero because of that Tape he made...

Guess what? There is no longer a mandate for Obama care which is fine. That’s the only way Obama care is acceptable as long as there’s no fucking Mandate.. you fucking retard.

You are a retard. Voters trust democrats on healthcare more than they trust Republicans. The new increased premiums will be made public just before the mid-terms so voters can see what a mess Republicans have made of healthcare.

Insurance is not healthcare you dumb fucker

 

[Rustic]

look at the hypocrite

You show me that that Air Farce General did something note worthy in a war besides fly a desk, you would have a valid point.

Ok, I take it back:

McInerney was a command pilot with more than 4,100 flying hours, including 407 combat missions (243 in O-1s as a forward air controller and 164 in F-4Cs, Ds and Es) during the Vietnam War. In addition to his Vietnam Service, McInerney served overseas in NATO; Pacific Air Forces and as commander of 11th Air Force in Alaska.

FAC in Viet Nam...ok, he earned his chops.

He did not earn the right to lie about McCain. McInerny is trash.

Spineless McCain cracked, heroes do not crack

You are a motherfucking idiot. I'll be glad to come over and beat your ass and see how long you last. Everybody cracked. McCain turned down a chance to be released.

Na, Plenty died before they cracked

 

[Rustic]

Na, He was definitely a Tweety Bird.
You can see it in his demeanor...
There is a reason why George W. Bush won the military vote in his primary over McCain.

John McCain is a career politician 100% spineless and corrupt

Wow...where's your expertise coming from? How many years were you a POW?

It doesn’t matter, the fact remains Spineless McCain cracked… Hero’s don’t crack

You're so manly...you would never crack, would you?

That has nothing to do with it, I’m not in that position. The fact remains spineless McCain cracked when it mattered the most... Hero’s do not crack.
Did you listen to that tape that he made? That has to be one of the most cowardly things I’ve ever heard...

You are a big talker. I'll bet you would crack in less than a hour you cowardly dog. Your garbage is the most cowardly thing I see.

Says a control freak

 

[Rustic]

Does not sound like a patriot to me...

You don't sound like a patriot to me traitor.

There is no reason other than being a traitor to make a tape like that. Fucking spineless coward

You would have been so much braver, wouldn't you? Like, rushing into a school building unarmed to stop a shooter.....that kind of brave, right?

Like I said, That is irrelevant.
Spineless McCain made his choice, and that choice was to crack and make a treasonous tape.
Hero’s don’t crack...

You are the treasonous one. Heroes do crack.

Na, you watch too many Hollywood movies made by child molesting Hollywood types.
Did you listen to the tape?

 

[busybee01]

McCain is a bitter man.

Pissed because Trump did what he was unable to do,

Took that hate of Trump out on the American people by going against the very people that elected him and cast the deciding vote to keep that disastrous Obamacare.

Excuse me while I join McInerney to ridicule the RINO SOB.

This exchange is spot on:


@kellysadler45 May I remind you my husband has a family, 7 children and 5 grandchildren.

Cindy McCain (@cindymccain) May 10, 2018





I have a family too.
Just that we're not exempted from #ObamaCare like you and are having to continue to pay out the buttocks because of his spite towards @realDonaldTrump .

Will Ganz (@wganz) May 11, 2018

Who gives a fuck about your cows.

John McCain was willing to work to improve it but he was not willing to throw millions off their healthcare. Republicans are the reason you are paying more.

 

[busybee01]

Wow...where's your expertise coming from? How many years were you a POW?

It doesn’t matter, the fact remains Spineless McCain cracked… Hero’s don’t crack

You're so manly...you would never crack, would you?

That has nothing to do with it, I’m not in that position. The fact remains spineless McCain cracked when it mattered the most... Hero’s do not crack.
Did you listen to that tape that he made? That has to be one of the most cowardly things I’ve ever heard...

You are a big talker. I'll bet you would crack in less than a hour you cowardly dog. Your garbage is the most cowardly thing I see.

Says a control freak

You are the freak around here.

 

[busybee01]

Vietnam Veterans of America have called for his and the WH aide to be fired. You just don't disrespect a Vietnam Vet.

I am a Vietnam Veteran.

I don't think McCain was a hero for being a POW.

I also don't think he was a traitor for "singing like a songbird".

I do, however, think he is a RINO asshole that kept Congress from repealing Obamacare in addition to other dumbass votes to side with the Democrats.

John McCain was a hero because he refused to hand the North Vietnamese a propaganda victory by accepting their offer to send him back to the US.

In other words he kept millions of people from losing their health insurance. Obamacare is more popular now than Trump is.

He is no hero because of that Tape he made...

Guess what? There is no longer a mandate for Obama care which is fine. That’s the only way Obama care is acceptable as long as there’s no fucking Mandate.. you fucking retard.

You are a retard. Voters trust democrats on healthcare more than they trust Republicans. The new increased premiums will be made public just before the mid-terms so voters can see what a mess Republicans have made of healthcare.

Insurance is not healthcare you dumb fucker

Not having insurance can affect your healthcare you DUMB FUCKER.

 

[deanrd]

When John McCain was held prisoner and tortured, he was given the opportunity to leave early, before the others captured before him. Him being this son and grandson of admirals, it was a way to embarrass this country. But he refused to leave until the others left before him. He paid for that.
But that's the reason many vets see him as a hero.


Republicans like Trump and Romney simply wouldn't understand. Democrats do. But not Republicans.

 

[busybee01]

You show me that that Air Farce General did something note worthy in a war besides fly a desk, you would have a valid point.

Ok, I take it back:

McInerney was a command pilot with more than 4,100 flying hours, including 407 combat missions (243 in O-1s as a forward air controller and 164 in F-4Cs, Ds and Es) during the Vietnam War. In addition to his Vietnam Service, McInerney served overseas in NATO; Pacific Air Forces and as commander of 11th Air Force in Alaska.

FAC in Viet Nam...ok, he earned his chops.

He did not earn the right to lie about McCain. McInerny is trash.

Spineless McCain cracked, heroes do not crack

You are a motherfucking idiot. I'll be glad to come over and beat your ass and see how long you last. Everybody cracked. McCain turned down a chance to be released.

Na, Plenty died before they cracked

You need to strop watching movies. You can talk big because you don't have to face it.