Making progress, 40% of U.S. now allows carrying a gun without a permit.

[Skull Pilot]

I'll just address the people here who do carry a concealed firearm whether it be some of the time or all of the time.

In my opinion my firearm is for self defense only. I include defense of my wife as well. But that's it.
My weapon(s) are not for defense or protection of the general public. Period.

SO if I see a person who has chosen to be unarmed getting assaulted, robbed, etc, I refuse to draw my weapon to aid them.

You see, I respect the choices of other people so if a person has decided to trust his safety, protection and defense to government agencies then I respect that and will let him live or die as he chooses.

If I or my wife are not in immediate danger I will certainly call the cops for a person who has chosen to go unarmed as that is respecting their wishes of only wanting their protection delivered by a government agency. I will also call an ambulance before I walk or drive away and hope the cops arrive in time to save his life.

Now to address the rest of you who are against concealed carry.

I hope the clarification of my stance alleviates your fear that I as a concealed carry permit holder will play gunslinger.

 

[Wry Catcher]

No, I'm at the bottom of the slope. NYC has some of the most restrictive gun laws, and that is what you idiots want the rest of the country to look like.

NYC's handgun laws are a perfect example of the "guns for me and not for thee" mentality that festers out of your pores.

Tell me, yes or no, are NYC's current laws infringement or not?

In your mind, yes. Tissue?

How infringed are the families of those murdered at VT, Sand Hook Elem. or those killed by errant drive by shootings. More or less infringed than you? Your anger at NYC is understandable, any 2-year old denied a toy will have a temper tantrum and whine and whine. I don't give a damn about you or your obsession with guns - in fact that obsession alone suggests the laws in NYC are appropriate.

Yep, the lets hand out guns at the classroom door solution. Just like the fucking idiot LaPierre


And more to the point.....Sandy Hook was a gun free zone...and it was targeted specifically because it was a gun free school...the middle school and the high school had armed police community service officers on campus...Sandy Hook was gun free......that is what drew the killer there......no one had a gun to stop him.....

How does anyone know what motivated Lanza to do what he did, where and when. We know the how, and that is the primary issue on any discussion on gun control.

yeah the how was he murdered his mother and stole her guns

Half truth via spin.

The How was he used firearms! A gun safe, secured from a mentally ill family member may have prevented the slaughter of 20 children, but that would be an infringement of YOUR rights, for to require any form of gun control is off the table in the mind of obsessive gun rights supporters who put guns as more important than the life of a six-year old.

 

[Iceweasel]

The murder rate is going down. Don't be so frustrated with reality.

The murder rate is going down because they changed the definition of murder to Standing your ground, That tactic is especially effective when all
the witrnesses are White friends of yours. Frankly, though, I am all for universal concealed carry without a permit. That way corrupt racist cops don't get to know what an upstanding Black or Hispanic citizen is carrying to protect him/herself from THEM! Good cops have nothing to worry about!

Murder means murder. Unjustified. Leftwing maggots don't get to redefine words for the rest of us.

I don't pretend to redefine the word murder.
The people who wrote SOG laws did that.RW pukes don't get to ignore the facts that are so vividly clear to the rest of us.

Stand your ground just means you don't have the duty to run away. Left wing pukes don't get to make people run like they do.

Fine, as long as the other guy is armed. But those cases where an unarmed person is killed and there are no witnesses or only friends of the shooter present...hmmmm.
That makes murder too convenient a tool for rw killers out for blood.

Look asshole, smearing your anus on the forum over and over again isn't doing you any good.

 

[Auld Phart]

In your mind, yes. Tissue?

How infringed are the families of those murdered at VT, Sand Hook Elem. or those killed by errant drive by shootings. More or less infringed than you? Your anger at NYC is understandable, any 2-year old denied a toy will have a temper tantrum and whine and whine. I don't give a damn about you or your obsession with guns - in fact that obsession alone suggests the laws in NYC are appropriate.

Yep, the lets hand out guns at the classroom door solution. Just like the fucking idiot LaPierre


And more to the point.....Sandy Hook was a gun free zone...and it was targeted specifically because it was a gun free school...the middle school and the high school had armed police community service officers on campus...Sandy Hook was gun free......that is what drew the killer there......no one had a gun to stop him.....

How does anyone know what motivated Lanza to do what he did, where and when. We know the how, and that is the primary issue on any discussion on gun control.

yeah the how was he murdered his mother and stole her guns

Half truth via spin.

The How was he used firearms! A gun safe, secured from a mentally ill family member may have prevented the slaughter of 20 children, but that would be an infringement of YOUR rights, for to require any form of gun control is off the table in the mind of obsessive gun rights supporters who put guns as more important than the life of a six-year old.

If I remember correctly, Mom Lanza had a gunsafe.

Key lock?
Combination lock?

either easily passed with a little time and effort.

The point is, which for some reason you deflect from, is that the firearms used were not HIS, and he murdered to get his hands on them.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I'll just address the people here who do carry a concealed firearm whether it be some of the time or all of the time.

In my opinion my firearm is for self defense only. I include defense of my wife as well. But that's it.
My weapon(s) are not for defense or protection of the general public. Period.

SO if I see a person who has chosen to be unarmed getting assaulted, robbed, etc, I refuse to draw my weapon to aid them.

You see, I respect the choices of other people so if a person has decided to trust his safety, protection and defense to government agencies then I respect that and will let him live or die as he chooses.

If I or my wife are not in immediate danger I will certainly call the cops for a person who has chosen to go unarmed as that is respecting their wishes of only wanting their protection delivered by a government agency. I will also call an ambulance before I walk or drive away and hope the cops arrive in time to save his life.

Now to address the rest of you who are against concealed carry.

I hope the clarification of my stance alleviates your fear that I as a concealed carry permit holder will play gunslinger.

When I was 19 my GF and I were stopped at a red light, when we heard a women scream for help. A man was pulling her away from the bus stop against her will, and a man was standing near by keeping a newspaper in front of his face. he would be you.

I immediately grabbed my Baseball Bat from the back seat and ran across the street, stopping the assault. I asked the women if she knew man, and she said no. I then told him to let her go or else. He chose else, and we drove her to her destination. I then flagged down a patrol car and told them what happened, and gave a description of the assailant. Therein is the difference between you and me, I'm socially responsible, and you're a sociopath.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Yep, the lets hand out guns at the classroom door solution. Just like the fucking idiot LaPierre


And more to the point.....Sandy Hook was a gun free zone...and it was targeted specifically because it was a gun free school...the middle school and the high school had armed police community service officers on campus...Sandy Hook was gun free......that is what drew the killer there......no one had a gun to stop him.....

How does anyone know what motivated Lanza to do what he did, where and when. We know the how, and that is the primary issue on any discussion on gun control.

yeah the how was he murdered his mother and stole her guns

Half truth via spin.

The How was he used firearms! A gun safe, secured from a mentally ill family member may have prevented the slaughter of 20 children, but that would be an infringement of YOUR rights, for to require any form of gun control is off the table in the mind of obsessive gun rights supporters who put guns as more important than the life of a six-year old.

If I remember correctly, Mom Lanza had a gunsafe.

Key lock?
Combination lock?

either easily passed with a little time and effort.

The point is, which for some reason you deflect from, is that the firearms used were not HIS, and he murdered to get his hands on them.

That's speculation on your part. If a gun safe is not secure, it is not safe.

 

[Auld Phart]

How does anyone know what motivated Lanza to do what he did, where and when. We know the how, and that is the primary issue on any discussion on gun control.

yeah the how was he murdered his mother and stole her guns

Half truth via spin.

The How was he used firearms! A gun safe, secured from a mentally ill family member may have prevented the slaughter of 20 children, but that would be an infringement of YOUR rights, for to require any form of gun control is off the table in the mind of obsessive gun rights supporters who put guns as more important than the life of a six-year old.

If I remember correctly, Mom Lanza had a gunsafe.

Key lock?
Combination lock?

either easily passed with a little time and effort.

The point is, which for some reason you deflect from, is that the firearms used were not HIS, and he murdered to get his hands on them.

That's speculation on your part. If a gun safe is not secure, it is not safe.

No safe is secure, should someone decide they want what is in it.

and I have little doubt Lanza learned how to access his mothers safe long before he went on his rampage.

 

[Skull Pilot]

In your mind, yes. Tissue?

How infringed are the families of those murdered at VT, Sand Hook Elem. or those killed by errant drive by shootings. More or less infringed than you? Your anger at NYC is understandable, any 2-year old denied a toy will have a temper tantrum and whine and whine. I don't give a damn about you or your obsession with guns - in fact that obsession alone suggests the laws in NYC are appropriate.

Yep, the lets hand out guns at the classroom door solution. Just like the fucking idiot LaPierre


And more to the point.....Sandy Hook was a gun free zone...and it was targeted specifically because it was a gun free school...the middle school and the high school had armed police community service officers on campus...Sandy Hook was gun free......that is what drew the killer there......no one had a gun to stop him.....

How does anyone know what motivated Lanza to do what he did, where and when. We know the how, and that is the primary issue on any discussion on gun control.

yeah the how was he murdered his mother and stole her guns

Half truth via spin.

The How was he used firearms! A gun safe, secured from a mentally ill family member may have prevented the slaughter of 20 children, but that would be an infringement of YOUR rights, for to require any form of gun control is off the table in the mind of obsessive gun rights supporters who put guns as more important than the life of a six-year old.

the how was he STOLE firearms

 

[2aguy]

If the bed wetters are so concerned about "untrained" people carrying weapons, then make the training mandatory in order to acquire a Diploma or Driver's license.

A quick 1 hour course can cover the safe handling of a handgun by doing little more than discussing how they function and providing non-firing guns to teach people how to safely unload them.

People interested in carry should be encouraged to attend training.

I'm a certified trainer, and I have taught soldiers and civilians how to safely handle weapons as well as win gun fights.

How about we let people who drive cars not be licensed. Hell, let them just drive. Its easy, you push the gas pedal & you move, the brake you stop, turn the wheel changes direction. Its the same as letting any asshole buy a gun, tote it everywhere they go.

and except for the fact....4.7 million people carried guns for self defense in 1997......over 15 million people carry guns for self defense in 2016.....and what happened...the gun murder rate went down 49% and the violent crime rate went down 75%....so nothing you posted is based in truth, facts or reality.

Law abiding people, carrying guns for self defense...is not a problem....not locking up actual violent criminals, with repeat illegal gun offenses...that is the problem.

People have carried guns for decades. So the murder rate went down & say it was because of guns? The success of the NRA to dupe morons into toting guns everywhere accounts for the growth in gun ownership.

I'll show you studies that say the drop in murder rate is due to changes in policing like more police on the streets, to the reduction of lead in the atmosphere due to unleaded gasoline higherr incomes, & I'm sure your favorite, more abortions man fewer unwanted kids that tend to increase the odds of a life of crime.

But hey, you just assume its because of a bunched of beered up rednecks toting guns.

Actually, moron....I can point to studies that show it did help reduce crime....

The more important point...is that the entire idea, pushed by anti gunners that more guns will equal more gun murder and more crime.....is wrong.......it is a myth....and it is used to lie about guns in the United States....

And the growth areas in gun ownership are women and minorities, asswipe.....

 

[Skull Pilot]

I'll just address the people here who do carry a concealed firearm whether it be some of the time or all of the time.

In my opinion my firearm is for self defense only. I include defense of my wife as well. But that's it.
My weapon(s) are not for defense or protection of the general public. Period.

SO if I see a person who has chosen to be unarmed getting assaulted, robbed, etc, I refuse to draw my weapon to aid them.

You see, I respect the choices of other people so if a person has decided to trust his safety, protection and defense to government agencies then I respect that and will let him live or die as he chooses.

If I or my wife are not in immediate danger I will certainly call the cops for a person who has chosen to go unarmed as that is respecting their wishes of only wanting their protection delivered by a government agency. I will also call an ambulance before I walk or drive away and hope the cops arrive in time to save his life.

Now to address the rest of you who are against concealed carry.

I hope the clarification of my stance alleviates your fear that I as a concealed carry permit holder will play gunslinger.

When I was 19 my GF and I were stopped at a red light, when we heard a women scream for help. A man was pulling her away from the bus stop against her will, and a man was standing near by keeping a newspaper in front of his face. he would be you.

I immediately grabbed my Baseball Bat from the back seat and ran across the street, stopping the assault. I asked the women if she knew man, and she said no. I then told him to let her go or else. He chose else, and we drove her to her destination. I then flagged down a patrol car and told them what happened, and gave a description of the assailant. Therein is the difference between you and me, I'm socially responsible, and you're a sociopath.

No you obviously have poor reading comprehension.

I said I would call the cops.

I respect other people's choices.
I choose to carry a concealed weapon because I want to have the option of protecting myself.

You choose not to carry a concealed weapon and you want the government police force to protect you. That is your choice. I respect that choice.

If you dont want to live with the consequences of that choice them make a different one

 

[2aguy]

Slowly, we are taking back the natural right to self defense.......

North Dakota 14th Constitutional Carry State - 40% of US area now allows carrying without a permit - Crime Prevention Research Center

Friday, North Dakota’s Republican Governor Doug Burgum signed legislation making their state the 14th that allows carrying without a concealed handgun permit. The bill had passed the legislature with overwhelming majorities (34 to 13 in the state Senate and 83 to 9 in the state House). North Dakota thus joined New Hampshire in passing Constitutional Carry this year, though it seems unlikely that any more states will pass these laws during the current sessions.

I thought that Open Carry was your favorite benchmark for gun freedom in the USA 2aguy ??

What happened to that ??

As for unlicensed concealed carry, it is simply a local state issue. Some governors like it while others do not.

Those governors who do not like it normally say that their own state's CFP laws are working well enough.

No.....my benchmark is the ability of Americans to carry a gun for self defense...open or concealed as they decide they need to........with felons and the dangerously mentally ill barred from ownership...with some felonies exempt....after a period of time...maybe....

Governors do not make Rights....democrats did that in the 1960s when they denied rights to black Americans....

 

[2aguy]

Open app it's a thesis.

and except for the fact....4.7 million people carried guns for self defense in 1997......over 15 million people carry guns for self defense in 2016.....and what happened...the gun murder rate went down 49% and the violent crime rate went down 75%....so nothing you posted is based in truth, facts or reality.

Law abiding people, carrying guns for self defense...is not a problem....not locking up actual violent criminals, with repeat illegal gun offenses...that is the problem.

People have carried guns for decades. So the murder rate went down & say it was because of guns? The success of the NRA to dupe morons into toting guns everywhere accounts for the growth in gun ownership.

I'll show you studies that say the drop in murder rate is due to changes in policing like more police on the streets, to the reduction of lead in the atmosphere due to unleaded gasoline higherr incomes, & I'm sure your favorite, more abortions man fewer unwanted kids that tend to increase the odds of a life of crime.

But hey, you just assume its because of a bunched of beered up rednecks toting guns.

An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. Robert A. Heinlein
Read more at: Robert A. Heinlein Quotes

Will someone please send that message to the Chicago city website?

You're a tad confused.

those mostly armed in Chicago are the gangs.

Until recently, firearms were verboten to the populace.

If the common man were to start shooting back, perhaps the gangs would be more polite

Don't know much about the shootings in Chicago do you? There is mounting evidence to support the claim that the label " gang related shooting"is used by cops to define all gun related incidents in the hood.
Are Chicago Murders All Gang-Related?

Gang related homicides are down. Most shootings in Chicago emanate from domestic violence or neighborhood disputes.

Moron.....who do you think is shooting their domestic partners on the South and West sides of Chicago......criminals....idiot......the actual determining factor in domestic violence is not the gun...it is the long history of violence and criminal behavior, as well as drug and alcohol abuse by the abuser......

Gang related homicides are not down....haven't you been watching the news....? Moron.....

 

[2aguy]

No, I'm at the bottom of the slope. NYC has some of the most restrictive gun laws, and that is what you idiots want the rest of the country to look like.

NYC's handgun laws are a perfect example of the "guns for me and not for thee" mentality that festers out of your pores.

Tell me, yes or no, are NYC's current laws infringement or not?

In your mind, yes. Tissue?

How infringed are the families of those murdered at VT, Sand Hook Elem. or those killed by errant drive by shootings. More or less infringed than you? Your anger at NYC is understandable, any 2-year old denied a toy will have a temper tantrum and whine and whine. I don't give a damn about you or your obsession with guns - in fact that obsession alone suggests the laws in NYC are appropriate.

Yep, the lets hand out guns at the classroom door solution. Just like the fucking idiot LaPierre


And more to the point.....Sandy Hook was a gun free zone...and it was targeted specifically because it was a gun free school...the middle school and the high school had armed police community service officers on campus...Sandy Hook was gun free......that is what drew the killer there......no one had a gun to stop him.....

How does anyone know what motivated Lanza to do what he did, where and when. We know the how, and that is the primary issue on any discussion on gun control.

Lanza is off topic. Has nothing to do with this thread.

The thread is about constitutional concealed carry.

It is one of 2aguy 's favorite subjects.

His other favorite is constitutional open carry.

Neither of these is mentioned in the Constitution of course.

However this does not stop 2aguy .

Yes.....they are...that is the whole "Bear Arms" part of the 2nd Amendment and even left wing justice ginsberg understood that.....The Right to keep and Bear arms is in the constitution.....

 

[2aguy]

In your mind, yes. Tissue?

How infringed are the families of those murdered at VT, Sand Hook Elem. or those killed by errant drive by shootings. More or less infringed than you? Your anger at NYC is understandable, any 2-year old denied a toy will have a temper tantrum and whine and whine. I don't give a damn about you or your obsession with guns - in fact that obsession alone suggests the laws in NYC are appropriate.

Yep, the lets hand out guns at the classroom door solution. Just like the fucking idiot LaPierre


And more to the point.....Sandy Hook was a gun free zone...and it was targeted specifically because it was a gun free school...the middle school and the high school had armed police community service officers on campus...Sandy Hook was gun free......that is what drew the killer there......no one had a gun to stop him.....

How does anyone know what motivated Lanza to do what he did, where and when. We know the how, and that is the primary issue on any discussion on gun control.

yeah the how was he murdered his mother and stole her guns

Half truth via spin.

The How was he used firearms! A gun safe, secured from a mentally ill family member may have prevented the slaughter of 20 children, but that would be an infringement of YOUR rights, for to require any form of gun control is off the table in the mind of obsessive gun rights supporters who put guns as more important than the life of a six-year old.

357-400 million guns.......and yet you think the rare event of a killer going to a gun free zone should determine the added expense to all gun owners to buy a safe......and then you guys get to regulate the safe type...right? And then you will, of course, need to inspect that safe in order to make sure it is locked...right...that is what they do in Britain....and a guy had his gun rights removed forever because his safe wasn't locked when the police came by on another matter...

No thanks...

This is how many people are killed because of mass shootings in this country.....it doesn't create a mandate for safes for all gun owners...considering the majority of killers are using guns they can't legally buy, own or carry, let alone keep in a safe...

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2017: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2016: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation



How many deaths on average according to Mother Jones...anti gun, uber left wing Mother Jones.......each year, well less than 73.

2016.....71

2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42 ( Columbine)
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994...5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35 (Looby's cafe)
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1984...28
1983...none listed
1982...8

 

[2aguy]

In your mind, yes. Tissue?

How infringed are the families of those murdered at VT, Sand Hook Elem. or those killed by errant drive by shootings. More or less infringed than you? Your anger at NYC is understandable, any 2-year old denied a toy will have a temper tantrum and whine and whine. I don't give a damn about you or your obsession with guns - in fact that obsession alone suggests the laws in NYC are appropriate.

Yep, the lets hand out guns at the classroom door solution. Just like the fucking idiot LaPierre


And more to the point.....Sandy Hook was a gun free zone...and it was targeted specifically because it was a gun free school...the middle school and the high school had armed police community service officers on campus...Sandy Hook was gun free......that is what drew the killer there......no one had a gun to stop him.....

How does anyone know what motivated Lanza to do what he did, where and when. We know the how, and that is the primary issue on any discussion on gun control.

yeah the how was he murdered his mother and stole her guns

Half truth via spin.

The How was he used firearms! A gun safe, secured from a mentally ill family member may have prevented the slaughter of 20 children, but that would be an infringement of YOUR rights, for to require any form of gun control is off the table in the mind of obsessive gun rights supporters who put guns as more important than the life of a six-year old.

A mandatory gun safe is unconstitutional, or should be...as are trigger locks...as determined by the Supreme Court in Heller...

 

[2aguy]

In your mind, yes. Tissue?

How infringed are the families of those murdered at VT, Sand Hook Elem. or those killed by errant drive by shootings. More or less infringed than you? Your anger at NYC is understandable, any 2-year old denied a toy will have a temper tantrum and whine and whine. I don't give a damn about you or your obsession with guns - in fact that obsession alone suggests the laws in NYC are appropriate.

Yep, the lets hand out guns at the classroom door solution. Just like the fucking idiot LaPierre


And more to the point.....Sandy Hook was a gun free zone...and it was targeted specifically because it was a gun free school...the middle school and the high school had armed police community service officers on campus...Sandy Hook was gun free......that is what drew the killer there......no one had a gun to stop him.....

How does anyone know what motivated Lanza to do what he did, where and when. We know the how, and that is the primary issue on any discussion on gun control.

yeah the how was he murdered his mother and stole her guns

Half truth via spin.

The How was he used firearms! A gun safe, secured from a mentally ill family member may have prevented the slaughter of 20 children, but that would be an infringement of YOUR rights, for to require any form of gun control is off the table in the mind of obsessive gun rights supporters who put guns as more important than the life of a six-year old.

The monster was planning the attack for 2 years...more than enough time to figure out how to get past a safe....

 

[2aguy]

In your mind, yes. Tissue?

How infringed are the families of those murdered at VT, Sand Hook Elem. or those killed by errant drive by shootings. More or less infringed than you? Your anger at NYC is understandable, any 2-year old denied a toy will have a temper tantrum and whine and whine. I don't give a damn about you or your obsession with guns - in fact that obsession alone suggests the laws in NYC are appropriate.

Yep, the lets hand out guns at the classroom door solution. Just like the fucking idiot LaPierre


And more to the point.....Sandy Hook was a gun free zone...and it was targeted specifically because it was a gun free school...the middle school and the high school had armed police community service officers on campus...Sandy Hook was gun free......that is what drew the killer there......no one had a gun to stop him.....

How does anyone know what motivated Lanza to do what he did, where and when. We know the how, and that is the primary issue on any discussion on gun control.

yeah the how was he murdered his mother and stole her guns

Half truth via spin.

The How was he used firearms! A gun safe, secured from a mentally ill family member may have prevented the slaughter of 20 children, but that would be an infringement of YOUR rights, for to require any form of gun control is off the table in the mind of obsessive gun rights supporters who put guns as more important than the life of a six-year old.

Genius......the majority of mass shooters own the guns they use legally.....so that means that a gun safe doesn't stop them...since they would own the safe.....

 

[2aguy]

No, I'm at the bottom of the slope. NYC has some of the most restrictive gun laws, and that is what you idiots want the rest of the country to look like.

NYC's handgun laws are a perfect example of the "guns for me and not for thee" mentality that festers out of your pores.

Tell me, yes or no, are NYC's current laws infringement or not?

In your mind, yes. Tissue?

How infringed are the families of those murdered at VT, Sand Hook Elem. or those killed by errant drive by shootings. More or less infringed than you? Your anger at NYC is understandable, any 2-year old denied a toy will have a temper tantrum and whine and whine. I don't give a damn about you or your obsession with guns - in fact that obsession alone suggests the laws in NYC are appropriate.

Yep, the lets hand out guns at the classroom door solution. Just like the fucking idiot LaPierre


And more to the point.....Sandy Hook was a gun free zone...and it was targeted specifically because it was a gun free school...the middle school and the high school had armed police community service officers on campus...Sandy Hook was gun free......that is what drew the killer there......no one had a gun to stop him.....

How does anyone know what motivated Lanza to do what he did, where and when. We know the how, and that is the primary issue on any discussion on gun control.

Lanza is off topic. Has nothing to do with this thread.

The thread is about constitutional concealed carry.

It is one of 2aguy 's favorite subjects.

His other favorite is constitutional open carry.

Neither of these is mentioned in the Constitution of course.

However this does not stop 2aguy .

Even Justice/social justice activist, Ginsberg would say you are wrong....

From Heller....


https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf



-------
Reading the Second Amendment as protecting only the right to “keep and bear Arms” in an organized militia therefore fits poorly with the operative clause’s description of the holder of that right as “the people.”

We start therefore with a strong presumption that the Second Amendment right is exercised individually and belongs to all Americans.

Some have made the argument, bordering on the frivolous, that only those arms in existence in the 18th century are protected by the Second Amendment.

We do not interpret constitutional rights that way. Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communications, e.g., Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U. S. 844, 849 (1997), and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search, e.g., Kyllo v. United States, 533 U. S. 27, 35–36 (2001), the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding.

--------

n Muscarello v. United States, 524 U. S. 125 (1998), in the course of analyzing the meaning of “carries a firearm” in a federal criminal statute, JUSTICE GINSBURG wrote that “urely a most familiar meaning is, as the Constitution’s Second Amendment . . . indicate: ‘wear, bear, or carry . . . upon the person or in the clothing or in a pocket, for the purpose . . . of being armed and ready for offensive or defensive action in a case of conflict with another person.’” I

 

[JQPublic1]

I'm just standing my ground, dipshit.

 

[JQPublic1]

Fake ne

People have carried guns for decades. So the murder rate went down & say it was because of guns? The success of the NRA to dupe morons into toting guns everywhere accounts for the growth in gun ownership.

I'll show you studies that say the drop in murder rate is due to changes in policing like more police on the streets, to the reduction of lead in the atmosphere due to unleaded gasoline higherr incomes, & I'm sure your favorite, more abortions man fewer unwanted kids that tend to increase the odds of a life of crime.

But hey, you just assume its because of a bunched of beered up rednecks toting guns.

An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. Robert A. Heinlein
Read more at: Robert A. Heinlein Quotes

Will someone please send that message to the Chicago city website?

You're a tad confused.

those mostly armed in Chicago are the gangs.

Until recently, firearms were verboten to the populace.

If the common man were to start shooting back, perhaps the gangs would be more polite

Don't know much about the shootings in Chicago do you? There is mounting evidence to support the claim that the label " gang related shooting"is used by cops to define all gun related incidents in the hood.
Are Chicago Murders All Gang-Related?

Gang related homicides are down. Most shootings in Chicago emanate from domestic violence or neighborhood disputes.

Moron.....who do you think is shooting their domestic partners on the South and West sides of Chicago......criminals....idiot......the actual determining factor in domestic violence is not the gun...it is the long history of violence and criminal behavior, as well as drug and alcohol abuse by the abuser......

Gang related homicides are not down....haven't you been watching the news....? Moron.....

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