Masculinity on the Decline

[Bonzi]

I like manly normal men.

My husband probably is a bit more "old school traditional male" but, I'll take it over the weirdos that are in the 20-40 age range.... just my preference....

 

[there4eyeM]

A lot of bearded men demonstrated against the Vietnam war. That was patriotic, as the whole affair was a disaster for America and should never have happened. Somehow, that was judged by 'non-liberals' as 'liberal' and unpatriotic.

Blame that war on John F Kennedy who was banging Marylyn Monroe. Seems that those liberals that get in trouble sexually, have to start some shit to divert the issue away from his womanizing with someone other than their wives. There were real men who had to go to that war, then there were sissy, pansy ass liberals who burned their draft card. William Jefferson Clinton became ..... Thanks dumbass liberals for that one...

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Blame can as much be put on North Vietnam and the Viet Cong for the drawn out American involvement in their country. They were the big losers in that war. Stupidity reigned on both sides. The V.C. and N.V.A., especially after Tet, should have called a truce, signed some kind of treaty, laid low two years until the Yankees got bored and went home, then take over the country as the finally did, anyway.
The war wasn't Kennedy's fault, and he certainly didn't help things, either. His two successors both had the proverbial wives who always make love from on top. It was all wrong, what America did to Vietnam and to itself. Certain elements played the population to put on a show of force against 'Communism'. Youth was played for pawns. Russia and China profited politically from the 'struggle', watching American might and prestige getting ground down. A lot of otherwise fine young men, and not a few women, died for the inhuman decisions of their 'leaders'.

 

[there4eyeM]

.[/QUOTE]Trump is not the answer - and the US is becoming more liberal, like it or not. No president will reverse what has already been done. It's a pipe dream.

The downward moral spiral of the entire world (not just the US) is prophesied.[/QUOTE]

...but not predetermined.

 

[Freewill]

There has been a war on men for quite some time. We have gone from "Father Knows Best" to "The Simpsons." The reason, in my opinion, is that woman can't be made stronger so in order to have equality men must be made weaker.

Doesn't help that if a man asserts his masculinity they are condemned as being a caveman.

maybe to "assert masculinity" doesn't mean what you think it means.

can you give an example of the (supposed) condemnation of masculinity that you speak of...?

I gave you an example, maybe you never saw "Father Knows Best." If they did the same show today with the same title Father would turn out to be a bumbling fool only kept alive by his rational beautiful wife.

 

[there4eyeM]

When anyone does anything 'non-liberals' don't agree with, they automatically deem it 'liberal'.

I thought they just screamed "liberal" when things are beyond their comprehension.

That's hard to say, as many of the same posters speak about God, and they don't do it then.

 

[Bonzi]

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Trump is not the answer - and the US is becoming more liberal, like it or not. No president will reverse what has already been done. It's a pipe dream.

The downward moral spiral of the entire world (not just the US) is prophesied.[/QUOTE]

...but not predetermined.[/QUOTE]

Oh, it will happen, it didn't HAVE to happen - but, there is too much emphasis on self gratification -
Sacrifice is no longer considered a worthy thing, it's make yourself happy and live and let live.
Unfortunately, life doesn't work like that - like any other entity that operates well, there has to be rules, organization and structure, and for that to happen many sacrifices need to be made for the greater good.

 

[Freewill]

There has been a war on men for quite some time. We have gone from "Father Knows Best" to "The Simpsons." The reason, in my opinion, is that woman can't be made stronger so in order to have equality men must be made weaker.

Doesn't help that if a man asserts his masculinity they are condemned as being a caveman.

What's un-masculine about "The Simpsons"?

How would you describe the Father Homer Simpson? Or Ned Flanders?

 

[Bonzi]

Men should be men.

Be leaders in their home, and love their wife and children more than themselves.
You can be a leader and not a dictator. Men need to be the ultimate "servant leader" to their families. Sacrificing their own wants/needs for their family - out of love and dedication. If it's done with resentment, you don't truly love your family.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

It's definitely on the decline all over the western world.
We've allowed ourselves to be feminized, at least liberals have.

 

[percysunshine]

Men should be men.

Be leaders in their home, and love their wife and children more than themselves.
You can be a leader and not a dictator. Men need to be the ultimate "servant leader" to their families. Sacrificing their own wants/needs for their family - out of love and dedication. If it's done with resentment, you don't truly love your family.

 

[there4eyeM]

.

Trump is not the answer - and the US is becoming more liberal, like it or not. No president will reverse what has already been done. It's a pipe dream.

The downward moral spiral of the entire world (not just the US) is prophesied.

...but not predetermined.[/QUOTE]

Oh, it will happen, it didn't HAVE to happen - but, there is too much emphasis on self gratification -
Sacrifice is no longer considered a worth thing, it's make yourself happy and live and let live.
Unfortunately, life doesn't work like that - like any other entity that operates well, there has to be rules, organization and structure, and for that to happen many sacrifices need to be made for the greater good.[/QUOTE]

There is only 'self gratification', as one's existence is unique and finite. You can never know if another is gratified. The problem is there is not enough true, profound gratification of the true person any human is capable of being, once freed from the tethers of limited mind. What is praised and sought for in the present day, as in the past, is hollow, void, poisonous. One's self is the entire universe, and we need to be able to see that and understand it with detached reason. That is all, yet it seems to be very difficult to maintain.

 

[August West]

A lot of bearded men demonstrated against the Vietnam war. That was patriotic, as the whole affair was a disaster for America and should never have happened. Somehow, that was judged by 'non-liberals' as 'liberal' and unpatriotic.

Blame that war on John F Kennedy who was banging Marylyn Monroe. Seems that those liberals that get in trouble sexually, have to start some shit to divert the issue away from his womanizing with someone other than their wives. There were real men who had to go to that war, then there were sissy, pansy ass liberals who burned their draft card. William Jefferson Clinton became ..... Thanks dumbass liberals for that one...

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Blame can as much be put on North Vietnam and the Viet Cong for the drawn out American involvement in their country. They were the big losers in that war. Stupidity reigned on both sides. The V.C. and N.V.A., especially after Tet, should have called a truce, signed some kind of treaty, laid low two years until the Yankees got bored and went home, then take over the country as the finally did, anyway.
The war wasn't Kennedy's fault, and he certainly didn't help things, either. His two successors both had the proverbial wives who always make love from on top. It was all wrong, what America did to Vietnam and to itself. Certain elements played the population to put on a show of force against 'Communism'. Youth was played for pawns. Russia and China profited politically from the 'struggle', watching American might and prestige getting ground down. A lot of otherwise fine young men, and not a few women, died for the inhuman decisions of their 'leaders'.

Blaming Vietnam for American involvement in their country is ridiculous. There never was a North or South Vietnam in reality. Vietnam was taken over by the Vietnamese, not the Americans or the French and these people kicked the Chinese out of their country more than once. Who were the losers in that war? The country who gave up their imperialistic desires. We dropped more bombs on the north than we dropped on Germany in WW2 and they weren`t the slightest bit impressed. The VC built fake tanks out of cardboard and sprinkled them liberally on hundreds of miles of the Ho Chi Minh trail and we spent millions blowing those cardboard tanks to bits. The North and the VC were big losers in that war? Who went home after pissing away 50,000 lives and thousands more wounded? We should have been paying reparations for this criminal act.

 

[there4eyeM]

Men should be men.

Be leaders in their home, and love their wife and children more than themselves.
You can be a leader and not a dictator. Men need to be the ultimate "servant leader" to their families. Sacrificing their own wants/needs for their family - out of love and dedication. If it's done with resentment, you don't truly love your family.

The husband in the situation should work constantly and diligently to be equal to his wife.

 

[there4eyeM]

A lot of bearded men demonstrated against the Vietnam war. That was patriotic, as the whole affair was a disaster for America and should never have happened. Somehow, that was judged by 'non-liberals' as 'liberal' and unpatriotic.

Blame that war on John F Kennedy who was banging Marylyn Monroe. Seems that those liberals that get in trouble sexually, have to start some shit to divert the issue away from his womanizing with someone other than their wives. There were real men who had to go to that war, then there were sissy, pansy ass liberals who burned their draft card. William Jefferson Clinton became ..... Thanks dumbass liberals for that one...

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Blame can as much be put on North Vietnam and the Viet Cong for the drawn out American involvement in their country. They were the big losers in that war. Stupidity reigned on both sides. The V.C. and N.V.A., especially after Tet, should have called a truce, signed some kind of treaty, laid low two years until the Yankees got bored and went home, then take over the country as the finally did, anyway.
The war wasn't Kennedy's fault, and he certainly didn't help things, either. His two successors both had the proverbial wives who always make love from on top. It was all wrong, what America did to Vietnam and to itself. Certain elements played the population to put on a show of force against 'Communism'. Youth was played for pawns. Russia and China profited politically from the 'struggle', watching American might and prestige getting ground down. A lot of otherwise fine young men, and not a few women, died for the inhuman decisions of their 'leaders'.

Blaming Vietnam for American involvement in their country is ridiculous. There never was a North or South Vietnam in reality. Vietnam was taken over by the Vietnamese, not the Americans or the French and these people kicked the Chinese out of their country more than once. Who were the losers in that war? The country who gave up their imperialistic desires. We dropped more bombs on the north than we dropped on Germany in WW2 and they weren`t the slightest bit impressed. The VC built fake tanks out of cardboard and sprinkled them liberally on hundreds of miles of the Ho Chi Minh trail and we spent millions blowing those cardboard tanks to bits. The North and the VC were big losers in that war? Who went home after pissing away 50,000 lives and thousands more wounded? We should have been paying reparations for this criminal act.

Yes, the U.S. lost tens of thousands. It lost great amounts of treasure. It lost enormous amounts of diplomatic currency, prestige and respect. But Vietnam lost millions, had their infrastructure devastated, suffered penury, pain and loss of family. They lost a lot more than the U.S., and all they got was their own country back.

You ignore what I said about their achieving their ends a lot earlier and a lot easier. You ignore as well that it was stated we can as much blame, not have to or mostly. Admit at least they did not play their cards really to their best advantage.

 

[Bonzi]

Men should be men.

Be leaders in their home, and love their wife and children more than themselves.
You can be a leader and not a dictator. Men need to be the ultimate "servant leader" to their families. Sacrificing their own wants/needs for their family - out of love and dedication. If it's done with resentment, you don't truly love your family.

I like the line where he says "we're talking about a man here, right?"... hilarious!
I don't care about that other stuff, just loving your wife/kids enough to happily sacrifice selfish non essential needs is enough

 

[Bonzi]

Men love being feminized. It gives them permission to avoid responsibility.

 

[Bonzi]

Men should be men.

Be leaders in their home, and love their wife and children more than themselves.
You can be a leader and not a dictator. Men need to be the ultimate "servant leader" to their families. Sacrificing their own wants/needs for their family - out of love and dedication. If it's done with resentment, you don't truly love your family.

The husband in the situation should work constantly and diligently to be equal to his wife.

Women/wives can be jerks too. Most parents are failures to the extreme. Doing anything and everything to avoid prolonged one on one time with their kids.

 

[Bonzi]

There has been a war on men for quite some time. We have gone from "Father Knows Best" to "The Simpsons." The reason, in my opinion, is that woman can't be made stronger so in order to have equality men must be made weaker.

Doesn't help that if a man asserts his masculinity they are condemned as being a caveman.

What's un-masculine about "The Simpsons"?

How would you describe the Father Homer Simpson? Or Ned Flanders?

Adult Children

 

[August West]

A lot of bearded men demonstrated against the Vietnam war. That was patriotic, as the whole affair was a disaster for America and should never have happened. Somehow, that was judged by 'non-liberals' as 'liberal' and unpatriotic.

Blame that war on John F Kennedy who was banging Marylyn Monroe. Seems that those liberals that get in trouble sexually, have to start some shit to divert the issue away from his womanizing with someone other than their wives. There were real men who had to go to that war, then there were sissy, pansy ass liberals who burned their draft card. William Jefferson Clinton became ..... Thanks dumbass liberals for that one...

View attachment 76677

Blame can as much be put on North Vietnam and the Viet Cong for the drawn out American involvement in their country. They were the big losers in that war. Stupidity reigned on both sides. The V.C. and N.V.A., especially after Tet, should have called a truce, signed some kind of treaty, laid low two years until the Yankees got bored and went home, then take over the country as the finally did, anyway.
The war wasn't Kennedy's fault, and he certainly didn't help things, either. His two successors both had the proverbial wives who always make love from on top. It was all wrong, what America did to Vietnam and to itself. Certain elements played the population to put on a show of force against 'Communism'. Youth was played for pawns. Russia and China profited politically from the 'struggle', watching American might and prestige getting ground down. A lot of otherwise fine young men, and not a few women, died for the inhuman decisions of their 'leaders'.

Blaming Vietnam for American involvement in their country is ridiculous. There never was a North or South Vietnam in reality. Vietnam was taken over by the Vietnamese, not the Americans or the French and these people kicked the Chinese out of their country more than once. Who were the losers in that war? The country who gave up their imperialistic desires. We dropped more bombs on the north than we dropped on Germany in WW2 and they weren`t the slightest bit impressed. The VC built fake tanks out of cardboard and sprinkled them liberally on hundreds of miles of the Ho Chi Minh trail and we spent millions blowing those cardboard tanks to bits. The North and the VC were big losers in that war? Who went home after pissing away 50,000 lives and thousands more wounded? We should have been paying reparations for this criminal act.

Yes, the U.S. lost tens of thousands. It lost great amounts of treasure. It lost enormous amounts of diplomatic currency, prestige and respect. But Vietnam lost millions, had their infrastructure devastated, suffered penury, pain and loss of family. They lost a lot more than the U.S., and all they got was their own country back.

You ignore what I said about their achieving their ends a lot earlier and a lot easier. You ignore as well that it was stated we can as much blame, not have to or mostly. Admit at least they did not play their cards really to their best advantage.

How they played their cards is of no concern to us. We went where we weren`t wanted or needed and were sent packing just like we did in Iraq. Ho Chi Minh and General Giap said the guerilla war would go on forever or until Americans tired of being bled physically and financially. If they had to send 5 American bodies home every week for a hundred years that`s what they would do. They weren`t going to be dominated by their long time enemy the Chinese nor did they want to become a French or American lackey country. No, they should not have called a truce after TET and showed the U.S. they were having second thoughts about surrendering. They never showed weakness but they did show determination. No western power could ever win a war of attrition in Asia. I`m pretty sure that it took them a couple hundred years to expel the Chinese so as far as achieving their goal sooner, that means absolutely nothing to the patient people of the East.

 

[Compost]

Men love being feminized. It gives them permission to avoid responsibility.

Masculine men don't.