Mass Shooting in Tulsa.

[Calypso Jones]

Got da crazy eyes.

 

[2aguy]

Just accept it for what it is.

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I don't have the time to take on another issue.

Yes...and you will see the increase in crime too.....good for you...

 

[2aguy]

At least reloading the 5 round gun gave people time to take him out. Sometimes police & adults are too chicken to attack the shooter like in Texas, so on a extremely rare occasion a skilled 5 shot gun shooter gets 20. Unlike now every week a untrained suicidal assholes can easily achieve those numbers with off the shelf hardware when he has a bad day.

No...it didn't, and the police station was 100 yards away down the street.

It isn't every week......would you clowns just knock it off...we get it, you have to lie because you really, really hate guns and gun owners....

They get the numbers they get because they are shooting unarmed people....in confined spaces...you dumb ass.....

 

[2aguy]

Wrong. Texas was unlimited open carry.

The school was a gun free zone.......so any law abiding citizen had to leave their legal gun at home....

 

[2aguy]

At least reloading the 5 round gun gave people time to take him out. Sometimes police & adults are too chicken to attack the shooter like in Texas, so on a extremely rare occasion a skilled 5 shot gun shooter gets 20. Unlike now every week a untrained suicidal assholes can easily achieve those numbers with off the shelf hardware when he has a bad day.

Some actual facts....

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1525107116674926

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN

I.

Do bans on large-capacity magazines (LCMs) for semiautomatic firearms have significant potential for reducing the number of deaths and injuries in mass shootings?
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In sum, in nearly all LCM-involved mass shootings, the time it takes to reload a detachable magazine is no greater than the average time between shots that the shooter takes anyway when not reloading.

Consequently, there is no affirmative evidence that reloading detachable magazines slows mass shooters’ rates of fire, and thus no affirmative evidence that the number of victims who could escape the killers due to additional pauses in the shooting is increased by the shooter’s need to change magazines.
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The most common rationale for an effect of LCM use is that they allow mass killers to fire many rounds without reloading.


LCMs are used is less than 1/3 of 1% of mass shootings.

News accounts of 23 shootings in which more than six people were killed or wounded and LCMs were used, occurring in the U.S. in 1994-2013, were examined.

There was only one incident in which the shooter may have been stopped by bystander intervention when he tried to reload.

In all of these 23 incidents the shooter possessed either multiple guns or multiple magazines, meaning that the shooter, even if denied LCMs, could have continued firing without significant interruption by either switching loaded guns or by changing smaller loaded magazines with only a 2-4 second delay for each magazine change.


Finally, the data indicate that mass shooters maintain slow enough rates of fire such that the time needed to reload would not increase the time between shots and thus the time available for prospective victims to escape.

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We did not employ the oft-used definition of “mass murder” as a homicide in which four or more victims were killed, because most of these involve just four to six victims (Duwe 2007), which could therefore have involved as few as six rounds fired, a number that shooters using even ordinary revolvers are capable of firing without reloading.

LCMs obviously cannot help shooters who fire no more rounds than could be fired without LCMs, so the inclusion of “nonaffectable” cases with only four to six victims would dilute the sample, reducing the percent of sample incidents in which an LCM might have affected the number of casualties.

Further, had we studied only homicides with four or more dead victims, drawn from the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports, we would have missed cases in which huge numbers of people were shot, and huge numbers of rounds were fired, but three or fewer of the victims died.


For example, in one widely publicized shooting carried out in Los Angeles on February 28, 1997, two bank robbers shot a total of 18 people - surely a mass shooting by any reasonable standard (Table 1).

Yet, because none of the people they shot died, this incident would not qualify as a mass murder (or even murder of any kind).

Exclusion of such incidents would bias the sample against the proposition that LCM use increases the number of victims by excluding incidents with large numbers of victims. We also excluded shootings in which more than six persons were shot over the entire course of the incident but shootings occurred in multiple locations with no more than six people shot in any one of the locations, and substantial periods of time intervened between episodes of shooting. An example is the series of killings committed by Rodrick Dantzler on July 7, 2011.

Once eligible incidents were identified, we searched through news accounts for details related to whether the use of LCMs could have influenced the casualty counts.

Specifically, we searched for

(1) the number of magazines in the shooter’s immediate possession,

(2) the capacity of the largest magazine,

(3) the number of guns in the shooter’s immediate possession during the incident,

(4) the types of guns possessed,

(5) whether the shooter reloaded during the incident,

(6) the number of rounds fired,

(7) the duration of the shooting from the first shot fired to the last, and (8) whether anyone intervened to stop the shooter.

Findings How Many Mass Shootings were Committed Using LCMs?

We identified 23 total incidents in which more than six people were shot at a single time and place in the U.S. from 1994 through 2013 and that were known to involve use of any magazines with capacities over ten rounds.


Table 1 summarizes key details of the LCMinvolved mass shootings relevant to the issues addressed in this paper.

(Table 1 about here) What fraction of all mass shootings involve LCMs?

There is no comprehensive listing of all mass shootings available for the entire 1994-2013 period, but the most extensive one currently available is at the Shootingtracker.com website, which only began its coverage in 2013.

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The offenders in LCM-involved mass shootings were also known to have reloaded during 14 of the 23 (61%) incidents with magazine holding over 10 rounds.

The shooters were known to have not reloaded in another two of these 20 incidents and it could not be determined if they reloaded in the remaining seven incidents.

Thus, even if the shooters had been denied LCMs, we know that most of them definitely would have been able to reload smaller detachable magazines without interference from bystanders since they in fact did change magazines.

The fact that this percentage is less than 100% should not, however, be interpreted to mean that the shooters were unable to reload in the other nine incidents.

It is possible that the shooters could also have reloaded in many of these nine shootings, but chose not to do so, or did not need to do so in order to fire all the rounds they wanted to fire. This is consistent with the fact that there has been at most only one mass shootings in twenty years in which reloading a semiautomatic firearm might have been blocked by bystanders intervening and thereby stopping the shooter from doing all the shooting he wanted to do. All we know is that in two incidents the shooter did not reload, and news accounts of seven other incidents did not mention whether the offender reloaded.

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For example, a story in the Hartford Courant about the Sandy Hook elementary school killings in 2012 was headlined “Shooter Paused, and Six Escaped,” the text asserting that as many as six children may have survived because the shooter paused to reload (December 23, 2012). ''

The author of the story, however, went on to concede that this was just a speculation by an unnamed source, and that it was also possible that some children simply escaped when the killer was shooting other children.

There was no reliable evidence that the pauses were due to the shooter reloading, rather than his guns jamming or the shooter simply choosing to pause his shooting while his gun was still loaded.

The plausibility of the “victims escape” rationale depends on the average rates of fire that shooters in mass shootings typically maintain.

If they fire very fast, the 2-4 seconds it takes to change box-type detachable magazines could produce a slowing of the rate of fire that the shooters otherwise would have maintained without the magazine changes, increasing the average time between rounds fired and potentially allowing more victims to escape during the betweenshot intervals.

On the other hand, if mass shooters fire their guns with the average interval between shots lasting more than 2-4 seconds, the pauses due to additional magazine changes would be no longer than the pauses the shooter typically took between shots even when not reloading.

In that case, there would be no more opportunity for potential victims to escape than there would have been without the additional magazine changes

 

[2aguy]

Shots fired at cemetery in Racine, Wisconsin; multiple victims reported another going on now in a cemetery in Wisconsin

Cemetary...gang banger funeral, is the most likely reason...

 

[KissMy]

Some actual facts....

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1525107116674926
Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN

I.

Do bans on large-capacity magazines (LCMs) for semiautomatic firearms have significant potential for reducing the number of deaths and injuries in mass shootings?
========
In sum, in nearly all LCM-involved mass shootings, the time it takes to reload a detachable magazine is no greater than the average time between shots that the shooter takes anyway when not reloading.

Consequently, there is no affirmative evidence that reloading detachable magazines slows mass shooters’ rates of fire, and thus no affirmative evidence that the number of victims who could escape the killers due to additional pauses in the shooting is increased by the shooter’s need to change magazines.
==========

The most common rationale for an effect of LCM use is that they allow mass killers to fire many rounds without reloading.


LCMs are used is less than 1/3 of 1% of mass shootings.

News accounts of 23 shootings in which more than six people were killed or wounded and LCMs were used, occurring in the U.S. in 1994-2013, were examined.

There was only one incident in which the shooter may have been stopped by bystander intervention when he tried to reload.

In all of these 23 incidents the shooter possessed either multiple guns or multiple magazines, meaning that the shooter, even if denied LCMs, could have continued firing without significant interruption by either switching loaded guns or by changing smaller loaded magazines with only a 2-4 second delay for each magazine change.


Finally, the data indicate that mass shooters maintain slow enough rates of fire such that the time needed to reload would not increase the time between shots and thus the time available for prospective victims to escape.

--------

We did not employ the oft-used definition of “mass murder” as a homicide in which four or more victims were killed, because most of these involve just four to six victims (Duwe 2007), which could therefore have involved as few as six rounds fired, a number that shooters using even ordinary revolvers are capable of firing without reloading.

LCMs obviously cannot help shooters who fire no more rounds than could be fired without LCMs, so the inclusion of “nonaffectable” cases with only four to six victims would dilute the sample, reducing the percent of sample incidents in which an LCM might have affected the number of casualties.

Further, had we studied only homicides with four or more dead victims, drawn from the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports, we would have missed cases in which huge numbers of people were shot, and huge numbers of rounds were fired, but three or fewer of the victims died.


For example, in one widely publicized shooting carried out in Los Angeles on February 28, 1997, two bank robbers shot a total of 18 people - surely a mass shooting by any reasonable standard (Table 1).

Yet, because none of the people they shot died, this incident would not qualify as a mass murder (or even murder of any kind).

Exclusion of such incidents would bias the sample against the proposition that LCM use increases the number of victims by excluding incidents with large numbers of victims. We also excluded shootings in which more than six persons were shot over the entire course of the incident but shootings occurred in multiple locations with no more than six people shot in any one of the locations, and substantial periods of time intervened between episodes of shooting. An example is the series of killings committed by Rodrick Dantzler on July 7, 2011.

Once eligible incidents were identified, we searched through news accounts for details related to whether the use of LCMs could have influenced the casualty counts.

Specifically, we searched for

(1) the number of magazines in the shooter’s immediate possession,

(2) the capacity of the largest magazine,

(3) the number of guns in the shooter’s immediate possession during the incident,

(4) the types of guns possessed,

(5) whether the shooter reloaded during the incident,

(6) the number of rounds fired,

(7) the duration of the shooting from the first shot fired to the last, and (8) whether anyone intervened to stop the shooter.

Findings How Many Mass Shootings were Committed Using LCMs?

We identified 23 total incidents in which more than six people were shot at a single time and place in the U.S. from 1994 through 2013 and that were known to involve use of any magazines with capacities over ten rounds.


Table 1 summarizes key details of the LCMinvolved mass shootings relevant to the issues addressed in this paper.

(Table 1 about here) What fraction of all mass shootings involve LCMs?

There is no comprehensive listing of all mass shootings available for the entire 1994-2013 period, but the most extensive one currently available is at the Shootingtracker.com website, which only began its coverage in 2013.

-----



-----

The offenders in LCM-involved mass shootings were also known to have reloaded during 14 of the 23 (61%) incidents with magazine holding over 10 rounds.

The shooters were known to have not reloaded in another two of these 20 incidents and it could not be determined if they reloaded in the remaining seven incidents.

Thus, even if the shooters had been denied LCMs, we know that most of them definitely would have been able to reload smaller detachable magazines without interference from bystanders since they in fact did change magazines.

The fact that this percentage is less than 100% should not, however, be interpreted to mean that the shooters were unable to reload in the other nine incidents.

It is possible that the shooters could also have reloaded in many of these nine shootings, but chose not to do so, or did not need to do so in order to fire all the rounds they wanted to fire. This is consistent with the fact that there has been at most only one mass shootings in twenty years in which reloading a semiautomatic firearm might have been blocked by bystanders intervening and thereby stopping the shooter from doing all the shooting he wanted to do. All we know is that in two incidents the shooter did not reload, and news accounts of seven other incidents did not mention whether the offender reloaded.

----

For example, a story in the Hartford Courant about the Sandy Hook elementary school killings in 2012 was headlined “Shooter Paused, and Six Escaped,” the text asserting that as many as six children may have survived because the shooter paused to reload (December 23, 2012). ''

The author of the story, however, went on to concede that this was just a speculation by an unnamed source, and that it was also possible that some children simply escaped when the killer was shooting other children.

There was no reliable evidence that the pauses were due to the shooter reloading, rather than his guns jamming or the shooter simply choosing to pause his shooting while his gun was still loaded.

The plausibility of the “victims escape” rationale depends on the average rates of fire that shooters in mass shootings typically maintain.

If they fire very fast, the 2-4 seconds it takes to change box-type detachable magazines could produce a slowing of the rate of fire that the shooters otherwise would have maintained without the magazine changes, increasing the average time between rounds fired and potentially allowing more victims to escape during the betweenshot intervals.

On the other hand, if mass shooters fire their guns with the average interval between shots lasting more than 2-4 seconds, the pauses due to additional magazine changes would be no longer than the pauses the shooter typically took between shots even when not reloading.

In that case, there would be no more opportunity for potential victims to escape than there would have been without the additional magazine changes

I don't want any detachable mags large or small, so the gun can only be reloaded 1 at a time holding a max of 10 rounds at a time. Even Rittenhouse only needed 6 to stop a massive mob trying to kill him. If you think you need to kill more than 10, then you are the problem.

 

[2aguy]

I don't want any detachable mags large or small, so the gun can only be reloaded 1 at a time holding a max of 10 rounds at a time. Even Rittenhouse only needed 6 to stop a massive mob trying to kill him. If you think you need to kill more than 10, then you are the problem.

Wow....you are dumb.....

Magazine capacity is just another BS tactic from the democrats to harrass, and put in legal peril, law abiding gun owners.....and you swallowed it whole....

 

[KissMy]

The school was a gun free zone.......so any law abiding citizen had to leave their legal gun at home....

That is stupid. Security Guards & Police aren't nearly as motivated to stop the massacre as the people being shot at such as Teachers.

 

[KissMy]

Wow....you are dumb.....

Magazine capacity is just another BS tactic from the democrats to harrass, and put in legal peril, law abiding gun owners.....and you swallowed it whole....

You won't think that when you are pinned down by a sniper in a baseball stadium of 55,000 people.

 

[Unkotare]

Black people need guns to protect themselves from murderous police. Guns should be issued as mandatory for every person of color so they can fight back against cops who hunt them down like dogs and shoot them dead in the street.

Thats all cops do….hunt down and murder BIPOCs.

Absurd

 

[2aguy]

That is stupid. Security Guards & Police aren't nearly as motivated to stop the massacre as the people being shot at such as Teachers.

Yeah...and again, the school was a gun free zone.

 

[2aguy]

You won't think that when you are pinned down by a sniper in a baseball stadium of 55,000 people.

Yeah.....he fired from a concealed, elevated position, into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people.....and only hit 65 people..........

A muslim terrorist without a gun, using a rental truck murdered 86 people and injured 450..........

More people killed with a truck than each year of mass public shootings except two..........

At the range of all other mass public shootings, the magazine capacity had no bearing on the outcome..the distances were less than 30 yards at the longest range.....

Even the guy in Vegas could have simply used 10 round magazines, you doofus....and killed just as many in that tightly packed stadium...the police didn't stop him, he stopped himself.

 

[Ray9]

Yet another mass shooting proving that the gun violence is going to be stready and continuous.

Link to come.

At least 4 dead, multiple people injured in shooting at Tulsa, Oklahoma, medical building: Police

Police said multiple people were shot.

abcnews.go.com

If we took away everyone's cars they couldn't go anywhere to use those guns. Cars kill more more people than guns ever did. Cars are dangerous and like guns they don't kill anyone unless someone misuses them. They also contribute to climate change so cars are more dangerous than guns. For God's sake as Biden would say, let's do something about all those dangerous cars. Only professional politicians should have cars just like only politicians would have guns!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If we took away everyone's cars they couldn't go anywhere to use those guns. Cars kill more more people than guns ever did. Cars are dangerous and like guns they don't kill anyone unless someone misuses them.

Or we could just get rid of you, so we don't have to be bothered by that mind numbingly idiotic turd of illogic you just pinched off.

 

[jasonnfree]

If we took away everyone's cars they couldn't go anywhere to use those guns. Cars kill more more people than guns ever did. Cars are dangerous and like guns they don't kill anyone unless someone misuses them.

But the car deaths are accidents whereas the gun incidents are usually planned. No other first world has the has the gun deaths USA has.

 

[Ray9]

Or we could just get rid of you, so we don't have to be bothered by that mind numbingly idiotic turd of illogic you just pinched off.

Come to think of it, all the world's problems started when people began wearing shoes. If the government took away all the shoes no one could leave their house and no crimes would be committed in the public domain. I like how Biden thinks!

 

[Ray9]

But the car deaths are accidents whereas the gun incidents are usually planned. No other first world has the has the gun deaths USA has.

Highway carnage occurrs because the users play fast and loose with automobile. And Cars weigh tons while a gun weighs just a few pounds if that. If the government was really serious about saving the lives of children they would make everyone walk or take public transportation! Hey, I just described China!

 

[ColonelAngus]

Absurd

Maybe even sarcastic.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Because they happen in GUN FREE ZONES.

Please provide some evidence this medical building in Tulsa was a gun free zone