Message to Libertarians and others: The founding fathers believed in regulation

[Avorysuds]

For you and every other conservative.

U.S. Constitution | Constitution | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

Do yourselves a favor.

Take an hour or two.

And read it.

Show me where well regulated means under government control.

Post 13.

You guys are really incredible.

Hey, your the one that switched from hating everything Bush does to supporting everything Bush did simply because a Democrat came to power and expanded Bush era policies.

That's incredible.

 

[Agit8r]

Certainly all disinterested colonists believed in sensible regulation. Unfortunately common sense fell out of fashion during the 20th Century.

"The first Thing I remember of this kind, was a general discourse in Boston when I was a Boy, of a Complaint from North Carolina against New England Rum, that it poison'd their People, giving them the Dry Bellyach, with a Loss of the Use of their Limbs. The Distilleries being examin'd on the Occasion, it was found that several of them used leaden Still-heads and Worms, and the Physicians were of the Opinion that the Mischief was occasion'd by that Use of Lead. The Legislature of the Massachusetts thereupon pass'd an Act prohibiting under severe Penalties the Use of such Still-heads & Worms thereafter"
-- Benjamin Franklin; letter to Benjamin Vaughan (July 31, 1786)

an agitator is a spinning wheel that goes back and forth in a washing machine.

sort of describes your foolishness

20th century America gave citizens a far better life than any before them

The 20th Century was the peak of human barbarism, and America was no exception to this.

 

[Contumacious]

Message to Libertarians and others: The founding fathers believed in regulation:

I see.

How did they define regulation??!!?!?!?!?

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[Harry Dresden]

These people believe in little to no regulations so big business can do as they please. They probably hate every advancement in human rights of the past 200 years.

there it is again....THESE PEOPLE....who are they?....

 

[Avorysuds]

In the end plz, keep attacking Libertarians... We are getting bigger =D

How did Gandhi put it? "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." I'd say we're passed ignoring.

 

[Avorysuds]

These people believe in little to no regulations so big business can do as they please. They probably hate every advancement in human rights of the past 200 years.

there it is again....THESE PEOPLE....who are they?....

It's strange that Matt claimed to being very conservative only to switch to being one of the biggest progressives alive.

 

[norwegen]

Message to Libertarians and others: The founding fathers believed in regulation

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Madison as well as Hamilton believed the nation needed a strong and more powerful central government than had previously existed. Federalist papers?

So why are people who are hostile to regulation like the Federalist Society always claiming to be the heirs of the traditions and ideals of Madison and Hamilton as well as claiming them as their inspiration and role models?

I understand the clueless, ill-educated here and elsewhere on the web making such ridiculous and absurd errors, but...

Madison abandoned the Federalist Party to ally with the Republicans. He did not approve of the monarchical tendencies of Washington, Hamilton, and Adams or their belief in implied powers and a central bank. Jefferson's administration reduced the size of the federal government considerably.

Hamilton was an arrogant, ambitious Secretary of State who thought that America should have been a fiscal-military state with a complex financial network, a state that could rival any of the European powers. European-style power is exactly the kind of authority the Americans had divested themselves of a dozen years earlier.

And a majority of the Philadelphia Convention delegates believed the central government should be stronger. That's why we have a Constitution rather than just a revised Articles.

 

[FJO]

Alexander Pope: "A little learning is a dangerous thing."

Funny, I did not think he knew Dante.

 

[norwegen]

LOLz~


There is another difference there too, None of that stuff in 2010 existed in the picture before it.

Man, you just made an epic size ass of yourself.

The 1773 depiction is wrong, too. The Boston Tea Party wasn't a protest over taxes.

 

[The Rabbi]

Alexander Pope: "A little learning is a dangerous thing."

Funny, I did not think he knew Dante.

Oh he did. Maybe not by that name. Maybe not that specific person. But the Dantes of the world have always been with us. The difference is that in the old days you never encountered them and they were polite enough to keep their mouths shut because they were embarrassed by their lack of knowledge. And then Al Gore invented the internet.

 

[Avorysuds]

LOLz~


There is another difference there too, None of that stuff in 2010 existed in the picture before it.

Man, you just made an epic size ass of yourself.

The 1773 depiction is wrong, too. The Boston Tea Party wasn't a protest over taxes.

The whole picture is dumb, like the guy who posted it. It has meaning to people that are clueless and watch TV's talking heads for news.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Southern, White, Conservative, Christians

Yeah, we know, the Republicans decided to go to war with Dems to stop slavery.

The Republicans who fought against slavery were Liberals.

more like Republicans who knew the difference between right and wrong....

 

[norwegen]

Alexander Pope: "A little learning is a dangerous thing."

Funny, I did not think he knew Dante.

Oh he did. Maybe not by that name. Maybe not that specific person. But the Dantes of the world have always been with us. The difference is that in the old days you never encountered them and they were polite enough to keep their mouths shut because they were embarrassed by their lack of knowledge. And then Al Gore invented the internet.

Go back far enough - before the revolution - and you'd see that not only did some of them keep silent, but many of them emigrated. Monarchs embraced the Tories.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

[MENTION=30190]M.D. Rawlings[/MENTION] [MENTION=45418]Spiderman[/MENTION]

The term well regulated does not necessarily mean government controlled.

It can also mean efficient, in good working order.

Meaning of the phrase "well-regulated"

Indeed. It did not mean regulated by the federal government at all.

A national government in charge of the militia would presuppose national regulation. Of course the states have a role.

Article 1, Section 8, Clause 16

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

READ THE FRIGGIN CONSTITUTION!

READ THE FRIGGIN CONSTITUTION!

More importantly, read is case law; the Constitution exists only in the context of its case law.

Those on the right won’t like it or agree with it – but conservatives shouldn’t make the mistake of being ignorant of it.

 

[Harry Dresden]

These people believe in little to no regulations so big business can do as they please. They probably hate every advancement in human rights of the past 200 years.

there it is again....THESE PEOPLE....who are they?....

It's strange that Matt claimed to being very conservative only to switch to being one of the biggest progressives alive.

he repeats a lot of the same shit over and over......

 

[norwegen]

@M.D. Rawlings @Spiderman

Indeed. It did not mean regulated by the federal government at all.

A national government in charge of the militia would presuppose national regulation. Of course the states have a role.

Article 1, Section 8, Clause 16

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

READ THE FRIGGIN CONSTITUTION!

READ THE FRIGGIN CONSTITUTION!

More importantly, read is case law; the Constitution exists only in the context of its case law.

Those on the right won’t like it or agree with it – but conservatives shouldn’t make the mistake of being ignorant of it.

The Constitution exists in the context of history. It could be understood in context when it was ratified.

 

[FJO]

there it is again....THESE PEOPLE....who are they?....

It's strange that Matt claimed to being very conservative only to switch to being one of the biggest progressives alive.

he repeats a lot of the same shit over and over......

... and expects different result.

According to Einstein, that is sure sign of insanity.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Yeah, we know, the Republicans decided to go to war with Dems to stop slavery.

The Republicans who fought against slavery were Liberals.

more like Republicans who knew the difference between right and wrong....

Liberals. Party affiliation was not akin to ideology

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Message to Libertarians and others: The founding fathers believed in regulation

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Madison as well as Hamilton believed the nation needed a strong and more powerful central government than had previously existed. Federalist papers?

So why are people who are hostile to regulation like the Federalist Society always claiming to be the heirs of the traditions and ideals of Madison and Hamilton as well as claiming them as their inspiration and role models?

I understand the clueless, ill-educated here and elsewhere on the web making such ridiculous and absurd errors, but...

Madison abandoned the Federalist Party to ally with the Republicans. He did not approve of the monarchical tendencies of Washington, Hamilton, and Adams or their belief in implied powers and a central bank. Jefferson's administration reduced the size of the federal government considerably.

Hamilton was an arrogant, ambitious Secretary of State who thought that America should have been a fiscal-military state with a complex financial network, a state that could rival any of the European powers. European-style power is exactly the kind of authority the Americans had divested themselves of a dozen years earlier.

And a majority of the Philadelphia Convention delegates believed the central government should be stronger. That's why we have a Constitution rather than just a revised Articles.

true

the rest of your post is nothing but a rant stuffed with opinion and bullshit

 

[norwegen]

Message to Libertarians and others: The founding fathers believed in regulation

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Madison as well as Hamilton believed the nation needed a strong and more powerful central government than had previously existed. Federalist papers?

So why are people who are hostile to regulation like the Federalist Society always claiming to be the heirs of the traditions and ideals of Madison and Hamilton as well as claiming them as their inspiration and role models?

I understand the clueless, ill-educated here and elsewhere on the web making such ridiculous and absurd errors, but...

Madison abandoned the Federalist Party to ally with the Republicans. He did not approve of the monarchical tendencies of Washington, Hamilton, and Adams or their belief in implied powers and a central bank. Jefferson's administration reduced the size of the federal government considerably.

Hamilton was an arrogant, ambitious Secretary of State who thought that America should have been a fiscal-military state with a complex financial network, a state that could rival any of the European powers. European-style power is exactly the kind of authority the Americans had divested themselves of a dozen years earlier.

And a majority of the Philadelphia Convention delegates believed the central government should be stronger. That's why we have a Constitution rather than just a revised Articles.

true

the rest of your post is nothing but a rant stuffed with opinion and bullshit

Good one. Very substantive.