Mexican President: We're not paying for the wall.

[NYcarbineer]

Oh yea and how much is 20-30 billion upfront cost (though there is also increased ongoing cost) divided by "take out of tens of millions?"

The tens of millions is an annual number so we could easily pay to secure the border with the money we piss away to Mexico

I insist you do some math.

No? Don't want to?

Ok let me do it for you:

Assuming we take out 10 million a year, it will take 250 YEARS to pay off 25 billion dollar wall...WITHOUT any interest considerations and ongoing maintenance costs which will of course easily be many many tens of millions in annual costs.

What you just said is nonsense, sorry.

I have an easier solution. Place armed guards along the border. Far less of a cost and you don't have to worry about someone trying it twice.

You're into shooting 8 year olds? Moms holding infants?
Never mind, it's you. Of course you would.

You're into letting illegals openly waltz into the U.S.? Of course you are.

Waltz? Did someone say waltz?

 

[Mac1958]

Trump once again said yesterday (somewhat cryptically) that Mexico is going to pay for the wall.

Either he has a master secret plan, or he's just blowing silly smoke to keep his base happy.

Gosh, I wonder which one it is.
.

 

[Conservative65]

The tens of millions is an annual number so we could easily pay to secure the border with the money we piss away to Mexico

I insist you do some math.

No? Don't want to?

Ok let me do it for you:

Assuming we take out 10 million a year, it will take 250 YEARS to pay off 25 billion dollar wall...WITHOUT any interest considerations and ongoing maintenance costs which will of course easily be many many tens of millions in annual costs.

What you just said is nonsense, sorry.

I have an easier solution. Place armed guards along the border. Far less of a cost and you don't have to worry about someone trying it twice.

You're into shooting 8 year olds? Moms holding infants?
Never mind, it's you. Of course you would.

You're into letting illegals openly waltz into the U.S.? Of course you are.

Waltz? Did someone say waltz?

I said post armed guards at the border so they can't. Pay attention, retard.

 

[Camp]

We can just take the cost out of the tens of millions of dollars we give them every year

Oh yea and how much is 20-30 billion upfront cost (though there is also increased ongoing cost) divided by "take out of tens of millions?"

The tens of millions is an annual number so we could easily pay to secure the border with the money we piss away to Mexico

It is still our own money. Just because we stop giving aid to Mexico doesn't mean the money is Mexico's. You are proposing we pay for the wall ourselves, with our own money.

It's our border so yes we just don't give the money to Mexico.

So we reclaim wasted money to use for our own purposes
We could always place a tariff on any products from Mexico if you like

Most foreign aid comes right back in the form of purchases of American products and services, no matter which country is getting the aid.

 

[Fang]

Trump's disastrous trip to Mexico proves once again why Politics is a profession...best left to professionals. He's now a national embarassment.

Oh please, listening to MSNBC and CNN even those commentators are saying Trump looked presidential. The trip was huge success for Trump's campaign and I would expect nothing less from the Mexican President with his tweet. It's called negotiation. Each man is positioning himself in the event Trump wins. Yesterday was a preliminary meeting and no one would expect payment of the wall to be discussed. Hillary looked small and weak yesterday and Obama looked insignificant.

I have no idea who will win in November. I still maintain it's Hillary's to lose. But anyone at least being objective can recognize that Trump had a great day yesterday. It can only help his poll numbers. Your post is everything that is wrong with the 2 party system and partisanship.

 

[OldLady]

Oh yea and how much is 20-30 billion upfront cost (though there is also increased ongoing cost) divided by "take out of tens of millions?"

The tens of millions is an annual number so we could easily pay to secure the border with the money we piss away to Mexico

I insist you do some math.

No? Don't want to?

Ok let me do it for you:

Assuming we take out 10 million a year, it will take 250 YEARS to pay off 25 billion dollar wall...WITHOUT any interest considerations and ongoing maintenance costs which will of course easily be many many tens of millions in annual costs.

What you just said is nonsense, sorry.

I have an easier solution. Place armed guards along the border. Far less of a cost and you don't have to worry about someone trying it twice.

You're into shooting 8 year olds? Moms holding infants?
Never mind, it's you. Of course you would.

You're into letting illegals openly waltz into the U.S.? Of course you are.

NO! I'm not! Shooting them is another story, though.

 

[Conservative65]

The tens of millions is an annual number so we could easily pay to secure the border with the money we piss away to Mexico

I insist you do some math.

No? Don't want to?

Ok let me do it for you:

Assuming we take out 10 million a year, it will take 250 YEARS to pay off 25 billion dollar wall...WITHOUT any interest considerations and ongoing maintenance costs which will of course easily be many many tens of millions in annual costs.

What you just said is nonsense, sorry.

I have an easier solution. Place armed guards along the border. Far less of a cost and you don't have to worry about someone trying it twice.

You're into shooting 8 year olds? Moms holding infants?
Never mind, it's you. Of course you would.

You're into letting illegals openly waltz into the U.S.? Of course you are.

NO! I'm not! Shooting them is another story, though.

It solves the problem and it's cheaper than building a wall. Why are you opposed to cost effective solutions for people sneaking into the U.S. "house".? If someone tried to sneak into my personal house, I'd defend it that way.

 

[OldLady]

What is "looking Presidential?" Wearing a suit and not picking your nose? To me, Trump had a sour face during that joint press conference in Mexico. I wondered if his lunch hadn't set quite right. He read all his words off a piece of paper with stumbling concentration. Words someone else wrote for him, probably on the plane prior to the meeting, so it didn't matter what was actually said. Including any "discussion" of who would pay for the wall.

 

[Correll]

Trump's disastrous trip to Mexico proves once again why Politics is a profession...best left to professionals. He's now a national embarassment.

Fuck Mexico. If they are unhappy with US, that is a good sign.

 

[Camp]

I insist you do some math.

No? Don't want to?

Ok let me do it for you:

Assuming we take out 10 million a year, it will take 250 YEARS to pay off 25 billion dollar wall...WITHOUT any interest considerations and ongoing maintenance costs which will of course easily be many many tens of millions in annual costs.

What you just said is nonsense, sorry.

I have an easier solution. Place armed guards along the border. Far less of a cost and you don't have to worry about someone trying it twice.

You're into shooting 8 year olds? Moms holding infants?
Never mind, it's you. Of course you would.

You're into letting illegals openly waltz into the U.S.? Of course you are.

NO! I'm not! Shooting them is another story, though.

It solves the problem and it's cheaper than building a wall. Why are you opposed to cost effective solutions for people sneaking into the U.S. "house".? If someone tried to sneak into my personal house, I'd defend it that way.

You are talking about shooting people who come onto your yard, not into your house.

 

[Correll]

Trump once again said yesterday (somewhat cryptically) that Mexico is going to pay for the wall.

Either he has a master secret plan, or he's just blowing silly smoke to keep his base happy.

Gosh, I wonder which one it is.
.

From his web site.

Pay for the Wall


COMPELLING MEXICO TO PAY FOR THE WALL
Introduction: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326 - the "know your customer" provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121. It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:

• On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.
• On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.
• On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.
• Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are selling far more to you than the reverse - thus they, not you, stand to lose from enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S. industries in the past).
• Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty - our approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy. Keep in mind, the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment for our own citizens and recent migrants.
• Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S. citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.

Conclusion: Mexico has taken advantage of us in another way as well: gangs, drug traffickers and cartels have freely exploited our open borders and committed vast numbers of crimes inside the United States. The United States has borne the extraordinary daily cost of this criminal activity, including the cost of trials and incarcerations. Not to mention the even greater human cost. We have the moral high ground here, and all the leverage. It is time we use it in order to Make America Great Again.

 

[The VOR]

We can just take the cost out of the tens of millions of dollars we give them every year

Oh yea and how much is 20-30 billion upfront cost (though there is also increased ongoing cost) divided by "take out of tens of millions?"

The tens of millions is an annual number so we could easily pay to secure the border with the money we piss away to Mexico

I insist you do some math.

No? Don't want to?

Ok let me do it for you:

Assuming we take out 10 million a year, it will take 250 YEARS to pay off 25 billion dollar wall...WITHOUT any interest considerations and ongoing maintenance costs which will of course easily be many many tens of millions in annual costs.

What you just said is nonsense, sorry.

I have an easier solution. Place armed guards along the border. Far less of a cost and you don't have to worry about someone trying it twice.

You're into shooting 8 year olds? Moms holding infants?
Never mind, it's you. Of course you would.

He wouldn't do anything himself. He's just an internet tough guy, talking the talk. He wants others to do it for him. He is afraid of his own shadow.

 

[Conservative65]

I have an easier solution. Place armed guards along the border. Far less of a cost and you don't have to worry about someone trying it twice.

You're into shooting 8 year olds? Moms holding infants?
Never mind, it's you. Of course you would.

You're into letting illegals openly waltz into the U.S.? Of course you are.

NO! I'm not! Shooting them is another story, though.

It solves the problem and it's cheaper than building a wall. Why are you opposed to cost effective solutions for people sneaking into the U.S. "house".? If someone tried to sneak into my personal house, I'd defend it that way.

You are talking about shooting people who come onto your yard, not into your house.

They're criminals coming in my country's "house".

 

[Claudette]

Of course Mexico won't pay for a wall. They want their people in America sending back all those dollars that the Mexican economy needs.

 

[candycorn]

Trump's disastrous trip to Mexico proves once again why Politics is a profession...best left to professionals. He's now a national embarassment.

Oh please, listening to MSNBC and CNN even those commentators are saying Trump looked presidential. The trip was huge success for Trump's campaign and I would expect nothing less from the Mexican President with his tweet. It's called negotiation. Each man is positioning himself in the event Trump wins. Yesterday was a preliminary meeting and no one would expect payment of the wall to be discussed. Hillary looked small and weak yesterday and Obama looked insignificant.

I have no idea who will win in November. I still maintain it's Hillary's to lose. But anyone at least being objective can recognize that Trump had a great day yesterday. It can only help his poll numbers. Your post is everything that is wrong with the 2 party system and partisanship.

That is pretty true…given his poll numbers can do little else but rise.

Yesterday was just another example of the unpredictability and foolishness of this man and his campaign.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

There's no incentive for Mexico to upfront pay for the wall. The only way to "Make Mexico Pay" is to use some of the legal tools that came out of the Patriot Act to seize money being wire-transferred south. That isn't likely to work though as I can guarantee that gets tied up in the courts as soon as even one legitimate wire transfer from a native citizen to a person south of the border gets seized. On top of that, as soon as the order is signed you'll see that money get funneled through the black market.

You could cut off aid to Mexico, but that just lets Russia step in and cozy up to the Mexican government. Foreign aid buys the US influence and allows us to curb the growing influence of China and Russia.

End of the day, a wall comes out of the US Budget somewhere. Maintenance of the wall will have to come out somewhere. And it won't be cheap. The US-Mexican boarder is long, winding, and has some really harsh terrain.

You can do it better and cheaper via electronic and satellite observation with an active interception force. You could pay for it by pulling the military out of a lot of the forward projection bases we have staged all over the world and redeploying them at the border. If this is a priority, it can be done. Trump is just choosing the stupidest, most expensive, and least likely to work way.

 

[edthecynic]

We can just take the cost out of the tens of millions of dollars we give them every year

The $30 million per year we give Mexico to fight the drug lords won't even cover the yearly interest on debt we will run up building the "beautiful" wall.

 

[AntonToo]

in case you didn't know there are 10 sets of 10 million in 100 million so the term tens of millions is perfectly acceptable to describe 100 million dollars

Thats just pathetic.

and you might want to learn how to use Google

http://us-foreign-aid.insidegov.com/q/112/1590/How-much-money-does-the-U-S-give-to-Mexico

Or I could just let YOU support assertion YOU make, just as I support assertions I make.

Burden of proof - GOOGLE IT.

Now lets suppose we take ALL of this aid and let the place get run over by drug lords (since most of that money goes to support Mexican forces). Completely ruin the relationship with our neighbor and possibly deeply undermine well-being of that whole country, and oh by the way our own economic interests there.

We do all this and guess what, that money over 10-20 years is not even going to cover interest and maintenance expenses building that Trump Wall will entail.

 

[AntonToo]

I never said we had them. I asked a simple question to you if that was what you suggested. You gave a simple minded response.

Sounds as if your mathematically and factually sound grounds means whatever you support. I suggested how to handle it and it's way cheaper.

Way cheaper? To place guards with guns along the entire south border?

Lets do some dirty math:

1,989 miles of south border.

How much do you think it would cost to keep daily 3 shifts (about 5 FTE at $200k inc equipment, facilities administration and etc.) of guards for every 1 mile of it?

About 2 billion/ year - is that really cheaper?

I'm not against spending money, if it is worth it for Americans, but given ALREADY leveling off or even some decline among illigals is it really a major problem to spend time and resources on? Seems like this is more a case of scapegoating illegals for all our problems.

 

[Wilbur Right]

Way cheaper? To place guards with guns along the entire south border?

You gonna have to pay those guys real good. Talk about a boring job.