Millions lose coverage

[eagle1462010]

Naw. Everything was peachy keen before the election. That last article was from 2015.

 

[MaryL]

Sanders: How can you call it 'reform' when millions will lose insurance?

Nice one repubs, good luck with your pile of shit.

No, I have to ask, Obama and trump are ignoring the obvious here: Go after the big THREE: 1) Pharmaceutical industry, 2) Health Insurance companies. 3) The AMA.
There has to be some collusion between these groups that is driving up health care cost for profits. And THAT should be investigated, not some government imposed jerry-rigged, after the fact schemes to balance that out. Go after the CULPRITS and fix the real issue here!

 

[Flopper]

lol, the GOP claims that competition is going to get the insurance companies to offer better coverage at lower prices.
Hell, they're leaving the exchanges NOW because they can't make enough money.

Forcing coverage of pre existing conditions cemented the failure that is to come.
Insurance was never ment to be your personal medical bank account.

Insurance companies will never be forced to cover known preexisting conditions. Those people will have to be taken out of the pool and given their own benefit much like miners with black lung had provision made for them.

Yes they will, and it needs to happen.

Not necessarily.

Same companies, same insurance plans but you rate those applicants with prexisting conditions separately and government pays the difference between the standard premium and the high risk premium. If this was done with Obamacare, the premiums would be a fraction of what they are today.

Before Obamacare, 29% of applicants for individual policies were classified as high risk because of prexisting conditions. Due to cost, of high risk plans, only 1 in 3 applicants purchased a plan.

The government doesn't pay for anything; the American taxpayer pays.

That's a given. The problem with Obamacare is democrats tried keep tax payer cost down since we had huge increases in spending due to the recession. This resulted in a 1 trillion dollar cost to tax payers over 10 years, 100 billion a year or an increase in cost of 3% of total government spending. What should have been done then and what the American healthcare Act should do now is pay the difference between the cost of a health insurance premium and the premium with prexisting conditions. This would have increased government spending to 4%, a 1% increase. Had this been done healthcare plan premium and deductibles would have been about the same as they were prior to Obamacare. Republicans could do this now and solve the problem of high premiums and deductibles but that is not going to happen of course because republicans today like democrats in 2009 must cater to the ideology beliefs of constituents.

 

[danielpalos]

lol, the GOP claims that competition is going to get the insurance companies to offer better coverage at lower prices.
Hell, they're leaving the exchanges NOW because they can't make enough money.

Forcing coverage of pre existing conditions cemented the failure that is to come.
Insurance was never ment to be your personal medical bank account.

Insurance companies will never be forced to cover known preexisting conditions. Those people will have to be taken out of the pool and given their own benefit much like miners with black lung had provision made for them.

Yes they will, and it needs to happen.

Not necessarily.

Same companies, same insurance plans but you rate those applicants with prexisting conditions separately and government pays the difference between the standard premium and the high risk premium. If this was done with Obamacare, the premiums would be a fraction of what they are today.

Before Obamacare, 29% of applicants for individual policies were classified as high risk because of prexisting conditions. Due to cost, of high risk plans, only 1 in 3 applicants purchased a plan.

The government doesn't pay for anything; the American taxpayer pays.

Your point? The Power to Tax is delegated by the People.

 

[danielpalos]

Every citizen should have guranteed childcare, schooling, healthcare, minimum income, housing & food subsidies, state employment, and fully funded retirement...

Equality of outcomes for all !!! Lmfao

It is called nurture. It helps individuals flourish.

It's called being a lazy puke.

fallacy induced fantasy, is all the right wing usually has to work with.

You aren't up for any of this, you prefer illiteracy to education.

It is called nurture. It helps individuals flourish.

 

[danielpalos]

The insurance companies are leaving the exchanges because they can't make enough money, and yet,

the Republicans claim their plan will get you that insurance at an even cheaper price.

How the FUCK will that work?

I make a motion to raise revenue for the general government, with federal charters for ventures that provide health care, as a public good and public service.

Federally chartered ventures would have a national market.

 

[Flopper]

Sanders: How can you call it 'reform' when millions will lose insurance?

Nice one repubs, good luck with your pile of shit.

Did you know that millions were already set to lose their insurance under Obamacare? Do you know how many already lost it under Obamacare?

Insurance companies were leaving because they couldn't afford to stay on the exchanges.

Who is going to lose insurance under Obamacare today? I keep hearing this but nothing to back it up.

 

[danielpalos]

10% of the insured drive 2/3rd's the cost of all spending according to the above report.

Expanding High Risk pools and getting them out of the regular market will determine if rates go up or down. And the cost of doing so is very high. Much higher than the added spending in the current bill. MUCH more than temporary PCIP under Obamacare. It is this portion that is the Crux of the problem with getting insurance rates down for the country.

Doing so without kicking those with pre-existing conditions to the curb is the real deal debate.

What if, high risk participants are diverted to welfare, instead of more commercial exchanges.

The reasoning is, that a "common offense" can be advance on "common denominators" that affect the most people; or other criteria that may meet a given exigency.

That way, we can simply, "concentrate wealth" to overcome those mundane and "human afflictions".

In my opinion, it should be a more effective use of resources.

 

[Indeependent]

Sanders: How can you call it 'reform' when millions will lose insurance?

Nice one repubs, good luck with your pile of shit.

Did you know that millions were already set to lose their insurance under Obamacare? Do you know how many already lost it under Obamacare?

Insurance companies were leaving because they couldn't afford to stay on the exchanges.

Who is going to lose insurance under Obamacare today? I keep hearing this but nothing to back it up.

How many people do you know who have ObamaCare?

 

[Flopper]

Sanders: How can you call it 'reform' when millions will lose insurance?

Nice one repubs, good luck with your pile of shit.

No, I have to ask, Obama and trump are ignoring the obvious here: Go after the big THREE: 1) Pharmaceutical industry, 2) Health Insurance companies. 3) The AMA.
There has to be some collusion between these groups that is driving up health care cost for profits. And THAT should be investigated, not some government imposed jerry-rigged, after the fact schemes to balance that out. Go after the CULPRITS and fix the real issue here!

Insurance companies and pharmaceuticals, yes but the AMA?

 

[Flopper]

Sanders: How can you call it 'reform' when millions will lose insurance?

Nice one repubs, good luck with your pile of shit.

Did you know that millions were already set to lose their insurance under Obamacare? Do you know how many already lost it under Obamacare?

Insurance companies were leaving because they couldn't afford to stay on the exchanges.

Who is going to lose insurance under Obamacare today? I keep hearing this but nothing to back it up.

How many people do you know who have ObamaCare?

Actually, everyone that has a health insurance plan today is under the Obamacare law.

 

[Johann]

It's not like people could afford care anyway, after Obamacare raised health care prices through the fucking roof.

 

[Indeependent]

Sanders: How can you call it 'reform' when millions will lose insurance?

Nice one repubs, good luck with your pile of shit.

Did you know that millions were already set to lose their insurance under Obamacare? Do you know how many already lost it under Obamacare?

Insurance companies were leaving because they couldn't afford to stay on the exchanges.

Who is going to lose insurance under Obamacare today? I keep hearing this but nothing to back it up.

How many people do you know who have ObamaCare?

Actually, everyone that has a health insurance plan today is under the Obamacare law.

How many people do you know who have to purchase their own Health Insurance as opposed to getting it through their employer?

 

[Flopper]

It's not like people could afford care anyway, after Obamacare raised health care prices through the fucking roof.

Health care prices increase have been in range of 2% a year to 3.8% since 2009. Currently it's about 3%, not much different than the previous 10 years. Over the last 10 years cost increases have been decreasing. The problem is not the increase in cost of health care services but the cost of healthcare insurance.
CPI: Medical Care Cost

 

[Johann]

It's not like people could afford care anyway, after Obamacare raised health care prices through the fucking roof.

Health care prices increase have been in range of 2% a year to 3.8% since 2009. Currently it's about 3%, not much different than the previous 10 years. Over the last 10 years cost increases have been decreasing. The problem is not the increase in cost of health care services but the cost of healthcare insurance.
CPI: Medical Care Cost

Medicare for all is a far better plan, but Obamacare is broken in my opinion.

It's better than the Republican alternative, but our ship is sinking and we need to plug holes, fast.

Healthcare should cost a fraction of what it cost now.

 

[AntonToo]

Who are those millions, the ones who didn't want it in the first place but were forced to buy it or be prosecuted?

low income people who's Medicaid will be slashed, and slightly higher income people who's ACA subsidy will be drastically reduced, pricing them out of the market.

And yes there will be those that don't want to be insured, who too will drop out. But the final result of will be price increase for everyone remaining in the market (esp. older people) which will be offset by inferiority of the insurance products, detailed carefully in pages and pages of fine print consumers will not read.

This is the wagon Republicans in the house hitched their wagon to. Threw a keg party with Trump to celebrate too.

 

[Picaro]

Most of the policies people have aren't worth the paper they're written on, and those with deductibles higher than the cost of an office visit are ridiculous. Those with the $4,000 plus deductibles are for the truly stupid, and aren't insurance, they're scams. Most people are uninsured; they just don't know it.

 

[Flopper]

It's not like people could afford care anyway, after Obamacare raised health care prices through the fucking roof.

Health care prices increase have been in range of 2% a year to 3.8% since 2009. Currently it's about 3%, not much different than the previous 10 years. Over the last 10 years cost increases have been decreasing. The problem is not the increase in cost of health care services but the cost of healthcare insurance.
CPI: Medical Care Cost

Medicare for all is a far better plan, but Obamacare is broken in my opinion.

It's better than the Republican alternative, but our ship is sinking and we need to plug holes, fast.

Healthcare should cost a fraction of what it cost now.

I agree healthcare should cost less, a lot less but the cost has little to do with insurance premiums and deductibles but rather the cost of delivering the service, the lack of coordination of services, holes in insurance networks, and the lack of use of safety nets.

 

[S.J.]

There are alternatives if the government doesn't step in and stop the free market from doing what they do best.
Cutting Out Insurance: Monthly Memberships for Health Care

 

[Flopper]

Most of the policies people have aren't worth the paper they're written on, and those with deductibles higher than the cost of an office visit are ridiculous. Those with the $4,000 plus deductibles are for the truly stupid, and aren't insurance, they're scams. Most people are uninsured; they just don't know it.

Actually that is insurance. $4,000 is nothing when it comes to serious healthcare expenses which should be the reasons we purchase insurance. Paying a monthly fee to get routine healthcare bills paid is in effect a health savings plan, not insurance. The purpose of insurance is to pay for catastrophic health cost that we can't possibly afford.