Mixed feelings about Jones' win......

[gipper]

Although I am very happy that most Alabamans have chosen sanity over racism, sexism and xenophobia in electing Jones over the catastrophe that was his opponent, there's a part of me that really wanted Moore to be there .....as a poster child of ALL that is wrong with the GOP segment that is really a Trump Cult.

Without doubt, Trump will blame everything between heaven and hell BUT himself for this severe loss last night.......that's expected by a clueless, megalomaniac, but others around him will see that they just dodged a bullet in not having future pictures of themselves "congratulating" Moore and welcoming this low-life into the GOP fold.

Too bad, in a way, I had wanted for every republican candidate, next year, to be asked of their alliance with the likes of Moore...........but, Alabama did the right thing for both the state and the nation.

Now, after Virginia, New Jersey and Alabama, let Trump cultist try to revamp the mantra of "we won, we won, Trump is the greatest, etc.".............IT WON"T WORK and this is just the beginning, a prelude to the oncoming "storm" to soon hit the WH.... and in the righting of the rudder of the Trump Titanic.

Don't worry about it. There is little difference between Rs and Ds...and one senator has little power to change things.

Agreed.

One needs to ask the question, why was the Democratic establishment working with the neoconservatives to defeat Moore?

Why were the Statists, socialists, athiests and globalists so willing to work with the corporatists to make sure Moore would not be in the Senate? This wasn't about his past transgressions.

When the left is hiring Frank Luntz, something seriously stinks in River City.

A new precedent has been set

My hope is the vote was to keep an idiot out of our senate.

That's hilarious.

The senate is currently full of idiots. Remember...Big Ears was a senator.

 

[miketx]

Although I am very happy that most Alabamans have chosen sanity over racism, sexism and xenophobia in electing Jones over the catastrophe that was his opponent, there's a part of me that really wanted Moore to be there .....as a poster child of ALL that is wrong with the GOP segment that is really a Trump Cult.

Without doubt, Trump will blame everything between heaven and hell BUT himself for this severe loss last night.......that's expected by a clueless, megalomaniac, but others around him will see that they just dodged a bullet in not having future pictures of themselves "congratulating" Moore and welcoming this low-life into the GOP fold.

Too bad, in a way, I had wanted for every republican candidate, next year, to be asked of their alliance with the likes of Moore...........but, Alabama did the right thing for both the state and the nation.

Now, after Virginia, New Jersey and Alabama, let Trump cultist try to revamp the mantra of "we won, we won, Trump is the greatest, etc.".............IT WON"T WORK and this is just the beginning, a prelude to the oncoming "storm" to soon hit the WH.... and in the righting of the rudder of the Trump Titanic.

My God you freak! You won and you're still crying like the little bitch you are!

 

[gipper]

This had everything to do with brain washing and fear mongering.

"Brain washing" accusations from a Trump CULT member like you???...........LOL

Just about everyone on this forum that knows my posting knows that I didn't vote for Trump and knows my views, yet you think since I don't support yours, you have this POV;

"Anyone that doesn't think like you is automatically a Trump supporter. Either they are with you, or they are against you."

There is no nuance, no room for discernment. You see the world in black and white.

I believe this is as much your weakness as it is the weakness of those you rail against.


When I say that the results of this election were a result of "brain washing," what I mean, is that not only did Democrats pour in money to Jones campaign, but the neo-cons, the establishment conservatives, those aligned with the Romney types, the Bush types, and the war making establishment, also supported Jones, for whatever reason.

Moore, like Pence, is a Dominionist, as well as being associated with the grass roots Tea Party. The neo-cons and globalists are more afraid of his Domionist links and their growing power than they are of Jones who they believe they can pay off for what ever reason.

Be careful who you get in bed with.

Mystery money floods Alabama in Senate race's final days

Pro-Doug Jones Super PAC Using Voter Intimidation Tactics — Ad Claims ‘Your Vote Is Public Record’
Pro-Doug Jones Super PAC Using Voter Intimidation Tactics - Ad Claims 'Your Vote Is Public Record' - Breitbart

I see this quite differently. It was Trump and the Moore campaign that warned the sky would fall if Jones were elected. I heard one of Jones' speeches and he sure didn't sound like a hair on fire progressive to me. Trump said the MAGA movement DEPENDED on Moore being elected. That's crazy talk. Repubs still have a majority for a year.

I don't know much about the grass roots Tea Party or what neo-cons are supposed to be or what a Dominionist is, but Roy Moore's values went a bit too far impinging on the rights of others. Regardless of what he likes sexually, I think our entire country needs to stay as far from bigotry as we can. Muslims can't serve in Congress? Homosexuality should be illegal? Ditch all but the Bill of Rights and take freedom from slaves, votes from women?
I don't think we can abide that in 2017 in the halls of Congress. You can have a little club that meets in the barn that believes in that stuff, but a major political party shouldn't support it.
Moore wants his religion to apply to all, and that ain't right now, was never right.

Thank you for your very informed and intelligent reply Old Lady, always a pleasure to read respectful posts.

I would agree with all of that.

That is why, If I were an Alabama voter, I would have just abstained.

What I was addressing were the Deep State machinations. I am primarily concerned with why the establishment, both the neo-conservatives, meaning the republican party establishment at the CFR, and the Democratic establishment, both wanted Jones to win. A one party system to me, stinks of tyrrany.

OTH, you are right, Moore is no option at all. I remember having a conversation with a bi-sexual girl friend of mine about this article;

Roy Moore Blames Lesbians And Socialists For Sexual Misconduct Accusations
Roy Moore says lesbian, gay and transgender people are behind the misconduct allegations against him
We went to the source of these rumors, the credibility of the yearbook inscription and the witness, and even though she agreed with me that those relationships were probably consensual, and these accusations were probably distorted, him using this inflammatory and divisive language and acting like a bigot is as despicable as what his opponents do. Divide and conquer is divide and conquer, it doesn't matter who does it. I hate bigotry. All sides are doing it. He IS a piece of shit. It really doesn't matter if those relationships were consensual. Even if your are a conservative that holds that homosexuality is either a "sin" or a "mental illness," the way he was acting on the campaign WAS hateful, and lacked all compassion and consensus building. You are correct. He WAS pandering, in a much worse way than Trump ever did.

When the system gives you no viable option, the only option you have is to boycott.



The thing I don't think you understand though, is that the Republican party is NOT united. There are establishment Republicans that tow the party line, the CFR globalist agenda very closely, and then there are nationalists that do not want to subvert the sovereignty of the Constitution to the rule of the UN and multinational corporate treaties. These two factions are even now arguing about how they are going to reform taxes to give power to globalist corporations or local mom and pop American companies. It might not pass.

The nationalists will make common cause with the Dominionists if it will help their cause.
Dominionism: A ‘dangerous’ Christian movement influencing Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry?

I'm sure you are familiar and aware of all the separate infighting in the Democrat party? Well, the intrigue in the Republican party is just as intense. And some of those Republicans would gladly sink Moore if it means keeping a Dominionist out of the Senate.

Clearly the two party system is a scam and a fraud. If only all Americans would come to realize this.

Sadly we have so many dupes like Nat, who can't see the forest for the trees. The elephant is clearly in the room for all to see, but Nat and those like him have blinders on making them thoughtless.

 

[easyt65]

My God you freak! You won and you're still crying like the little bitch you are!

 

[miketx]

This had everything to do with brain washing and fear mongering.

"Brain washing" accusations from a Trump CULT member like you???...........LOL

Just about everyone on this forum that knows my posting knows that I didn't vote for Trump and knows my views, yet you think since I don't support yours, you have this POV;

"Anyone that doesn't think like you is automatically a Trump supporter. Either they are with you, or they are against you."

There is no nuance, no room for discernment. You see the world in black and white.

I believe this is as much your weakness as it is the weakness of those you rail against.


When I say that the results of this election were a result of "brain washing," what I mean, is that not only did Democrats pour in money to Jones campaign, but the neo-cons, the establishment conservatives, those aligned with the Romney types, the Bush types, and the war making establishment, also supported Jones, for whatever reason.

Moore, like Pence, is a Dominionist, as well as being associated with the grass roots Tea Party. The neo-cons and globalists are more afraid of his Domionist links and their growing power than they are of Jones who they believe they can pay off for what ever reason.

Be careful who you get in bed with.

Mystery money floods Alabama in Senate race's final days

Pro-Doug Jones Super PAC Using Voter Intimidation Tactics — Ad Claims ‘Your Vote Is Public Record’
Pro-Doug Jones Super PAC Using Voter Intimidation Tactics - Ad Claims 'Your Vote Is Public Record' - Breitbart

I see this quite differently. It was Trump and the Moore campaign that warned the sky would fall if Jones were elected. I heard one of Jones' speeches and he sure didn't sound like a hair on fire progressive to me. Trump said the MAGA movement DEPENDED on Moore being elected. That's crazy talk. Repubs still have a majority for a year.

I don't know much about the grass roots Tea Party or what neo-cons are supposed to be or what a Dominionist is, but Roy Moore's values went a bit too far impinging on the rights of others. Regardless of what he likes sexually, I think our entire country needs to stay as far from bigotry as we can. Muslims can't serve in Congress? Homosexuality should be illegal? Ditch all but the Bill of Rights and take freedom from slaves, votes from women?
I don't think we can abide that in 2017 in the halls of Congress. You can have a little club that meets in the barn that believes in that stuff, but a major political party shouldn't support it.
Moore wants his religion to apply to all, and that ain't right now, was never right.

Thank you for your very informed and intelligent reply Old Lady, always a pleasure to read respectful posts.

I would agree with all of that.

That is why, If I were an Alabama voter, I would have just abstained.

What I was addressing were the Deep State machinations. I am primarily concerned with why the establishment, both the neo-conservatives, meaning the republican party establishment at the CFR, and the Democratic establishment, both wanted Jones to win. A one party system to me, stinks of tyrrany.

OTH, you are right, Moore is no option at all. I remember having a conversation with a bi-sexual girl friend of mine about this article;

Roy Moore Blames Lesbians And Socialists For Sexual Misconduct Accusations
Roy Moore says lesbian, gay and transgender people are behind the misconduct allegations against him
We went to the source of these rumors, the credibility of the yearbook inscription and the witness, and even though she agreed with me that those relationships were probably consensual, and these accusations were probably distorted, him using this inflammatory and divisive language and acting like a bigot is as despicable as what his opponents do. Divide and conquer is divide and conquer, it doesn't matter who does it. I hate bigotry. All sides are doing it. He IS a piece of shit. It really doesn't matter if those relationships were consensual. Even if your are a conservative that holds that homosexuality is either a "sin" or a "mental illness," the way he was acting on the campaign WAS hateful, and lacked all compassion and consensus building. You are correct. He WAS pandering, in a much worse way than Trump ever did.

When the system gives you no viable option, the only option you have is to boycott.



The thing I don't think you understand though, is that the Republican party is NOT united. There are establishment Republicans that tow the party line, the CFR globalist agenda very closely, and then there are nationalists that do not want to subvert the sovereignty of the Constitution to the rule of the UN and multinational corporate treaties. These two factions are even now arguing about how they are going to reform taxes to give power to globalist corporations or local mom and pop American companies. It might not pass.

The nationalists will make common cause with the Dominionists if it will help their cause.
Dominionism: A ‘dangerous’ Christian movement influencing Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry?

I'm sure you are familiar and aware of all the separate infighting in the Democrat party? Well, the intrigue in the Republican party is just as intense. And some of those Republicans would gladly sink Moore if it means keeping a Dominionist out of the Senate.

Clearly the two party system is a scam and a fraud. If only all Americans would come to realize this.

Sadly we have so many dupes like Nat, who can't see the forest for the trees. The elephant is clearly in the room for all to see, but Nat and those like him have blinders on making them thoughtless.

You don't understand them. No one is that stupid. What they are is lying scum with an agenda.

 

[gipper]

Although I am very happy that most Alabamans have chosen sanity over racism, sexism and xenophobia in electing Jones over the catastrophe that was his opponent, there's a part of me that really wanted Moore to be there .....as a poster child of ALL that is wrong with the GOP segment that is really a Trump Cult.

Without doubt, Trump will blame everything between heaven and hell BUT himself for this severe loss last night.......that's expected by a clueless, megalomaniac, but others around him will see that they just dodged a bullet in not having future pictures of themselves "congratulating" Moore and welcoming this low-life into the GOP fold.

Too bad, in a way, I had wanted for every republican candidate, next year, to be asked of their alliance with the likes of Moore...........but, Alabama did the right thing for both the state and the nation.

Now, after Virginia, New Jersey and Alabama, let Trump cultist try to revamp the mantra of "we won, we won, Trump is the greatest, etc.".............IT WON"T WORK and this is just the beginning, a prelude to the oncoming "storm" to soon hit the WH.... and in the righting of the rudder of the Trump Titanic.

My God you freak! You won and you're still crying like the little bitch you are!

The reality is the only entity that won is the state and the elites who own it. It always wins like a casino the deck is stacked against the people, but the elites do very well.

 

[Correll]

The only negative here politically might be that the Right learns its lesson, and stops dragging the GOP further and further TO the rightwing insanity that they embrace.

One of the election exit poll results? Doug Jones won 3 out of 4 MODERATES.

Fools that don't realize that the media is their enemy.

 

[gipper]

"Brain washing" accusations from a Trump CULT member like you???...........LOL

Just about everyone on this forum that knows my posting knows that I didn't vote for Trump and knows my views, yet you think since I don't support yours, you have this POV;

"Anyone that doesn't think like you is automatically a Trump supporter. Either they are with you, or they are against you."

There is no nuance, no room for discernment. You see the world in black and white.

I believe this is as much your weakness as it is the weakness of those you rail against.


When I say that the results of this election were a result of "brain washing," what I mean, is that not only did Democrats pour in money to Jones campaign, but the neo-cons, the establishment conservatives, those aligned with the Romney types, the Bush types, and the war making establishment, also supported Jones, for whatever reason.

Moore, like Pence, is a Dominionist, as well as being associated with the grass roots Tea Party. The neo-cons and globalists are more afraid of his Domionist links and their growing power than they are of Jones who they believe they can pay off for what ever reason.

Be careful who you get in bed with.

Mystery money floods Alabama in Senate race's final days

Pro-Doug Jones Super PAC Using Voter Intimidation Tactics — Ad Claims ‘Your Vote Is Public Record’
Pro-Doug Jones Super PAC Using Voter Intimidation Tactics - Ad Claims 'Your Vote Is Public Record' - Breitbart

I see this quite differently. It was Trump and the Moore campaign that warned the sky would fall if Jones were elected. I heard one of Jones' speeches and he sure didn't sound like a hair on fire progressive to me. Trump said the MAGA movement DEPENDED on Moore being elected. That's crazy talk. Repubs still have a majority for a year.

I don't know much about the grass roots Tea Party or what neo-cons are supposed to be or what a Dominionist is, but Roy Moore's values went a bit too far impinging on the rights of others. Regardless of what he likes sexually, I think our entire country needs to stay as far from bigotry as we can. Muslims can't serve in Congress? Homosexuality should be illegal? Ditch all but the Bill of Rights and take freedom from slaves, votes from women?
I don't think we can abide that in 2017 in the halls of Congress. You can have a little club that meets in the barn that believes in that stuff, but a major political party shouldn't support it.
Moore wants his religion to apply to all, and that ain't right now, was never right.

Thank you for your very informed and intelligent reply Old Lady, always a pleasure to read respectful posts.

I would agree with all of that.

That is why, If I were an Alabama voter, I would have just abstained.

What I was addressing were the Deep State machinations. I am primarily concerned with why the establishment, both the neo-conservatives, meaning the republican party establishment at the CFR, and the Democratic establishment, both wanted Jones to win. A one party system to me, stinks of tyrrany.

OTH, you are right, Moore is no option at all. I remember having a conversation with a bi-sexual girl friend of mine about this article;

Roy Moore Blames Lesbians And Socialists For Sexual Misconduct Accusations
Roy Moore says lesbian, gay and transgender people are behind the misconduct allegations against him
We went to the source of these rumors, the credibility of the yearbook inscription and the witness, and even though she agreed with me that those relationships were probably consensual, and these accusations were probably distorted, him using this inflammatory and divisive language and acting like a bigot is as despicable as what his opponents do. Divide and conquer is divide and conquer, it doesn't matter who does it. I hate bigotry. All sides are doing it. He IS a piece of shit. It really doesn't matter if those relationships were consensual. Even if your are a conservative that holds that homosexuality is either a "sin" or a "mental illness," the way he was acting on the campaign WAS hateful, and lacked all compassion and consensus building. You are correct. He WAS pandering, in a much worse way than Trump ever did.

When the system gives you no viable option, the only option you have is to boycott.



The thing I don't think you understand though, is that the Republican party is NOT united. There are establishment Republicans that tow the party line, the CFR globalist agenda very closely, and then there are nationalists that do not want to subvert the sovereignty of the Constitution to the rule of the UN and multinational corporate treaties. These two factions are even now arguing about how they are going to reform taxes to give power to globalist corporations or local mom and pop American companies. It might not pass.

The nationalists will make common cause with the Dominionists if it will help their cause.
Dominionism: A ‘dangerous’ Christian movement influencing Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry?

I'm sure you are familiar and aware of all the separate infighting in the Democrat party? Well, the intrigue in the Republican party is just as intense. And some of those Republicans would gladly sink Moore if it means keeping a Dominionist out of the Senate.

Clearly the two party system is a scam and a fraud. If only all Americans would come to realize this.

Sadly we have so many dupes like Nat, who can't see the forest for the trees. The elephant is clearly in the room for all to see, but Nat and those like him have blinders on making them thoughtless.

You don't understand them. No one is that stupid. What they are is lying scum with an agenda.

No they are not. They are merely dupes and partisans.

Don't be a partisan of either party...doing so makes you DUMB!

 

[nat4900]

Clearly the two party system is a scam and a fraud. If only all Americans would come to realize this.

Sadly we have so many dupes like Nat, who can't see the forest for the trees. The elephant is clearly in the room for all to see, but Nat and those like him have blinders on making them thoughtless.

I simply love the new proclamations by morons of being "independents"....It happens a lot after a severe loss............LOL

 

[OldLady]

"Brain washing" accusations from a Trump CULT member like you???...........LOL

Just about everyone on this forum that knows my posting knows that I didn't vote for Trump and knows my views, yet you think since I don't support yours, you have this POV;

"Anyone that doesn't think like you is automatically a Trump supporter. Either they are with you, or they are against you."

There is no nuance, no room for discernment. You see the world in black and white.

I believe this is as much your weakness as it is the weakness of those you rail against.


When I say that the results of this election were a result of "brain washing," what I mean, is that not only did Democrats pour in money to Jones campaign, but the neo-cons, the establishment conservatives, those aligned with the Romney types, the Bush types, and the war making establishment, also supported Jones, for whatever reason.

Moore, like Pence, is a Dominionist, as well as being associated with the grass roots Tea Party. The neo-cons and globalists are more afraid of his Domionist links and their growing power than they are of Jones who they believe they can pay off for what ever reason.

Be careful who you get in bed with.

Mystery money floods Alabama in Senate race's final days

Pro-Doug Jones Super PAC Using Voter Intimidation Tactics — Ad Claims ‘Your Vote Is Public Record’
Pro-Doug Jones Super PAC Using Voter Intimidation Tactics - Ad Claims 'Your Vote Is Public Record' - Breitbart

I see this quite differently. It was Trump and the Moore campaign that warned the sky would fall if Jones were elected. I heard one of Jones' speeches and he sure didn't sound like a hair on fire progressive to me. Trump said the MAGA movement DEPENDED on Moore being elected. That's crazy talk. Repubs still have a majority for a year.

I don't know much about the grass roots Tea Party or what neo-cons are supposed to be or what a Dominionist is, but Roy Moore's values went a bit too far impinging on the rights of others. Regardless of what he likes sexually, I think our entire country needs to stay as far from bigotry as we can. Muslims can't serve in Congress? Homosexuality should be illegal? Ditch all but the Bill of Rights and take freedom from slaves, votes from women?
I don't think we can abide that in 2017 in the halls of Congress. You can have a little club that meets in the barn that believes in that stuff, but a major political party shouldn't support it.
Moore wants his religion to apply to all, and that ain't right now, was never right.

Thank you for your very informed and intelligent reply Old Lady, always a pleasure to read respectful posts.

I would agree with all of that.

That is why, If I were an Alabama voter, I would have just abstained.

What I was addressing were the Deep State machinations. I am primarily concerned with why the establishment, both the neo-conservatives, meaning the republican party establishment at the CFR, and the Democratic establishment, both wanted Jones to win. A one party system to me, stinks of tyrrany.

OTH, you are right, Moore is no option at all. I remember having a conversation with a bi-sexual girl friend of mine about this article;

Roy Moore Blames Lesbians And Socialists For Sexual Misconduct Accusations
Roy Moore says lesbian, gay and transgender people are behind the misconduct allegations against him
We went to the source of these rumors, the credibility of the yearbook inscription and the witness, and even though she agreed with me that those relationships were probably consensual, and these accusations were probably distorted, him using this inflammatory and divisive language and acting like a bigot is as despicable as what his opponents do. Divide and conquer is divide and conquer, it doesn't matter who does it. I hate bigotry. All sides are doing it. He IS a piece of shit. It really doesn't matter if those relationships were consensual. Even if your are a conservative that holds that homosexuality is either a "sin" or a "mental illness," the way he was acting on the campaign WAS hateful, and lacked all compassion and consensus building. You are correct. He WAS pandering, in a much worse way than Trump ever did.

When the system gives you no viable option, the only option you have is to boycott.



The thing I don't think you understand though, is that the Republican party is NOT united. There are establishment Republicans that tow the party line, the CFR globalist agenda very closely, and then there are nationalists that do not want to subvert the sovereignty of the Constitution to the rule of the UN and multinational corporate treaties. These two factions are even now arguing about how they are going to reform taxes to give power to globalist corporations or local mom and pop American companies. It might not pass.

The nationalists will make common cause with the Dominionists if it will help their cause.
Dominionism: A ‘dangerous’ Christian movement influencing Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry?

I'm sure you are familiar and aware of all the separate infighting in the Democrat party? Well, the intrigue in the Republican party is just as intense. And some of those Republicans would gladly sink Moore if it means keeping a Dominionist out of the Senate.

Thanks for the informative reply, Mr. Beale.
I have been saying for awhile that we need to split into more than two parties, the way some European countries do, and then they form coalitions somehow--I realize it's more complicated, but it has been obvious since the 2016 election that both major parties are fracturing. Maybe it would be easier to form a "moderate in the middle" party and let the extremists take the parties as they exist.
People don't like change, but when the party can't provide a relatively cohesive face and stance to the populace, it's time for more parties.

The two major parties collude together all the time at the CFR, and behind closed door on so many of the really important issues.

Like this whole Moore campaign. It was fixed, for whatever reason. The major donors don't give a shit about social issues, they care about really big financial issues, so they got together to make sure Moore wasn't elected.

How the DNC and the RNC colluded to kick the League of Women voters out of hosting the debates so another Ross Perot could never screw up their monopoly hold over the electorate should be instructive. The electorate is even more polarized and mesmerized than it ever has been in history. Distract them with BS about social issues, and they won't notice you robbing them of their job opportunities and pension funds.

League Refuses to "Help Perpetrate a Fraud" | League of Women Voters

Mr. Beale, whatever you want to call it, that a large group of people got together and effectively stopped Roy Moore from entering the halls of Congress is a GOOD thing. He was not a good candidate. Maybe that is why both parties wanted him to stay at home. Did that ever occur to you?

 

[miketx]

Clearly the two party system is a scam and a fraud. If only all Americans would come to realize this.

Sadly we have so many dupes like Nat, who can't see the forest for the trees. The elephant is clearly in the room for all to see, but Nat and those like him have blinders on making them thoughtless.

I simply love the new proclamations by morons of being "independents"....It happens a lot after a severe loss............LOL

The only morons are the ones on here still crying after their guy won, right moron?

 

[OldLady]

This had everything to do with brain washing and fear mongering.

"Brain washing" accusations from a Trump CULT member like you???...........LOL

Just about everyone on this forum that knows my posting knows that I didn't vote for Trump and knows my views, yet you think since I don't support yours, you have this POV;

"Anyone that doesn't think like you is automatically a Trump supporter. Either they are with you, or they are against you."

There is no nuance, no room for discernment. You see the world in black and white.

I believe this is as much your weakness as it is the weakness of those you rail against.


When I say that the results of this election were a result of "brain washing," what I mean, is that not only did Democrats pour in money to Jones campaign, but the neo-cons, the establishment conservatives, those aligned with the Romney types, the Bush types, and the war making establishment, also supported Jones, for whatever reason.

Moore, like Pence, is a Dominionist, as well as being associated with the grass roots Tea Party. The neo-cons and globalists are more afraid of his Domionist links and their growing power than they are of Jones who they believe they can pay off for what ever reason.

Be careful who you get in bed with.

Mystery money floods Alabama in Senate race's final days

Pro-Doug Jones Super PAC Using Voter Intimidation Tactics — Ad Claims ‘Your Vote Is Public Record’
Pro-Doug Jones Super PAC Using Voter Intimidation Tactics - Ad Claims 'Your Vote Is Public Record' - Breitbart

I see this quite differently. It was Trump and the Moore campaign that warned the sky would fall if Jones were elected. I heard one of Jones' speeches and he sure didn't sound like a hair on fire progressive to me. Trump said the MAGA movement DEPENDED on Moore being elected. That's crazy talk. Repubs still have a majority for a year.

I don't know much about the grass roots Tea Party or what neo-cons are supposed to be or what a Dominionist is, but Roy Moore's values went a bit too far impinging on the rights of others. Regardless of what he likes sexually, I think our entire country needs to stay as far from bigotry as we can. Muslims can't serve in Congress? Homosexuality should be illegal? Ditch all but the Bill of Rights and take freedom from slaves, votes from women?
I don't think we can abide that in 2017 in the halls of Congress. You can have a little club that meets in the barn that believes in that stuff, but a major political party shouldn't support it.
Moore wants his religion to apply to all, and that ain't right now, was never right.

The tactic of demonizing your opponent is as old as the republic. Don't get caught up in it.

Remember Bernie who KNEW Hillary was exactly what he railed against throughout his campaign, sold out and then claimed Trump would ruin the nation if elected.

It is all bull shit designed to deceive the people. Amazingly it still works on some.

The tactic of demonizing your opponent is as old as the republic. Don't get caught up in it.
LOL. Those were the guy's own statements. Demonizing, indeed.
I listen to all these politicians and make up my own mind, thanks very much. I'm not being deceived about much.

 

[gipper]

Clearly the two party system is a scam and a fraud. If only all Americans would come to realize this.

Sadly we have so many dupes like Nat, who can't see the forest for the trees. The elephant is clearly in the room for all to see, but Nat and those like him have blinders on making them thoughtless.

I simply love the new proclamations by morons of being "independents"....It happens a lot after a severe loss............LOL

I am no independent. I am an anarchist. I hate government whether it is run by criminals from the D or R gang, and I really dislike dupes like you who have learned nothing from history...about the heinous evil nature of unlimited government.

 

[gipper]

This had everything to do with brain washing and fear mongering.

"Brain washing" accusations from a Trump CULT member like you???...........LOL

Just about everyone on this forum that knows my posting knows that I didn't vote for Trump and knows my views, yet you think since I don't support yours, you have this POV;

"Anyone that doesn't think like you is automatically a Trump supporter. Either they are with you, or they are against you."

There is no nuance, no room for discernment. You see the world in black and white.

I believe this is as much your weakness as it is the weakness of those you rail against.


When I say that the results of this election were a result of "brain washing," what I mean, is that not only did Democrats pour in money to Jones campaign, but the neo-cons, the establishment conservatives, those aligned with the Romney types, the Bush types, and the war making establishment, also supported Jones, for whatever reason.

Moore, like Pence, is a Dominionist, as well as being associated with the grass roots Tea Party. The neo-cons and globalists are more afraid of his Domionist links and their growing power than they are of Jones who they believe they can pay off for what ever reason.

Be careful who you get in bed with.

Mystery money floods Alabama in Senate race's final days

Pro-Doug Jones Super PAC Using Voter Intimidation Tactics — Ad Claims ‘Your Vote Is Public Record’
Pro-Doug Jones Super PAC Using Voter Intimidation Tactics - Ad Claims 'Your Vote Is Public Record' - Breitbart

I see this quite differently. It was Trump and the Moore campaign that warned the sky would fall if Jones were elected. I heard one of Jones' speeches and he sure didn't sound like a hair on fire progressive to me. Trump said the MAGA movement DEPENDED on Moore being elected. That's crazy talk. Repubs still have a majority for a year.

I don't know much about the grass roots Tea Party or what neo-cons are supposed to be or what a Dominionist is, but Roy Moore's values went a bit too far impinging on the rights of others. Regardless of what he likes sexually, I think our entire country needs to stay as far from bigotry as we can. Muslims can't serve in Congress? Homosexuality should be illegal? Ditch all but the Bill of Rights and take freedom from slaves, votes from women?
I don't think we can abide that in 2017 in the halls of Congress. You can have a little club that meets in the barn that believes in that stuff, but a major political party shouldn't support it.
Moore wants his religion to apply to all, and that ain't right now, was never right.

The tactic of demonizing your opponent is as old as the republic. Don't get caught up in it.

Remember Bernie who KNEW Hillary was exactly what he railed against throughout his campaign, sold out and then claimed Trump would ruin the nation if elected.

It is all bull shit designed to deceive the people. Amazingly it still works on some.

The tactic of demonizing your opponent is as old as the republic. Don't get caught up in it.
LOL. Those were the guy's own statements. Demonizing, indeed.
I listen to all these politicians and make up my own mind, thanks very much. I'm not being deceived about much.

I NEVER listen to a politician. They are crooks and thieves deserving of a long prison sentence.

 

[OldLady]

"Brain washing" accusations from a Trump CULT member like you???...........LOL

Just about everyone on this forum that knows my posting knows that I didn't vote for Trump and knows my views, yet you think since I don't support yours, you have this POV;

"Anyone that doesn't think like you is automatically a Trump supporter. Either they are with you, or they are against you."

There is no nuance, no room for discernment. You see the world in black and white.

I believe this is as much your weakness as it is the weakness of those you rail against.


When I say that the results of this election were a result of "brain washing," what I mean, is that not only did Democrats pour in money to Jones campaign, but the neo-cons, the establishment conservatives, those aligned with the Romney types, the Bush types, and the war making establishment, also supported Jones, for whatever reason.

Moore, like Pence, is a Dominionist, as well as being associated with the grass roots Tea Party. The neo-cons and globalists are more afraid of his Domionist links and their growing power than they are of Jones who they believe they can pay off for what ever reason.

Be careful who you get in bed with.

Mystery money floods Alabama in Senate race's final days

Pro-Doug Jones Super PAC Using Voter Intimidation Tactics — Ad Claims ‘Your Vote Is Public Record’
Pro-Doug Jones Super PAC Using Voter Intimidation Tactics - Ad Claims 'Your Vote Is Public Record' - Breitbart

I see this quite differently. It was Trump and the Moore campaign that warned the sky would fall if Jones were elected. I heard one of Jones' speeches and he sure didn't sound like a hair on fire progressive to me. Trump said the MAGA movement DEPENDED on Moore being elected. That's crazy talk. Repubs still have a majority for a year.

I don't know much about the grass roots Tea Party or what neo-cons are supposed to be or what a Dominionist is, but Roy Moore's values went a bit too far impinging on the rights of others. Regardless of what he likes sexually, I think our entire country needs to stay as far from bigotry as we can. Muslims can't serve in Congress? Homosexuality should be illegal? Ditch all but the Bill of Rights and take freedom from slaves, votes from women?
I don't think we can abide that in 2017 in the halls of Congress. You can have a little club that meets in the barn that believes in that stuff, but a major political party shouldn't support it.
Moore wants his religion to apply to all, and that ain't right now, was never right.

The tactic of demonizing your opponent is as old as the republic. Don't get caught up in it.

Remember Bernie who KNEW Hillary was exactly what he railed against throughout his campaign, sold out and then claimed Trump would ruin the nation if elected.

It is all bull shit designed to deceive the people. Amazingly it still works on some.

The tactic of demonizing your opponent is as old as the republic. Don't get caught up in it.
LOL. Those were the guy's own statements. Demonizing, indeed.
I listen to all these politicians and make up my own mind, thanks very much. I'm not being deceived about much.

I NEVER listen to a politician. They are crooks and thieves deserving of a long prison sentence.

So then you must not vote.

 

[gipper]

Just about everyone on this forum that knows my posting knows that I didn't vote for Trump and knows my views, yet you think since I don't support yours, you have this POV;

"Anyone that doesn't think like you is automatically a Trump supporter. Either they are with you, or they are against you."

There is no nuance, no room for discernment. You see the world in black and white.

I believe this is as much your weakness as it is the weakness of those you rail against.


When I say that the results of this election were a result of "brain washing," what I mean, is that not only did Democrats pour in money to Jones campaign, but the neo-cons, the establishment conservatives, those aligned with the Romney types, the Bush types, and the war making establishment, also supported Jones, for whatever reason.

Moore, like Pence, is a Dominionist, as well as being associated with the grass roots Tea Party. The neo-cons and globalists are more afraid of his Domionist links and their growing power than they are of Jones who they believe they can pay off for what ever reason.

Be careful who you get in bed with.

Mystery money floods Alabama in Senate race's final days

Pro-Doug Jones Super PAC Using Voter Intimidation Tactics — Ad Claims ‘Your Vote Is Public Record’
Pro-Doug Jones Super PAC Using Voter Intimidation Tactics - Ad Claims 'Your Vote Is Public Record' - Breitbart

I see this quite differently. It was Trump and the Moore campaign that warned the sky would fall if Jones were elected. I heard one of Jones' speeches and he sure didn't sound like a hair on fire progressive to me. Trump said the MAGA movement DEPENDED on Moore being elected. That's crazy talk. Repubs still have a majority for a year.

I don't know much about the grass roots Tea Party or what neo-cons are supposed to be or what a Dominionist is, but Roy Moore's values went a bit too far impinging on the rights of others. Regardless of what he likes sexually, I think our entire country needs to stay as far from bigotry as we can. Muslims can't serve in Congress? Homosexuality should be illegal? Ditch all but the Bill of Rights and take freedom from slaves, votes from women?
I don't think we can abide that in 2017 in the halls of Congress. You can have a little club that meets in the barn that believes in that stuff, but a major political party shouldn't support it.
Moore wants his religion to apply to all, and that ain't right now, was never right.

The tactic of demonizing your opponent is as old as the republic. Don't get caught up in it.

Remember Bernie who KNEW Hillary was exactly what he railed against throughout his campaign, sold out and then claimed Trump would ruin the nation if elected.

It is all bull shit designed to deceive the people. Amazingly it still works on some.

The tactic of demonizing your opponent is as old as the republic. Don't get caught up in it.
LOL. Those were the guy's own statements. Demonizing, indeed.
I listen to all these politicians and make up my own mind, thanks very much. I'm not being deceived about much.

I NEVER listen to a politician. They are crooks and thieves deserving of a long prison sentence.

So then you must not vote.

Generally I do not. I did vote Trump, only as a protest against the clear criminal Hillary.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

If that is all you got from my post....you should go back to bed.......LOL

there was more than just fear?

 

[MisterBeale]

Just about everyone on this forum that knows my posting knows that I didn't vote for Trump and knows my views, yet you think since I don't support yours, you have this POV;

"Anyone that doesn't think like you is automatically a Trump supporter. Either they are with you, or they are against you."

There is no nuance, no room for discernment. You see the world in black and white.

I believe this is as much your weakness as it is the weakness of those you rail against.


When I say that the results of this election were a result of "brain washing," what I mean, is that not only did Democrats pour in money to Jones campaign, but the neo-cons, the establishment conservatives, those aligned with the Romney types, the Bush types, and the war making establishment, also supported Jones, for whatever reason.

Moore, like Pence, is a Dominionist, as well as being associated with the grass roots Tea Party. The neo-cons and globalists are more afraid of his Domionist links and their growing power than they are of Jones who they believe they can pay off for what ever reason.

Be careful who you get in bed with.

Mystery money floods Alabama in Senate race's final days

Pro-Doug Jones Super PAC Using Voter Intimidation Tactics — Ad Claims ‘Your Vote Is Public Record’
Pro-Doug Jones Super PAC Using Voter Intimidation Tactics - Ad Claims 'Your Vote Is Public Record' - Breitbart

I see this quite differently. It was Trump and the Moore campaign that warned the sky would fall if Jones were elected. I heard one of Jones' speeches and he sure didn't sound like a hair on fire progressive to me. Trump said the MAGA movement DEPENDED on Moore being elected. That's crazy talk. Repubs still have a majority for a year.

I don't know much about the grass roots Tea Party or what neo-cons are supposed to be or what a Dominionist is, but Roy Moore's values went a bit too far impinging on the rights of others. Regardless of what he likes sexually, I think our entire country needs to stay as far from bigotry as we can. Muslims can't serve in Congress? Homosexuality should be illegal? Ditch all but the Bill of Rights and take freedom from slaves, votes from women?
I don't think we can abide that in 2017 in the halls of Congress. You can have a little club that meets in the barn that believes in that stuff, but a major political party shouldn't support it.
Moore wants his religion to apply to all, and that ain't right now, was never right.

Thank you for your very informed and intelligent reply Old Lady, always a pleasure to read respectful posts.

I would agree with all of that.

That is why, If I were an Alabama voter, I would have just abstained.

What I was addressing were the Deep State machinations. I am primarily concerned with why the establishment, both the neo-conservatives, meaning the republican party establishment at the CFR, and the Democratic establishment, both wanted Jones to win. A one party system to me, stinks of tyrrany.

OTH, you are right, Moore is no option at all. I remember having a conversation with a bi-sexual girl friend of mine about this article;

Roy Moore Blames Lesbians And Socialists For Sexual Misconduct Accusations
Roy Moore says lesbian, gay and transgender people are behind the misconduct allegations against him
We went to the source of these rumors, the credibility of the yearbook inscription and the witness, and even though she agreed with me that those relationships were probably consensual, and these accusations were probably distorted, him using this inflammatory and divisive language and acting like a bigot is as despicable as what his opponents do. Divide and conquer is divide and conquer, it doesn't matter who does it. I hate bigotry. All sides are doing it. He IS a piece of shit. It really doesn't matter if those relationships were consensual. Even if your are a conservative that holds that homosexuality is either a "sin" or a "mental illness," the way he was acting on the campaign WAS hateful, and lacked all compassion and consensus building. You are correct. He WAS pandering, in a much worse way than Trump ever did.

When the system gives you no viable option, the only option you have is to boycott.



The thing I don't think you understand though, is that the Republican party is NOT united. There are establishment Republicans that tow the party line, the CFR globalist agenda very closely, and then there are nationalists that do not want to subvert the sovereignty of the Constitution to the rule of the UN and multinational corporate treaties. These two factions are even now arguing about how they are going to reform taxes to give power to globalist corporations or local mom and pop American companies. It might not pass.

The nationalists will make common cause with the Dominionists if it will help their cause.
Dominionism: A ‘dangerous’ Christian movement influencing Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry?

I'm sure you are familiar and aware of all the separate infighting in the Democrat party? Well, the intrigue in the Republican party is just as intense. And some of those Republicans would gladly sink Moore if it means keeping a Dominionist out of the Senate.

Thanks for the informative reply, Mr. Beale.
I have been saying for awhile that we need to split into more than two parties, the way some European countries do, and then they form coalitions somehow--I realize it's more complicated, but it has been obvious since the 2016 election that both major parties are fracturing. Maybe it would be easier to form a "moderate in the middle" party and let the extremists take the parties as they exist.
People don't like change, but when the party can't provide a relatively cohesive face and stance to the populace, it's time for more parties.

The two major parties collude together all the time at the CFR, and behind closed door on so many of the really important issues.

Like this whole Moore campaign. It was fixed, for whatever reason. The major donors don't give a shit about social issues, they care about really big financial issues, so they got together to make sure Moore wasn't elected.

How the DNC and the RNC colluded to kick the League of Women voters out of hosting the debates so another Ross Perot could never screw up their monopoly hold over the electorate should be instructive. The electorate is even more polarized and mesmerized than it ever has been in history. Distract them with BS about social issues, and they won't notice you robbing them of their job opportunities and pension funds.

League Refuses to "Help Perpetrate a Fraud" | League of Women Voters

Mr. Beale, whatever you want to call it, that a large group of people got together and effectively stopped Roy Moore from entering the halls of Congress is a GOOD thing. He was not a good candidate. Maybe that is why both parties wanted him to stay at home. Did that ever occur to you?

Of course he wasn't a good candidate, I've already told you that. But they didn't stop him because he was morally corrupt. They didn't stop him because he was repulsive. Folks don't give millions of dollars for altruistic reasons, not now, not ever.

Surely you aren't that naive?



I'm trying to tell you, Roy Moore is awful, he is a piece of shit, he is scum. He is a bigot, and a throw back to a different era. But, he has a spine, he has a certain set of moral principles that would not let him sell out his community, his state, or his nation. The financial, political, and cultural elites know this.

His opponent is a whore who will sell his vote for a buck. His opponent is far worse.

 

[MisterBeale]

I see this quite differently. It was Trump and the Moore campaign that warned the sky would fall if Jones were elected. I heard one of Jones' speeches and he sure didn't sound like a hair on fire progressive to me. Trump said the MAGA movement DEPENDED on Moore being elected. That's crazy talk. Repubs still have a majority for a year.

I don't know much about the grass roots Tea Party or what neo-cons are supposed to be or what a Dominionist is, but Roy Moore's values went a bit too far impinging on the rights of others. Regardless of what he likes sexually, I think our entire country needs to stay as far from bigotry as we can. Muslims can't serve in Congress? Homosexuality should be illegal? Ditch all but the Bill of Rights and take freedom from slaves, votes from women?
I don't think we can abide that in 2017 in the halls of Congress. You can have a little club that meets in the barn that believes in that stuff, but a major political party shouldn't support it.
Moore wants his religion to apply to all, and that ain't right now, was never right.

The tactic of demonizing your opponent is as old as the republic. Don't get caught up in it.

Remember Bernie who KNEW Hillary was exactly what he railed against throughout his campaign, sold out and then claimed Trump would ruin the nation if elected.

It is all bull shit designed to deceive the people. Amazingly it still works on some.

The tactic of demonizing your opponent is as old as the republic. Don't get caught up in it.
LOL. Those were the guy's own statements. Demonizing, indeed.
I listen to all these politicians and make up my own mind, thanks very much. I'm not being deceived about much.

I NEVER listen to a politician. They are crooks and thieves deserving of a long prison sentence.

So then you must not vote.

Generally I do not. I did vote Trump, only as a protest against the clear criminal Hillary.

If you did your research, you would have known that Trump was as much a criminal as Hillary. He worked with the mafia, the CIA and had close ties to the guy that taught he and Roger Stone everything they knew, Roy Cohn. THAT was one corrupt and "bad hombre."

All that shit with Hotels International? Fuck, it was as bad as Clinton's business with that Mena airport shit doing dirty business for the Bush family. NO THANKS. No wonder they all golfed together. DUH.

 

[MisterBeale]

Like these elites would ever give us a real choice?