More record temps

[westwall]

That's half the battle, now what about the externalities? Should all people be held to account for their actions? Should some people be able to generate record breaking profits while contributing to a hugely troubling and dangerous situation that is going to cost additional tax dollars to deal with those issues? If there's any leeway to grant its that not much of anyone paid any serious attention to the early climate scientists when they started talking about these issues a century and half ago. I don't think they should be grandfathered into paying a contrition for what they have done in the past, but for each ton of carbon tuel they are selling, they need to pay a carbon tax to help deal with the atmospheric carbon enhancement that ton of fuel represents. When coal becomes to expensive, energy companies will invest in more price competitive alternatives.

Personally, I'd rather see a heavy temporary shift to Natural Gas systems which while still carbon fuelled, are much cleaner and easier to scale so that we can go more with distributed local power networks along with a doubling of our nuclear power capacity to bring it up more into the 40-50% level. The rest will evolve as the market guides it over the next few decades.

Carbon tax? Nonsense. AGW is junk science. Don't wreck the economy based on garbage.

So, you are saying that some people shouldn't have to pay all of the costs associated with their actions? That we should raise taxes on all individual citizens to pay for the profit making actions of these few individuals? Either you believe in the free market system and principles of individual responsibility or you don't. If you don't believe in those principles don't espouse them as solutions, if you do believe in them then you have to accept all the premises that are a part of those systems.

Ahhh, it's so refreshing to see the socialists raise their heads above the sand. In answer to your question. No. the whole of society benefits from their actions at producing energy.
Without energy you are back to living in your cave.

 

[SW2SILVER]

Record hottest August temperatures on record in the US. Were do you live, Daveman? Just wondering. It has been hotter than hell here in the US. But how odd that it also coincides with the record population growth AND growing pollution from those same record numbers of people... Some of the folks that argue against human caused global warming seem to have more concern with profits and the well-being of the "economy" than they are with scientific standards of exactitude. If the planet dies, the economy won’t do so bloody well, will it? But, why bother with the long term?

It's the people and not the Sun, I see.

Don't make things so personal. I don't think you have much scientific curiosity, I think you are more the simplistic dogmatic type. Yeah, it’s the PEOPLE. The sun has been around through many an ICE AGE, too. So? We are the wild card in the equation, Einstein. Put 2 + 2 together.

 

[westwall]

Record hottest August temperatures on record in the US. Were do you live, Daveman? Just wondering. It has been hotter than hell here in the US. But how odd that it also coincides with the record population growth AND growing pollution from those same record numbers of people... Some of the folks that argue against human caused global warming seem to have more concern with profits and the well-being of the "economy" than they are with scientific standards of exactitude. If the planet dies, the economy won’t do so bloody well, will it? But, why bother with the long term?

It's the people and not the Sun, I see.

Don't make things so personal. I don't think you have much scientific curiosity, I think you are more the simplistic dogmatic type. Yeah, it’s the PEOPLE. The sun has been around through many an ICE AGE, too. So? We are the wild card in the equation, Einstein. Put 2 + 2 together.

Actually, it's the warmists who so lack scientific curiosity that they prevent studies from being published that disagree with the AGW paradigm. If that's your version of science then we know exactly how little you truly care about real science and just how much you believe in the religious dogma of the cult of AGW.

 

[Meister]

Record hottest August temperatures on record in the US. Were do you live, Daveman? Just wondering. It has been hotter than hell here in the US. But how odd that it also coincides with the record population growth AND growing pollution from those same record numbers of people... Some of the folks that argue against human caused global warming seem to have more concern with profits and the well-being of the "economy" than they are with scientific standards of exactitude. If the planet dies, the economy won’t do so bloody well, will it? But, why bother with the long term?

It's the people and not the Sun, I see.

Don't make things so personal. I don't think you have much scientific curiosity, I think you are more the simplistic dogmatic type. Yeah, it’s the PEOPLE. The sun has been around through many an ICE AGE, too. So? We are the wild card in the equation, Einstein. Put 2 + 2 together.

Scientific curiosity...I have quite a bit of that. We aren't any kind of "WILD CARD", "Einstein".
The Sun has played into a lot of heating and cooling throughout millions of years, and it's the self proclaimed "AGW religion" that comes to the conclusion that it's the evil people that causes the warming through manipulated data. Funny what socialists and communists can come up with, ain't it? Yes....try and add that 2+2...I laugh at you.

 

[SW2SILVER]

The sun hasn't changed in billions of years, it isn't any hotter nor is it any closer. Given ALL the possible variables, effluent produced by record numbers of humans HAS increased in record numbers. THAT is a DEFINITE factor here. That can not be denied. That is common sense and quite obvious, as well. I have seen the weather changes in the last thirty years. No bull. I am not a "denier'. Tis' is the other way around, here. My point isn’t to make you look or feel foolish, it’s that I am alarmed at the changes I have seen, they most certainly are negative and they are more than likely the result of Human overpopulation.

 

[Mr.Nick]

The sun hasn't changed in billions of years, it isn't any hotter nor is it any closer. Given ALL the possible variables, effluent produced by record numbers of humans HAS increased in record numbers. THAT is a DEFINITE factor here. That can not be denied. That is common sense and quite obvious, as well. I have seen the weather changes in the last thirty years. No bull. I am not a "denier'. Tis' is the other way around, here. My point isn’t to make you look or feel foolish, it’s that I am alarmed at the changes I have seen, they most certainly are negative and they are more than likely the result of Human overpopulation.

Of course the sun has changed and does change.

Solar storm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The sun is anything but stable.

 

[Meister]

The sun hasn't changed in billions of years, it isn't any hotter nor is it any closer. Given ALL the possible variables, effluent produced by record numbers of humans HAS increased in record numbers. THAT is a DEFINITE factor here. That can not be denied. That is common sense and quite obvious, as well. I have seen the weather changes in the last thirty years. No bull. I am not a "denier'. Tis' is the other way around, here. My point isn’t to make you look or feel foolish, it’s that I am alarmed at the changes I have seen, they most certainly are negative and they are more than likely the result of Human overpopulation.

Your point is MAKING YOU look foolish. Our world is constantly changing in regards to temperature variation. We didn't get the ice ages and melts with no temperature variations. And your vision over the last 30 years compared to the last 4-5 billion years cannot be taken seriously...that IS "common sense".

 

[SW2SILVER]

How do I respond to that? Of course things change, that is what I am saying here. The sun cools, it heats but it’s average temperature hasn’t been the issue here, it’s been the Earth’s. Tell me, Meister, how old are you? Can you tell me, for instance, in the last thirty years, it’s getting cooler and wetter? Yes? That would be nice, someone can contradict the facts. And good for you. Unless you find some fluke somewhere, nobody else is getting those results here in the United States. Global Warming…No solar menstrual periods, either. You never answered my assertion: WHAT about human pollution due to Human over population? Is that just a big coinki-dink?

 

[SW2SILVER]

Anyone here actually feel that, in their lifetime, that the average temperatures have remained the same or gotten COOLER? Were do you live? How old are you, if you don't mind saying? Lets have a little informal poll.

 

[Meister]

How do I respond to that? Of course things change, that is what I am saying here. The sun cools, it heats but it’s average temperature hasn’t been the issue here, it’s been the Earth’s. Tell me, Meister, how old are you? Can you tell me, for instance, in the last thirty years, it’s getting cooler and wetter? Yes? That would be nice, someone can contradict the facts. And good for you. Unless you find some fluke somewhere, nobody else is getting those results here in the United States. Global Warming…No solar menstrual periods, either. You never answered my assertion: WHAT about human pollution due to Human over population? Is that just a big coinki-dink?

Dude, the Earth heats and it cools. Human caused pollution plays a minuscule part of the heating of the Earth. Natural causes effect the Earth's temperature more than anything we can do.
As for my age, I have a feeling that I'm older than you are.

 

[ScienceRocks]

The sun has grown brighter and "warmer" over the past billion years and should keep doing so. The sun also has decreases and increases within its means output in tsi. Not only this, but the obrit has a lot to do with how much energy this planet gets too. So yes there are cycles within climate.

Has our climate warmed since the little ice age, you bet. But you can also name many warm periods that around where we're today.

 

[SW2SILVER]

Maybe, "DUDE". You never answered my query, either. You equivocate like a liberal. But, never mind. I am 53. Denver, Colorado, and, RECORD high temps for August here. Low Precipitation. YOU?

 

[westwall]

The sun hasn't changed in billions of years, it isn't any hotter nor is it any closer. Given ALL the possible variables, effluent produced by record numbers of humans HAS increased in record numbers. THAT is a DEFINITE factor here. That can not be denied. That is common sense and quite obvious, as well. I have seen the weather changes in the last thirty years. No bull. I am not a "denier'. Tis' is the other way around, here. My point isn’t to make you look or feel foolish, it’s that I am alarmed at the changes I have seen, they most certainly are negative and they are more than likely the result of Human overpopulation.

I guess you aren't realy all that scientifically literate are you? I suggest you Google sun phases, and storms, UV output, IR output, etc. You will be amazed out how little you know about the Sun. The Sun is ALLWAYS changing. It is never stagnant. But if you weren't so dogmatically blind you would know that

 

[Meister]

Maybe, "DUDE". You never answered my query, either. You equivocate like a liberal. But, never mind. I am 53. Denver, Colorado, and, RECORD high temps for August here. YOU?

Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, and haven't had a record breaking day here for highs this year....but we did have a couple of records broken for the latest day in the year to reach 70 and 80.
Thanks for the liberal insult. By the way...I am older than you by a few years.

 

[westwall]

How do I respond to that? Of course things change, that is what I am saying here. The sun cools, it heats but it’s average temperature hasn’t been the issue here, it’s been the Earth’s. Tell me, Meister, how old are you? Can you tell me, for instance, in the last thirty years, it’s getting cooler and wetter? Yes? That would be nice, someone can contradict the facts. And good for you. Unless you find some fluke somewhere, nobody else is getting those results here in the United States. Global Warming…No solar menstrual periods, either. You never answered my assertion: WHAT about human pollution due to Human over population? Is that just a big coinki-dink?

Ask yourself the same question pal! The Earth has had major temperature swings over the last 3000 years, all well documented in both the paleo- climate and historical record. In both the Roman and Medieval Warming Periods the temperature of the planet was warmer then the present day and the increase was global, once again supported by over 100 peer reviewed studies.

YOURS is the only group that demands that we ignore everything that has happened before and concentrate solely on the last 30 years as if those years are meaningful.
Get a clue, your religion is collapsing around your ears. Even George Norri (sp?) on Coast to Coast AM and once a ardent supporter of global weirding had Dr. Tim Ball on last night.

 

[SW2SILVER]

Westwall: YOU are not three thousand years old. Is the world getting warmer according to YOU? From you own experience? Yes or no? Is that too hard to answer? Were are you from & how old are you, can I ask? Is that a bother?

 

[SW2SILVER]

Maybe, "DUDE". You never answered my query, either. You equivocate like a liberal. But, never mind. I am 53. Denver, Colorado, and, RECORD high temps for August here. YOU?

Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, and haven't had a record breaking day here for highs this year....but we did have a couple of records broken for the latest day in the year to reach 70 and 80.
Thanks for the liberal insult. By the way...I am older than you by a few years.

I am moving to Idaho, no illegal aliens AND perfect weather, too. WOW , How do ya manage to avoid the same afflictions that plague the rest of rest of America? Smugness? Good for you! You will never understand what an ironic post this is from me...

 

[westwall]

Maybe, "DUDE". You never answered my query, either. You equivocate like a liberal. But, never mind. I am 53. Denver, Colorado, and, RECORD high temps for August here. Low Precipitation. YOU?

Unseasonably cool. In fact we've had but a single day at 100 degrees. FAR below normal.
Precip is low for August but we still have snow in the mountains and in fact I went snowshoeing on July 4th. The latest I've ever been able to do that. It is however not the latest that it has been done. This last winter we got 180% of our normal snow fall. Some areas almost reached 200% of average. The last weekend of spring we had 7 feet of snow drop in 2 days.

The point? None. It's called weather. It changes. It has allways changed. Only scientific illiterates believe that the climate of the Earth is static. Amazingly enough they also don't know how to crack a history book. NOTHING THAT IS REGARDED AS AMAZING TRULY IS> EVERYTHING THAT THE AGW CULTISTS CLAIM AS EVIDENCE OF GLOBAL WARMING HAS HAPPENED MANY TIMES BEFORE. It is illustrative of their myopic POV that they can't understand that the planet operates on a time scale far slower then mans life. It takes hundreds of years for things to complete their course.

 

[westwall]

Westwall: YOU are not three thousand years old. Is the world getting warmer according to YOU? From you own experience? Yes or no? Is that too hard to answer? Were are you from & how old are you, can I ask? Is that a bother?

I am a PhD geologist so probably am more conversant in science (especially Earth Science) then you. If not please accept my apologies. I have studied the Earth and how it operates for 47 years or so now (I just turned 65 so am likewise older then you) and can state with no concern that everything that is happening now has happened before without mans interference or initiation. Many, many, many times before.

 

[westwall]

Maybe, "DUDE". You never answered my query, either. You equivocate like a liberal. But, never mind. I am 53. Denver, Colorado, and, RECORD high temps for August here. YOU?

Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, and haven't had a record breaking day here for highs this year....but we did have a couple of records broken for the latest day in the year to reach 70 and 80.
Thanks for the liberal insult. By the way...I am older than you by a few years.

I am moving to Idaho, no illegal aliens AND perfect weather, too. WOW , How do ya manage to avoid the same afflictions that plague the rest of rest of America? Smugness? Good for you! You will never understand what an ironic post this is from me...

I don't recall Meister ever mentioning illegal aliens in this thread (or any other for that matter, I believe Meister chose Idaho for the exceptional fishing to be found there, of course if you weren't an arrogant ass you could have asked him, or just as easily looked at his personal page and seen the big honkin fish he had just caught, but no, you had to revert to form and toss off an insult. Typical....oh so typical of you folks.