Mormon Church finally admits Joseph Smith had 40 wives

[Carla_Danger]

Like I said, I worked in a Mormon firm. One of the first things they told me was I wasn't allowed to take any of the secretaries out to lunch, because people might assume the wrong thing.

I got along very well with the secretaries at that firm, and most of them were not Mormon themselves. Mormon women usually don't have jobs. They get married at a very early age and start having children.

One day, one of the secretaries told me I was the only attorney in the firm who treated the secretaries like human beings.

I thought, what is it about these Mormons that make them unpleasant to work for?

But they were unpleasant to me as well. None of them would let me inside their world. This was the only firm I ever worked at where I was never invited to lunch (except once on my birthday), and no one would allow me to be their friend.

The Mormons had their own world, and non-Mormons are excluded.

This was my experience, also. It was also made clear to me, in a subtle way, that my career path above middle management would simply not happen, since I was not a Mormon. I am absolutely convinced that Harry Reid became a Mormon out of necessity.

I don't doubt that for a minute.

 

[Avatar4321]

Here is another chance for the Mormon Church to go legit. Joseph Smith was , at best, a crazy prophet a la John the Baptist (locusts and wild honey). Like all messengers, he got many of the details wrong. Recognize him for what he was (and wasn't), and bring the Church back to Christianity. You have a lot to offer.

Not a chance. The entire foundation of the church is based on an obvious fairy tale.

the whole church is based on the fact that Christ lives. Christ has been center day one. He is the chief cornerstone.

all anyone has to do is read the Book of Mormon and it becomes very obvious

 

[Carla_Danger]

I do not see my opposition to Mormonism as a Christian pissing contest. The Mormon Church is not a Christian church. They are a non-Christian polytheistic religion that has not even the slightest adherence to standard Christian beliefs.

They consider themselves Christian, although I don't know when that came about. And they sure did run a lot of ads, trying to appear "normal"....just like any other Christian, right before Mitt Romney decided to run for President.

My pissing contest was directed at Ninja, who thinks there is only one Gawd, and everyone else is wrong.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Here is another chance for the Mormon Church to go legit. Joseph Smith was , at best, a crazy prophet a la John the Baptist (locusts and wild honey). Like all messengers, he got many of the details wrong. Recognize him for what he was (and wasn't), and bring the Church back to Christianity. You have a lot to offer.

Not a chance. The entire foundation of the church is based on an obvious fairy tale.

the whole church is based on the fact that Christ lives. Christ has been center day one. He is the chief cornerstone.

all anyone has to do is read the Book of Mormon and it becomes very obvious

The book of Mormon, that con artist Joe Smith wrote?

 

[Avatar4321]

The guy that they put in the slammer about 3 years ago who was heading up the fundamentalist Mormon branch down in Southern Utah was doing exactly what Smith was doing in the 1800's. The difference is that in the 1800's, people didn't treat them with kid gloves. Instead of putting Smith in the slammer, they killed him.

warren jeffs wasn't doing anything like Joseph was. As much as he would like to claim he was. Look beneath the surface and you see huge differences

 

[Carla_Danger]

I cannot read your mind, so I do not know if you really believe this.

You even called him a prophet, do you know what a prophet is?

I know what a prophet is. I do not believe the leaders of your church are really prophets.

And I and the rest of the faithful Mormons DO believe it. So your claiming otherwise has no meaning to us.

But that's my point, not ALL Mormons believe the prophets are really prophets.

The prophets themselves KNOW that the prophets of the Mormon Church are not really prophets. The question is, how far down the chain of command does this knowledge go?

Do the bishops know?

Do the ward leaders know?

Do the prophets' office staff know?

Do the prophets' cleaning staff know?

Who is the highest member of the Mormon church who believes the prophets are really prophets?

Do you see now why the Mormon church has to operate with so much secrecy?

The biggest secret of all is that the Mormon Church is not guided by real prophets.

It was a very big mistake to set things up this way. All it takes is one prophet to admit the truth, and the entire Mormon church will collapse like a house of cards.

I agree with this completely. I lived in Las Vegas, which is politically controlled by Mormons, and I worked closely with many of them. I was struck by how reluctant they are to discuss any of the controversial beliefs that are outlined in the book of Mormon. In fact, I was struck by how reluctant they were to even MENTION the Book of Mormon. It was treated sort of like the elephant in the living room that nobody noticed.

I just watched an interesting documentary on PBS about how Mormon banks financed mafia owned casinos. I guess that's where they got a lot of their money to build those nice castles.

 

[Avatar4321]

The Mormons have a good rep because they dress nice, obey the law, and their kids are well-behaved and clean cut.

But I would like to know what Mormons do to ENFORCE this strict adherence to this "Leave it to Beaver" image.

There must be a dark side to it.

we teach people correct principles and then let them choose to follow them

 

[Carla_Danger]

The guy that they put in the slammer about 3 years ago who was heading up the fundamentalist Mormon branch down in Southern Utah was doing exactly what Smith was doing in the 1800's. The difference is that in the 1800's, people didn't treat them with kid gloves. Instead of putting Smith in the slammer, they killed him.

warren jeffs wasn't doing anything like Joseph was. As much as he would like to claim he was. Look beneath the surface and you see huge differences

What are the differences?

 

[Avatar4321]

In fact all most all his other wives never had sex with him.

Nope. Not true, according to the essays released today.

Also, one of them was 14 years old, which would put him in the category of a child abuser, at best. Also, many were married to other men, as well, which makes him a bigamist.

But, the real fault was not so much with Smith. It was his followers that made him a god.

You understand that in the 1800's that men and women were married as young as 14 all the time right?

Are you saying that just because in the 1800's adult men married young female children that makes it right?

In the early 1800's women were 14 and got married regularly. They were not considered children.

I think you are missing the point: 1800 AD was not 1800 BC. Joseph Smith was assembling a concubine under the guise of spiritual guidance. If "plural marriage" was a commandment then, how can it be a sin now? If modern day elders can do away with the proscription against black "priests" and other absurdities, why can't they convene a "Council of Nicaea" and reorganize/edit the Book of Mormon as a credible addition to the Bible?

if Abraham offering his son Isaac was good then, why is it a sin if we offer our children up to be sacrificed?

if following the law of Moses was good before Christ why is it bad now?

why is it good for our children to have a cookie sometimes and they would get in trouble for taking one without permission.

God commands and revokes commands at His pleasure and according to His wisdom. If He says build an ark, we will build an ark. If He says dont build one we wont. If He says marry many and raise a posterity to Him, it's good. If He says cease and we continue that's bad.

the question is do we follow God as He speaks of do we try to silence Him

 

[ninja007]

there are not any more prophets after the new testament.

The Restoration of the true church restores the prophets as stated in the new testament. wanna try again?

SAYS WHO?

 

[ninja007]

there are not any more prophets after the new testament.

The Restoration of the true church restores the prophets as stated in the new testament. wanna try again?

The true church is all born again believers who are born again.

 

[ninja007]

Why the Mormon Church is not the TRUE church Jesus Christ started

 

[Carla_Danger]

Nope. Not true, according to the essays released today.

Also, one of them was 14 years old, which would put him in the category of a child abuser, at best. Also, many were married to other men, as well, which makes him a bigamist.

But, the real fault was not so much with Smith. It was his followers that made him a god.

You understand that in the 1800's that men and women were married as young as 14 all the time right?

Are you saying that just because in the 1800's adult men married young female children that makes it right?

In the early 1800's women were 14 and got married regularly. They were not considered children.

I think you are missing the point: 1800 AD was not 1800 BC. Joseph Smith was assembling a concubine under the guise of spiritual guidance. If "plural marriage" was a commandment then, how can it be a sin now? If modern day elders can do away with the proscription against black "priests" and other absurdities, why can't they convene a "Council of Nicaea" and reorganize/edit the Book of Mormon as a credible addition to the Bible?

if Abraham offering his son Isaac was good then, why is it a sin if we offer our children up to be sacrificed?

if following the law of Moses was good before Christ why is it bad now?

why is it good for our children to have a cookie sometimes and they would get in trouble for taking one without permission.

God commands and revokes commands at His pleasure and according to His wisdom. If He says build an ark, we will build an ark. If He says dont build one we wont. If He says marry many and raise a posterity to Him, it's good. If He says cease and we continue that's bad.

the question is do we follow God as He speaks of do we try to silence Him

So, if God told you to sacrifice your children tomorrow, you would do it?

 

[Vandalshandle]

You understand that in the 1800's that men and women were married as young as 14 all the time right?

Are you saying that just because in the 1800's adult men married young female children that makes it right?

In the early 1800's women were 14 and got married regularly. They were not considered children.

I think you are missing the point: 1800 AD was not 1800 BC. Joseph Smith was assembling a concubine under the guise of spiritual guidance. If "plural marriage" was a commandment then, how can it be a sin now? If modern day elders can do away with the proscription against black "priests" and other absurdities, why can't they convene a "Council of Nicaea" and reorganize/edit the Book of Mormon as a credible addition to the Bible?

if Abraham offering his son Isaac was good then, why is it a sin if we offer our children up to be sacrificed?

if following the law of Moses was good before Christ why is it bad now?

why is it good for our children to have a cookie sometimes and they would get in trouble for taking one without permission.

God commands and revokes commands at His pleasure and according to His wisdom. If He says build an ark, we will build an ark. If He says dont build one we wont. If He says marry many and raise a posterity to Him, it's good. If He says cease and we continue that's bad.

the question is do we follow God as He speaks of do we try to silence Him

So, if God told you to sacrifice your children tomorrow, you would do it?

God was a, "mean motor scooter and a "bad go getter" in old testament days. Fortunately, he has mellowed out a lot since then....

 

[Carla_Danger]

Are you saying that just because in the 1800's adult men married young female children that makes it right?

In the early 1800's women were 14 and got married regularly. They were not considered children.

I think you are missing the point: 1800 AD was not 1800 BC. Joseph Smith was assembling a concubine under the guise of spiritual guidance. If "plural marriage" was a commandment then, how can it be a sin now? If modern day elders can do away with the proscription against black "priests" and other absurdities, why can't they convene a "Council of Nicaea" and reorganize/edit the Book of Mormon as a credible addition to the Bible?

if Abraham offering his son Isaac was good then, why is it a sin if we offer our children up to be sacrificed?

if following the law of Moses was good before Christ why is it bad now?

why is it good for our children to have a cookie sometimes and they would get in trouble for taking one without permission.

God commands and revokes commands at His pleasure and according to His wisdom. If He says build an ark, we will build an ark. If He says dont build one we wont. If He says marry many and raise a posterity to Him, it's good. If He says cease and we continue that's bad.

the question is do we follow God as He speaks of do we try to silence Him

So, if God told you to sacrifice your children tomorrow, you would do it?

God was a, "mean motor scooter and a "bad go getter" in old testament days. Fortunately, he has mellowed out a lot since then....

But Avatar says..."God commands and revokes commands at His pleasure and according to His wisdom" and "the question is do we follow God as He speaks of do we try to silence Him."

 

[Rikurzhen]

You even called him a prophet, do you know what a prophet is?

I know what a prophet is. I do not believe the leaders of your church are really prophets.

And I and the rest of the faithful Mormons DO believe it. So your claiming otherwise has no meaning to us.

But that's my point, not ALL Mormons believe the prophets are really prophets.

The prophets themselves KNOW that the prophets of the Mormon Church are not really prophets. The question is, how far down the chain of command does this knowledge go?

Do the bishops know?

Do the ward leaders know?

Do the prophets' office staff know?

Do the prophets' cleaning staff know?

Who is the highest member of the Mormon church who believes the prophets are really prophets?

Do you see now why the Mormon church has to operate with so much secrecy?

The biggest secret of all is that the Mormon Church is not guided by real prophets.

It was a very big mistake to set things up this way. All it takes is one prophet to admit the truth, and the entire Mormon church will collapse like a house of cards.

I agree with this completely. I lived in Las Vegas, which is politically controlled by Mormons, and I worked closely with many of them. I was struck by how reluctant they are to discuss any of the controversial beliefs that are outlined in the book of Mormon. In fact, I was struck by how reluctant they were to even MENTION the Book of Mormon. It was treated sort of like the elephant in the living room that nobody noticed.

I just watched an interesting documentary on PBS about how Mormon banks financed mafia owned casinos. I guess that's where they got a lot of their money to build those nice castles.

I just watched a documentary where Obama and his liberal minions lied to the nation and shoved through the travesty we know as Obamacare and harmed millions of people. Liberals seem proud of this awful deed that was committed through underhanded tactics. You of all people are in no position to judge - being a totalitarian is worse than being a mafioso.

 

[Vandalshandle]

In the early 1800's women were 14 and got married regularly. They were not considered children.

I think you are missing the point: 1800 AD was not 1800 BC. Joseph Smith was assembling a concubine under the guise of spiritual guidance. If "plural marriage" was a commandment then, how can it be a sin now? If modern day elders can do away with the proscription against black "priests" and other absurdities, why can't they convene a "Council of Nicaea" and reorganize/edit the Book of Mormon as a credible addition to the Bible?

if Abraham offering his son Isaac was good then, why is it a sin if we offer our children up to be sacrificed?

if following the law of Moses was good before Christ why is it bad now?

why is it good for our children to have a cookie sometimes and they would get in trouble for taking one without permission.

God commands and revokes commands at His pleasure and according to His wisdom. If He says build an ark, we will build an ark. If He says dont build one we wont. If He says marry many and raise a posterity to Him, it's good. If He says cease and we continue that's bad.

the question is do we follow God as He speaks of do we try to silence Him

So, if God told you to sacrifice your children tomorrow, you would do it?

God was a, "mean motor scooter and a "bad go getter" in old testament days. Fortunately, he has mellowed out a lot since then....

But Avatar says..."God commands and revokes commands at His pleasure and according to His wisdom" and "the question is do we follow God as He speaks of do we try to silence Him."

God just told me that Avatar is off track, and that, actually, He is not pissed at anyone and thinks that we should all lighten up, and party....

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I think you are missing the point: 1800 AD was not 1800 BC. Joseph Smith was assembling a concubine under the guise of spiritual guidance. If "plural marriage" was a commandment then, how can it be a sin now? If modern day elders can do away with the proscription against black "priests" and other absurdities, why can't they convene a "Council of Nicaea" and reorganize/edit the Book of Mormon as a credible addition to the Bible?

if Abraham offering his son Isaac was good then, why is it a sin if we offer our children up to be sacrificed?

if following the law of Moses was good before Christ why is it bad now?

why is it good for our children to have a cookie sometimes and they would get in trouble for taking one without permission.

God commands and revokes commands at His pleasure and according to His wisdom. If He says build an ark, we will build an ark. If He says dont build one we wont. If He says marry many and raise a posterity to Him, it's good. If He says cease and we continue that's bad.

the question is do we follow God as He speaks of do we try to silence Him

So, if God told you to sacrifice your children tomorrow, you would do it?

God was a, "mean motor scooter and a "bad go getter" in old testament days. Fortunately, he has mellowed out a lot since then....

But Avatar says..."God commands and revokes commands at His pleasure and according to His wisdom" and "the question is do we follow God as He speaks of do we try to silence Him."

God just told me that Avatar is off track, and that, actually, He is not pissed at anyone and thinks that we should all lighten up, and party....

You are not a Prophet so God did not talk to you at all. That would make you a liar or insane.... which is it?

 

[Vandalshandle]

if Abraham offering his son Isaac was good then, why is it a sin if we offer our children up to be sacrificed?

if following the law of Moses was good before Christ why is it bad now?

why is it good for our children to have a cookie sometimes and they would get in trouble for taking one without permission.

God commands and revokes commands at His pleasure and according to His wisdom. If He says build an ark, we will build an ark. If He says dont build one we wont. If He says marry many and raise a posterity to Him, it's good. If He says cease and we continue that's bad.

the question is do we follow God as He speaks of do we try to silence Him

So, if God told you to sacrifice your children tomorrow, you would do it?

God was a, "mean motor scooter and a "bad go getter" in old testament days. Fortunately, he has mellowed out a lot since then....

But Avatar says..."God commands and revokes commands at His pleasure and according to His wisdom" and "the question is do we follow God as He speaks of do we try to silence Him."

God just told me that Avatar is off track, and that, actually, He is not pissed at anyone and thinks that we should all lighten up, and party....

You are not a Prophet so God did not talk to you at all. That would make you a liar or insane.... which is it?

How do you know that I am not a profhet?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

So, if God told you to sacrifice your children tomorrow, you would do it?

God was a, "mean motor scooter and a "bad go getter" in old testament days. Fortunately, he has mellowed out a lot since then....

But Avatar says..."God commands and revokes commands at His pleasure and according to His wisdom" and "the question is do we follow God as He speaks of do we try to silence Him."

God just told me that Avatar is off track, and that, actually, He is not pissed at anyone and thinks that we should all lighten up, and party....

You are not a Prophet so God did not talk to you at all. That would make you a liar or insane.... which is it?

How do you know that I am not a profhet?

Because you do not believe in God as you admitted.