Mother of 4 deported

[TemplarKormac]

She walked into ICE twice a year for the past 18 years to check in. Do you understand that?

I understand that's what she claims to have done. I also understand a sympathetic press reports her claim without scrutiny because it makes for a better story.

I'm highly skeptical that 36 visits to immigration resulted in her being told every time that she's free to stay in this country illegally.

If she can prove that, perhaps it's the ICE agents who should be deported.

So is it your theory that she lied about checking in with ICE over the past 18 years but then just decided that she would roll the dice and do so for CNN and risk being deported?

Serious question...

Where did ICE get the power to determine if she can stay here for 18 years? Why wasn't she deported earlier?

 

[Slade3200]

She walked into ICE twice a year for the past 18 years to check in. Do you understand that?

I understand that's what she claims to have done. I also understand a sympathetic press reports her claim without scrutiny because it makes for a better story.

I'm highly skeptical that 36 visits to immigration resulted in her being told every time that she's free to stay in this country illegally.

If she can prove that, perhaps it's the ICE agents who should be deported.

So is it your theory that she lied about checking in with ICE over the past 18 years but then just decided that she would roll the dice and do so for CNN and risk being deported?

Serious question...

Where did ICE get the power to determine if she can stay here for 18 years? Why wasn't she deported earlier?

Good question, I don't know.

 

[TemplarKormac]

She walked into ICE twice a year for the past 18 years to check in. Do you understand that?

I understand that's what she claims to have done. I also understand a sympathetic press reports her claim without scrutiny because it makes for a better story.

I'm highly skeptical that 36 visits to immigration resulted in her being told every time that she's free to stay in this country illegally.

If she can prove that, perhaps it's the ICE agents who should be deported.

So is it your theory that she lied about checking in with ICE over the past 18 years but then just decided that she would roll the dice and do so for CNN and risk being deported?

Serious question...

Where did ICE get the power to determine if she can stay here for 18 years? Why wasn't she deported earlier?

Good question, I don't know.

Then it seems to me that they had no such power. How do you check in with ICE 36 times without being deported? How did she manage to give them the slip for so long?

 

[Slade3200]

She walked into ICE twice a year for the past 18 years to check in. Do you understand that?

I understand that's what she claims to have done. I also understand a sympathetic press reports her claim without scrutiny because it makes for a better story.

I'm highly skeptical that 36 visits to immigration resulted in her being told every time that she's free to stay in this country illegally.

If she can prove that, perhaps it's the ICE agents who should be deported.

So is it your theory that she lied about checking in with ICE over the past 18 years but then just decided that she would roll the dice and do so for CNN and risk being deported?

Serious question...

Where did ICE get the power to determine if she can stay here for 18 years? Why wasn't she deported earlier?

Good question, I don't know.

Then it seems to me that they had no such power. How do you check in with ICE 36 times without being deported? How did she manage to give them the slip for so long?

Did you watch the news story?? They literally covered her trip from her house to ICE to check in, like she had done twice a year for the past 12 years. She came out of the meeting saying they gave her another year and then they called her back in and gave her the boot. It's pretty fucked up

 

[TemplarKormac]

Did you watch the news story?? They literally covered her trip from her house to ICE to check in, like she had done twice a year for the past 12 years. She came out of the meeting saying they gave her another year and then they called her back in and gave her the boot. It's pretty fucked up

I watched the story, Slade. Doesn't change my opinion.

 

[TemplarKormac]

As far as it being "pretty fucked up", it's actually pretty fucked up when we let people get away with breaking federal law for 18 years. That's not good.

 

[fncceo]

They literally covered her trip from her house to ICE to check in

If they weren't in the interview and didn't witness the interaction, it's hearsay and inadmissible.

 

[Slade3200]

Did you watch the news story?? They literally covered her trip from her house to ICE to check in, like she had done twice a year for the past 12 years. She came out of the meeting saying they gave her another year and then they called her back in and gave her the boot. It's pretty fucked up

I watched the story, Slade. Doesn't change my opinion.

Fine for you to have your opinion, but why are you asking how she gave them the slip when the story says she checked in with them for 12 years?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Did you watch the news story?? They literally covered her trip from her house to ICE to check in, like she had done twice a year for the past 12 years. She came out of the meeting saying they gave her another year and then they called her back in and gave her the boot. It's pretty fucked up

I watched the story, Slade. Doesn't change my opinion.

Fine for you to have your opinion, but why are you asking how she gave them the slip when the story says she checked in with them for 12 years?

Easy, she's been here illegally and yet ICE still let her stay. Either she, or some other entity, has been playing the system to let her stay here all this time. I find it hard to believe ICE had the authority to grant that kind of reprieve to someone here illegally.

 

[Andylusion]

20 years too late

I'll send you a tough guy award

Look, it's real simple.

If you looked at any other aspect of our laws, you wouldn't even question this.

If she murdered someone 20 years ago, we wouldn't be saying "but she's a mother of four!".

If she dumped toxic waste into a nearby water supply, we wouldn't be saying "but but four!"

If it was a guy, and he raped a couple of women 20 years ago, "but but but FOUR KIDS!"

In any other situation, we wouldn't be giving her a free pass simply because she's got kids.

Any animal can pop out kids.

We are humans. We have laws. There are consequences to breaking those laws. If you come here illegally, there are consequences.

The fact she had kids, simply means it was even more irresponsible for her to break our laws.

It's not a "tough guy" routine. It's the law. Do you want to live in anarchy where we have no laws? There are plenty of places you can go to. We have laws. You will obey those laws, or you will have consequences. Don't break the law. It's that simple. Years ago I got speeding tickets..... because I was speeding. It never occurred to me that "you all are just doing a tough guy act!"

 

[Slade3200]

20 years too late

I'll send you a tough guy award

Look, it's real simple.

If you looked at any other aspect of our laws, you wouldn't even question this.

If she murdered someone 20 years ago, we wouldn't be saying "but she's a mother of four!".

If she dumped toxic waste into a nearby water supply, we wouldn't be saying "but but four!"

If it was a guy, and he raped a couple of women 20 years ago, "but but but FOUR KIDS!"

In any other situation, we wouldn't be giving her a free pass simply because she's got kids.

Any animal can pop out kids.

We are humans. We have laws. There are consequences to breaking those laws. If you come here illegally, there are consequences.

The fact she had kids, simply means it was even more irresponsible for her to break our laws.

It's not a "tough guy" routine. It's the law. Do you want to live in anarchy where we have no laws? There are plenty of places you can go to. We have laws. You will obey those laws, or you will have consequences. Don't break the law. It's that simple. Years ago I got speeding tickets..... because I was speeding. It never occurred to me that "you all are just doing a tough guy act!"

Funny how you try and equate pursuing a more opportunistic life, with raping and murdering. Is that really how it is in your wrapped mind thinks?

I committed the same crime in high school when I got a fake ID to buy some booze. I sure hope I don't get the electric chair if one day the authorities find that ID I once had.

 

[TemplarKormac]

20 years too late

I'll send you a tough guy award

Look, it's real simple.

If you looked at any other aspect of our laws, you wouldn't even question this.

If she murdered someone 20 years ago, we wouldn't be saying "but she's a mother of four!".

If she dumped toxic waste into a nearby water supply, we wouldn't be saying "but but four!"

If it was a guy, and he raped a couple of women 20 years ago, "but but but FOUR KIDS!"

In any other situation, we wouldn't be giving her a free pass simply because she's got kids.

Any animal can pop out kids.

We are humans. We have laws. There are consequences to breaking those laws. If you come here illegally, there are consequences.

The fact she had kids, simply means it was even more irresponsible for her to break our laws.

It's not a "tough guy" routine. It's the law. Do you want to live in anarchy where we have no laws? There are plenty of places you can go to. We have laws. You will obey those laws, or you will have consequences. Don't break the law. It's that simple. Years ago I got speeding tickets..... because I was speeding. It never occurred to me that "you all are just doing a tough guy act!"

 

[toomuchtime_]

More bullshit. All you are proposing is another amnesty which we all know from experience leads to more illegal immigrants which leads to new calls for new amnesties.

President Trump was elected because he promised to do exactly what he is doing and already his actions have significantly reduced the number of illegals trying to cross our borders. By the time the next election comes around he will be able show significant progress in solving the illegal immigration problem and it will become an even stronger issue for him.

Great we will see about that. If he loses the next election then i'll expect you to admit that you were wrong

Sure enough, but until the next election we will continue to make illegals unwelcome in this country as a part of the strategy to discourage new illegal immigrants.

You can continue to try and scare them and make them feel unwelcome and the harder you push the harder your opposition will push back. If you really can't see that you uncompromising extremists are the cause of the problem then you need to open your eyes. That goes for both sides

You continue to talk nonsense. The problem is illegal immigration and President Trump's policies will reduce it. That's the whole story.

Thats your half of the story but you are missing the big picture.

That is the whole picture. President Trump was elected in part because he promised to get rid of the illegals and he will be elected the next time because he did what he promised to do.

 

[bripat9643]

More bullshit. All you are proposing is another amnesty which we all know from experience leads to more illegal immigrants which leads to new calls for new amnesties.

President Trump was elected because he promised to do exactly what he is doing and already his actions have significantly reduced the number of illegals trying to cross our borders. By the time the next election comes around he will be able show significant progress in solving the illegal immigration problem and it will become an even stronger issue for him.

Great we will see about that. If he loses the next election then i'll expect you to admit that you were wrong

Sure enough, but until the next election we will continue to make illegals unwelcome in this country as a part of the strategy to discourage new illegal immigrants.

You can continue to try and scare them and make them feel unwelcome and the harder you push the harder your opposition will push back. If you really can't see that you uncompromising extremists are the cause of the problem then you need to open your eyes. That goes for both sides

You continue to talk nonsense. The problem is illegal immigration and President Trump's policies will reduce it. That's the whole story.

Thats your half of the story but you are missing the big picture.

What's the "big picture?"

 

[toomuchtime_]

What good does that do? How about 5 years of military service or community service cleaning up our cities and building infrastructure or working in youth programs?? Yall really do have rocks for brains don't you?

The good it does is the fact that it's a real penalty that would discourage further illegal immigration. Allowing them to join the service and even get paid by the taxpayers while they violate our laws is not a penalty. It's a reward.

Allowing them to stay under any circumstances is antithetical to the principles on which our immigration policy is based. In 1965, the most liberal president in American history signed into law immigration reform legislation that is based on the principle that immigration into the US should be based on what America and Americans need from the rest of the world and not what the rest of the world needs from us.

As a result of this reform, the vast majority of illegals now in the country would never have been permitted to even apply for an immigration visa and would never have been welcome in this country under any circumstances because we simply don't need them. There is no way these people can be allowed to stay without contradicting and violating the very principles on which our immigration policies are based. No rational compromise is possible.

How many laps has the broken record spun with you... I get your argument... I agree with some of it and disagree with much of it.

There is no argument. It's a fact that allowing them to stay is antithetical to the principles on which our immigration policies are based. For that reason it would be unAmerican to allow them to stay.

Don't be calling Reagan unAmerican now, your Rhino friends might get offended

Reagan's amnesty continues to be an embarrassment to his supporters.

 

[bripat9643]

More bullshit. All you are proposing is another amnesty which we all know from experience leads to more illegal immigrants which leads to new calls for new amnesties.

President Trump was elected because he promised to do exactly what he is doing and already his actions have significantly reduced the number of illegals trying to cross our borders. By the time the next election comes around he will be able show significant progress in solving the illegal immigration problem and it will become an even stronger issue for him.

Great we will see about that. If he loses the next election then i'll expect you to admit that you were wrong

Sure enough, but until the next election we will continue to make illegals unwelcome in this country as a part of the strategy to discourage new illegal immigrants.

You can continue to try and scare them and make them feel unwelcome and the harder you push the harder your opposition will push back. If you really can't see that you uncompromising extremists are the cause of the problem then you need to open your eyes. That goes for both sides

Wrong. Open-borders douche bag politicians are the cause of the problem. There is simply no question about that.

Yes yes yes, it is always 100% the other guys fault. yawn, that argument got old in grade school.

If not hers and the people who allowed her to stay here, whose fault is it?

 

[bripat9643]

She walked into ICE twice a year for the past 18 years to check in. Do you understand that?

I understand that's what she claims to have done. I also understand a sympathetic press reports her claim without scrutiny because it makes for a better story.

I'm highly skeptical that 36 visits to immigration resulted in her being told every time that she's free to stay in this country illegally.

If she can prove that, perhaps it's the ICE agents who should be deported.

So is it your theory that she lied about checking in with ICE over the past 18 years but then just decided that she would roll the dice and do so for CNN and risk being deported?

Serious question...

Where did ICE get the power to determine if she can stay here for 18 years? Why wasn't she deported earlier?

Good question, I don't know.

They got it from douche bags like Obama.

 

[Andylusion]

The good it does is the fact that it's a real penalty that would discourage further illegal immigration. Allowing them to join the service and even get paid by the taxpayers while they violate our laws is not a penalty. It's a reward.

Allowing them to stay under any circumstances is antithetical to the principles on which our immigration policy is based. In 1965, the most liberal president in American history signed into law immigration reform legislation that is based on the principle that immigration into the US should be based on what America and Americans need from the rest of the world and not what the rest of the world needs from us.

As a result of this reform, the vast majority of illegals now in the country would never have been permitted to even apply for an immigration visa and would never have been welcome in this country under any circumstances because we simply don't need them. There is no way these people can be allowed to stay without contradicting and violating the very principles on which our immigration policies are based. No rational compromise is possible.

How many laps has the broken record spun with you... I get your argument... I agree with some of it and disagree with much of it.

There is no argument. It's a fact that allowing them to stay is antithetical to the principles on which our immigration policies are based. For that reason it would be unAmerican to allow them to stay.

Don't be calling Reagan unAmerican now, your Rhino friends might get offended

Reagan's amnesty continues to be an embarrassment to his supporters.

No, not really an embarrassment. Rather. it simply didn't work. We tried it. We implemented it. It didn't work.

What would be embarrassing, is if we were so stupid, that we saw it didn't work, admitted it didn't work, but then planned to do it again...... you know.... like what left-wing democrats keep trying to do.

Amnesty didn't work, so you guys promote it again. Socialism didn't work... so you are pushing for socialized health care. Government regulations on banks didn't work.... so you push for even more regulations on banks.

That should be embarrassing.

 

[Eloy]

Well maybe you have a child who falls in love and marries a woman like this, now you have a family here that is getting ripped apart.

Her fault, not ours.

Please do not depict all Americans as cold-hearted legalists who lack common humanity.

 

[Slade3200]

Great we will see about that. If he loses the next election then i'll expect you to admit that you were wrong

Sure enough, but until the next election we will continue to make illegals unwelcome in this country as a part of the strategy to discourage new illegal immigrants.

You can continue to try and scare them and make them feel unwelcome and the harder you push the harder your opposition will push back. If you really can't see that you uncompromising extremists are the cause of the problem then you need to open your eyes. That goes for both sides

Wrong. Open-borders douche bag politicians are the cause of the problem. There is simply no question about that.

Yes yes yes, it is always 100% the other guys fault. yawn, that argument got old in grade school.

If not hers and the people who allowed her to stay here, whose fault is it?

Its the fault of our government... The people who allowed her to stay. She checked in as she was told. Are you familiar with "adverse possession" it is part of our law that has similar elements as whats happened in the case of many undocumented residents that have lived hear for years and decades.