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I can tell you there ain't nothing special about any one of them...
Say it as many different ways as you like, Francis, but the fact remains that YOU wouldn't know, so YOU can't tell anyone anything. You're just a self-centered douchebag waiting to expire. Hurry it up.
Having kids is the most self centered act on the planet...
Quite frankly the day I can't take care of myself is the day I eat a bullet. .
I think the real forces behind the downfall of America are laughing their asses off at how they've convinced their minions that Communism is a threat to our way of life. They handily crafted the 2007 financial crisis that reaped them a trillion dollars and crippled our economy, and now they are reviving the housing bubble for their second big sweep on our assets because no one went to jail, and no one was even charged the first time around.
And the far right just doesn't seem to even notice because they are so busy looking for Reds under every rock or to the sky for the black helicopters that are supposed to whisk us away to FEMA prison camps.
Tsk...tsk
Not quite.
We had a housing bubble because the government demanded it. The government now demands another housing bubble. It isn't that no one went to jail last time. It was that people and companies were punished last time for not participating in growing the housing bubble. It worked. It worked so well, that the government intends to do it again.
We had a housing bubble because of unchecked greed
Mankind figured out a long time ago that we function better as a group than as a bunch of individuals.
Only when all individuals in the collective are functioning.
We have a collective full of non-functioning individuals believed to be entitled and therefore dependent on the functioning individuals to make the collective function better.
We had a housing bubble because of unchecked greed
We had a housing bubble because of politicians thinking it was their job to "help" people purchase something they couldn't afford.
It was not the poor who were profitting off real estate speculation nor the government
Follow the money
Mankind figured out a long time ago that we function better as a group than as a bunch of individuals.
Only when all individuals in the collective are functioning.
We have a collective full of non-functioning individuals believed to be entitled and therefore dependent on the functioning individuals to make the collective function better.
Not true
Even the most simple societies would take care of you when you were sick or injured. They would tolerate the elderly up to a point when they could no longer contribute
But every human society took care of it's children. Except today's conservatives
Do you EVER have ANYTHING interesting or relevant to say, hater Pubtroll?
OP- Pure Pubcrappe, now running on all 200 outlets of the Pub Propaganda Machine. LOL These people are educators, not involved with your hateful BS.
Mankind figured out a long time ago that we function better as a group than as a bunch of individuals. That is why we dominated the planet. He also figured out that nurturing the children made the group stronger in succeeding generations
The communities that do the best in this country are those that provide the best social structure. Not a social structure of every man for himself, but one where there is a strong community. Before Conservatives go apeshit this does not mean a government takeover of families but families supported by neighbors, churches, good schools, parks, recreation. Communities that look out for each other
This is what Harris was talking about
We had a housing bubble because of politicians thinking it was their job to "help" people purchase something they couldn't afford.
It was not the poor who were profitting off real estate speculation nor the government
Follow the money
It most certainly was. There are all kinds of 'profit.'
Mankind figured out a long time ago that we function better as a group than as a bunch of individuals. That is why we dominated the planet. He also figured out that nurturing the children made the group stronger in succeeding generations
The communities that do the best in this country are those that provide the best social structure. Not a social structure of every man for himself, but one where there is a strong community. Before Conservatives go apeshit this does not mean a government takeover of families but families supported by neighbors, churches, good schools, parks, recreation. Communities that look out for each other
This is what Harris was talking about
That is what you and I are talking about, that is not what Harris is talking about.
Here is how she should have said it:
1) "We have never invested correctly in public education, nor paid much attention to the waste of money being spent --- for so little in return compared to other developed nations; because we have given too much attention to the outrageous pensions and benefits of our public employees, and have hired too many administrators instead of teachers; whilst ignoring the true educational needs of our children, placing far too much of the burden on overworked parents, often single mothers, who themselves never completed high school.
2) Your kid is yours, but your kid also lives within society, and must learn to interact and succeed within today's society, and this cannot be accomplished by any family alone, isolated from the community.
3) We have failed as local communities to provide the support and opportunities to our children; our schools are dilapidated, our class sizes too large, our teachers under-qualified and rewarded for failure, our failure as community to teach personal responsibility and general manners and ethics. We have placed too many burdens upon the working parents, and we cannot expect them to fulfill both the roles of the community and the roles of parents simultaneously.
4) So want we need to do is BREAK this vicious and unproductive cycle that we've been in for the past fifty years, and analyze the failures of the welfare state; because this system has only impoverished us all and left more young mothers single with multiple children than ever before in our history.
5) We must recognize that only an Individual can empower them self when they become self-reliant, that once they mature in adulthood, only they are responsible for their success and failure; we must recognize that the Community only succeeds when the Individuals within that community succeed.
6) Once we discern the problems in our current system, and make more calculated and proper investments in the education of our children, so that the household isn't left with the sole responsibility of upbringing their children properly, our communities will finally prosper.
Compare that to what she actually said:
1. We have never invested as much in public education as we should have, because we have always had a private notion of our children.
2. [Sarcastic] 'Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility.'
3. We never had a collective notion that these are OUR children.
4. So part of it is that we have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents, or that kids belong to their families.
5. We must recognize that kids belong to the WHOLE COMMUNITY;
6. Once it is everyone's responsibility, and not just the household, we start making better investments.
How do these contrast?
On line 1, she says we don't invest enough ... We're investing more than any other civilized nation.
On my line 1 - It's how you invest, not how much you invest.
From that terrible opening, I'll let you figure out the rest of the contrasts.
Finally, I'd like to refer back to post 42:
This thread is a magnet for the Communists. Especially the ones that don't realize they are communists.
I hope this was a sobering enlightenment.
It was not the poor who were profitting off real estate speculation nor the government
Follow the money
It most certainly was. There are all kinds of 'profit.'
Really? Where is the money the poor managed to abscond with??
Oh really?...Try going to your local government meetings and witness the utter disregard for the taxpayer dollar.What sucks is when you libs refer to forced expense through taxation as 'investment'..I don't know what kind of shit hole community you live in but my community takes care of its children and is proud of them. We invest in our schools, recreational facilities, libraries, police protection. When our sports teams do well, the whole community celibrates. When a child is successful, the whole community is proud
God, it must suck to be a conservative
AN investment is a voluntary transfer of cash or other financial vehicle for the purpose of return on investment.
Taxation is not voluntary nor does it realize a return.
Most of the parks, landscaping, all the frills in the schools, the decorative lighting for the streets, etc is just politicians finding stupid shit on which to spend other people's money.
Communities that invest in the quality of life of it citizens flourish as it becomes a more desirable place to live
Nobody yearns to live in a Libertarian paradise
I can't figure out why I should be outraged at that video...
If you don't have any children, then it's difficult for you to empathize one way or the other. It's like asking a 20 year-old what it's like to be senior citizen. Children aren't slaves, but they are the parent's responsibility way more than any school or teacher. Schools/teachers don't feed, care, nurture and LOVE their kids anywhere near the parents of the children do. If you think that is meaningless, feel free to explain why.
And that's not what she is saying..
Wooooossssh.
But let me ask you something.
When a soldier dies defending our country...do you go, "Oh that was someone else's kid, no worries?"
I can't figure out why I should be outraged at that video...
If you don't have any children, then it's difficult for you to empathize one way or the other. It's like asking a 20 year-old what it's like to be senior citizen. Children aren't slaves, but they are the parent's responsibility way more than any school or teacher. Schools/teachers don't feed, care, nurture and LOVE their kids anywhere near the parents of the children do. If you think that is meaningless, feel free to explain why.
Who has ever said what parents do is meaningless? Are right wingers really this dense?
I can't figure out why I should be outraged at that video...
If you don't have any children, then it's difficult for you to empathize one way or the other. It's like asking a 20 year-old what it's like to be senior citizen. Children aren't slaves, but they are the parent's responsibility way more than any school or teacher. Schools/teachers don't feed, care, nurture and LOVE their kids anywhere near the parents of the children do. If you think that is meaningless, feel free to explain why.
The point isn't about the kids who do have proper parents. It is about those who do not. Society can pay the small price of taking responsibility for their education, or "their ignorance and vices will, in future life cost us much dearer in their consequences, than it would have done, in their correction, by a good education."*
*Thomas Jefferson; to Joseph Cabell (Jan. 14, 1818)
It's about putting more money into education, rather than letting the country go to hell under Reaganism and Voodoo- see sig pp1, ya GD brainwashed tools of the greedy idiot rich....
Thank for your answers. I agree with your own interpretations, but I do not agree with your translation of what she said.
You speak and think the same way I do:
Why are impoverished communities suffering from poor educational facilities?
Why aren't there enough qualified teachers?
Why are we spending so much money on the education budget for things that don't contribute tot he education of our children (see below).
However, there are many ways to deliver that message, and MSNBC delivers it in a Marxist tone. This is the outrage. It's not the "surface" message, it's the "foundation" of the message.
Wasted money, how to spend it better on education and get a better return, here are my answers, I'd like to know if you disagree or would add to this list.
Explain to me what costs you specifically include in "educating" a child:
Here's my list:
1) The transportation costs, purchasing the bus, maintaining the bus, paying the bus driver a salary equal the the MEDIAN salary of non-government workers. Also, using that bus in an efficient as possible a manner, that means you don't have a different fleet of buses for every local school; or you don't have 1 bus for every 5 kids.
2) Bare necessities: Electricity, water, school lunch for impoverished children, uniforms (that can be washed at school for impoverished children).
3) Staff: Teachers, one teacher per 20-30 students. Paid about 1.5 times the median salary of non-government workers. One administrative position per 100 students. So in a 600 student school you'd have one principal, two secretaries, one guidance cons, two armed guards (yep armed!)
Additional Staff: School cooks, one cafeteria monitor per 100 students in the cafeteria, janitors, crossing guard.
Everything else, like mowing the lawn, fixing computers, etc, would be a county or state level contract that covers all of the schools (good way to save money).
4) Accessories: Textbooks, pens/pencils/erasers/sharpeners, basic internet. One modern computer for every 20 children in the school. If we assume about 5 classes per grade level, and 6 grade levels in a primary school, you get about 38 computers, not too bad. Access to paper and folders for impoverished children. Decent desks. One per student.
5) Facilities: This is the actual construction, expansion and maintenance of the schools. These funds should come equally from the State government, no county/locality would receive any special favors for any reason.
6) Anything not listed here is gone, 100% eliminated. Wow! You wouldn't even need an overpaid Department of Education! That's right! The local curriculum would be decided upon by the teacher's who specialize in their subject (math, science, etc), and parents could volunteer to exempt their children from certain lessons, with both parental AND child consent (not either/or).
Wow, education would be mad cheap and damn effective under my system!
