Mueller, in First Comments on Russia Inquiry, Declines to Clear Trump

[Wapasha]

It's clear where Mueller stands on the issue:


"If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so,” Mr. Mueller said, reading from prepared notes behind a lectern at the Justice Department. “We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime.”
He also said that while Justice Department policy prohibits charging a sitting president with a crime, the Constitution provides for another process to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing — a clear reference to the ability of Congress to begin impeachment proceedings.

Do people think think defendants are assumed guilty until proven innocent by the prosecutors, is the proper function of our legal system?

What Mueller did, is akin to a court with only a prosecuting attorney, and the judge closing a murder trial, after pronouncing that the prosecution could not prove that the defendant did not murder the little girl. Then has the bailiff walk the defendant down the court house steps, and delivers him into the waiting arms of the angry mob.

We do not do that to people in this country. Its not for the prosecutor to prove the defendants are innocent of false charges, it's up to the prosecution to prove the person guilty of those charges. Trump, just like any of us, was innocent, until Mueller could prove him guilty.

When the prosecution could not build a case with sufficient evidence to prove guilt, that is when we close the case and declare "not guilty."

Mueller flipped everything on its head and declared Trump "not innocent." That's insane, and as wrong as wrong can be.

 

[BWK]

Then democrats should impeach. Spend the next year on impeachment. Then the senate will send you to your room.

So, what are you saying, Senate Republicans are corrupt?

 

[BWK]

He was charged with investigating and not clearing. The “did not clear” is a made up, fake news category.

That's a friggin lie.

 

[Leo123]

Mueller, in First Comments on Russia Inquiry, Declines to Clear Trump

It's clear where Mueller stands on the issue:


"If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so,” Mr. Mueller said, reading from prepared notes behind a lectern at the Justice Department. “We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime.”
He also said that while Justice Department policy prohibits charging a sitting president with a crime, the Constitution provides for another process to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing — a clear reference to the ability of Congress to begin impeachment proceedings.

Yeah, he hates Trump. It's evident in his first sentence. I highlighted it in red.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Mueller, in First Comments on Russia Inquiry, Declines to Clear Trump

It's clear where Mueller stands on the issue:


"If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so,” Mr. Mueller said, reading from prepared notes behind a lectern at the Justice Department. “We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime.”
He also said that while Justice Department policy prohibits charging a sitting president with a crime, the Constitution provides for another process to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing — a clear reference to the ability of Congress to begin impeachment proceedings.

That's not a prosecutor's job to "declare someone innocent," but to see if there is evidence to prosecute. He found none.

 

[Leo123]

Mueller, in First Comments on Russia Inquiry, Declines to Clear Trump

It's clear where Mueller stands on the issue:


"If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so,” Mr. Mueller said, reading from prepared notes behind a lectern at the Justice Department. “We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime.”
He also said that while Justice Department policy prohibits charging a sitting president with a crime, the Constitution provides for another process to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing — a clear reference to the ability of Congress to begin impeachment proceedings.

That's not a prosecutor's job to "declare someone innocent," but to see if there is evidence to prosecute. He found is none.

Yes, basically Mueller is saying Trump has to prove himself not guilty. That turns American justice upside down.

 

[Wapasha]

He was charged with investigating and not clearing. The “did not clear” is a made up, fake news category.

That's a friggin lie.

How so?

We are all presumed innocent until the prosecution can prove us guilty. We are not guilty until the prosecution can exonerate us to prove we are innocent.

 

[BWK]

Mueller, in First Comments on Russia Inquiry, Declines to Clear Trump

It's clear where Mueller stands on the issue:


"If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so,” Mr. Mueller said, reading from prepared notes behind a lectern at the Justice Department. “We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime.”
He also said that while Justice Department policy prohibits charging a sitting president with a crime, the Constitution provides for another process to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing — a clear reference to the ability of Congress to begin impeachment proceedings.

Yeah, he hates Trump. It's evident in his first sentence. I highlighted it in red.

The guy worked in law enforcement. Were you expecting him to lie? If someone is corrupt and a criminal, is law enforcement's job to cover for the person?

 

[BWK]

Mueller, in First Comments on Russia Inquiry, Declines to Clear Trump

It's clear where Mueller stands on the issue:


"If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so,” Mr. Mueller said, reading from prepared notes behind a lectern at the Justice Department. “We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime.”
He also said that while Justice Department policy prohibits charging a sitting president with a crime, the Constitution provides for another process to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing — a clear reference to the ability of Congress to begin impeachment proceedings.

That's not a prosecutor's job to "declare someone innocent," but to see if there is evidence to prosecute. He found is none.

Yes, basically Mueller is saying Trump has to prove himself not guilty. That turns American justice upside down.

Mueller presented the evidence that he is guilty. How exactly does that turn it upside down, when the evidence has been found? Have Trump's lawyers presented testimony or counter evidence against Mueller's? Your statements make no sense.

 

[BWK]

He was charged with investigating and not clearing. The “did not clear” is a made up, fake news category.

That's a friggin lie.

How so?

We are all presumed innocent until the prosecution can prove us guilty. We are not guilty until the prosecution can exonerate us to prove we are innocent.

The investigation by Mueller is over and the evidence proves obstruction. Unless Trump has a counter defense to that evidence then there is no more presumptions. He's been found guilty. That said, he cannot be indicted while president. If Trump were really innocent, his lawyers would have countered the evidence. But they provided no defense.

 

[Leo123]

Mueller presented the evidence that he is guilty. How exactly does that turn it upside down, when the evidence has been found? Have Trump's lawyers presented testimony or counter evidence against Mueller's? Your statements make no sense.

Mueller found no collusion which is what he was hired to do. The rest is a witch-hunt. Ask your self this, why didn't Mueller say 'we have evidence Trump committed a crime.' Instead he says the opposite which shows that he based his investigation on a presumption of guilt, is biased and his investigation was nothing but a witch hunt.

 

[blackhawk]

Just a little reminder to those who might have forgotten it is not the job of a prosecutor to clear someone of a crime everyone including a sitting President has the presumption of innocence. It is the job of a prosecutor to prove one guilty of a crime if they can not do that for whatever reason by our legal standard you are innocent. No matter how much some might wish it otherwise especially when it suits their political agenda our legal system is not based on the premis of guilty till proven innocent.

 

[BWK]

Then democrats should impeach. Spend the next year on impeachment. Then the senate will send you to your room.

It’s not about impeaching Trump. I know you’re kind doesn’t get this, but it’s all about doing the right thing.

The right thing would be a mass suicide of democrats. That's not very likely.

That's a nice concession to on your part how the Democrats kicked your ass over the truth, so let's gas light all Democrats. Can't handle it can you? The truth is a bitch ain't it? What a bunch of deplorable cowards the Right are. Whenever the truth boxes them in, let's get rid of Democrats. You people are too low on the scale. Pitiful human beings!

 

[Leo123]

That's a nice concession to on your part how the Democrats kicked your ass over the truth, so let's gas light all Democrats. Can't handle it can you? The truth is a bitch ain't it? What a bunch of deplorable cowards the Right are. Whenever the truth boxes them in, let's get rid of Democrats. You people are too low on the scale. Pitiful human beings!

How fucking boring.....Blah Blah

 

[BWK]

Mueller presented the evidence that he is guilty. How exactly does that turn it upside down, when the evidence has been found? Have Trump's lawyers presented testimony or counter evidence against Mueller's? Your statements make no sense.

Mueller found no collusion which is what he was hired to do. The rest is a witch-hunt. Ask your self this, why didn't Mueller say 'we have evidence Trump committed a crime.' Instead he says the opposite which shows that he based his investigation on a presumption of guilt, is biased and his investigation was nothing but a witch hunt.

Except he did find Collusion. You still don't get it do you? I asked you this before and you never answered. And you won't now. Do you know the difference between collusion with Russia, and criminal conspiracy with Russia to collude?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Just a little reminder to those who might have forgotten it is not the job of a prosecutor to clear someone of a crime everyone including a sitting President has the presumption of innocence. It is the job of a prosecutor to prove one guilty of a crime if they can not do that for whatever reason by our legal standard you are innocent. No matter how much some might wish it otherwise especially when it suits their political agenda our legal system is not based on the premis of guilty till proven innocent.

Democrats dont live in AMERICA. Trump must PROVE he's innocent. He failed to clear his name sufficiently to satisfy Democrats so he must be impeached!

 

[BWK]

Then democrats should impeach. Spend the next year on impeachment. Then the senate will send you to your room.

It’s not about impeaching Trump. I know you’re kind doesn’t get this, but it’s all about doing the right thing.

The right thing would be a mass suicide of democrats. That's not very likely.

That's a nice concession to on your part how the Democrats kicked your ass over the truth, so let's gas light all Democrats. Can't handle it can you? The truth is a bitch ain't it? What a bunch of deplorable cowards the Right are. Whenever the truth boxes them in, let's get rid of Democrats. You people are too low on the scale. Pitiful human beings!

How fucking boring.....Blah Blah

The truth is kicking your ass. Try and get a life. Trump has been made. And there is nothing you can do about it.

 

[BWK]

Just a little reminder to those who might have forgotten it is not the job of a prosecutor to clear someone of a crime everyone including a sitting President has the presumption of innocence. It is the job of a prosecutor to prove one guilty of a crime if they can not do that for whatever reason by our legal standard you are innocent. No matter how much some might wish it otherwise especially when it suits their political agenda our legal system is not based on the premis of guilty till proven innocent.

Democrats dont live in AMERICA. Trump must PROVE he's innocent. He failed to clear his name sufficiently to satisfy Democrats so he must be impeached!

Trump has no defense, and his lawyers have not provided any counter evidence against Mueller. They've had 22 months to gather their own evidence, and Trump has obstructed the whole time. Get over it. There is no defense for him.

 

[BWK]

That's a nice concession to on your part how the Democrats kicked your ass over the truth, so let's gas light all Democrats. Can't handle it can you? The truth is a bitch ain't it? What a bunch of deplorable cowards the Right are. Whenever the truth boxes them in, let's get rid of Democrats. You people are too low on the scale. Pitiful human beings!

How fucking boring.....Blah Blah

Losers can't deal with it. Keep on protecting criminals.

 

[Wapasha]

He was charged with investigating and not clearing. The “did not clear” is a made up, fake news category.

That's a friggin lie.

How so?

We are all presumed innocent until the prosecution can prove us guilty. We are not guilty until the prosecution can exonerate us to prove we are innocent.

The investigation by Mueller is over and the evidence proves obstruction. Unless Trump has a counter defense to that evidence then there is no more presumptions. He's been found guilty. That said, he cannot be indicted while president. If Trump were really innocent, his lawyers would have countered the evidence. But they provided no defense.

You think Trump obstructed an investigation over a false charge of Trump-Russia collusion, that Trump knew no one was guilty of?

Tell me, did Mueller file his report to AG Barr? Guess he was not fired then.

Tell me, did Trump deny Mueller any emails, documents, or other evidence? No.

Tell me, did Trump refuse to allow any of his staff or executive branch employees from being summoned and interviewed by Mueller? No.

Did Mueller say he found probable cause of obstruction of justice but couldn't charge due to OLC rules? No.

Trump gave Mueller every document he asked for, and allowed everyone Mueller's team wanted to interview.

There was no obstruction.