My Brother is a Cop and It's Getting Bad

[LoneLaugher]

We were supposed to have dinner at my brother's house yesterday, but he called me up when he got home from his shift and cancelled. He wanted to just chill after the shift he worked yesterday. He patrols a higher crime neighborhood, which is mostly blacks, and he said the past couple of weeks have gotten really bad. People aren't respectful at all. They're rude and belligerent towards him. He's been called names, taunted, it's been constant chaos. He stopped a car yesterday because the guy came up with a warrant in the system. Immediately, when he had the guy step out of his car he started screaming something about George Floyd and then became nasty and resistant. My brother and his partner, who arrived shortly after, had to tackle the guy to the ground in order to get him restrained. While this was going on he said a dozen or so blacks came running up on them, whipping out their phones recording, calling them names, taunting them. He said it was super nerve racking because in the middle of the skirmish he had no idea if any of these other people, who had no business being up that close to them, were going to run up and attack them from behind. He said it was like being in the middle of a zoo. He is starting to consider leaving the department at this point because it's become incredibly dangerous for them.

And my brother is Asian and the officer who responded to back him up is Hispanic, so this wasn't even a white cop thing; it's just an anyone in uniform thing. We're told we should be judging people by their character and not their skin color, but apparently these same people think it's fine to judge anyone in a uniform as evil.

My son is a half Asian cop in his early 30's and works in a city which has its share of crime. He is not experiencing any of that.

Perhaps it is a matter of how the department handles business.

 

[Andylusion]

Why would he run the plates? Did the guy do something wrong? How did he know who was in the car?

If there are no active calls they'll run plates at random. Sometimes they'll do it if the driver is driving suspiciously.

"driving suspiciously"???
what does that even mean???

thats a reason right there to not trust cops,,,

Timothy McVeigh was caught because a sharp eyed trooper noticed he was driving suspiciously .

Ignoramus

He stopped him because the car he was driving didn't have a license. Interesting enough, even though he was doing something illegal he told the officer he had a loaded handgun and didn't get killed unlike Philandro Castillo who had done nothing wrong.

For some strange reason the racist white propagandists in the media minimize the officer's name from the HYPED news.

Jeronimo Yanez is the name.

Guess why that name isn't repeated over and over and over and over again.

You know what? Don't. Please go tell some Africans how bad it is for you in America.

Thousands protest after Philando Castile shooting verdict; 18 arrested

Leave it to one of you mentally enslaved to not get the point.

Have you prepared your escape to Cuba from this land of tyranny? Let us know how things work out.

I'm not going anywhere. You work to change what is wrong with where you are.

Yeah, of course. Like the hundreds of thousands of people that die attempting to escape those socialist paradises that you want here.

You really are stooge of white liberal propaganda. Go find an actual African and tell him how bad things are here in America with 7 Elevens and KFC restaurants and how bad it is for commie Kaepernick who is being paid $50 million dollars as a virtue signaling victim by a company that has a well documented horrific reputation of labor practices with their factories in Vietnam and Pakistan.

They may need to be more disgusted by you than they already are.

You know how pawns work in Chess?

You are the one arguing the authoritarian position.

You know what the opposite of having authority is? Chaos and anarchy.

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Yeah, we need authority, to have a civilized society. His argument is a good one. Your argument sucks.

the opposite of authority is no authority,,
and it has nothing to do with a civilized society as we have seen in all the fascist and communist societies/countries,,,

Sure it does. You can't have a civilized society, without authority.

hitler, stalin and moa had authority to do what they did,,,
are you saying those were civilized societies???

Extremely civilized. Especially in Stalins Russia, crime was virtually non-existent. People were polite, and people were very civilized.

Because obviously if you were not civilized in Stalin's Russia, you ended up in a gulag.

Mao was the same. Hitler was the same. Germany was very civilized. So was China.

If you want to see what uncivilized is, look at Sudan, or Rwanda in the 90s. When the police basically left the area, and people walked around with machetes, and cut people to be ribbons, and laughed and enjoyed it.

Having no authority results in looting riots killing.

Even oppressive and abusive authority is better than chaos and anarchy.

But you seem to be implying that wanting authority, means Stalin Mao, and Hitler.

Ridiculous. We want absolute authority, within the confines of protecting people's rights.

For example Singapore. Singapore has one of the toughest and most well enforced laws in the world. You are safer in Singapore, than almost any tourist destination in the world.

In a city of 5 million, they have less than 10 murders a year, and sometimes zero.

But people are not being shipped off to gulags, like Stalin, or gas-showers like Hitler, or being rolled over by tanks, like China.

Yet they have strict clear authority. You come to Singapore transporting drugs, you get hanged. They don't mess around. You vandalize a bunch of cars in Singapore, you get cained.

U.S. Student Tells of Pain Of His Caning In Singapore (Published 1994)

www.nytimes.com

When a dumb US student went to Singapore in 1994, and thought he could vandalize property like in the US, where we basically do nothing to them... (or even if they loot and burn half the city it seems).... in Singapore they dragged his but to jail, convicted his dumb butt in court, and sent him to (if I remember right) 40 lashes with a cane.

And they beat that student hard, so he was screaming. Then they let him go.

AND RIGHTLY SO.

This is why the people of Singapore are not oppressed. They are freer than people here in the US. Because they ruthlessly enforce the laws.

We had a lady from Singapore come debate some Americans from New York. The dumb New Yorker woman was sitting there "But you can't do stuff in Singapore, you are not free!"

The Singapore woman responded that she is more free than the New Yorker was. She can go absolutely anywhere in the entire city of Singapore, at any time of the year, at any time of the day, with zero fear of even having a pick pocket, let alone being beaten in central park, or raped or murdered.

Authority is required for civilized society. The more of it you have, the more free and the more civil society becomes.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

We were supposed to have dinner at my brother's house yesterday, but he called me up when he got home from his shift and cancelled. He wanted to just chill after the shift he worked yesterday. He patrols a higher crime neighborhood, which is mostly blacks, and he said the past couple of weeks have gotten really bad. People aren't respectful at all. They're rude and belligerent towards him. He's been called names, taunted, it's been constant chaos. He stopped a car yesterday because the guy came up with a warrant in the system. Immediately, when he had the guy step out of his car he started screaming something about George Floyd and then became nasty and resistant. My brother and his partner, who arrived shortly after, had to tackle the guy to the ground in order to get him restrained. While this was going on he said a dozen or so blacks came running up on them, whipping out their phones recording, calling them names, taunting them. He said it was super nerve racking because in the middle of the skirmish he had no idea if any of these other people, who had no business being up that close to them, were going to run up and attack them from behind. He said it was like being in the middle of a zoo. He is starting to consider leaving the department at this point because it's become incredibly dangerous for them.

And my brother is Asian and the officer who responded to back him up is Hispanic, so this wasn't even a white cop thing; it's just an anyone in uniform thing. We're told we should be judging people by their character and not their skin color, but apparently these same people think it's fine to judge anyone in a uniform as evil.

Why would he run the plates? Did the guy do something wrong? How did he know who was in the car?

Why would he run the plates?

Why wouldn't he run the plates?

Because he had no reason to.

Your plate is on the road, reason enough.

US District Judge Richard F. Boulware II decided the warrantless use of the surveillance database did not violate the Fourth Amendment because motorists are supposed to have a lesser expectation of privacy. Judge Boulware acknowledged the US Supreme Court's ruling in US v. Jones restricted warrantless use of GPS trackers, but he noted that the main objection in Jones was that the GPS device -- unlike ALPR cameras -- follows motorists onto private property.

"The court finds that the license plate image of the GMC Yukon and the location of the observation in the [Vigilant Solutions] LEARN detection report was obtained from a digital camera while the GMC Yukon was on a public street and before it entered into any private property or private gated community," Judge Boulware ruled. "Yang does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the observation (and location of the observation) of the license plate of the vehicle he is driving on public streets with other vehicles."

Federal Judge Upholds Warrantless License Plate Tracking

US district court judge rules that no warrant is needed for unlimited tracking of motorists with license plate cameras.

www.thenewspaper.com

 

[progressive hunter]

Why would he run the plates? Did the guy do something wrong? How did he know who was in the car?

If there are no active calls they'll run plates at random. Sometimes they'll do it if the driver is driving suspiciously.

"driving suspiciously"???
what does that even mean???

thats a reason right there to not trust cops,,,

Timothy McVeigh was caught because a sharp eyed trooper noticed he was driving suspiciously .

Ignoramus

He stopped him because the car he was driving didn't have a license. Interesting enough, even though he was doing something illegal he told the officer he had a loaded handgun and didn't get killed unlike Philandro Castillo who had done nothing wrong.

For some strange reason the racist white propagandists in the media minimize the officer's name from the HYPED news.

Jeronimo Yanez is the name.

Guess why that name isn't repeated over and over and over and over again.

You know what? Don't. Please go tell some Africans how bad it is for you in America.

Thousands protest after Philando Castile shooting verdict; 18 arrested

Leave it to one of you mentally enslaved to not get the point.

Have you prepared your escape to Cuba from this land of tyranny? Let us know how things work out.

I'm not going anywhere. You work to change what is wrong with where you are.

Yeah, of course. Like the hundreds of thousands of people that die attempting to escape those socialist paradises that you want here.

You really are stooge of white liberal propaganda. Go find an actual African and tell him how bad things are here in America with 7 Elevens and KFC restaurants and how bad it is for commie Kaepernick who is being paid $50 million dollars as a virtue signaling victim by a company that has a well documented horrific reputation of labor practices with their factories in Vietnam and Pakistan.

They may need to be more disgusted by you than they already are.

You know how pawns work in Chess?

You are the one arguing the authoritarian position.

You know what the opposite of having authority is? Chaos and anarchy.

View attachment 352256

Yeah, we need authority, to have a civilized society. His argument is a good one. Your argument sucks.

the opposite of authority is no authority,,
and it has nothing to do with a civilized society as we have seen in all the fascist and communist societies/countries,,,

Sure it does. You can't have a civilized society, without authority.

hitler, stalin and moa had authority to do what they did,,,
are you saying those were civilized societies???

Extremely civilized. Especially in Stalins Russia, crime was virtually non-existent. People were polite, and people were very civilized.

Because obviously if you were not civilized in Stalin's Russia, you ended up in a gulag.

Mao was the same. Hitler was the same. Germany was very civilized. So was China.

If you want to see what uncivilized is, look at Sudan, or Rwanda in the 90s. When the police basically left the area, and people walked around with machetes, and cut people to be ribbons, and laughed and enjoyed it.

Having no authority results in looting riots killing.

Even oppressive and abusive authority is better than chaos and anarchy.

But you seem to be implying that wanting authority, means Stalin Mao, and Hitler.

Ridiculous. We want absolute authority, within the confines of protecting people's rights.

For example Singapore. Singapore has one of the toughest and most well enforced laws in the world. You are safer in Singapore, than almost any tourist destination in the world.

In a city of 5 million, they have less than 10 murders a year, and sometimes zero.

But people are not being shipped off to gulags, like Stalin, or gas-showers like Hitler, or being rolled over by tanks, like China.

Yet they have strict clear authority. You come to Singapore transporting drugs, you get hanged. They don't mess around. You vandalize a bunch of cars in Singapore, you get cained.

U.S. Student Tells of Pain Of His Caning In Singapore (Published 1994)

www.nytimes.com

When a dumb US student went to Singapore in 1994, and thought he could vandalize property like in the US, where we basically do nothing to them... (or even if they loot and burn half the city it seems).... in Singapore they dragged his but to jail, convicted his dumb butt in court, and sent him to (if I remember right) 40 lashes with a cane.

And they beat that student hard, so he was screaming. Then they let him go.

AND RIGHTLY SO.

This is why the people of Singapore are not oppressed. They are freer than people here in the US. Because they ruthlessly enforce the laws.

We had a lady from Singapore come debate some Americans from New York. The dumb New Yorker woman was sitting there "But you can't do stuff in Singapore, you are not free!"

The Singapore woman responded that she is more free than the New Yorker was. She can go absolutely anywhere in the entire city of Singapore, at any time of the year, at any time of the day, with zero fear of even having a pick pocket, let alone being beaten in central park, or raped or murdered.

Authority is required for civilized society. The more of it you have, the more free and the more civil society becomes.

good morals is all thats needed for a civilized society to exist,,,

 

[colfax_m]

Why would he run the plates? Did the guy do something wrong? How did he know who was in the car?

If there are no active calls they'll run plates at random. Sometimes they'll do it if the driver is driving suspiciously.

"driving suspiciously"???
what does that even mean???

thats a reason right there to not trust cops,,,

Timothy McVeigh was caught because a sharp eyed trooper noticed he was driving suspiciously .

Ignoramus

Wikipedia says he was caught because he was driving without plates.

I read last night that you can be pulled over for having a air freshener in your mirror. Let’s just drop the pretense and say that cops need no excuse to pull you over.

A guy actually got pulled over when the cop saw the driver's hands at 10 and 2. The cop thought that looked "suspicious." That's what you do when a cop starts following you just waiting for you to make a "mistake."

Yeah, a mistake, like going 65 in a 70 zone. Awfully suspicious.

Run-in with Sampson deputy leaves driver feeling unsafe

A traffic stop in Sampson County Thursday bothered the driver so much he shared video of the encounter on Facebook.

www.wral.com

 

[justoffal]

We were supposed to have dinner at my brother's house yesterday, but he called me up when he got home from his shift and cancelled. He wanted to just chill after the shift he worked yesterday. He patrols a higher crime neighborhood, which is mostly blacks, and he said the past couple of weeks have gotten really bad. People aren't respectful at all. They're rude and belligerent towards him. He's been called names, taunted, it's been constant chaos. He stopped a car yesterday because the guy came up with a warrant in the system. Immediately, when he had the guy step out of his car he started screaming something about George Floyd and then became nasty and resistant. My brother and his partner, who arrived shortly after, had to tackle the guy to the ground in order to get him restrained. While this was going on he said a dozen or so blacks came running up on them, whipping out their phones recording, calling them names, taunting them. He said it was super nerve racking because in the middle of the skirmish he had no idea if any of these other people, who had no business being up that close to them, were going to run up and attack them from behind. He said it was like being in the middle of a zoo. He is starting to consider leaving the department at this point because it's become incredibly dangerous for them.

And my brother is Asian and the officer who responded to back him up is Hispanic, so this wasn't even a white cop thing; it's just an anyone in uniform thing. We're told we should be judging people by their character and not their skin color, but apparently these same people think it's fine to judge anyone in a uniform as evil.

Why would he run the plates? Did the guy do something wrong? How did he know who was in the car?

It's automatic in all States now.
There's a camera on the cruiser that just runs the plates.

Jo

 

[Andylusion]

Why would he run the plates? Did the guy do something wrong? How did he know who was in the car?

If there are no active calls they'll run plates at random. Sometimes they'll do it if the driver is driving suspiciously.

"driving suspiciously"???
what does that even mean???

thats a reason right there to not trust cops,,,

Timothy McVeigh was caught because a sharp eyed trooper noticed he was driving suspiciously .

Ignoramus

He stopped him because the car he was driving didn't have a license. Interesting enough, even though he was doing something illegal he told the officer he had a loaded handgun and didn't get killed unlike Philandro Castillo who had done nothing wrong.

For some strange reason the racist white propagandists in the media minimize the officer's name from the HYPED news.

Jeronimo Yanez is the name.

Guess why that name isn't repeated over and over and over and over again.

You know what? Don't. Please go tell some Africans how bad it is for you in America.

Thousands protest after Philando Castile shooting verdict; 18 arrested

Leave it to one of you mentally enslaved to not get the point.

Have you prepared your escape to Cuba from this land of tyranny? Let us know how things work out.

I'm not going anywhere. You work to change what is wrong with where you are.

Yeah, of course. Like the hundreds of thousands of people that die attempting to escape those socialist paradises that you want here.

You really are stooge of white liberal propaganda. Go find an actual African and tell him how bad things are here in America with 7 Elevens and KFC restaurants and how bad it is for commie Kaepernick who is being paid $50 million dollars as a virtue signaling victim by a company that has a well documented horrific reputation of labor practices with their factories in Vietnam and Pakistan.

They may need to be more disgusted by you than they already are.

You know how pawns work in Chess?

You are the one arguing the authoritarian position.

You know what the opposite of having authority is? Chaos and anarchy.

View attachment 352256

Yeah, we need authority, to have a civilized society. His argument is a good one. Your argument sucks.

the opposite of authority is no authority,,
and it has nothing to do with a civilized society as we have seen in all the fascist and communist societies/countries,,,

Authority and Authoritarian have different meanings.

ooooo... Ok. Please detail very specifically, what the difference is, in your opinion.

It's not an opinion.

Authority.

a person or organization having power or control in a particular, typically political or administrative, sphere.

Authoritarian

favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

So you know that stopping someone from committing rape, is a loss of personal freedom?

Because that's where the rub comes.

Government is there to protect personal freedom. Such as my property. I think if someone breaks into my car, that they should be shot.

Because that is a violation of personal freedom. My personal freedom.

Do you look on government ruthlessly enforcing those laws, as "authoritarian" when they are protecting the rights of law abiding people?

Because what I am seeing is that people who claim to be against "authoritarianism", end up just being anarchists who defend criminals, who are abusing the public and violating the personal freedom of others.

What I see, is that people can quote the correct definitions, and then support the opposite of what those definitions mean. They say "they support protection of personal freedom" and then defend every single criminal they meet, and never once care about the victims.

 

[progressive hunter]

Why would he run the plates? Did the guy do something wrong? How did he know who was in the car?

If there are no active calls they'll run plates at random. Sometimes they'll do it if the driver is driving suspiciously.

"driving suspiciously"???
what does that even mean???

thats a reason right there to not trust cops,,,

Timothy McVeigh was caught because a sharp eyed trooper noticed he was driving suspiciously .

Ignoramus

He stopped him because the car he was driving didn't have a license. Interesting enough, even though he was doing something illegal he told the officer he had a loaded handgun and didn't get killed unlike Philandro Castillo who had done nothing wrong.

For some strange reason the racist white propagandists in the media minimize the officer's name from the HYPED news.

Jeronimo Yanez is the name.

Guess why that name isn't repeated over and over and over and over again.

You know what? Don't. Please go tell some Africans how bad it is for you in America.

Thousands protest after Philando Castile shooting verdict; 18 arrested

Leave it to one of you mentally enslaved to not get the point.

Have you prepared your escape to Cuba from this land of tyranny? Let us know how things work out.

I'm not going anywhere. You work to change what is wrong with where you are.

Yeah, of course. Like the hundreds of thousands of people that die attempting to escape those socialist paradises that you want here.

You really are stooge of white liberal propaganda. Go find an actual African and tell him how bad things are here in America with 7 Elevens and KFC restaurants and how bad it is for commie Kaepernick who is being paid $50 million dollars as a virtue signaling victim by a company that has a well documented horrific reputation of labor practices with their factories in Vietnam and Pakistan.

They may need to be more disgusted by you than they already are.

You know how pawns work in Chess?

You are the one arguing the authoritarian position.

You know what the opposite of having authority is? Chaos and anarchy.

View attachment 352256

Yeah, we need authority, to have a civilized society. His argument is a good one. Your argument sucks.

the opposite of authority is no authority,,
and it has nothing to do with a civilized society as we have seen in all the fascist and communist societies/countries,,,

Authority and Authoritarian have different meanings.

ooooo... Ok. Please detail very specifically, what the difference is, in your opinion.

It's not an opinion.

Authority.

a person or organization having power or control in a particular, typically political or administrative, sphere.

Authoritarian

favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

So you know that stopping someone from committing rape, is a loss of personal freedom?

Because that's where the rub comes.

Government is there to protect personal freedom. Such as my property. I think if someone breaks into my car, that they should be shot.

Because that is a violation of personal freedom. My personal freedom.

Do you look on government ruthlessly enforcing those laws, as "authoritarian" when they are protecting the rights of law abiding people?

Because what I am seeing is that people who claim to be against "authoritarianism", end up just being anarchists who defend criminals, who are abusing the public and violating the personal freedom of others.

What I see, is that people can quote the correct definitions, and then support the opposite of what those definitions mean. They say "they support protection of personal freedom" and then defend every single criminal they meet, and never once care about the victims.

so if your son breaks into my car I should just shoot him???

 

[B. Kidd]

What part of town did it occur?

I'd rather not disclose that.

It's a big town. I will guess it's NLV.

Nope.
They have their own police dept..
Taz Bro's guy works for Metro.

 

[B. Kidd]

Here's a start. I think this is part of the problem. Not the biggest problem, but part of it. It's a little out-dated, but you get the idea.

Why don't police departments look like the communities that they serve? I thnk it gives a perception of "us vs them" instead of the community looking after itself. If you're trying to rebuild damaged trust relations, I think this is a good place to start.


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It's because a fair amount of blacks and Hispanics already have a criminal record and don't qualify, dummy.

For sake of argument, let's assume that's correct.

What about Asians?

Overqualified due to secondary educational achievement.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

This is why the people of Singapore are not oppressed. They are freer than people here in the US.

That is absolutely NOT true. My mother is from Singapore and while they are a fairly economically free state they have very authoritarian laws. For instance, you can be jailed for publicly criticizing the government.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I would suggest that your brother is getting a taste of what black people go through every day.

Black people do NOT go through this everyday. Their biggest problem blacks have in this country is themselves and their decayed subculture

 

[Andylusion]

Why would he run the plates? Did the guy do something wrong? How did he know who was in the car?

If there are no active calls they'll run plates at random. Sometimes they'll do it if the driver is driving suspiciously.

"driving suspiciously"???
what does that even mean???

thats a reason right there to not trust cops,,,

Timothy McVeigh was caught because a sharp eyed trooper noticed he was driving suspiciously .

Ignoramus

He stopped him because the car he was driving didn't have a license. Interesting enough, even though he was doing something illegal he told the officer he had a loaded handgun and didn't get killed unlike Philandro Castillo who had done nothing wrong.

For some strange reason the racist white propagandists in the media minimize the officer's name from the HYPED news.

Jeronimo Yanez is the name.

Guess why that name isn't repeated over and over and over and over again.

You know what? Don't. Please go tell some Africans how bad it is for you in America.

Thousands protest after Philando Castile shooting verdict; 18 arrested

Leave it to one of you mentally enslaved to not get the point.

Have you prepared your escape to Cuba from this land of tyranny? Let us know how things work out.

I'm not going anywhere. You work to change what is wrong with where you are.

Yeah, of course. Like the hundreds of thousands of people that die attempting to escape those socialist paradises that you want here.

You really are stooge of white liberal propaganda. Go find an actual African and tell him how bad things are here in America with 7 Elevens and KFC restaurants and how bad it is for commie Kaepernick who is being paid $50 million dollars as a virtue signaling victim by a company that has a well documented horrific reputation of labor practices with their factories in Vietnam and Pakistan.

They may need to be more disgusted by you than they already are.

You know how pawns work in Chess?

You are the one arguing the authoritarian position.

You know what the opposite of having authority is? Chaos and anarchy.

View attachment 352256

Yeah, we need authority, to have a civilized society. His argument is a good one. Your argument sucks.

the opposite of authority is no authority,,
and it has nothing to do with a civilized society as we have seen in all the fascist and communist societies/countries,,,

Sure it does. You can't have a civilized society, without authority.

hitler, stalin and moa had authority to do what they did,,,
are you saying those were civilized societies???

Extremely civilized. Especially in Stalins Russia, crime was virtually non-existent. People were polite, and people were very civilized.

Because obviously if you were not civilized in Stalin's Russia, you ended up in a gulag.

Mao was the same. Hitler was the same. Germany was very civilized. So was China.

If you want to see what uncivilized is, look at Sudan, or Rwanda in the 90s. When the police basically left the area, and people walked around with machetes, and cut people to be ribbons, and laughed and enjoyed it.

Having no authority results in looting riots killing.

Even oppressive and abusive authority is better than chaos and anarchy.

But you seem to be implying that wanting authority, means Stalin Mao, and Hitler.

Ridiculous. We want absolute authority, within the confines of protecting people's rights.

For example Singapore. Singapore has one of the toughest and most well enforced laws in the world. You are safer in Singapore, than almost any tourist destination in the world.

In a city of 5 million, they have less than 10 murders a year, and sometimes zero.

But people are not being shipped off to gulags, like Stalin, or gas-showers like Hitler, or being rolled over by tanks, like China.

Yet they have strict clear authority. You come to Singapore transporting drugs, you get hanged. They don't mess around. You vandalize a bunch of cars in Singapore, you get cained.

U.S. Student Tells of Pain Of His Caning In Singapore (Published 1994)

www.nytimes.com

When a dumb US student went to Singapore in 1994, and thought he could vandalize property like in the US, where we basically do nothing to them... (or even if they loot and burn half the city it seems).... in Singapore they dragged his but to jail, convicted his dumb butt in court, and sent him to (if I remember right) 40 lashes with a cane.

And they beat that student hard, so he was screaming. Then they let him go.

AND RIGHTLY SO.

This is why the people of Singapore are not oppressed. They are freer than people here in the US. Because they ruthlessly enforce the laws.

We had a lady from Singapore come debate some Americans from New York. The dumb New Yorker woman was sitting there "But you can't do stuff in Singapore, you are not free!"

The Singapore woman responded that she is more free than the New Yorker was. She can go absolutely anywhere in the entire city of Singapore, at any time of the year, at any time of the day, with zero fear of even having a pick pocket, let alone being beaten in central park, or raped or murdered.

Authority is required for civilized society. The more of it you have, the more free and the more civil society becomes.

good morals is all thats needed for a civilized society to exist,,,

Welcome to reality. People don't have good morals.

Let me tell you a quick story.

This was 20 years ago now. I was in college. I was working at a Cadillac car dealership, that was across the street from the college.

In class, there was a lady sitting next to me, and we got to talking. One day she found out that I worked at the Cadillac dealership. She ask me, if I could get her one of those gold Cadillac emblems for her son, because he would put in on his backpack for school.

So I mentioned to her, that those emblems are actually rather expensive, but I could get a discount if she wanted me to buy it for her.

"Oh no no, I don't mean buy it. I mean, you know, if you see one that you could get without anyone noticing".

She was asking me to steal it. And this didn't even make her flinch. It was as causal as, if you find a dandelion on the way in, could you pick one for me.

Stealing and thievery, even from the employer that paid my wages, was normal, common, and acceptable in her world. And this lady was a mother raising a son.

You say all you need is morals for civil society to exist.... yeah, and you need enforced laws, to instill in people good morals.

Without laws that are ruthlessly enforced, there will be no morals.

I'll give you two direct examples.

Chicago Crime Spikes As Police Avoid Becoming 'The Next Viral Video'

Chicago police are under scrutiny for misconduct, and arrests and street stops are down. But more than 100 people have already been murdered there in 2016, double the number compared to last year.

www.npr.org

Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed.

Baltimore's murder rate reached an all-time high last year. Before that happened, police there suddenly stopped noticing crime.

www.usatoday.com

After the riots and protests in Chicago and Baltimore, police dramatically reduced their patrols and policing.

Crime dramatically increased in both areas. Waves of killings and such spread across those areas.

So let me ask you.... did morals magically decline? No. Morals didn't change. Policing did.

The same will happen in cities across America today, as police pull back. We've already seen it.

Business owner near CHOP says calls to 911 went unanswered

While the CHOP has often been portrayed as a street fair by city officials and various media channels, one local business owner has a different story.

mynorthwest.com

Called for police 19 times, they refused to show up. They don't want to be charged with murder, after a looter fights with police and ends up shot.

What moral values do you think is spread by this widely publicized story? Looters know nothing will happen. It's now 'safe' to loot places, even if the owner is there, because nothing will happen to them.

If you think all you need is moral values.... then knock yourself out man. Go prove it. Go see how that works for you.

What is funny, is even the anti-police "defund the police" CHAZ people know, that you need law enforcement. That's why they have armed militias patrolling.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Bad time to be a cop

They have lost the trust and goodwill of the public. Much of it is undeserved but the public has reached an “enough is enough” point.

It will take a while to patch things up.

What a load of bullshit! "Enough is enough", "Black Lives Matter", "Systemic Racism", "White Privilege", all hysterical nonsense with no basis in fact. 330,000,000 people in the US, 50,000,000 black people and a couple of video clips showing violent criminals who are resisting arrest being taken down by police and angry mobs are rampaging through the streets of America railing against anything that is white and city and state government cowering in fear and surrendering to any demands the mobs make. Lost in all this noise is the fact that there is no evidence any of the police actions the mobs are ranting about were motivated by racism. The major civil rights battles were fought a half century ago, and the people rampaging in the streets today are all either conmen or idiots.

A cop's job is to arrest criminals, maintain good order and to the extent possible, prevent crimes, not to try to get invited to block parties in high crime areas. To the extent the trust of the community aids them in these tasks it is a good thing, but to the extent it impairs their ability to do their jobs, it is a bad thing. What happened in Atlanta is the result of an incompetent mayor and police chief who prioritized good community relations over protecting the public's safety by arresting dangerous criminals.

The cops had run Brooks' id and knew he had a history of violent behavior and was currently on probation for violent crimes and that a due arrest would send him right back to prison, so they had reason to think he might become violent when they tried to arrest him. If the cops had been less concerned with community relations and more concerned with safely arresting Brooks, when he failed the breath test they should have drawn their guns, ordered him to the ground, immobilized his body and then cuffed him. Of course, there would have been dozens of videos claiming to show racist white cops brutalizing an innocent black and the mayor and police chief would have expressed outraged and maybe fired the cops (for a job well done) but maybe Wendy's would not have been burned down.

But since Atlanta police have been trained by the police chief and mayor to be more concerned with community relations than with doing police work, the cops treated Brooks as if he were just an ordinary guy who had one too many instead of a violent criminal who would be going back to prison as a result of this arrest. And now the DA, who is himself under criminal investigation by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation for stealing $140, 000 from taxpayers and is lagging far behind his opponent in the upcoming primary, is trying to exploit this mess by seeking murder charges against the police.

Enough is enough and it is time for weak and incompetent politicians to grow brains and backbones and stand up to the mobs, however, no matter what they do now, it will likely take a long time too regain the trust of the police that are so essential to the cities they govern.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Why don't police departments look like the communities that they serve? I thnk it gives a perception of "us vs them" instead of the community looking after itself. If you're trying to rebuild damaged trust relations, I think this is a good place to start.


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Why don't educators look like the communities they serve? Why don't hospitals look like the communities they serve? Why doesn't the NBA look like the cities their teams are in? You can't force people to take a job they aren't interested in and not everybody is qualified.

Nobody said anything about forcing people to take a job they aren't interested in.

They are, however, trying to lessen this gap and they acknowledge that it's important to do so. They reference cultural and financial barriers.

After federal intervention, Metro’s diversity still lags Las Vegas

Over the past 25 years, Las Vegas’ population has flipped from three-fourths white to one primarily made up of minorities. The city’s police force hasn’t ...

lasvegassun.com

 

[yidnar]

Why would he run the plates? Did the guy do something wrong? How did he know who was in the car?

If there are no active calls they'll run plates at random. Sometimes they'll do it if the driver is driving suspiciously.

"driving suspiciously"???
what does that even mean???

thats a reason right there to not trust cops,,,

Timothy McVeigh was caught because a sharp eyed trooper noticed he was driving suspiciously .

Ignoramus

He stopped him because the car he was driving didn't have a license. Interesting enough, even though he was doing something illegal he told the officer he had a loaded handgun and didn't get killed unlike Philandro Castillo who had done nothing wrong.

For some strange reason the racist white propagandists in the media minimize the officer's name from the HYPED news.

Jeronimo Yanez is the name.

Guess why that name isn't repeated over and over and over and over again.

You know what? Don't. Please go tell some Africans how bad it is for you in America.

Thousands protest after Philando Castile shooting verdict; 18 arrested

Leave it to one of you mentally enslaved to not get the point.

Have you prepared your escape to Cuba from this land of tyranny? Let us know how things work out.

I'm not going anywhere. You work to change what is wrong with where you are.

ok .....black men need to raise there own kids and quit idolizing ignorant so called gangster rappers and start encouraging positive things like reading writing and math .. .....welp i've done my part in relaying this valuable info ...

 

[Andylusion]

This is why the people of Singapore are not oppressed. They are freer than people here in the US.

That is absolutely NOT true. My mother is from Singapore and while they are a fairly economically free state they have very authoritarian laws. For instance, you can be jailed for publicly criticizing the government.

Yeah, I know that. And they are still free, aren't they? They are not oppressed. They are not sent to gulags. They can walk the city in safety and security.

It's not like going to Iran, or North Korea, where the police will randomly accuse you of being a spy, and send you to prison for decades.

Nor are they shooting people for trying to leave.

Nor do people even want to leave Singapore. I know people who have moved there. I've talked to people who live there.

Yes, your mother is right, you can't criticize the government.

Is that it? That's all the "oppression" you have? I'll take that. Honestly, I'll take it.

Look at our government right now. Look how insane it is. Look at the stupidity and idiotic crap that is going on. We have governors that are refusing to stop looting and rioting, and chaos in the streets FOR POLITICAL GAIN. That is why they are doing that.

Compare that to Singapore. That's a good trade off. Honestly it is.

Dallas rioters hurl ROCKS at 'man who tried to defend store'

WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT: The victim was stable, police said, after the man was seen slumped over in the street with blood pouring from gashes on his head in the Victory Park, Dallas.

www.dailymail.co.uk

But at least that business owner beaten, and nearly killed, can say "Government sucks"....

Really? He's not oppressed, but the people in Singapore that can walk the streets 24/hours a day, in complete safety and security, are the oppressed ones?

 

[toomuchtime_]

We were supposed to have dinner at my brother's house yesterday, but he called me up when he got home from his shift and cancelled. He wanted to just chill after the shift he worked yesterday. He patrols a higher crime neighborhood, which is mostly blacks, and he said the past couple of weeks have gotten really bad. People aren't respectful at all. They're rude and belligerent towards him. He's been called names, taunted, it's been constant chaos. He stopped a car yesterday because the guy came up with a warrant in the system. Immediately, when he had the guy step out of his car he started screaming something about George Floyd and then became nasty and resistant. My brother and his partner, who arrived shortly after, had to tackle the guy to the ground in order to get him restrained. While this was going on he said a dozen or so blacks came running up on them, whipping out their phones recording, calling them names, taunting them. He said it was super nerve racking because in the middle of the skirmish he had no idea if any of these other people, who had no business being up that close to them, were going to run up and attack them from behind. He said it was like being in the middle of a zoo. He is starting to consider leaving the department at this point because it's become incredibly dangerous for them.

And my brother is Asian and the officer who responded to back him up is Hispanic, so this wasn't even a white cop thing; it's just an anyone in uniform thing. We're told we should be judging people by their character and not their skin color, but apparently these same people think it's fine to judge anyone in a uniform as evil.

Good for him, doing his job even in this poisonous atmosphere while the politicians surrender to every demand made by the mobs.

 

[Andylusion]

I would suggest that your brother is getting a taste of what black people go through every day.

Black people do NOT go through this everyday. Their biggest problem blacks have in this country is themselves and their decayed subculture

Dead on right. Dead on right!

 

[francoHFW]

We were supposed to have dinner at my brother's house yesterday, but he called me up when he got home from his shift and cancelled. He wanted to just chill after the shift he worked yesterday. He patrols a higher crime neighborhood, which is mostly blacks, and he said the past couple of weeks have gotten really bad. People aren't respectful at all. They're rude and belligerent towards him. He's been called names, taunted, it's been constant chaos. He stopped a car yesterday because the guy came up with a warrant in the system. Immediately, when he had the guy step out of his car he started screaming something about George Floyd and then became nasty and resistant. My brother and his partner, who arrived shortly after, had to tackle the guy to the ground in order to get him restrained. While this was going on he said a dozen or so blacks came running up on them, whipping out their phones recording, calling them names, taunting them. He said it was super nerve racking because in the middle of the skirmish he had no idea if any of these other people, who had no business being up that close to them, were going to run up and attack them from behind. He said it was like being in the middle of a zoo. He is starting to consider leaving the department at this point because it's become incredibly dangerous for them.

And my brother is Asian and the officer who responded to back him up is Hispanic, so this wasn't even a white cop thing; it's just an anyone in uniform thing. We're told we should be judging people by their character and not their skin color, but apparently these same people think it's fine to judge anyone in a uniform as evil.

just the kind of thing that happens when our president is a hateful divider in Chief.the police need to be reformed badly. All the things that are wrong in our society and they are supposed to fix them. We should have social workers etc etc going out with the police on at least 50% of these calls. Only 5% of calls are about violence. no sacrifice is too great so then we can save the rich from paying their fair share and investing in America again this is absolutely ridiculous. Thanks GOP. So many Americans do not have dignity. Why are we the only modern country without a living wage health Care daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations? Thanks to you. And Trump is the worst of all. Your propaganda in chief. What a fool