CDZ My gun control plan that will stop 95-99% of gun crime and murder in the U.S.

[2aguy]

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Prison time has never been a deterrence to crime. Many states have the death penalty but that hasn't stopped murder.

Wrong....criminals respond to penalties, which is why when you arrest them for felony gun possession, then bond them out, then, when you convict them and give them less than 3 years, they go out and shoot people.....

Long prison sentences will end this....we don't have them now..too many gun criminals get a revolving door for gun crime.

The Japanese had this problem with their Yakuza....they were using fully automatic weapons and grenades as short a time ago as 2013.....they changed their sentencing laws....life for gun crime, 10 years for simple possession, 15 with bullets or more than one gun......the Yakuza stopped using guns......

Not sure we want to use Japan as a model. They have some of the strictest gun regulations you are going to find.

Yes....and I have mentioned that. Their gun control did not stop actual criminals from using fully automatic military weapons and grenades...... You could get rid of all of the rest of their gun control laws, since Japanese people are conformist and law abiding, and all you would need are their sentencing laws for gun crime. Everything else they do is pointless and unnecessary. How is it that the Yakuza used fully automatic military weapons and grenades with all of their gun control laws?

 

[CHAZBUKOWSKI]

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Prison time has never been a deterrence to crime. Many states have the death penalty but that hasn't stopped murder.

Wrong....criminals respond to penalties, which is why when you arrest them for felony gun possession, then bond them out, then, when you convict them and give them less than 3 years, they go out and shoot people.....

Long prison sentences will end this....we don't have them now..too many gun criminals get a revolving door for gun crime.

The Japanese had this problem with their Yakuza....they were using fully automatic weapons and grenades as short a time ago as 2013.....they changed their sentencing laws....life for gun crime, 10 years for simple possession, 15 with bullets or more than one gun......the Yakuza stopped using guns......

Not sure we want to use Japan as a model. They have some of the strictest gun regulations you are going to find.

Yes....and I have mentioned that. Their gun control did not stop actual criminals from using fully automatic military weapons and grenades...... You could get rid of all of the rest of their gun control laws, since Japanese people are conformist and law abiding, and all you would need are their sentencing laws for gun crime. Everything else they do is pointless and unnecessary. How is it that the Yakuza used fully automatic military weapons and grenades with all of their gun control laws?

Are you saying their gun control does not stop the gun violence, but the increased penalty does? This would be disputed by the simple fact that prior to 2013, Japan's gun violence rate was still a fraction of the U.S. Point being, using Japan to bolster your suggested solution is just as much a talking point for increased gun control regulation (which I assume neither you nor I want) as it is for increased penalties. It also does not compute that, due to the conformist and law abiding nature of the people, you could get rid of all their regulations and maintain the sentencing laws. Japanese commit crimes, at a level that may surprise you. They do not commit gun crimes due to a myriad of reasons, such as harsh penalties, but which also include gun control and regulation.

For a reference point: I lived in Japan for years so am well aware of their culture.

 

[2aguy]

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Prison time has never been a deterrence to crime. Many states have the death penalty but that hasn't stopped murder.

Wrong....criminals respond to penalties, which is why when you arrest them for felony gun possession, then bond them out, then, when you convict them and give them less than 3 years, they go out and shoot people.....

Long prison sentences will end this....we don't have them now..too many gun criminals get a revolving door for gun crime.

The Japanese had this problem with their Yakuza....they were using fully automatic weapons and grenades as short a time ago as 2013.....they changed their sentencing laws....life for gun crime, 10 years for simple possession, 15 with bullets or more than one gun......the Yakuza stopped using guns......

Not sure we want to use Japan as a model. They have some of the strictest gun regulations you are going to find.

Yes....and I have mentioned that. Their gun control did not stop actual criminals from using fully automatic military weapons and grenades...... You could get rid of all of the rest of their gun control laws, since Japanese people are conformist and law abiding, and all you would need are their sentencing laws for gun crime. Everything else they do is pointless and unnecessary. How is it that the Yakuza used fully automatic military weapons and grenades with all of their gun control laws?

Are you saying their gun control does not stop the gun violence, but the increased penalty does? This would be disputed by the simple fact that prior to 2013, Japan's gun violence rate was still a fraction of the U.S. Point being, using Japan to bolster your suggested solution is just as much a talking point for increased gun control regulation (which I assume neither you nor I want) as it is for increased penalties. It also does not compute that, due to the conformist and law abiding nature of the people, you could get rid of all their regulations and maintain the sentencing laws. Japanese commit crimes, at a level that may surprise you. They do not commit gun crimes due to a myriad of reasons, such as harsh penalties, but which also include gun control and regulation.

For a reference point: I lived in Japan for years so am well aware of their culture.

Japan has low crime rates in every category because of their culture...and because of the power their police and judicial system uses against their people.....

Again....the last Yakuza gang war was in 2006, and lasted for 7 years..... they used fully automatic military weapons and grenades...

And yes....if you got rid of all of their gun control regulations, they would still have low crime rates with guns because of their over all culture, and the culture of their criminals.

How did their gun control regulations stop the Yakuza from getting already illegal military weapons and grenades?

We don't have a problem with normal people who own guns for sport, competition and self defense.....our problem comes from a tiny minority of criminals, in very tiny locations killing each other.....who already ignore all of our gun control laws. If we adopted long prison sentences...which we do not have right now even with repeat gun offenders...our gun crime rate would drop by about 95%......

The Great Japanese Gang Wars



The season for pineapples (yakuza slang for hand grenades) may finally be over. Jake Adelstein and Nathalie-Kyoko Stucky on the bloody, seven-year battle between the Dojin-kai and the Seido-kai.



In Southern Japan, the brutal pineapple season may finally be over; pineapple is yakuza slang for “hand grenade”—one of the many weapons utilized in a seven-year gang war between the Dojin-kai (1,000 members) and the splinter group the Kyushu Seido-kei (500 members).

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The Gangs That Couldn’t Shoot Straight
The Dojin-kai and the Seido-kai are Kyushu-based yakuza gangs, once part of the same faction founded in 1971 in Kurume, Fukuoka Prefecture, by Isoji Koga. When the second generation Dojin-kai boss Seijiro Matsuo retired in May 2006, there was a fight over succession, and the group split into two factions, sparking a bloody gang war—where escalation seemed a matter of course.

It started with shootings and bombs being thrown, and before it ended, the two gangs were lobbing grenades and Molotov cocktails, shooting machine guns, and sometimes attacking their own men.
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In May, a 9-year-old child found a hand grenade in a rice field in Iizuka, Fukuoka Prefecture, and took it home, to the astonishment of his father, who handed it over to the local police. According to the police, there were no yakuza headquarters where the grenade was found.

The numbers of grenades used and seized in the war became so problematic that by April 2012, the Fukuoka Prefecture Police became the first in Japan to offer cash rewards to anyone who reported finding a hand grenade.

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http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-gun-control-laws-strict-yakuza-turn-toy-pistols/



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

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A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

 

[2aguy]

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

Prison time has never been a deterrence to crime. Many states have the death penalty but that hasn't stopped murder.

Wrong....criminals respond to penalties, which is why when you arrest them for felony gun possession, then bond them out, then, when you convict them and give them less than 3 years, they go out and shoot people.....

Long prison sentences will end this....we don't have them now..too many gun criminals get a revolving door for gun crime.

The Japanese had this problem with their Yakuza....they were using fully automatic weapons and grenades as short a time ago as 2013.....they changed their sentencing laws....life for gun crime, 10 years for simple possession, 15 with bullets or more than one gun......the Yakuza stopped using guns......

Not sure we want to use Japan as a model. They have some of the strictest gun regulations you are going to find.

Yes....and I have mentioned that. Their gun control did not stop actual criminals from using fully automatic military weapons and grenades...... You could get rid of all of the rest of their gun control laws, since Japanese people are conformist and law abiding, and all you would need are their sentencing laws for gun crime. Everything else they do is pointless and unnecessary. How is it that the Yakuza used fully automatic military weapons and grenades with all of their gun control laws?

Are you saying their gun control does not stop the gun violence, but the increased penalty does? This would be disputed by the simple fact that prior to 2013, Japan's gun violence rate was still a fraction of the U.S. Point being, using Japan to bolster your suggested solution is just as much a talking point for increased gun control regulation (which I assume neither you nor I want) as it is for increased penalties. It also does not compute that, due to the conformist and law abiding nature of the people, you could get rid of all their regulations and maintain the sentencing laws. Japanese commit crimes, at a level that may surprise you. They do not commit gun crimes due to a myriad of reasons, such as harsh penalties, but which also include gun control and regulation.

For a reference point: I lived in Japan for years so am well aware of their culture.

Keep in mind....... as more Americans own and carry guns...over the last 26 years....our gun murder rate went down, not up.....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[JoeB131]

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

We already lock up 2 million people and have 7 million more on probation or parole... We don't have enough prison guards or parole officers to handle the ones in a bloated system now.

I know that you need to turn the attention away from anything but guns... but the problem is the guns.

 

[harmonica]

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

you are brilliant......and how do we stop cancer??? please tell us O great one !!!
......murder has life sentences but we have one of the highest murder rates in developed countries...there, your theory becomes crap instantly

 

[Blues Man]

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

We already lock up 2 million people and have 7 million more on probation or parole... We don't have enough prison guards or parole officers to handle the ones in a bloated system now.

I know that you need to turn the attention away from anything but guns... but the problem is the guns.

76% of all people in prisons right now have not been convicted of anything but are awaiting trial

Some simple changes to arraignment and bail policies and procedures would remedy that the drastically decrease the prison population

As for people who have been convicted of crimes and are serving time, mos of those are for nonviolent offenses and for a very large percentage of those some sort of alternate sentencing could be implemented

 

[2aguy]

I support a life sentence on any criminal who uses a gun for an actual gun crime..... and 30 years if a criminal is caught in possession of a gun, even if they are not using it at that moment for crime.

This will dry up gun crime over night. Criminals will stop using guns for robberies, rapes and murders.....and those who do will be gone forever......

Criminals will also stop walking around with guns in their pants......which is the leading cause of random gang shootings in our cities. if they are stopped by police, with a gun in their pants, they are gone for 30 years...they will stop carrying those guns, and random gang violence will end.

You implement this with two other things...

1) No More Bargaining Away the Gun Charge.........it must be against the law to bargain away a gun charge as part of a plea deal....this stops.

2) When a criminal is arrested for any crime, and booked in...they will be read the announcement that any use of a crime is a life sentence without parole, owning or carrying a gun as a felon is a 30 year sentence without parole....when they are released from custody...the same will be read to them again....when they meet their parole officer it will be read to them again.....the U.S. government will also buy and send out Public announcements on this policy on t.v. radio. and cable......

That is how you stop gun crime over night.

Mass shooters are different..... but with only 93 people killed in mass public shootings in 2018, they are not the major problem in gun crime.

The value in my plan......it actually targets the individuals actually using guns to commit crimes and murder people....

It does not require new background check laws, it does not require gun licensing, licensing gun owners, gun registration, new taxes, fees or regulations on guns...

By making gun crime a life sentence, criminals will stop using guns for crime and will stop carrying guns around for protection.....

Also....a nurse, with a legal gun, driving from Pennsylvania, to New Jersey, will not be considered a gun criminal.....that will end. Criminals with a record of crime, caught with a gun will get 30 years, no deals.....and criminals who use guns for actual crime...robbing the local store, rape, robbery, murder.....life without parole...

This, of course, eliminates the need for more gun control laws...we can already do this.....

you are brilliant......and how do we stop cancer??? please tell us O great one !!!
......murder has life sentences but we have one of the highest murder rates in developed countries...there, your theory becomes crap instantly

Actually, murder doesn't always have a life sentence, and with a murder clearance rate of 30% in our major cities, it is often a crime that goes unpunished....especially in the neighborhoods where almost all of our gun crime takes place. We are talking about changing which tool criminals use.....and we have an actual example from Japan, where they used prison sentences to change the behavior of their criminals....from using actual, fully automatic military weapons and grenades, to not using guns except for the smallest number of crimes........

In Japan, you get a life sentence if you use a gun for a crime.....with an over 95% conviction rate...vs our 30% conviction rate...... 10 years for mere possession, which goes up if you have bullets, and it goes up to 15 for multiple guns......

How has this worked in Japan?

They went from this...in 2006..

The Great Japanese Gang Wars



The season for pineapples (yakuza slang for hand grenades) may finally be over. Jake Adelstein and Nathalie-Kyoko Stucky on the bloody, seven-year battle between the Dojin-kai and the Seido-kai.



In Southern Japan, the brutal pineapple season may finally be over; pineapple is yakuza slang for “hand grenade”—one of the many weapons utilized in a seven-year gang war between the Dojin-kai (1,000 members) and the splinter group the Kyushu Seido-kei (500 members).

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The Gangs That Couldn’t Shoot Straight
The Dojin-kai and the Seido-kai are Kyushu-based yakuza gangs, once part of the same faction founded in 1971 in Kurume, Fukuoka Prefecture, by Isoji Koga. When the second generation Dojin-kai boss Seijiro Matsuo retired in May 2006, there was a fight over succession, and the group split into two factions, sparking a bloody gang war—where escalation seemed a matter of course. It started with shootings and bombs being thrown, and before it ended, the two gangs were lobbing grenades and Molotov cocktails, shooting machine guns, and sometimes attacking their own men.
-----
In May, a 9-year-old child found a hand grenade in a rice field in Iizuka, Fukuoka Prefecture, and took it home, to the astonishment of his father, who handed it over to the local police. According to the police, there were no yakuza headquarters where the grenade was found.

The numbers of grenades used and seized in the war became so problematic that by April 2012, the Fukuoka Prefecture Police became the first in Japan to offer cash rewards to anyone who reported finding a hand grenade.

To this....

http://www.atimes.com/article/japans-gun-control-laws-strict-yakuza-turn-toy-pistols/



Ryo Fujiwara, long-time writer on yakuza affairs and author of the book, The Three Yamaguchi-Gumi, says that the punishment for using a gun in a gang war or in a crime is now so heavy that most yakuza avoid their use at all – unless it is for an assassination.

“In a hit, whoever fires the gun, or is made to take responsibility for firing the gun, has to pretty much be willing to go to jail for the rest of their life. That’s a big decision. The repercussions are big, too. No one wants to claim responsibility for such acts – the gang office might actually get shut-down.”

The gang typically also has to support the family of the hit-man while he is in prison, which is also a financial burden for the organization.

Japan’s Firearms and Swords Control Laws make it a crime to illegally possess a gun, with a punishment of jail time of up to 10 years.

Illegal possession more than one gun, the penalty goes up to 15 years in prison. If you own a gun and matching ammunition, that’s another charge and a heavier penalty. The most severe penalty is for the act of discharging a gun in a train, on a bus, or most public spaces, which can result in a life sentence.

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A low-ranking member of the Kobe-Yamaguchi-gumi put it this way: “All of the smart guys got rid of their guns a long-time ago. The penalties are way too high. You get life in prison if you just fire a gun. That’s not fun.”

 

[M14 Shooter]

......murder has life sentences but we have one of the highest murder rates in developed countries...there, your theory becomes crap instantly

Why do you oppose harsh sentences for people who use guns to commit crime?

 

[progressive hunter]

......murder has life sentences but we have one of the highest murder rates in developed countries...there, your theory becomes crap instantly

Why do you oppose harsh sentences for people who use guns to commit crime?

we already have harsher laws when you use a weapon,,,

whether its a gun or baseball bat is irrelevant,,,
all your doing by only focusing on guns is agreeing with the gun grabbers that its the gun and not the person thats the problem

 

[2aguy]

......murder has life sentences but we have one of the highest murder rates in developed countries...there, your theory becomes crap instantly

Why do you oppose harsh sentences for people who use guns to commit crime?

we already have harsher laws when you use a weapon,,,

whether its a gun or baseball bat is irrelevant,,,
all your doing by only focusing on guns is agreeing with the gun grabbers that its the gun and not the person thats the problem

And the gun charge is the first thing prosecutors bargain away..... this would stop that.

 

[progressive hunter]

......murder has life sentences but we have one of the highest murder rates in developed countries...there, your theory becomes crap instantly

Why do you oppose harsh sentences for people who use guns to commit crime?

we already have harsher laws when you use a weapon,,,

whether its a gun or baseball bat is irrelevant,,,
all your doing by only focusing on guns is agreeing with the gun grabbers that its the gun and not the person thats the problem

And the gun charge is the first thing prosecutors bargain away..... this would stop that.

then deal with them and not make more gun laws,,

 

[M14 Shooter]

......murder has life sentences but we have one of the highest murder rates in developed countries...there, your theory becomes crap instantly

Why do you oppose harsh sentences for people who use guns to commit crime?

we already have harsher laws when you use a weapon,,,
whether its a gun or baseball bat is irrelevant,,,
all your doing by only focusing on guns is agreeing with the gun grabbers that its the gun and not the person thats the problem

There isn't any reason the harsher penalties have to be limited to guns.

 

[progressive hunter]

......murder has life sentences but we have one of the highest murder rates in developed countries...there, your theory becomes crap instantly

Why do you oppose harsh sentences for people who use guns to commit crime?

we already have harsher laws when you use a weapon,,,
whether its a gun or baseball bat is irrelevant,,,
all your doing by only focusing on guns is agreeing with the gun grabbers that its the gun and not the person thats the problem

There isn't any reason the harsher penalties have to be limited to guns.

the laws we have arent limited to guns,,,
the crime is the action not what they used,,,and when a weapon is used its a harsher crime,,,

 

[2aguy]

......murder has life sentences but we have one of the highest murder rates in developed countries...there, your theory becomes crap instantly

Why do you oppose harsh sentences for people who use guns to commit crime?

we already have harsher laws when you use a weapon,,,

whether its a gun or baseball bat is irrelevant,,,
all your doing by only focusing on guns is agreeing with the gun grabbers that its the gun and not the person thats the problem

And the gun charge is the first thing prosecutors bargain away..... this would stop that.

then deal with them and not make more gun laws,,

Not a new law....just increasing sentences.....please, try to understand the concept.

 

[progressive hunter]

......murder has life sentences but we have one of the highest murder rates in developed countries...there, your theory becomes crap instantly

Why do you oppose harsh sentences for people who use guns to commit crime?

we already have harsher laws when you use a weapon,,,

whether its a gun or baseball bat is irrelevant,,,
all your doing by only focusing on guns is agreeing with the gun grabbers that its the gun and not the person thats the problem

And the gun charge is the first thing prosecutors bargain away..... this would stop that.

then deal with them and not make more gun laws,,

Not a new law....just increasing sentences.....please, try to understand the concept.

you have to make a new law for a specific weapon used to get a harsher sentence

 

[M14 Shooter]

......murder has life sentences but we have one of the highest murder rates in developed countries...there, your theory becomes crap instantly

Why do you oppose harsh sentences for people who use guns to commit crime?

we already have harsher laws when you use a weapon,,,
whether its a gun or baseball bat is irrelevant,,,
all your doing by only focusing on guns is agreeing with the gun grabbers that its the gun and not the person thats the problem

There isn't any reason the harsher penalties have to be limited to guns.

the laws we have arent limited to guns,,,
the crime is the action not what they used,,,and when a weapon is used its a harsher crime,,,

Right. the point is the increased penalties he seeks can be applied to all weapons, not just guns.
Would you oppose this?

 

[2aguy]

......murder has life sentences but we have one of the highest murder rates in developed countries...there, your theory becomes crap instantly

Why do you oppose harsh sentences for people who use guns to commit crime?

we already have harsher laws when you use a weapon,,,
whether its a gun or baseball bat is irrelevant,,,
all your doing by only focusing on guns is agreeing with the gun grabbers that its the gun and not the person thats the problem

There isn't any reason the harsher penalties have to be limited to guns.

the laws we have arent limited to guns,,,
the crime is the action not what they used,,,and when a weapon is used its a harsher crime,,,

Right. the point is the increased penalties he seeks can be applied to all weapons, not just guns.
Would you oppose this?

The only thing....if you get a life sentence for using either a knife or a gun, there is no reason, at that point, to use the knife instead of the gun.......

 

[progressive hunter]

......murder has life sentences but we have one of the highest murder rates in developed countries...there, your theory becomes crap instantly

Why do you oppose harsh sentences for people who use guns to commit crime?

we already have harsher laws when you use a weapon,,,
whether its a gun or baseball bat is irrelevant,,,
all your doing by only focusing on guns is agreeing with the gun grabbers that its the gun and not the person thats the problem

There isn't any reason the harsher penalties have to be limited to guns.

the laws we have arent limited to guns,,,
the crime is the action not what they used,,,and when a weapon is used its a harsher crime,,,

Right. the point is the increased penalties he seeks can be applied to all weapons, not just guns.
Would you oppose this?

we already have that,,

 

[progressive hunter]

Why do you oppose harsh sentences for people who use guns to commit crime?

we already have harsher laws when you use a weapon,,,
whether its a gun or baseball bat is irrelevant,,,
all your doing by only focusing on guns is agreeing with the gun grabbers that its the gun and not the person thats the problem

There isn't any reason the harsher penalties have to be limited to guns.

the laws we have arent limited to guns,,,
the crime is the action not what they used,,,and when a weapon is used its a harsher crime,,,

Right. the point is the increased penalties he seeks can be applied to all weapons, not just guns.
Would you oppose this?

The only thing....if you get a life sentence for using either a knife or a gun, there is no reason, at that point, to use the knife instead of the gun.......

unlesss you dont have a gun