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It depends on the point of view. From their point of view it was Ukraine who attacked Russia's allies - DPR and LPR, recognized by Russia as independent states.How can it be "self defense" when they're attacking a foreign country?
Sure he did. The recognition of DPR and LPR was the last formal chance to prevent the war. And, from their point of view, NATO is an aggressive and unjustful military organisation, and it's expansion is just another Drung nach Osten, like Hitler's, Napoleon's and other northern Crusades.Also, Putin didn't bring up "self defense", he brought up lots of things, God, NATO and the like... but not self defense.
It depends on the point of view. From their point of view it was Ukraine who attacked Russia's allies - DPR and LPR, recognized by Russia as independent states.
Sure he did. The recognition of DPR and LPR was the last formal chance to prevent the war. And, from their point of view, NATO is an aggressive and unjustful military organisation, and it's expansion is just another Drung nach Osten, like Hitler's, Napoleon's and other northern Crusades.
Actually, it wasn't BS. The referendums were more or less fair.Er... even from their point of view, they went into the Ukraine, then declared them independent in bullshit "referenda".
Of course it was. Support of anti-Russian Chechen terrorists since 1992, aggression against Russian brothers - Serbs (especially in 1999), support of the Georgian unprovoked attack against Russian peacekeepers and Russian citizens in South Ossetia (in 2008), support of Neo-Nazi regimes in Baltic states, etc... It was quite unfriendly and they did nothing to prove their usefulness for Russia.They know what they're doing, they try and justify it, but they know they're just doing it as an excuse and it's not something real.
NATO might be aggressive, or more like the US using NATO is aggressive, but it hasn't been aggressive towards the Russians.
Actually, he doesn't need any "exuse". Clinton, Obama and Biden successfully ruined American reputation in the world.Putin is just fucking around creating excuses to be a dick and take over everyone's country.
So NATO has done lots of things like "support" the Georgians defending their own country???Actually, it wasn't BS. The referendums were more or less fair.
Of course it was. Support of anti-Russian Chechen terrorists since 1992, aggression against Russian brothers - Serbs (especially in 1999), support of the Georgian unprovoked attack against Russian peacekeepers and Russian citizens in South Ossetia (in 2008), support of Neo-Nazi regimes in Baltic states, etc... It was quite unfriendly and they did nothing to prove their usefulness for Russia.
Actually, he doesn't need any "exuse". Clinton, Obama and Biden successfully ruined American reputation in the world.
Not enough to defend Georgia, but pretty enough to demonstrate hostility to Russia.So NATO has done lots of things like "support" the Georgians defending their own country???
I mean that the ethic Russians in Baltic States doesn't have any civil rights or even citizenship and it's only the question of time and incompetence when the situation will explode."Neo-Nazi regimes in the Baltic states"... I mean, what the fuck are you talking about?
It is exactly these kinds of lies Putin has been telling the Russian people for decades that has brought Russia to this sorry state and will prevent it from recovering for the foreseeable future.Not enough to defend Georgia, but pretty enough to demonstrate hostility to Russia.
I mean that the ethic Russians in Baltic States doesn't have any civil rights or even citizenship and it's only the question of time and incompetence when the situation will explode.
Clinton-Obama-Biden team was incompetent enough to disbalace the situation in Balcans and Ukraine, and I have no doubts that the Baltic states are next (if Biden or another corrupted and incompetent democratic freak elected in 2024).
What exactly is a lie? That the most of ethnic Russians don't have citizenship in Baltic States? Or that all sides see this situation as unsatisfactory and temporary? The Baltic Neo-Nazies wait for NATO and EU permission and support to kill or expell all local Russians, the Baltic 'adequates' wait for EU permission to give them all them normal citizenship and equal rights, and the local Russians wait for equal rights from EU or defence from the Russian Federation.It is exactly these kinds of lies Putin has been telling the Russian people for decades that has brought Russia to this sorry state and will prevent it from recovering for the foreseeable future.
Yes, that is exactly the lie, the same lie Russia used as a pretext for its invasion of Georgia and Ukraine. There are ethnic Russians living all over Europe and the US and elsewhere and the one thing they all have in common is that they don't want to be governed by Putin's Russia. You are just an echo of Hitler's excuses for invading other countries. Putin is not invading these countries to protect ethnic Russians, he is using ethnic Russians as an excuse for invading these countries.What exactly is a lie? That the most of ethnic Russians don't have citizenship in Baltic States? Or that all sides see this situation as unsatisfactory and temporary? The Baltic Neo-Nazies wait for NATO and EU permission and support to kill or expell all local Russians, the Baltic 'adequates' wait for EU permission to give them all them normal citizenship and equal rights, and the local Russians wait for equal rights from EU or defence from the Russian Federation.
Do you want to say, that the local Russians in Baltic states are citizens of those states?Yes, that is exactly the lie, the same lie Russia used as a pretext for its invasion of Georgia and Ukraine. There are ethnic Russians living all over Europe and the US and elsewhere and the one thing they all have in common is that they don't want to be governed by Putin's Russia. You are just an echo of Hitler's excuses for invading other countries. Putin is not invading these countries to protect ethnic Russians, he is using ethnic Russians as an excuse for invading these countries.
Not enough to defend Georgia, but pretty enough to demonstrate hostility to Russia.
I mean that the ethic Russians in Baltic States doesn't have any civil rights or even citizenship and it's only the question of time and incompetence when the situation will explode.
Clinton-Obama-Biden team was incompetent enough to disbalace the situation in Balcans and Ukraine, and I have no doubts that the Baltic states are next (if Biden or another corrupted and incompetent democratic freak elected in 2024).
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The truth is they are not discriminated against because they are ethnic Russians. This is part of the body of lies Putin uses to generate hate towards countries he wants to capture, and in this way he turns Russians into true orcs, motivated by nothing but hate and a desire to kill and destroy.Do you want to say, that the local Russians in Baltic states are citizens of those states?
Right now situation is more or less balanced.
Between "being slightly discriminated" and "fighting a war" they (right now) prefer first. But between "be genocided" and "fighting a war" they will definitely prefer latter.
The choice between "being significantly discriminated" and "fighting a war" is more complicaded and mostly depends on their understanding of possible wins and losses.
Russia dismissed Warsaw Pact and the USSR, for starters and allowed the USA to increase their influence in Middle East.And why wouldn't NATO demonstrate hostility towards Russia, it's the whole point of NATO in the first place.
And what has Russia done to dispel that hostility? NOTHING.
Actually, those numbers are lie.Putin has made it pretty clear that any country that was part of the USSR is his for doing with as he chooses.
Within the Baltic States there are ethnic Russians who don't have citizenship.
There are an estimated 900,000 ethnic Russians in the Baltic States, and 300,000 of them don't have citizenship.
Really? Do you really believe, that permission to work in "poor Russia" can overweight the advantages of a normal citizenship?“Non-Citizens” of the Baltics: Common Misconceptions explained
In the following piece I will focus on four common misconceptions about non-citizens in the Baltics.
"To this day, there are approximately 300,000 non-citizens in the Baltics, in Estonia and Latvia. "
Why? If 2/3rds managed to gain citizenship, why not the other 1/3rd?
Wikiwand - Russians in the Baltic states
Russians in the Baltic states is a broadly defined subgroup of the Russian diaspora who self-identify as ethnic Russians, or are citizens of Russia, and live in one of the three independent countries — Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania — primarily the consequences of the USSR's forced population...
"or many, an important reason not to apply for citizenship is the fact that Russia gives non-citizens preferential treatment: they are free to work[citation needed] or visit relatives in Russia. The citizens of the Baltic states must apply for visas."
Oh, yeah. Non-citizens in their own countries. That what they call discrimination and abusing.As for their supposed lack of civil rights, if they don't have citizenship, then they're non-citizens and get the same civil rights as any other non-EU citizen in an EU country.
Putin invaded the place only because Obama destabilized it. The house divided cannot stand, and Obama made everything to divide it.You think Obama destablized the situation in the Ukraine? Er... Putin invaded the place.
Russia dismissed Warsaw Pact and the USSR, for starters and allowed the USA to increase their influence in Middle East.
Actually, those numbers are lie.
Really? Do you really believe, that permission to work in "poor Russia" can overweight the advantages of a normal citizenship?
Oh, yeah. Non-citizens in their own countries. That what they call discrimination and abusing.
Putin invaded the place only because Obama destabilized it. The house divided cannot stand, and Obama made everything to divide it.
It's not a crap. I just said, that there is no reliable open information about ethnic Russians in Baltic states. Unofficially, in some places, for instance, Narva, hardly 5% of population are citizens. If you think, that it's not a fuel for rebellion - think one more time.If you're going to tell me my numbers are a lie, you're going to have to come up with your own numbers. I'm not debating with someone who simply says "your source is a lie" and then says nothing else. It's crap.
